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  1. Re:Hard disk bottleneck on 6 Firms Form Holographic Versatile Disc Alliance · · Score: 1

    I don't know if SATA has a separate address line or if that takes away from the data speed.

    SATA doesn't have any separate lines, thus the "serial" part of it. You could conceivably do it over a mere two wires, though in practice it has three ground lines, and two (transmit and receive) differential signal pairs. I say "conceivably" becase at 1.5Gbps, those suckers act more like antennas than wires, and good luck to the poor bastard who's manager tells him to make it work with a single wire pair.

  2. Re:This is plain stupid. on Google Ruled a Trademark Infringer · · Score: 1

    more if we wanted a highly visible end spot

    I would take the increased "visibility" of end caps with a grain of sand...

    maybe for impulse-buy items like candy, they work well. But if I go into a store looking for a particular product, well, 90% of the time I need to ask staff for help finding something, they direct me to an endcap that I'd walked right past a dozen times in my search.

    People look for widgets in the aisle labelled "widgets, knicknacks, and doodads". Not in that aisle? Ask for help, or more often, leave the store widgetless.

  3. Re:Can you say "invented"? on HP's Crossbar Latch... Next-Gen Transistor? · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Overall, I consider your comment one of the most insightful I've ever read on Slashdot.


    If they had cross-bar latch-based systems they wouldn't be have been using transistors in the first place.

    We still use vacuum tubes and electromechanical relays alongside transistors. Perhaps crossbar latch technology simple can't handle large enough currents to interface well with the macroscopic world, so the aliens needed to use transistors to switch relatively massive currents up into the microamps... ;-)


    So, no doubt in another 50 years, we'll find another layer of alien tech we have finally reached the manufacturing capability of making use of, and we can get down to using some cool property of the d orbital geometry as stressed in negative Scandium ions. No doubt the NSA's xenoassimilatory researchers missed this at the present time, since they considered it a mere impurity in the semiconductor substrate.

  4. Re:Cool on HP's Crossbar Latch... Next-Gen Transistor? · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Once we figure out the basics, it is going to transform the way we computer simply out of the sheer computing power we'll be able to throw at things.

    No, it won't.

    Quantum computing (which has very little to do with the parent article) will change the way we think about computationally "hard" problems. Things like prime factorization, things like NP-completeness, things like cryptography.

    But quantum computing will not replace the general-purpose Turing-complete model of computation we currently use. We will more likely see the idea of a quantum-coprocessor, something that you can interact with through a conventional CPU.

    The problem with quantum computing involves the complexity of doing simple tasks... Yeah, it can factor absolutely mind-boggling numbers in one unit of time. It also takes that same one unit of time to figure out 1 + 1 = 2. The problem there involves the length of that unit of time - Between loading a state onto a set of qubits, them almost instantanously solving the problem, then reading the state off of them, you could have done potentially billions of cycles of normal CPU ops (no, I don't have a time-scale to quote for this, but I would consider it exceedingly optimistic to hope we eventually get it down to the millisecond level).

    This development has so much potential because it points to a very, very major leap in the size of what we would currently consider a transistor... From 90nm, used by Intel and AMD's absolute latest mass-production facilities, down to a few nanometers. This means lower power requirements, faster CPU clocks, and much better areal density of functional units (getting down into the range of a few dozen atoms per switch, rather than hundreds of thousands at 90nm). The linked article also vaguely alludes to easier manufacturing techniques, but skimps on that one.

  5. Err... Anyone else notice something funny here? on Defeating XP SP2 Heap Protection · · Score: 1

    Err... Anyone else notice something funny here?

    During the first execution this program shows the list of applications which already have this flag set.

    I have DEP set to protect "essential Windows programs and services only"...

    Yet, running this util, the list of programs looks nothing like a list of "essential" Windows programs. In fact, I honestly don't recognize any of the programs listed, and I say that as someone that knows what a normal Windows XP SP2 install "should" have running, even down to the device-driver level.

    So what gives? Has Microsoft pulled the DRM-wool over us all in the form of DEP, and it has nothing to do with "security" at all? Okay, call me paranoid, but, something looks not quite right here (and I don't even mean the possibility of an exploit, I mean the uses of DEP itself, working or not).

  6. Re:She's absolutely right on MPAA Releases Software For Parents · · Score: 4, Funny

    Talk with your kids. Make sure they know what Kazaa-Lite is and how to use it. Make sure they know about encryption and how to use it.

