But this is an example of yet another way too specific law. Why is it that this law was passed concerning electronic breakins (and this is only an assumption), yet there is no law regarding physical breakins.
As a customer, there is no difference between the two, but in the eyes of the law there is?
I recently bought a stereo for my car and bought the only deck that the shop sold with an aux input specifically for the neuros once ogg is supported.
OK Neuros, I've got RCA cables dangling on my floorboard that are just waiting to be plugged into one of your devices. However, as I've been waiting long enough, I will actually buy any portable device that plays oggs, so the race is on...
Shouldn't OSS be about solving problems that people want to work on rather than trying to be a cloning engine for Microsoft software?
Bingo. Sometimes I shake my head at the lengths people go to bash M$ at every chance they get, then spend tons of effort to clone them. The first blatent one was when RH shipped thier default windowing system to be FVWM95. I still havn't gotten over that one. KDE and to an extent GNOME are not too far behind either. For example. Why in the world do they put the start thingy/taskbar/icon collector at the bottom of the screen? Because M$ put it there first. Take a look at your browser. See all the menus up top there? See the titlebar to move the window and close it etc? Shouldn't the taskbar be up there too?
Look at StarOffice and OpenOffice. They seem familiar. And there are plenty of others, but I think you get the point.
Another thing that M$ gets bashed on here is because they "embrace and extend". Many, many open source projects do exactly this.
Don't get me wrong. I like OS and there are beautiful examples of its success, like Apache, Linux, Galeon/Mozilla. The last one is an excellent example. I never thought of what I would want out of a browser, I just knew they all sucked a few years ago. However, Galeon is exactly what I want out of a browser.
So, what software do I use on a daily basis? Linux for an OS, WindowMaker for a window manager, mutt for email, vim for an editor, and lord forbid a closed source calendar called corporatetime. I believe that Oracle bought this, its difficult to find info about it anymore.
So what is my point? I get along just fine without M$ nor do I use any software that really has a M$ equivalent. Why do these topics come up all the time? Maybe we should be cloning M$'s slogan too. "Where do you want to go today?" It is a fitting question, right now the answer seems to be "Wherever M$ was yesterday?"
Its kinda mute, because IE does not run on any OS that I use on a regular basis. But I cannot even think of using IE until it shows me the urls before I click on them. There are other things that have bothered me about IE in the past, but I would even use Netscape 4.x over IE for this feature alone.
...you posted such a long reply to something that is below watching grass grow.
Anyway, I believe that grammar is a thing that would interest geeks. I know that I have been interested in grammar since grammar school:)
Seriously, I loved diagramming sentences. I like it that I know how to use the subjunctive mood in English. I've read the Elements of Style. The online version is pretty watered down, but its still worth a look. For example, they clarify the proper use of bring and take. Yes, it is incorrect to say: What kind of computer to bring to college? How ironic!
Maybe my interest in grammar is why I like programming, and can do it. After all, a programming language is a language, and each one has its own grammar. I beg you or anyone else to try and use the grammar incorrectly when programming.
Why can't businesses just treat advertising like the inverse of R&D?
You set up a budget for each, and the rewards are unknown, but positive.
Advertisements are to 1) make you feel good about the company 2) product awareness and announcement 3) to promote specials.
There is no science in changing ppls behaviour from advertising any more than there is a science to R&D (kinda ironic, eh?). With the science of R&D, I mean that the company does not upfront know how much more sales will come from making the cleaner work X% better, but eventually sales will definetly go down if thier product stays the same and everyone elses gets better. Both advertising and R&D are necessary (much less so with advertising in many markets) to keep the business in business.
The supposedly data driven advertising that came from the web with ad views and clickthroughs have given us those obnoxious ads that we see on the web (however, much fewer if you use mozilla)....your skipping the commercial because it sucks or because you've already seen it before
Again, these stats are irrelevant. I will watch an add like the one with the 2 hotties brawling over the beer, but the beer sucks, so I'm not going to buy it. Same thing with the Joe Isuzu ads. Remember them? Everyone liked the ads, noone ran out to spend ~20k on a car because the ad was funny.
In Perl, no need to escape spaces. You just added the requirement that there must be at least one space. If you want to be pedantic, at least please be correct!
