But, it's a bit scary that you always need the support from your hardware vendor to support your windows version. Recently lots of people try to use windowsXP and just find out there are no drivers for their hardware. Does microsoft really believe that users would chuck away their nice $1000 scanner just because it's not supported by XP? So, windows basically has the same problems as linux does. The only advantage that you would have with open source is that you can easily upgrade a driver to work with a new driver interface (for example from 2.2 to 2.4 kernel). With MSWindows you'll just have to wait, even though you would be able to do this part of programming yourself.
The thing I don't get about many hardware vendors is that providing information to the open-source community won't cost them (hardly) any money. Their in-house software engineer does cost them money. Why don't they use this opportunity ? It seems they often misjudge what is confidential information.
It's not even that difficult. Microsoft wouldn't be able to check on this issue, they are kind of intimidating. It actually is a stupid move of MS because it shows vulnerability of their licencing system.
You can do whatever you like because they are not able to check on it and prove that there ever was a MS licence on the machine. Even if the original OEM shipped the machine only with windows, they couldn't prove that by the time you received the machine the licence was still with the machine. Also in case the machine had a win95 licence with it, that wouldn't obligate you to upgrade to win2000 for example. In case they really wouldn't allow you to use another OS, I would ask to pay for the disposal of old machines because I wouldn't be able to use the old hardware for a good purpose any more:-)
So, their words have no meaning again. Seems like MS is getting a bit stressed about licences lately. The reality about licences is that nobody really cares about them to seriously.
hmmm, I never read the full licence and always thought this refund thing wouldn't work for old licences. In case it would, I could earn a lot by doing that because I have lots of NT licences laying around that are not used anymore.
I just wonder wether they can just put a new licence like this on an old technology.
What I mean is that their forgot to make a proper licence years ago and probably now see that running Linux servers with Samba is becoming more popular by the day. of course they'd like to earn some money with their technology. I don't expect that they can claim money for anything made by third parties in the past. So, I guess a new networking protocol by MS in on it's way (did I miss something in the news).
dependency issues you also have with MSwindows, otherwise they wouldn't use shared libraries.
I remember having strange messages like "The file your copying is older than the one you have...... Replace it or not... Yes/No". What the hell would a user chose ? Hardly any use would have a clue to what the right choice would be. RPM at least tells you exactly which version you need and if that would break other packages (so, you'd need to upgrade that too). This leads to a system that doesn't break that easily. That's certainly very user-friendly. The same thing goes for a well written configure script of course. it will check what it needs and warn you in case it can't find the correct versions.
A nasty thing about MS windows I still find the use of it on a laptop. Say you are on the road and buy a nice software package. Unfortunatly this software package asks for the win2000 cdrom , that you left at home. You will be stuck since you can't just connect to the web and download the files that you need (it doesn't even tell you what it needs). I had this a few times being on business trip in far east. I was lucky that pirat copies in far east are a common thing otherwise I coudn't even install my legally bought software.
That's fun. I got rid of my old stereo set two years ago and use a PC with an amplifier as my stereo set/DVDplayer. So, I use my DVD-ROM drive to play audio CD's,DVD's,VCD. I like this kind of scalable system and Sony can be sure that I won't buy a stereo set to play any of their faulty CD's if I can't play them on my nice 'stereo' set.
Sony probably got this method patented. It would mean that in case other companies want to use this method as well, they'll pay for it. The end result : CD's will be more expensive and copying will be even more attractive:-)
The problem here is that a bad name can be easily repaired. None of the other "mojor" cell phone companies have such huge capacity as nokia does. It basically means that nokia can try out the market and if one product fails, they have plenty of backup. Actually, as a consumer I think this is a good thing. At least they are trying to be innovative. I just wonder how their suppliers would react to this kind of business. Some parts are already hard to supply now. It'll probably mean that a lot of LCD and RF suppliers are just working for nokia. Bye bye compettitors:-|
Don't you like to pay anything for a good product ? I would pay for it, if it was reasonable and if upgrades where prices reasonable.
I don't understand why people correlate commercial linux software with commercial windows software. Does it necessarily have to be the same licence/cost/bad support/etc.... ???
I certainly don't believe in that and think it can be done a lot better. Just hope that some managers will spot some real oppertunities and deploy them....
Even if they would be right, in some countries they wouldn't be allowed to name a compettitor's product by name and call it a bad product just to sell theirs.
I'd be laughing if M$ would be this stupid. They'll be back in court within no time I guess.
It should be a little different. It should become cheaper when buying more volume.