    Oh, puh-lease. A decade ago, I had to teach my parents how to properly and safely download... er... "material of questionable legality".

    We always hear about "the" uncomfortable father-son (or mother-daughter) talk about sex, but the reverse case feels even wierder...

    "Uh... Dad, I found some interesting files on your computer."
    "Oh, er, uh, those must have come from... uh... one of those pop-up trap pages"
    "Dad, we all look at porn. But these lame 30-second video clips? Sigh. C'mere. Let me introduce you to USENet... Here, add all these groups... Check here to only show complete posts... Click here to watch the first part to see if you want the whole thing, and keep in mind that you can't always trust what the subject says... Now, if you like it, highlight the whole list with that same subject line, and download it. There you go, a full-length 15 minute feature."

  7. Re:Freedom is not an "incompatable world view" on Taking My Freedom With Me to China? · · Score: 1

    The problem with your implication is that, over the long term, security and prosperity are inextricably linked with freedom and democracy.

    Er... No. Cute idealistic philosophy, but about as incorrect as you can possibly get.

    They have nothing to do with one another.

    The most secure and prosperous level of "freedom"? A police state.

    The most efficient government? A monarchy/dictatorship.

    The most "fair" government? Communism.


    Now, I'll bet for that last one you said, "Wait a minute, look at the former Soviet Union - Do you consider that fair???". And you have a good point, that I'll bounce right back to you. Communism works as a theory. In reality, corrup individuals rise to power and stay there, benefitting from the work of the people. Well, that applies exactly the same in a democracy. In theory, everyone has an equal voice in the government. In reality, people form cliques and power aggregates to those who join together to force their common interest on everyone else.


    Or to look at it another way, this planet has only ever seen one "true" democracy (and even that fell a bit short, since not everyone counted as a full citizen). And look at its freedom and prosperity today! What, you mean Athens doesn't count as a world superpower, having fallen to an oligarchy a few thousand years ago?

  8. Re:copyright on Zimmermann Enters Debate on Microsoft Encryption · · Score: 1

    Copyright expiration? Copyrights don't expire. Congress extends them again every 20 years. And they'll keep doing so, forever, since the Supreme Court ruled that it was perfectly okay!

    Ah, you missed the implied context of that 150-years-from-now comment...

    Insert the phrase "once we've rebuilt society enough that historians can once again engage in research to figure out just what went wrong back in Neilvember of 2004 and Jennauary of 2005 that lead to the collapse of civilization".

    Then it will all make sense.


    On a less depressing note, I really don't see a problem with decoding existing cryptosystems in even the not-too-distant future. Quantum computing will make the entire concept of public key cryptography moot. Of course, once we start using quantum cryptography, we may have to come back to this topic. For now, though, I have 100% confidence that, barring a cataclysmic event that makes decoding info from the past a moot point, in even 20 years time anything currently in use will decode as easily as if we'd made it using a super spiffy Cracker Jacks code ring.

  9. Re:Well how STUPID on Lexus Computers Infected Via Bluetooth · · Score: 1

    The fact that it hasn't is CRIMINALLY IRRESPONSIBLE and typical of an industry that just doesn't get it.

    Er... No. Bluetooth more-or-less works as intended. Short-range RF-based communication. Check.

    The "criminally irresponsible" part comes from automobile designers (or cell-phone designers, or PDA designers, etc) allowing a possibly untrusted source of input to do anything to onboard computers.


    As an aside, to those who've mentioned that, at "worst" an attacker could mess with the climate control system - Consider that from the POV of someone in a cold environment (such as New England today)... Wait for the car to get nice and toasty, put the air on recirc, and direct mildly warm air toward the floor. Watch some poor bastard crash when his windows become opaque from fogging over as he beats the hell out of his console trying desperately to get the defroster to work.

  10. Re:Good for AOL on AOL Kills Usenet Access · · Score: 2, Informative

    Giganews and other big name vendors will gladly sell you Usenet service and best yet you can change the port in which you connect with; say port 80 and AOL cant block as they cant figure out if your using HTTP or NTP

    Alternately, you could just RTFA... "The ISP's pop-up message advises subscribers that newsgroup services are available from third-party providers."

    They don't care if AOL subscribers access USENet. They just don't want to provide it as a free service anymore. And, even as an old-timer (from waaaaay back inn'a win'ner of '91) that still reads and posts to USENet, I can appreciate (and in fact, applaud, if it will cut down on clueless AOL users on USENet) their stance. 95% of people haven't even heard of NNTP, 4.999% use it to suck down massive amounts of copyright-infringing material, and the remaining 0.001% probably has the ability to find an alternate source (such as GigaNews).