OK, then please specify what version of Perl you are talking about. Version 6 regexps default to using the/x option, so you would need to escape the whitespace.
One small correction. There are no bootlegs offered at etree, the ppl there are very picky about only trading music that is permissable by the bands. Also, another thing that I like about flac is the metadata info, which includes builtin md5sum info as part of the file. The md5s are one of the things that I like best about etree. I know that I have byte for byte the same recording that was posted, and this is the same as everyone else has. This is much, much different than fishing up those bad sounding mp3s that were encoded by your average random person that may not even be complete, etc.
I am quite sure there are some people out there who used Alpha-based workstations back when Digital made them.
Actually, people still use them where I work.
world's first 64-bit desktop processor
I hope that they are not trying to patent this concept, because the aforementioned DECs are 64bit as well as the new Itaniums. Which are cheaper and faster than these G5s.
The only way IBM could be liable for this was if that Unix source code came out of AIX and not another *nix system.
Nope. SCO's argument is that they had some kind of NDA or other source agreement with IBM, and that IBM violated that agreement by putting some of SCO's code into Linux.
SCO's claims are purely contractural and valid, if indeed IBM violated any agreement they had with SCO.
Theoretically, under this model, the descendents of Johann Gutenberg now get to sue every book publisher in the world for not paying them royalties on the IP of printable-format books.
Actually, yes they could sue if all of the 1st publishers had an agreement with Gutenberg that was legal and binding up to this time. However, I am unaware of any case. Right now McDonald's is prime target for making ppl fat:)
Face it, corporations are in the business of making money, if they can reduce their costs by taking jobs elsewhere, they will do it.
Yes, this is true, but I think that it is up to our government to do something about this. I see the shipping of jobs overseas no different than shipping overseas goods to here. Imported goods are subject to a tariff to make the prices on par with domestic goods.
It pisses me off to see American corporations, that have next to no tax burdon, that in the spirit of "making money", ship all of the money overseas. Think about it, every 40k a year job shipped over to another country is entirely a 40k a year loss to the American economy (usually the target audience for these corps products and services).
And these American corps are using the roads that I paid for, and are protected by the Military that I paid for, etc, with no regard to giving anything back to me. And I'm supposed to think that this is OK? Very recently, almost all of my bills (rent, health insurance, cable TV, etc) have gone up. I'm surely not seeing the benefits of these corps "saving money".
Actually, I would bet that many mechanics make about what I do, but they don't have a $26,000 debt for school, they don't get called in on weekends/days off, nor are they at all concerned about thier job being replaced by any breathing person in the world that will work for less money than they will.
When I was in college, we were watching a film about the "Jobs of the future", and it was interesting which jobs were guaranteed to be good jobs. They were things like plumber, custodial work, food service, etc.
Honestly, if I had it all to do over again, I would never of gone to college. Considering that I am a systems administrator for million dollar computers and have never taken a computer class, I think that I could be further along in my career with that extra 4 years of working and getting paid for it.
Unfortunately, its not that simple. IBM is the one in "trouble" here, not Linux. SCO is suing IBM for some kind of breach of contract, which will not go away if the offending code is rewritten.
Not to mention that no two C++ compilers can even agree on how to compile C++ code.
The article is slashdotted, so I couldn't read it, but I would think that C++ would be extreemly difficult to decompile because of the use of inlined functions, and what would you do with templates? Also, I don't see how a class could be recreated from binary. I would be more likely to believe that a C++ binary could be decompiled into (ugly) C code, but not necessarily C++ code.
Also, I cannot see the problem. My resume in msword format is 5k gziped (yes, about 60% of word documents are NULL characters, I've counted:) and that is why they compress so well). OK, if a typical resume is 5k in size and lets say that this small company that is hurting for cash gets 5,000 applicants for 100 positions a year. This would be a grand total of 2.4Gigs a year. A 20Gig hardisk costs $50, and that would hold almost 10 years worth of accumilated resumes.
If a company is hurting that bad for cash, I doubt they can hire anyone.
This is bullsh*t. How the hell can linux ever gain some kind of presence besides servers if the packaging system is so screwed up that noone can create software and get it to install on a system?
I've created RPMs before, and it is a painful experience. I do not fault the opera people at all. I mean, they were able to port the browser to linux, but the whole effort has basically been wasted if it won't install.