This has nothing to do with exclusive use. Microsoft punishes their customers even if they would buy the same amount of windows packages as before. That's simply a very nasty thing to do. I guess the large OEMs need to get together and don't go with this kind of marketing stategy anymore. Microsoft can hardly increase prices for all major OEMs. It could affect the windows sales dramatically, which is not what M$ would risk I think.
Anyways, somethings shrink when it's cold. I guess the north pole is the worst place to do it. But, in case one waits long enough........ it'll be small, but stiff:-)
No bloody manager would decide to do that. And he would be right. it'll cost him a lot of money to modify the source and money is all they care about (mostly).
I do agree that they can change the source and in the long run they might decide to do that. But, it's not a short term option.
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The only reason to copy is that you need to access one of those incompatible web sites that can only be viewed with IE.
I must admit, since MS doesn't release IE for other platforms and creates a monopoly perhaps copying the stuff is tempting.
Unfortunately I don't like my beatifull hardware to run this nasty stuff. My hardware is worth a better treat:-)
I agree, but I'd like to add that also people in companies often have no choice. The company regulation is often not so that one can just use the OS he/she likes.
If XP (which I don't use yet fortunately) doesn't allow any user influence on the automatic upgrades, I can only say that it can never be used for professional market.
How can they ever guarantee that nothing breaks down after an upgrade ???
They can never test their upgrades to this level.
What I mean is, check wether existing windows software (no matter what) keeps working after such an upgrade.
Microsoft doesn't have any right to look into company PC's and if they do they should be sued like any other guy breaking into someone else's system. What's the bloody difference ?
I guess I'm getting a bit paranoid and this isn't really true. MS wouldn't be that stupid, or are they ?
"The more manufacturers use Windows Media Audio, the more content providers, like record labels, will use it, and the more consumers will want it,"
This doesn't sound like you have a choice.
The only only choice you have is to buy such a player or not.
Just ask your local salesman to get this format out of such a player because you don't want it. He can't,so you'll be paying for the licence to play this stuff even though you don't want it.
It actually means they push it on the market and don't listen to what customers want. In other branches this kind of behaviour destroyed companies. In this case that will unfortunately not because it's an "extra" on your DVD player and the licence fee won't be a dramatical increase of the price of such players I guess (but you never know with MS).
It's all about money and if people chose not to buy it, these companies will drop the idea of using it.
>What remains to be seen, however, is how the seriously the Chinese government will crack down on pirating
Just a story :
My system admin didn't give me a CD of win2000 with my system. Once I got to china and I needed to install some chinese software. Unfortunately this (official licenced) software needed the win2000 CDrom for some files (font's that wheren't installed).
Of course I wouldn't buy a new win2000 copy, because it's already paid for by our company.
I was very lucky that there are pirated copies to be found everywhere (cost me only half an hour to find one on the streets).
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You can do anything like this as long nobody find out you did it. :-)
So, never tell them
But, it's a bit scary that you always need the support from your hardware vendor to support your windows version.
Recently lots of people try to use windowsXP and just find out there are no drivers for their hardware.
Does microsoft really believe that users would chuck away their nice $1000 scanner just because it's not supported by XP? So, windows basically has the same problems as linux does.
The only advantage that you would have with open source is that you can easily upgrade a driver to work with a new driver interface (for example from 2.2 to 2.4 kernel). With MSWindows you'll just have to wait, even though you would be able to do this part of programming yourself.
The thing I don't get about many hardware vendors is that providing information to the open-source community won't cost them (hardly) any money. Their in-house software engineer does cost them money. Why don't they use this opportunity ?
It seems they often misjudge what is confidential information.
Start with the linux device driver guide !
It's not even that difficult.
:-)
Microsoft wouldn't be able to check on this issue, they are kind of intimidating.
It actually is a stupid move of MS because it shows vulnerability of their licencing system.
You can do whatever you like because they are not able to check on it and prove that there ever was a MS licence on the machine. Even if the original OEM shipped the machine only with windows, they couldn't prove that by the time you received the machine the licence was still with the machine.
Also in case the machine had a win95 licence with it, that wouldn't obligate you to upgrade to win2000 for example. In case they really wouldn't allow you to use another OS, I would ask to pay for the disposal of old machines because I wouldn't be able to use the old hardware for a good purpose any more
So, their words have no meaning again. Seems like MS is getting a bit stressed about licences lately. The reality about licences is that nobody really cares about them to seriously.
hmmm, I never read the full licence and always thought this refund thing wouldn't work for old licences.