    Personally, I have to wonder why people even still use AOL. Once upon a time, in the early days of the 'net, AOL actually had aquite a lot of content that you couldn't access without an account. But now? Nothing but a web-browser-with-training-wheels that charges you for the "service" of treating you like an intellectual toddler.

  11. Re:wrong on New Standard Keyboard · · Score: 1

    You don't stretch yor hands to do it - you just use two hands

    No mod points at the moment, but +5 insightful!

    Unless trying to type one-handed (On the phone, ya pervs!), I use two hands for any key combination. Even "easy" ones like {Ctrl,Shift,Alt}-{A,S,Z,X,C}.

    But then again, I peck (no "hunt-and-" involved after this many years of use) somewhere over 80WPM. "Home" position? Sure, those little dots on the "F" and "J" (yes, I had to look down to get those letters - I know where to move my fingers to get to any key from the two dots, but not actually where those dots reside) make it easier to get your bearings when typing in the dark, but aside from that?


    So, to make this on-topic, what keyboard layout works best? I can give a nice, simple answer - The one that I will most likely encounter when sitting down at a computer (in the US, in my case). That currently means QWERTY. Which means that, when I need to replace a keyboard, I will replace it with the one I know in my sleep - QWERTY. Perhaps I could type 10% faster on a Dvorak or other "ergonomic" layout, if I took the time to learn it, and learned to type the old-fashioned way (see my comment on the home position). But does 10% faster on 1% of machines make up for needing to go back to hunting-and-pecking at around 5WPM on the other 99% of machines make sense? IMO, not even close.

  12. Re:MP3 Playback IS Free... on Real Pays For Legal MP3 Playback On Linux · · Score: 1

    There's a sizeable difference between being able to do it and being able to do it legally.

    ...Not for most of us.

    In the corporate world, "doing it legally" means the same as "doing it" (unless you can afford to abuse accounting rules to screw thousands of people out of billions of dollars, of course). There, your point holds true.

    In the "real" world, though, most people couldn't even tell you whether or not they have a legal copy of their OS, nevermind whether or not their preferred music player has all its ducks in a row regarding patent royalties.

    Hell, I've written audio (de)compression code, and couldn't tell you whether or not I've infringed on a patent!

    But most importantly... I don't particularly care if I have. I don't care if FooBar2000 (my audio player on Windows) has paid the Fraunhoffer tax. Grandmothers everywhere don't even blink at the thought of running an unlicensed copy of Windows.

    So does that much of a difference exist? Sure, we'd all prefer to keep our machines legal, but not too many people lose sleep over the issue...


    Simple example - Have you paid your SCO tax to run a Linux box? As unlikely as we may consider it, SCO could eventually attain some sort of (partial) victory. So do you see a big difference between having Linux, and having it legally?

  13. Same situation - My approach on Programming Until Retirement? · · Score: 1

    I worked as a firmware engineed for 8 years. Fast-paced, I learned a lot, and for a while, I enjoyed it. That time working put me through college, and I consider it the "learning" phase of my life (not that I ever plan to stop learning, but at the moment, it has taken a backseat the to "ready to settle in for a decade or two" phase).

    Almost 30, combined salary over $100k, don't know if I want to work as a code-monkey for the rest of my life.

    So, I moved "away from it all", found a job at a family-owned mid-sized company, and currently work as one of just a handful of IT people, and love my job. I work about 1/3rd general IT, 1/3rd coding on "real" projects, and 1/3rd on random activities - Enough variation to keep even such mundane tasks as replacing printer toner from getting overly boring. And, even a little time (yeah, I know, I already listed 100%) for truly "personal" projects that just happen to benefit the company, such as open source work on anything even remotely network admin related. And, while once-upon-a-time I couldn't even calculate the distance between me and the CEO (frequent reorganizations and a high turnover rate approaching that of a fast food restaurant didn't help), Now I have only two people between myself and the owner, with whom I can speak freely and casually (rather than having a CEO known only as a name, with an "open door policy", meaning "walk through my office door, and security will open the front door on your way out for the last time").

    Do enough such jobs exist for everyone? I'd say not. But quite a few do exist - In the present world, every company, whether IT related or not (I work at a very non-technical manufacturing facility) needs roughly one IT person per 50 or so employees. That means that, even ignoring dedicated software houses, the current job market should theoretically support roughly 2% of the population working in jobs similar to my own.

