Another reason is the switch from floppies to CDs. We could re-use floppies, so the advertising stuck around. But the CDs (despite all the jokes) all go in the trash.
The answer? AOL should switch to CD-RWs, or even multi-session CD-Rs.
Another way of describing this: Make the 'gun sign' with your favorite hand. Pick up a rubber band with the other hand, hook one end over the tip of your gun hand, stretch the rubber around behind the thumb, then grasp it with one of the lower three fingers *of the gun hand*. This is a one-handed gun, the other hand is not involved in shooting.
You can also go the other way - hold one end of the rubber in one of the three fingers of your gun hand, then stretch it around behind the thumb, and hook it over your index finger.
Note that your gun hand has *three* spare fingers - you can load three rubber bands into this gun!
You make a harmless show gun. Instead of hooking the rubber *on* your index finger, pull it a little farther, and hook it *over* the finger so that it rests against the web between the index and middle fingers. When you shoot the rubber won't launch, instead it will spin harmlessly around your index finger a few times. Fun to watch.
Unfortunately, this is not a particularly *good* gun. Unless you have large hands, the rubber is not stretched to its full length, so it doesn't go very far. It also doesn't go straight either.
If you can't figure out what to do with the money, then why are you collecting it?? I swear, you liberals are just nuts.. Let the students keep THEIR money, and spend it truly useful things, like tuition and books.
Just like gambling.. In the end, Entropia gets ALL the money. Well, most of it.. you might sell some stuff, but in the end you'll still be behind. The House always wins!
Now when you install my software, it will disable all your I/O -- ethernet, serial, CD, as well as every other piece of software on the system. If you want to re-enable these, go ahead, but that's an unsupported configuration and will void the warranty.
What the hell, I'll join the fray. You're spreading a huge amount of lies and FUD, and doing it VERY LOUDLY. Unfortunately, volume doesn't make up for sense.
First off, you need to study your own subject line: OOM Killer. OOM means out of memory. It does not mean low memory; it does not mean "maybe the admin can link in some more swap;" and it does not mean "move pages into a protected buffer." It means out of memory: there is no memory left. Anywhere.
You say:
If your process was allowed to exist in the first place, it should not be killed by the VM system.
then you say:
So we know before a process gets to execute exactly what its memory usage profile is?
Make up your mind dude -- which side are you on? Hint: Your second statement is correct, sarcastic as it was. We can't know the true memory behavior of a process ahead of time, so we can't block processes that are going to become too large.
Next you say:
The worst that should happen is that it gets suspended with all of its pages taken away.
Those pages contain data, they cannot be taken away. The must be moved somewhere.. got any ideas?
... a secondary (actually tertiary) swap area that exists only for this purpose.
Ah, your fingers are moving, but you don't understand the words. This is still swap space; the label is meaningless. And if we have swap available, then we're not out of memory, are we? This is a low memory condition, and is irrelevant to this discussion.
Okay, so how about:
... a special pool of memory that's only available for use by those essential system processes - either individually or collectively.
Once again, you use the term without understanding it. This is called memory (as you said,) and if there's some left, then we're not out of it, are we? Once again, this is a low memory condition, and is irrelevant to this discussion.
This next statment needs to be pulled apart, as you try to make two points with it:
Plenty of systems... handle extreme VM load much better than Linux...
Agreed, but we're not talking about "extreme VM load", are we? We're talking about out of memory conditions. No memory left. Anywhere.
Plenty of systems have been implemented without such a [patch].
Sure, but these systems have been hand-tuned to avoid running out of memory in the first place. Is this a good thing? Let's see:
In short, there's no need for the OOM killer.
Oddly, you first said "must die," but now say "no need," but I'm willing to ignore that. Ideally, a system should never run out of memory. But how can you know your machine is safe? After all, you can never know the memory requirements of a program ahead of time. So you can either throw excessive amounts of resources at your machine, or you can add support for low-memory and out-of-memory conditions. Your ideas for low-memory problems may be good, but they're not relevant here.
So the only question is this: Is an OOM killer worth the effort? OOM killer performs a partial system shutdown, allowing reletively quick recovery. This might be valuable for servers, but for single-user computers, it's usually easier to just reboot, especially since the machine will be desperately thrashing by that point.
Is an OOM killer worth writing? We're not paying Rik, so that's up to him. If you want low-memory conditions handled better, pay up, or write it yourself.
Rik contends that a lot of people make suggestions without actually understanding the problem...
Should be easy.. those drives are usually SCSI, which multitasks nicely. And you only need about 16 KB per sec, which is prolly way slower than the drive. The only trick would be getting a drive that can pause and resume.
Why is mobility so important? Are you playing music while driving around? Quality systems take time to set up and tear down; notebook and lunchbox systems will save you nothing here.
Just get a mini-tower and an LCD display. You'll be able to maximize quality without spending too much money. In exchange, set-up and tear-down will be a little more work, but only a few cables' worth.
