Congratulations on making a bigger ass of yourself.
So tell me, of voice of OSS, about all your contributions to OSS? I'm just _dying_ to hear about your latest patch. Please. we're all listening. Because it's clear you must be a major contributor judging from the personal affront you take from all the 'leeches' (although the constant references to how you were, up until [relatively] recently, a Windows user for so long would make one assume otherwise, but, alas, we surely just need to look at your record, no?)
You must be a heavily vested contributor considering a) your desire to have the power to restrict something which has always wanted to be free (have you read ANYTHING about the history of OSS????????) and b) your writing off me and anyone else in this thread as 'unworthy' without know what they might have contributed.
And while we're laying out personal notes -- if I'm gonna be dictated to about OSS by someone on/. , it's not gonna be from you. The original poster and I both have been at this far longer than you, sunshine, so don't you freaking dare presume to tell me what the movement is about. I was there in the day when a distro was just a tarball you got from a friend or UG and worked all week to get running on your machine.
People espousing exclusionary attitudes, like yours, would just as soon have us stay back in those days just so you can feel like you belong to a secret club. Well, that's not what OSS is about. It's about bringing a better computing world to everyone, not just you.
OSS is not a private party for nerds. It's an answer to computing in society when confronted with poorly implemented and priced proprietary offerings. It's not a hangout for beards and ponytails. And "dumbed down"??? Well, put your geek money where your mouth is and you go write adjustment layers into the Gimp. I fucking dare you.
We're all just peachy happy that you find the Gimp to be just to your liking. But, news flash, it wasn't written just for you or your Secret Beer Club. It was, despite a recent hysterical need by some to claim no such thing, written as a direct response to Photoshop, a program whose price put it out of the reach of most users.
So OSS isn't for this guy or the original poster? He shouldn't expect accommodation for a good user experience and usability by the developers? (yet you then go on to talk about Script-Fu which is exactly such a thing) Well, that's the developer's goal: to make a product the end-user can use and use well.
OSS isn't a locked room where you can hang out and talk about TOPS20 and point and laugh at the Windows users out in the snow. It's about extending the room, unlocking the door, and bringing everyone into the warm room so that we can ALL have good user experience with computing.
To paraphrase you, 'Keep in mind that the whole reason anybody even cares about Photoshop is that it does what it does well.' And the Gimp doesn't do it quite so well [yet]. The idea is to change the latter to be like the former. Not bitch at people who want that to happen... which won't win you lots of friends either.
"You don't want this, you think it's ugly. But the other 99.9% of the people in the world want it."
Cool! Did you actually poll 100% of the world? That's awesome. And you must be really tired. With that in mind I won't waste too much of your time; I'm sure you'd like to get some sleep.
But one question begs to be asked: "What the fuck are you talking about?" Which part of the world, while you were out polling them, said they were "liking it"? (and are you also responsible for McDonald's "I'm Lovin' It" campaign?) And who was begging for Vista? You, yourself, just stated you're satisfied with Win2k. So who 'wants it'? And why haven't I met at least one of them when, according to your numbers, it should be everyone I know?
People hate their computers for the most part. And the last time I heard someone say they were loving their user experience, you can rest assured it wasn't a machine running Windows that they were praising. I do, however, hear a lot of cursing thrown in that direction.
Don't be an apologist. Unless you're on their payroll, that is. In which case it's your job.
I'm just amazed at the level of sexism I see in some of the comments. Do we need to put up a big sign out front "Remember, there are women on Slashdot too!" ????
I'd like to see a study on what percentage of Slashdot readers are sexists dickheads... and how we could get them to go away and stop giving everyone else a bad image.
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Dear mods,
What exactly about this are you finding 'interesting'? The fact that there's still a crotchety old man posting sexist shite to Slashdot (despite all the contributions to tech that women have made) or the fact that he's dissing women wholesale for preferring a good design (but back-peddling slightly after the subject line by throwing in an occasional 'and other people')?
*nerd pushes up taped glasses and snorts* "They jusht don't underschtand how to build a Linuxsch DVR from spare kitchen parts. Schtupid girls. They want their leisure tech to be easy to use and intuitive. *snort* Schtupid. They have cootiesch too, it's schientifically proven."
It's like that old tired argument that says that people who bitch about Windows being problematic just aren't 'tech' enough [and, therefore, less worthy than the chest-puffing boffin making the statement]. That grandma should learn about IRQ conflicts instead and stop bitching about her email app crashing every couple of hours. None of which makes Windows a better product and just continues to make the aforementioned chest-puffing boffin feel superior.