    Will these vanish as the technology improves and gets easier to use? Once upon a time, I would have said "yes, absolutely, my future looks bleak". But now, with a bit more experience with the human side of technology, rather than having a terminal as my primary source of interaction with the world 8 hours a day?


    No shot. You simply cannot underestimate the masses of computer users. Job security for life, baby!

  14. Re:Pentium M will catch up ONLY when FSB goes up on Centrino Mobile Equals Desktop Pentium 4 in Speed · · Score: 1

    I can't afford to part with 160 GB of space just for noise reasons, but I'm sure a lot of other people could.

    You might want to take the same approach to this problem that I used...

    Set yourself up a cheap Linux box as a fileserver, throw your big, cheap, noisy drives in there, and keep it in a room you don't use (guest bedroom?).

    Then on your "real" machine(s), you don't need a huge drive... I currently use a 40GB, just because you can't even get smaller ones anymore (well, you can, but you don't actually pay less for them). That way, you can spend your upgrade budget on performance and low noise, rather than size.

  15. Re:Pentium M will catch up ONLY when FSB goes up on Centrino Mobile Equals Desktop Pentium 4 in Speed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't the Pentium-M based off the PIII core?

    No. Or at least, not proveably so.

    Intel has released very few architectural details of the Centrino line. From what little the public actually knows about it, it does seem more similar to a PIII than a P4, but by all (credible) accounts, it uses a complete core redesign, optimized based on different criteria than most desktop CPUs. As a result, it consumes a reasonable amount of power, and the performance seems like almost an unintended perk.

  16. Re:Pentium M will catch up ONLY when FSB goes up on Centrino Mobile Equals Desktop Pentium 4 in Speed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the front side bus speed is the biggest limiting factor on Pentium M processors.

    Thank you... So far, I consider this the only "insightful" comment in this entire topic.

    In terms of raw performance, though, Anand and Tom (of which you mention the latter) have both done "real world" tests that don't include the GPU as the bottlenext, and found that, for heavily CPU-bound tasks (such as compression, which also eats memory but mostly just CPU), the Pentium-M (Dothan, in particular) holds its own against both the Prescott (P4) and the Athlon 64. On some tasks any of those three would take the lead, though the Dothan does only take 2nd or 3rd most of the time (but still beats the Athlon XP and the Northwood P4).

    For second best, and less than a quarter of the power consumption (less than a tenth when idle) for comparable performance, I fully plan to get a Pentium M as my next desktop upgrade. I care about raw performance, but I also care about my electric bill and about having something that sounds like a jet engine three feet from my head (lower power = less cooling needed = quieter).


    PLUS they do the stupid thing here and put in DDR-2 which does little for performance but increases system costs.

    Strange opinion... Yes, it increases the system cost a tad, but consider it from two POVs...First, since the Centrino line primarily targets laptops, 2.5V vs 1.8V means significantly lower power consumption (and correspondingly less need for active cooling, making battery life even better). And second - DDR2 picks up where DDR stops, FSB-wise... You could just as well say the original P4s did nothing for performance over the best-of-breed PIIIs, but after three core gens and a doubling of the clock speed, no one would now claim a "modern" PIII will outperform a modern P4.

  17. Re:Silly article on Are Extensible Programming Languages Coming? · · Score: 1

    and user-added extended LISP syntax is virtually indistinguishable in style and functionality from the built-in elements of the language.

    ...You call that a good thing?

    No offense, I actually do like Lisp (well, Scheme anyway; haven't done much in pure Lisp), but I consider its "style" one of its biggest drawbacks - Reading Lisp feels remarkably like trying to beat a 2 year old child at the game of "why?".

  18. Re:I'd be interested on Harvard Pres Says Females Naturally Bad at Math · · Score: 1

    What benefit comes from saying that "women are worse at spacial orientation tasks"?

    What benefit comes from studying macroevolution? To the extent that it affects us, it already happened, and just causes heated arguments among those who irrationally chose to argue against it.

    What benefit comes from exploring space, beyond LEOs for putting communications satellites in orbit?

    What benefit comes from studying any aspect of geology, when the major events it deals with either (again) already happened, or it can't predict them (ie, earthquakes and volcanos)) to any useful degree?

    What to most of us seems like a totally useless collection of trivia, may some day make a HUGE difference.