If you need to use the machine in a car or bus, you can get a power inverter cheap. If you're in a plane, use the notebook; it's quality will be sufficient til you land and can bust out the big machine.
For some reason, I wanna come up with a suitably smart-ass answer to cut you down to size, but I can't -- it look like you got a really sweet system for doing some heavy video processing on a budget. My suggestions are below, but they can't match an OEM Audigy, which pricewatch says is $55.
c: If you have an ISA slot, put in an Awe 64 and a PCI firewire card.
d: Get a Radeon 8500DV, which replaces the Xpert, the TV Wonder, AND firewire.
e: Get a real motherboard, with 6 PCI and on-board ether.
Have you ever seen an interview with Joss? He talks the same way! Or rather, the Buffy characters all talk like Joss. But that show can get away with it it because it's so distinctive, both on TV and in real life.
I had this idea not long ago -- FEC should be used for RAID! It would be cool to have an array of 50 drives be able to tolerate the loss of any 5 with no loss of data.
> Fortunately, the move to open source and Linux is picking up speed.
This will stop when the DRMOS comes out, as it provides all the security governments want. The NSA will switch to Windows, and secure Linux will vanish.
Shoot, I'll answer this myself. Wait, no, I won't answer, but I'll give you the questions you need to ask. I mean, this article is way old, so noone's gonna read it anyway, right?
Here da questions:
$250 for partial ownership of a company is called a share. Do you know of any place where people can buy and sell shares?
Do @Home, Excite@Home, AT&T, or any of the cable companies already sell shares there?
Do they charge $250?
Answer those questions, and all will become clear.
We have 4 million users.. if each one sent me $100, we'd have more than AT&T's bid. And for $250, we'd have a billion, which not only covers @home's debt, but is likely WAY more than AT&T wants to spend.
Would you pay $250 for a share of your own cablenet company?
Because MS then waves their sales numbers in the faces of game makers, and says "Lookit all these sales, wouldn't you rather write games for them instead of those other silly consoles?" So PS/2 and RubixCube die instead.
Ant is akin to Make, but with an XML control script. Our script compiles, builds javadocs, runs the ObjectStore post-processor on the classes, and builds the.jar files for us.
I too use SlickEdit quite heavily.. VERY customizable, supports aliases ('spr' becomes System.out.println), and if you implement or extend another class, it will auto-add method prototypes for you to override.
-B
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WTF?! Those links we're correct when I submitted..
Anyway, I believe JBuilder will let you code and test JSP directly in the editor without have to fight a server somewhere.
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Another reason is the switch from floppies to CDs. We could re-use floppies, so the advertising stuck around. But the CDs (despite all the jokes) all go in the trash.
The answer? AOL should switch to CD-RWs, or even multi-session CD-Rs.
They have the Matrix. What, you thought *this* was reality?
Heroes of M&M's? Like the Red guy and the Blue guy?
Terribly sorry, I just couldn't resist.
0.13 chips can usually run much faster than 0.18 .. Will we be able to overclock the new mini-PS2 chips?
Another way of describing this: Make the 'gun sign' with your favorite hand. Pick up a rubber band with the other hand, hook one end over the tip of your gun hand, stretch the rubber around behind the thumb, then grasp it with one of the lower three fingers *of the gun hand*. This is a one-handed gun, the other hand is not involved in shooting.
You can also go the other way - hold one end of the rubber in one of the three fingers of your gun hand, then stretch it around behind the thumb, and hook it over your index finger.
Note that your gun hand has *three* spare fingers - you can load three rubber bands into this gun!
You make a harmless show gun. Instead of hooking the rubber *on* your index finger, pull it a little farther, and hook it *over* the finger so that it rests against the web between the index and middle fingers. When you shoot the rubber won't launch, instead it will spin harmlessly around your index finger a few times. Fun to watch.
Unfortunately, this is not a particularly *good* gun. Unless you have large hands, the rubber is not stretched to its full length, so it doesn't go very far. It also doesn't go straight either.
P.S. WOW, rubber band guns are tough to describe!
-B
No no, "1g" means 1 gillion (pronounced "one jillion") and simply means any arbitrarily large number.
-B
Our pheerless leader's name should be listed as Commander Rob "Taco" Malda, hence the abbreviation "Cmdr. Taco".
-B
If you can't figure out what to do with the money, then why are you collecting it?? I swear, you liberals are just nuts .. Let the students keep THEIR money, and spend it truly useful things, like tuition and books.
-B
Just like gambling .. In the end, Entropia gets ALL the money. Well, most of it .. you might sell some stuff, but in the end you'll still be behind. The House always wins!
-B
Now when you install my software, it will disable all your I/O -- ethernet, serial, CD, as well as every other piece of software on the system. If you want to re-enable these, go ahead, but that's an unsupported configuration and will void the warranty.
-B
First off, you need to study your own subject line: OOM Killer. OOM means out of memory. It does not mean low memory; it does not mean "maybe the admin can link in some more swap;" and it does not mean "move pages into a protected buffer." It means out of memory: there is no memory left. Anywhere.