Signed, A woman with plenty of tech savvy who doesn't need some guy to help her with her frakkin' Tivo or her VCR
"Of course, nothing can be good enough for my Linux box..."
He said Linux. He said the above. Linux runs on PPC as well as Intel. Why must he buy a x86 PC? And wouldn't you be aghast if someone said "don't buy a PC unless you specifically want to use Windows"? Linux is not platform-bound.
"...do not buy a mac just because it looks good..." Quite frankly, the guy specifically said he wants something that looks good.
I don't see the problem with recommending a stylish computer to someone who says they are looking for a stylish computer.
Your argument hinges on KDE-Look having some sort of right or license to commercial distribution agreed upon with the artist. Even bookstores have more implied commercial affiliation and yet they would not be seen to have a say in the author's rights in court.
Your argument is flawed by this. I could put up a site tomorrow, post the same wallpaper (that much is implied), that doesn't make me somehow a concerned party over the artist's rights.
All art is protected by copyright. So 'knowing' is moot. It's Linspire's duty to find out and secure clearance on any art they do not directly generate.
There is no creative common license indicator on the web pages that host these images.
Which means they were therefore under normal copyright laws (which does not require that a copyright notice accompany a work - the onus is on you to secure clearance) which are even more restrictive. His changing the license is irrelevant.
No matter what anyone's feeling are about Slashdot (and their well-known love of sensationalism), Linspire, or anything, Linspire had no right to these images. The story is a fair cop.
PS - Can't you be bothered to register at Slashdot, of all places?
Chill out. So he's a little off about 'when it all started'. "Colwell is WRONG...", "The real truth..." What is this? The freakin' X-Files? Seriously, you could have written everything you did with less tinfoil-hatism and said your piece just fine.
Then there's "... I realized that, while I and others were actually out in the field in the late Eighties getting our technical hands dirty, you were probably cooped-up in a Class 100 clean room somewhere inside Intel!"
I know and worked with Bob Colwell. And he worked in a cube like the rest of us and his hands were plenty dirty plenty of the time. And that's "the real truth".
I'm not here to defend Intel (and let's not forget that he no longer works there), but I'll defend Bob because he's a damned fine individual and a damned fine engineer.
...Microsoft just doesn't get it. Their poor understanding of what makes the iPod a seller just illustrates their ever-increasing detachment from the pulse of "cool". Apple looked at what people wanted and made something ingenious _and focused_ to fit the bill. Microsoft, true to style, looked at the sales figures and area of penetration, formed a committee and... totally missed the point.
Sticking a gear shift on a camel doesn't make the camel cool or more useful. In fact, if the placement of the gear shift isn't a factor of the design, you get a camel that's a pain in the ass.
So MS doesn't make the hardware or do the design. Which means some toaster manufacturer with a factory full of cheap labour will get a good deal on some boring enclosure, slap together the cheapest version of this 'killer' app and flood the market with mediocrity. So we'll get clunky beige box MP3 players to go with our clunky beige boxes* running the most insecure commercial OS on the planet.
Go Bill...
* - Yes, even with the neon tubes and plexi-covered hole and the 'wizard riding a unicorn on a rainbow in space' applique.
"Captain, instant message coming in from approaching craft. Identifies itself as 'lee7 fl337 k0m4nd0r'." "On the main screen, Mr. Worf." *AIM message sound*
...is the way these people, wallet fat with cash, snidely refer to the minimum wage worker as though it were amazing that he had the grey matter to sort out the cause.
Perhaps they'd have been even more amazed had he lifted up their tinfoil hats and whispered in their ears "The theft alarm works on magnetism... new US currency has a magnetic strip in each bill. You have a stack of magnets in your wallet."
Now, if you'll all excuse me, I have a grassy knoll to prowl.
Please, stop calling Star Wars "science fiction". It is not. It's futuristic fantasy at best (spare me the "a long time ago" crap. It's futuristic compared to present Earth). Star Wars is fiction, and has nothing to do with science.
What's futuristic about it? The... style of clothing? Because, by your argument, it can't be the science or the technology. If that were the case it would be fiction which makes use of speculation on technology/science to frame the story or locale. Well, at the local library, they file that under 'science fiction'. The books about dragons and wizards go under the 'fantasy' card.