I know of no other OS where installation of programs/files is this screwed up. Not to mention that designing for Linux (read: RedHat) is like shooting at a moving target. RH8.0 and RH9 are beta quality at best from mine and others experiences, yet their stable releases (7.X) are unlikely to even be targets of commercial developers since they are "old".
But thanks RH for making the login screen prettier. Now, can we get back to business and make a useable OS? Sheesh, I remember when these things were important instead of this stupid goal to get Linux "on the desktop". That will never become a reality until 3rd party software can be targeted for Linux.
Yeah, but the article said that the things were "hardly used". To quoteth the parent post:
wind tunnel tests the actual thing
The largest one could house a 737, which is not that large of a plane, and it can only attain a speed of 140 mph. What good is that? This is a very small subset of the "actual thing". I mean if you already went to the expense of creating a fullsize preproduction aircraft, why not throw a robot pilot, a computer and some sensors and fly the thing for real? Or throw a 1/4 size plane into a windtunnel that can test up to 700 mph?
Subsonic air flight is pretty much old hat by now. "Real" windtunnels can do things at speeds up to mach 7 or so to test the interactions of heat/pressure/speed that approach chaotic interactions and are very difficult to model or conduct a real test, and these windtunnels are at the threshold of our current technologies. This is what I would like to see from NASA. I see this as a sign of progress, not a sign of budget cuts.
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But this is an example of yet another way too specific law. Why is it that this law was passed concerning electronic breakins (and this is only an assumption), yet there is no law regarding physical breakins.
As a customer, there is no difference between the two, but in the eyes of the law there is?
And to me as well.
I recently bought a stereo for my car and bought the only deck that the shop sold with an aux input specifically for the neuros once ogg is supported.
OK Neuros, I've got RCA cables dangling on my floorboard that are just waiting to be plugged into one of your devices. However, as I've been waiting long enough, I will actually buy any portable device that plays oggs, so the race is on...
Shouldn't OSS be about solving problems that people want to work on rather than trying to be a cloning engine for Microsoft software?
Bingo. Sometimes I shake my head at the lengths people go to bash M$ at every chance they get, then spend tons of effort to clone them. The first blatent one was when RH shipped thier default windowing system to be FVWM95. I still havn't gotten over that one. KDE and to an extent GNOME are not too far behind either. For example. Why in the world do they put the start thingy/taskbar/icon collector at the bottom of the screen? Because M$ put it there first. Take a look at your browser. See all the menus up top there? See the titlebar to move the window and close it etc? Shouldn't the taskbar be up there too?
Look at StarOffice and OpenOffice. They seem familiar. And there are plenty of others, but I think you get the point.
Another thing that M$ gets bashed on here is because they "embrace and extend". Many, many open source projects do exactly this.
Don't get me wrong. I like OS and there are beautiful examples of its success, like Apache, Linux, Galeon/Mozilla. The last one is an excellent example. I never thought of what I would want out of a browser, I just knew they all sucked a few years ago. However, Galeon is exactly what I want out of a browser.
So, what software do I use on a daily basis? Linux for an OS, WindowMaker for a window manager, mutt for email, vim for an editor, and lord forbid a closed source calendar called corporatetime. I believe that Oracle bought this, its difficult to find info about it anymore.
So what is my point? I get along just fine without M$ nor do I use any software that really has a M$ equivalent. Why do these topics come up all the time? Maybe we should be cloning M$'s slogan too. "Where do you want to go today?" It is a fitting question, right now the answer seems to be "Wherever M$ was yesterday?"
Its kinda mute, because IE does not run on any OS that I use on a regular basis. But I cannot even think of using IE until it shows me the urls before I click on them. There are other things that have bothered me about IE in the past, but I would even use Netscape 4.x over IE for this feature alone.
This is especially sad considering that cnn.com is probably one of AOL/Time/Warner's most popular websites. Seems like someone might have tested it.
I'm very content with Galeon/Mozilla. I think the only feature that Galeon/Mozilla does not have is a save to text option like Netscape had.
...you posted such a long reply to something that is below watching grass grow.