You say:
then you say:
Make up your mind dude -- which side are you on? Hint: Your second statement is correct, sarcastic as it was. We can't know the true memory behavior of a process ahead of time, so we can't block processes that are going to become too large.
Next you say:
Those pages contain data, they cannot be taken away. The must be moved somewhere
Ah, your fingers are moving, but you don't understand the words. This is still swap space; the label is meaningless. And if we have swap available, then we're not out of memory, are we? This is a low memory condition, and is irrelevant to this discussion.
Okay, so how about:
Once again, you use the term without understanding it. This is called memory (as you said,) and if there's some left, then we're not out of it, are we? Once again, this is a low memory condition, and is irrelevant to this discussion.
This next statment needs to be pulled apart, as you try to make two points with it:
Agreed, but we're not talking about "extreme VM load", are we? We're talking about out of memory conditions. No memory left. Anywhere.Sure, but these systems have been hand-tuned to avoid running out of memory in the first place. Is this a good thing? Let's see:
Oddly, you first said "must die," but now say "no need," but I'm willing to ignore that. Ideally, a system should never run out of memory. But how can you know your machine is safe? After all, you can never know the memory requirements of a program ahead of time. So you can either throw excessive amounts of resources at your machine, or you can add support for low-memory and out-of-memory conditions. Your ideas for low-memory problems may be good, but they're not relevant here.
So the only question is this: Is an OOM killer worth the effort? OOM killer performs a partial system shutdown, allowing reletively quick recovery. This might be valuable for servers, but for single-user computers, it's usually easier to just reboot, especially since the machine will be desperately thrashing by that point.
Is an OOM killer worth writing? We're not paying Rik, so that's up to him. If you want low-memory conditions handled better, pay up, or write it yourself.
Look in the mirror, dude -- that's you!
-B
Not bloody likely .. what the users want is free music. How do you make money providing that?
-B
Should be easy .. those drives are usually SCSI, which multitasks nicely. And you only need about 16 KB per sec, which is prolly way slower than the drive. The only trick would be getting a drive that can pause and resume.
-B
Why is mobility so important? Are you playing music while driving around? Quality systems take time to set up and tear down; notebook and lunchbox systems will save you nothing here.
Just get a mini-tower and an LCD display. You'll be able to maximize quality without spending too much money. In exchange, set-up and tear-down will be a little more work, but only a few cables' worth.
If you need to use the machine in a car or bus, you can get a power inverter cheap. If you're in a plane, use the notebook; it's quality will be sufficient til you land and can bust out the big machine.
-B
For some reason, I wanna come up with a suitably smart-ass answer to cut you down to size, but I can't -- it look like you got a really sweet system for doing some heavy video processing on a budget. My suggestions are below, but they can't match an OEM Audigy, which pricewatch says is $55.
c: If you have an ISA slot, put in an Awe 64 and a PCI firewire card.
d: Get a Radeon 8500DV, which replaces the Xpert, the TV Wonder, AND firewire.
e: Get a real motherboard, with 6 PCI and on-board ether.
And Win2k kicks boot, no flames are warranted.
-B
Have you ever seen an interview with Joss? He talks the same way! Or rather, the Buffy characters all talk like Joss. But that show can get away with it it because it's so distinctive, both on TV and in real life.
-B
I had this idea not long ago -- FEC should be used for RAID! It would be cool to have an array of 50 drives be able to tolerate the loss of any 5 with no loss of data.
-B
> Fortunately, the move to open source and Linux is picking up speed.
This will stop when the DRMOS comes out, as it provides all the security governments want. The NSA will switch to Windows, and secure Linux will vanish.
-B
Here da questions:
- $250 for partial ownership of a company is called a share. Do you know of any place where people can buy and sell shares?
- Do @Home, Excite@Home, AT&T, or any of the cable companies already sell shares there?
- Do they charge $250?
Answer those questions, and all will become clear.-B
Sure they can ... just look at Electronic Arts.
-B
We have 4 million users .. if each one sent me $100, we'd have more than AT&T's bid. And for $250, we'd have a billion, which not only covers @home's debt, but is likely WAY more than AT&T wants to spend.
Would you pay $250 for a share of your own cablenet company?
-B
Because MS then waves their sales numbers in the faces of game makers, and says "Lookit all these sales, wouldn't you rather write games for them instead of those other silly consoles?" So PS/2 and RubixCube die instead.
-B
Ant is akin to Make, but with an XML control script. Our script compiles, builds javadocs, runs the ObjectStore post-processor on the classes, and builds the .jar files for us.
-B
I too use SlickEdit quite heavily .. VERY customizable, supports aliases ('spr' becomes System.out.println), and if you implement or extend another class, it will auto-add method prototypes for you to override.
-B
WTF?! Those links we're correct when I submitted ..
Anyway, I believe JBuilder will let you code and test JSP directly in the editor without have to fight a server somewhere.
-B