So you can't be bothered to be anal retentive about the 'future' bit, that's "crap" (but somewhere there's a futurist analogue to you who is cursing you for such heresy), but you can with the 'science' part? You're OK with 'futuristic fantasy' despite the author's assertion that the story has no relation to Earth or our future, yet calling it 'science fiction' gets you worked up because there's no scientific speculation (which is arguable no matter how hokey you perceive Lucas's writing)? Let's just say "in your estimation".
If you were arguing the age old notion that there is no such thing as science fiction, only 'speculative fiction', that's one thing. But it's seems you just have a problem with [what you perceive as] the sullying of the word science by its mixing with anything you deem as fantasy (is it the goofy wizard-like Jedi?). I have to assume, then, that what some call 'hard SciFi' is the only thing you would endorse as 'science fiction'. But in the end "science fiction" is a genre identifier and Star Wars is within it according to the author(s), distributors, cataloguers, classifiers and, yes, buying public.
I'm not a Star Wars fangirl and that's not my motivation for replying. Defending Lucas isn't real high on my list of priorities. But I am an avid reader of the genre. Saying a moose in Fiji is not a moose because your experience says all moose live in Canada doesn't change the moose.
Star Wars is science fiction because that's what we say it is, not because it took some test and scored higher in maths and sciences than the Dragonrider books.
Virus story. Yawn. Scroll.
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Open Safari. Go to/. Virus story. Yawn. Wonder how people can still defend Windows with that "it does what I want" or "it gets the job done" excuse. Scroll. Get on with doing what I want and getting the job done.
(posting no bonus. mod off topic if you must. just an aside.)
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Congratulations on making a bigger ass of yourself.
/. , it's not gonna be from you. The original poster and I both have been at this far longer than you, sunshine, so don't you freaking dare presume to tell me what the movement is about. I was there in the day when a distro was just a tarball you got from a friend or UG and worked all week to get running on your machine.
So tell me, of voice of OSS, about all your contributions to OSS? I'm just _dying_ to hear about your latest patch. Please. we're all listening. Because it's clear you must be a major contributor judging from the personal affront you take from all the 'leeches' (although the constant references to how you were, up until [relatively] recently, a Windows user for so long would make one assume otherwise, but, alas, we surely just need to look at your record, no?)
You must be a heavily vested contributor considering a) your desire to have the power to restrict something which has always wanted to be free (have you read ANYTHING about the history of OSS????????) and b) your writing off me and anyone else in this thread as 'unworthy' without know what they might have contributed.
And while we're laying out personal notes -- if I'm gonna be dictated to about OSS by someone on
People espousing exclusionary attitudes, like yours, would just as soon have us stay back in those days just so you can feel like you belong to a secret club. Well, that's not what OSS is about. It's about bringing a better computing world to everyone, not just you.
OSS is not a private party for nerds. It's an answer to computing in society when confronted with poorly implemented and priced proprietary offerings. It's not a hangout for beards and ponytails. And "dumbed down"??? Well, put your geek money where your mouth is and you go write adjustment layers into the Gimp. I fucking dare you.
We're all just peachy happy that you find the Gimp to be just to your liking. But, news flash, it wasn't written just for you or your Secret Beer Club. It was, despite a recent hysterical need by some to claim no such thing, written as a direct response to Photoshop, a program whose price put it out of the reach of most users.
So OSS isn't for this guy or the original poster? He shouldn't expect accommodation for a good user experience and usability by the developers? (yet you then go on to talk about Script-Fu which is exactly such a thing) Well, that's the developer's goal: to make a product the end-user can use and use well.
OSS isn't a locked room where you can hang out and talk about TOPS20 and point and laugh at the Windows users out in the snow. It's about extending the room, unlocking the door, and bringing everyone into the warm room so that we can ALL have good user experience with computing.
To paraphrase you, 'Keep in mind that the whole reason anybody even cares about Photoshop is that it does what it does well.' And the Gimp doesn't do it quite so well [yet]. The idea is to change the latter to be like the former. Not bitch at people who want that to happen... which won't win you lots of friends either.
"You don't want this, you think it's ugly. But the other 99.9% of the people in the world want it."
Cool! Did you actually poll 100% of the world? That's awesome. And you must be really tired. With that in mind I won't waste too much of your time; I'm sure you'd like to get some sleep.
But one question begs to be asked: "What the fuck are you talking about?"
Which part of the world, while you were out polling them, said they were "liking it"? (and are you also responsible for McDonald's "I'm Lovin' It" campaign?) And who was begging for Vista? You, yourself, just stated you're satisfied with Win2k. So who 'wants it'? And why haven't I met at least one of them when, according to your numbers, it should be everyone I know?