    What could you do with that information other than use it to either justify less women working in an industry that involves spacial reasoning (or to justify lower pay)?

    In some cases, that difference does matter. We can chat all we want about nice abstract principles of equal pay, from our safe, warm, comfy chairs in front of a computer, with our well-fed bellies (probably a bit bigger than we like this soon after our annual materialism festivals), but on rare occasions, the real world comes knocking.

    Spatial orientation doesn't readily lead to good examples (jokes about driving, which ironically females do better than males, aside), but how about firefighters? Females, on average, form quite a lot less muscle mass than males, simply as a result of the magic hormone "testosterone". Yes, hard-core bodybuilder females could certainly crush me like a soda can. But if you compare, on average, a mostly sedentary male even to a casually-fit female (aerobics two or three times a week, for example), the male can absolutely trounce the female in any test of raw strength.

    So... Role-playing time. You find yourself with two broken legs in a burning building, and two firefighters walk up to you, one male and one female. With mere seconds to spare before a beam above you splits and crushes you, and absolutely no prior information about these two people, which do you trust your life to? Or, on the flip side (a bit more far-fetched), while visiting a foreign country, a mad dictator kidnaps you and holds a gun to your head. It picks a random male and a random female off the street (of the same apparent socio economic class), and has them each read a complex passage of classic literature. You have a choice - Pick the one that explains it better, and live; pick wrong, and die painfully. Which do you pick? In both situations, do you consider mean muscle mass or mean linguistic ability, respectively, a "relevant" factor?


    So, for 99.9% of situations, such trivia matters not even a little. For the purposes of social, legal, and economic equality, such trivia should not come into play. But for that remaining 0.1% of the time... Keep in mind that "the house always wins" on similar margins.

  19. Re:I'd be interested on Harvard Pres Says Females Naturally Bad at Math · · Score: 1

    So for this to be relevant you'd have to show that this made a difference in intelligence

    You assume, incorrectly, that I had the intent of showing females as somehow inferior to males.

    I did not. I presented a statistical "fact", and said absolutely nothing about the implications thereof.

    Note the problem here - Summers did basically the same thing. He presented a statistical fact (though he did have the intent to shock his audience, he didn't suggest females as inherently "inferior" as a result), and will end up crucified over it. THAT has caused the outcry from the anti-PC crowd. Yes, you can misuse statistics. But you can't pretend that true statements somehow fail just because they might have implications that violate your belief system.


    Parallel processing could actually mean that more things are being processed quickly

    Actually, I mentioned that one specifically to balance out my post from making me sound like I randomly collect misogynistic facts - Females do perform better on linguistic tasks. That, however, as with relative math performance, we can't easily separate from cultural issues. Regions of brain activity during a task, we can objectively measure.

  20. Re:I'd be interested on Harvard Pres Says Females Naturally Bad at Math · · Score: 1

    They will take your generalist and possibly truthful statements ... to mean that all men are better at 3d spatial orientation tasks than all men.

    Now that would misuse the statistics presented. As someone else posted on this topic, general trends such as males having (to pick something I don't think anyone would contest) more muscle mass than females, on average do not preclude the possibility that any given female may well count as the most buff human of either gender, on the planet. Same with math performance, and any other category with at least some overlap (as opposed to "bearing children", where no overlap occurs, and no male can possibly "outperform" any female in such a category).

    I hope I did not make it sound like I meant that no overlap occurs in the specific categories I mentioned; if so, consider this a correction.

  21. Re:I'd be interested on Harvard Pres Says Females Naturally Bad at Math · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd be interested to see what peer-reviewed, repeatable research there exists on actual gender differences.

    I lack links to peer reviewed studies (since most journals rightly fear that the internet will eventually drive them out of business) to back these up, but I can provide a few examples that a quick Googling will verify...

    1) Female brains weight roughly 200g less than male brains.

    2) Females use both hemispheres of their brains (five separate locii, IIRC) for language tasks, while males use only one hemisphere and (again, IIRC) two locii.

    3) Males perform significantly (in the rigid statistical sense) better at 3d spatial orientation tasks than females do.


    And, of course, the one that caused this entire argument, 4) Males score DRASTICALLY higher on tests of abstract and symbolic logic (ie, math). I don't even know why that counts as controvertial anymore. That particular horse died so long ago, we can't even beat the carcass, just sort of stir up the dust.

  22. Total red herring... on Abandoning Header Files? · · Score: 3, Informative

    First of all, "speed", either compilation-wise or runtime-wise, has nothing to do with why you should use header files.