:)
Anyway, I believe that grammar is a thing that would interest geeks. I know that I have been interested in grammar since grammar school
Seriously, I loved diagramming sentences. I like it that I know how to use the subjunctive mood in English. I've read the Elements of Style. The online version is pretty watered down, but its still worth a look. For example, they clarify the proper use of bring and take. Yes, it is incorrect to say: What kind of computer to bring to college? How ironic!
Maybe my interest in grammar is why I like programming, and can do it. After all, a programming language is a language, and each one has its own grammar. I beg you or anyone else to try and use the grammar incorrectly when programming.
It just ain't gonna work!
Why can't businesses just treat advertising like the inverse of R&D?
...your skipping the commercial because it sucks or because you've already seen it before
You set up a budget for each, and the rewards are unknown, but positive.
Advertisements are to 1) make you feel good about the company 2) product awareness and announcement 3) to promote specials.
There is no science in changing ppls behaviour from advertising any more than there is a science to R&D (kinda ironic, eh?). With the science of R&D, I mean that the company does not upfront know how much more sales will come from making the cleaner work X% better, but eventually sales will definetly go down if thier product stays the same and everyone elses gets better. Both advertising and R&D are necessary (much less so with advertising in many markets) to keep the business in business.
The supposedly data driven advertising that came from the web with ad views and clickthroughs have given us those obnoxious ads that we see on the web (however, much fewer if you use mozilla).
Again, these stats are irrelevant. I will watch an add like the one with the 2 hotties brawling over the beer, but the beer sucks, so I'm not going to buy it. Same thing with the Joe Isuzu ads. Remember them? Everyone liked the ads, noone ran out to spend ~20k on a car because the ad was funny.
and it rarely if ever changes my buying behavior
So are you suggesting that people switch to RH Linux because of their long life cycle?
Linux is almost exclusively what I do besides Solaris, and I'm getting very, very frustrated with RHs release policy.
OSes are like diskspace and memory, they will grow to whatever is there.
M$ does make a lighter version of windows called WinCE, and there are embedded Linux distros for limited hardware as well.
I agree completely. However, one thing that noone has mentioned is how easy it is to get around this patent.
Just charge $0.01 for a late charge.
In Perl, no need to escape spaces. You just added the requirement that there must be at least one space. If you want to be pedantic, at least please be correct!
/x option, so you would need to escape the whitespace.
OK, then please specify what version of Perl you are talking about. Version 6 regexps default to using the
One small correction. There are no bootlegs offered at etree, the ppl there are very picky about only trading music that is permissable by the bands. Also, another thing that I like about flac is the metadata info, which includes builtin md5sum info as part of the file. The md5s are one of the things that I like best about etree. I know that I have byte for byte the same recording that was posted, and this is the same as everyone else has. This is much, much different than fishing up those bad sounding mp3s that were encoded by your average random person that may not even be complete, etc.
I am quite sure there are some people out there who used Alpha-based workstations back when Digital made them.
Actually, people still use them where I work.
world's first 64-bit desktop processor
I hope that they are not trying to patent this concept, because the aforementioned DECs are 64bit as well as the new Itaniums. Which are cheaper and faster than these G5s.
I do not believe the government has any right or responsability to censor what adults view
The government is not taking that right away, its just not going to pay for it; view porn on your own computer with your own ISP, that is still OK.
Why is it that noone is questioning the "filtering" that has been done since the inception of libraries by the acquisition dept?
IBM and SCO, not Linux and SCO
:)
Correct.
IBM doesn't own the Linux kernel
Correct.
The only way IBM could be liable for this was if that Unix source code came out of AIX and not another *nix system.
Nope. SCO's argument is that they had some kind of NDA or other source agreement with IBM, and that IBM violated that agreement by putting some of SCO's code into Linux.
SCO's claims are purely contractural and valid, if indeed IBM violated any agreement they had with SCO.
Theoretically, under this model, the descendents of Johann Gutenberg now get to sue every book publisher in the world for not paying them royalties on the IP of printable-format books.
Actually, yes they could sue if all of the 1st publishers had an agreement with Gutenberg that was legal and binding up to this time. However, I am unaware of any case. Right now McDonald's is prime target for making ppl fat
Face it, corporations are in the business of making money, if they can reduce their costs by taking jobs elsewhere, they will do it.