People hate their computers for the most part. And the last time I heard someone say they were loving their user experience, you can rest assured it wasn't a machine running Windows that they were praising. I do, however, hear a lot of cursing thrown in that direction.
Don't be an apologist. Unless you're on their payroll, that is. In which case it's your job.
It's not our fault you hang out with stupid people.
What are you, like their king or something?
I'm just amazed at the level of sexism I see in some of the comments. Do we need to put up a big sign out front "Remember, there are women on Slashdot too!" ????
I'd like to see a study on what percentage of Slashdot readers are sexists dickheads... and how we could get them to go away and stop giving everyone else a bad image.
Dear mods,
What exactly about this are you finding 'interesting'? The fact that there's still a crotchety old man posting sexist shite to Slashdot (despite all the contributions to tech that women have made) or the fact that he's dissing women wholesale for preferring a good design (but back-peddling slightly after the subject line by throwing in an occasional 'and other people')?
*nerd pushes up taped glasses and snorts* "They jusht don't underschtand how to build a Linuxsch DVR from spare kitchen parts. Schtupid girls. They want their leisure tech to be easy to use and intuitive. *snort* Schtupid. They have cootiesch too, it's schientifically proven."
It's like that old tired argument that says that people who bitch about Windows being problematic just aren't 'tech' enough [and, therefore, less worthy than the chest-puffing boffin making the statement]. That grandma should learn about IRQ conflicts instead and stop bitching about her email app crashing every couple of hours. None of which makes Windows a better product and just continues to make the aforementioned chest-puffing boffin feel superior.
Signed,
A woman with plenty of tech savvy who doesn't need some guy to help her with her frakkin' Tivo or her VCR
Yes. Or you can sleep on the couch.
Well, that?s unfair. I mean it?s not like Mac users have had to put up with anything similar from Window?s non : standard character set choices. ;)
Worst dissection ever.
The frog I had to dissect in 7th grade made me sad. But not this sad.
"Of course, nothing can be good enough for my Linux box..."
He said Linux. He said the above. Linux runs on PPC as well as Intel. Why must he buy a x86 PC? And wouldn't you be aghast if someone said "don't buy a PC unless you specifically want to use Windows"? Linux is not platform-bound.
"...do not buy a mac just because it looks good..."
Quite frankly, the guy specifically said he wants something that looks good.
I don't see the problem with recommending a stylish computer to someone who says they are looking for a stylish computer.
... I get CNN, BBC, Sky News, etc. not to mention the special coverage on free-to-air Seven and Nine tomorrow (check your TV schedule). *shrug*
And all those outlets have web sites. So... what's the problem?
Your argument hinges on KDE-Look having some sort of right or license to commercial distribution agreed upon with the artist. Even bookstores have more implied commercial affiliation and yet they would not be seen to have a say in the author's rights in court.
Your argument is flawed by this. I could put up a site tomorrow, post the same wallpaper (that much is implied), that doesn't make me somehow a concerned party over the artist's rights.
Do they even know that it's copyrighted?
All art is protected by copyright. So 'knowing' is moot. It's Linspire's duty to find out and secure clearance on any art they do not directly generate.
There is no creative common license indicator on the web pages that host these images.
Which means they were therefore under normal copyright laws (which does not require that a copyright notice accompany a work - the onus is on you to secure clearance) which are even more restrictive. His changing the license is irrelevant.
No matter what anyone's feeling are about Slashdot (and their well-known love of sensationalism), Linspire, or anything, Linspire had no right to these images. The story is a fair cop.
PS - Can't you be bothered to register at Slashdot, of all places?
... gets a zero credibility rating from me unless they're building killer robots.
PHBs and one-handed typers are the only people who use use 'cyber' outside the context of jokes (or killer robots).
The use of the terms 'Microsoft' and 'security' together also lowered the rank a notch or two, but that's a personal thing.
Chill out. So he's a little off about 'when it all started'. "Colwell is WRONG...", "The real truth..." What is this? The freakin' X-Files? Seriously, you could have written everything you did with less tinfoil-hatism and said your piece just fine.
Then there's "... I realized that, while I and others were actually out in the field in the late Eighties getting our technical hands dirty, you were probably cooped-up in a Class 100 clean room somewhere inside Intel!"
I know and worked with Bob Colwell. And he worked in a cube like the rest of us and his hands were plenty dirty plenty of the time. And that's "the real truth".