    I too disliked header files, long ago, in my early days of programming C. It seemed pointless, to have two files (or rarely, as many as four), when one would do just as well.

    For small projects, I'll still use one large monolithic source file. In that aspect, it makes sense to skip breaking out your data and function definitions.

    But when you get to the "real" world... Imagine even a "small" serious project, with perhaps 10k lines of code. Try to find a single function in that file - I hope you feel on good terms with your IDE's search capabilities!

    So, break that out into a dozen files - You have your network code in one file, your UI code in another, your file I/O in another, perhaps some database interaction in another, and so on. Okay, that works well... But wait, your network code, your file I/O, and your database code, all make use of the same checksum algorithm! So, you have the same exact code duplicated three times.

    That would work, because each file will compile to a module with its own namespace (in most languages). But it wastes space, both in the source and in the compiled code. It also wastes time and can very easily introduce bugs - For example, if you decide you need to switch from MD5 for SHA1 as your checksumming algorithm, you now need to change three places instead of one. If you miss one of those, but use them to compare results between the three different uses, you have a very serious bug that may drive you batty trying to track it down.

    So, the obvious solution, break out all your common functions into a toolkit-like source file. Now, you could just #include that in every other file that needs it, but WOW would that cause some serious bloat in the compiled code - In my experience, shared code files frequently end up as the single largest source file in the entire project.

    So, use a header file. That way, you don't end up with massive duplication of code, you have the advantage of a logical breakout of your code into similar-purpose files, and you can still make changes to only one file to modify one function.

    Incidentally, the above chain of thinking more-or-less describes the evolution of standard libraries... Would your professor actually suggest that you shouldn't "#include<stdio.h>", but instead should manually pull the code for each function you use into your source file? Because, in the degenerative case, he has told you exactly that.

  23. Re:Is FLAC worth it? on Audio Compression Primer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I keep my entire CD collection on disk as FLAC, and then transcode to the lossy format

    Same here... I began a search last year for a Vorbis CD player, and found that they simply do not exist (I've heard rumors of a few available only in random SouthEast Asian countries, but that doesn't really do me a whole lot of good).

    So rather than either transcode my OGGs to MP3s, or rip my CD collection again (for the third time... Boy did I every choose poorly to pick VQF the first time) to MP3 to keep alongside my OGGs (wasting twice as much room), I decided to just go for lossless.

    Now, I can reencode to MP3 for portable devices. I can reencode to Vorbis for putting on a DVD to take to work or a friend's house (or anywhere I can use a PC to listen to it). I could encode to AAC to listen on an iPod, if I had one. And in an absolute worst-case scenario, I can create a bitwise-exact duplicate of my original CD if, for example, the dog eats it.

    Disk space has grown cheap enough that, when I stopped to think about it, it looked like a no-brainer. It takes literally weeks to rip a largish collection of audio CDs. A 200GB HDD costs under $100. So, I ripped one last time to lossless, and will never need to touch those CDs again.

  24. Re:Max. 3 programs on Windows XP Starter Edition Review · · Score: 2, Informative
    I have about 30 entries in the Processes tab. I think you must mean the Applications tab

    Ummm... I'll quote myself here:
    Open up Task Manager.
    Click on the "Applications" tab.
    Now click on the "Processes" tab.

    We appear not to disagree, but it would seem that you somehow skipped over reading the second step. :-)

    Though I suppose it might have read a bit better if I reversed the order in which I mentioned TaskMan's tabs, I only intended to demonstrate the difference between "processes" and "programs" from the point of view of Windows XP.
  25. Re:Max. 3 programs on Windows XP Starter Edition Review · · Score: 1

    If the standard windows build was limited to just 3 apps it wouldn't even start up so how are "programs" classified?

    Open up Task Manager.

    Click on the "Applications" tab.

    Now click on the "Processes" tab.

    There you go.


    For a slightly more technical answer, download SysInternals' Process Explorer, which expands process trees for you rather than just listing them linearly. From that, you can determine that an "application" means anything that runs as a direct child of Explorer (the GUI, not MSIE), with one exception - Anything without its own window that minimizes itself to the system tray, will not show up in the Applications list.

    Which, interestinly enough, means that you could conceivably start Mozilla, WinAmp (set to minimize to the system tray), and Wordpad; minimize WinAmp (which removes it from the list of running applications), open Paint, then restore WinAmp. This would presumeably result in four running "programs", since the "fourth" program has already started itself.