Yes, this is true, but I think that it is up to our government to do something about this. I see the shipping of jobs overseas no different than shipping overseas goods to here. Imported goods are subject to a tariff to make the prices on par with domestic goods.
It pisses me off to see American corporations, that have next to no tax burdon, that in the spirit of "making money", ship all of the money overseas. Think about it, every 40k a year job shipped over to another country is entirely a 40k a year loss to the American economy (usually the target audience for these corps products and services).
And these American corps are using the roads that I paid for, and are protected by the Military that I paid for, etc, with no regard to giving anything back to me. And I'm supposed to think that this is OK? Very recently, almost all of my bills (rent, health insurance, cable TV, etc) have gone up. I'm surely not seeing the benefits of these corps "saving money".
Actually, I would bet that many mechanics make about what I do, but they don't have a $26,000 debt for school, they don't get called in on weekends/days off, nor are they at all concerned about thier job being replaced by any breathing person in the world that will work for less money than they will.
When I was in college, we were watching a film about the "Jobs of the future", and it was interesting which jobs were guaranteed to be good jobs. They were things like plumber, custodial work, food service, etc.
Honestly, if I had it all to do over again, I would never of gone to college. Considering that I am a systems administrator for million dollar computers and have never taken a computer class, I think that I could be further along in my career with that extra 4 years of working and getting paid for it.
Unfortunately, its not that simple. IBM is the one in "trouble" here, not Linux. SCO is suing IBM for some kind of breach of contract, which will not go away if the offending code is rewritten.
Are you listening RIAA? Yes, people will pay for a product with value added.
Not to mention that no two C++ compilers can even agree on how to compile C++ code.
The article is slashdotted, so I couldn't read it, but I would think that C++ would be extreemly difficult to decompile because of the use of inlined functions, and what would you do with templates? Also, I don't see how a class could be recreated from binary. I would be more likely to believe that a C++ binary could be decompiled into (ugly) C code, but not necessarily C++ code.
No stupid. Unless you got oodles of bandwidth and money you don't put audio in a lossless format on a site.
Oh really? What about the Internet Archive's Live Music Archive. Not to mention all of the volunteer ftp sites found from etree or even a site like this.
Also, I cannot see the problem. My resume in msword format is 5k gziped (yes, about 60% of word documents are NULL characters, I've counted :) and that is why they compress so well). OK, if a typical resume is 5k in size and lets say that this small company that is hurting for cash gets 5,000 applicants for 100 positions a year. This would be a grand total of 2.4Gigs a year. A 20Gig hardisk costs $50, and that would hold almost 10 years worth of accumilated resumes.
If a company is hurting that bad for cash, I doubt they can hire anyone.
This is bullsh*t. How the hell can linux ever gain some kind of presence besides servers if the packaging system is so screwed up that noone can create software and get it to install on a system?
I've created RPMs before, and it is a painful experience. I do not fault the opera people at all. I mean, they were able to port the browser to linux, but the whole effort has basically been wasted if it won't install.
I know of no other OS where installation of programs/files is this screwed up. Not to mention that designing for Linux (read: RedHat) is like shooting at a moving target. RH8.0 and RH9 are beta quality at best from mine and others experiences, yet their stable releases (7.X) are unlikely to even be targets of commercial developers since they are "old".
But thanks RH for making the login screen prettier. Now, can we get back to business and make a useable OS? Sheesh, I remember when these things were important instead of this stupid goal to get Linux "on the desktop". That will never become a reality until 3rd party software can be targeted for Linux.
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Yeah, but the article said that the things were "hardly used". To quoteth the parent post:
wind tunnel tests the actual thing
The largest one could house a 737, which is not that large of a plane, and it can only attain a speed of 140 mph. What good is that? This is a very small subset of the "actual thing". I mean if you already went to the expense of creating a fullsize preproduction aircraft, why not throw a robot pilot, a computer and some sensors and fly the thing for real? Or throw a 1/4 size plane into a windtunnel that can test up to 700 mph?
Subsonic air flight is pretty much old hat by now. "Real" windtunnels can do things at speeds up to mach 7 or so to test the interactions of heat/pressure/speed that approach chaotic interactions and are very difficult to model or conduct a real test, and these windtunnels are at the threshold of our current technologies. This is what I would like to see from NASA. I see this as a sign of progress, not a sign of budget cuts.