I'm not here to defend Intel (and let's not forget that he no longer works there), but I'll defend Bob because he's a damned fine individual and a damned fine engineer.
Well, in all fairness, half the blame should be placed with the Chicken Little syndrome that Slashdot headlines apparently requires these days.
If it doesn't pass the Star or National Enquirer "sky is falling" test, it ain't fit for Slashdot, it would seem.
He's livin' in the past ...Marge, quit livin' in the past.
Dyer's likely to go before Apple does.
"Sorry, but that's the way I see it. I wish it weren't true."
Mr. Wells was very excited by the looming 'turn of the century'. Make of it what you will, but I think this had a lot to do with his late 1890s work.
...Microsoft just doesn't get it. Their poor understanding of what makes the iPod a seller just illustrates their ever-increasing detachment from the pulse of "cool". Apple looked at what people wanted and made something ingenious _and focused_ to fit the bill. Microsoft, true to style, looked at the sales figures and area of penetration, formed a committee and... totally missed the point.
Sticking a gear shift on a camel doesn't make the camel cool or more useful. In fact, if the placement of the gear shift isn't a factor of the design, you get a camel that's a pain in the ass.
So MS doesn't make the hardware or do the design. Which means some toaster manufacturer with a factory full of cheap labour will get a good deal on some boring enclosure, slap together the cheapest version of this 'killer' app and flood the market with mediocrity. So we'll get clunky beige box MP3 players to go with our clunky beige boxes* running the most insecure commercial OS on the planet.
Go Bill...
* - Yes, even with the neon tubes and plexi-covered hole and the 'wizard riding a unicorn on a rainbow in space' applique.
"Captain, instant message coming in from approaching craft. Identifies itself as 'lee7 fl337 k0m4nd0r'."
"On the main screen, Mr. Worf."
*AIM message sound*
...is the way these people, wallet fat with cash, snidely refer to the minimum wage worker as though it were amazing that he had the grey matter to sort out the cause.
Perhaps they'd have been even more amazed had he lifted up their tinfoil hats and whispered in their ears "The theft alarm works on magnetism... new US currency has a magnetic strip in each bill. You have a stack of magnets in your wallet."
Now, if you'll all excuse me, I have a grassy knoll to prowl.
...at least this one has an accurate (and hype free) headline and summary. The original was all 'exploding chips' and shit.
Please, stop calling Star Wars "science fiction". It is not. It's futuristic fantasy at best (spare me the "a long time ago" crap. It's futuristic compared to present Earth).
Star Wars is fiction, and has nothing to do with science.
What's futuristic about it? The... style of clothing? Because, by your argument, it can't be the science or the technology. If that were the case it would be fiction which makes use of speculation on technology/science to frame the story or locale. Well, at the local library, they file that under 'science fiction'. The books about dragons and wizards go under the 'fantasy' card.
So you can't be bothered to be anal retentive about the 'future' bit, that's "crap" (but somewhere there's a futurist analogue to you who is cursing you for such heresy), but you can with the 'science' part? You're OK with 'futuristic fantasy' despite the author's assertion that the story has no relation to Earth or our future, yet calling it 'science fiction' gets you worked up because there's no scientific speculation (which is arguable no matter how hokey you perceive Lucas's writing)? Let's just say "in your estimation".
If you were arguing the age old notion that there is no such thing as science fiction, only 'speculative fiction', that's one thing. But it's seems you just have a problem with [what you perceive as] the sullying of the word science by its mixing with anything you deem as fantasy (is it the goofy wizard-like Jedi?). I have to assume, then, that what some call 'hard SciFi' is the only thing you would endorse as 'science fiction'. But in the end "science fiction" is a genre identifier and Star Wars is within it according to the author(s), distributors, cataloguers, classifiers and, yes, buying public.
I'm not a Star Wars fangirl and that's not my motivation for replying. Defending Lucas isn't real high on my list of priorities. But I am an avid reader of the genre. Saying a moose in Fiji is not a moose because your experience says all moose live in Canada doesn't change the moose.
Star Wars is science fiction because that's what we say it is, not because it took some test and scored higher in maths and sciences than the Dragonrider books.
Open Safari. Go to /.
Virus story. Yawn.
Wonder how people can still defend Windows with that "it does what I want" or "it gets the job done" excuse.
Scroll.
Get on with doing what I want and getting the job done.
(posting no bonus. mod off topic if you must. just an aside.)