In case it would, I could earn a lot by doing that because I have lots of NT licences laying around that are not used anymore.
This could well be, but why not do this faster.
Join thousands of developers and release thousands of small projects that violate the MS licence.
I just wonder wether they can just put a new licence like this on an old technology.
What I mean is that their forgot to make a proper licence years ago and probably now see that running Linux servers with Samba is becoming more popular by the day. of course they'd like to earn some money with their technology. I don't expect that they can claim money for anything made by third parties in the past. So, I guess a new networking protocol by MS in on it's way (did I miss something in the news).
dependency issues you also have with MSwindows, otherwise they wouldn't use shared libraries.
I remember having strange messages like "The file your copying is older than the one you have......
Replace it or not... Yes/No".
What the hell would a user chose ? Hardly any use would have a clue to what the right choice would be.
RPM at least tells you exactly which version you need and if that would break other packages (so, you'd need to upgrade that too). This leads to a system that doesn't break that easily. That's certainly very user-friendly.
The same thing goes for a well written configure script of course. it will check what it needs and warn you in case it can't find the correct versions.
A nasty thing about MS windows I still find the use of it on a laptop. Say you are on the road and buy a nice software package. Unfortunatly this software package asks for the win2000 cdrom , that you left at home. You will be stuck since you can't just connect to the web and download the files that you need (it doesn't even tell you what it needs). I had this a few times being on business trip in far east. I was lucky that pirat copies in far east are a common thing otherwise I coudn't even install my legally bought software.
That's fun. I got rid of my old stereo set two years ago and use a PC with an amplifier as my stereo set/DVDplayer. So, I use my DVD-ROM drive to play audio CD's,DVD's,VCD. I like this kind of scalable system and Sony can be sure that I won't buy a stereo set to play any of their faulty CD's if I can't play them on my nice 'stereo' set.
:-)
Sony probably got this method patented. It would mean that in case other companies want to use this method as well, they'll pay for it. The end result : CD's will be more expensive and copying will be even more attractive
Yep, I guess the guy was 2 days late sending this one in.
The problem here is that a bad name can be easily repaired. None of the other "mojor" cell phone companies have such huge capacity as nokia does. :-|
It basically means that nokia can try out the market and if one product fails, they have plenty of backup.
Actually, as a consumer I think this is a good thing. At least they are trying to be innovative.
I just wonder how their suppliers would react to this kind of business. Some parts are already hard to supply now.
It'll probably mean that a lot of LCD and RF suppliers are just working for nokia. Bye bye compettitors
I'm not a member of anything so why bother obout anything ?
And what is against that ?
Don't you like to pay anything for a good product ?
I would pay for it, if it was reasonable and if upgrades where prices reasonable.
I don't understand why people correlate commercial linux software with commercial windows software. Does it necessarily have to be the same licence/cost/bad support/etc.... ???
I certainly don't believe in that and think it can be done a lot better. Just hope that some managers will spot some real oppertunities and deploy them....
up till then, it's up to us to support.
Even if they would be right, in some countries they wouldn't be allowed to name a compettitor's product by name and call it a bad product just to sell theirs.
I'd be laughing if M$ would be this stupid. They'll be back in court within no time I guess.
hehehe.
It's said that linux surpasses windows at some time. I do agree with the guy.
The moment is there........
It should be a little different.
It should become cheaper when buying more volume.
This has nothing to do with exclusive use.
Microsoft punishes their customers even if they would buy the same amount of windows packages as before. That's simply a very nasty thing to do. I guess the large OEMs need to get together and don't go with this kind of marketing stategy anymore. Microsoft can hardly increase prices for all major OEMs. It could affect the windows sales dramatically, which is not what M$ would risk I think.
Your hand must be getting tired.
:-)
Anyways, somethings shrink when it's cold. I guess the north pole is the worst place to do it.
But, in case one waits long enough........
it'll be small, but stiff
Or use this : http://crashrecovery.org/
I agree on the floppy use. Some of my machines don't even have a floppy drive anymore.
Why tune if another thng runs better ?
No bloody manager would decide to do that.
And he would be right. it'll cost him a lot of money to modify the source and money is all they care about (mostly).
I do agree that they can change the source and in the long run they might decide to do that. But, it's not a short term option.
oops, you where too fast too :-)
The only reason to copy is that you need to access one of those incompatible web sites that can only be viewed with IE.
:-)
I must admit, since MS doesn't release IE for other platforms and creates a monopoly perhaps copying the stuff is tempting.
Unfortunately I don't like my beatifull hardware to run this nasty stuff. My hardware is worth a better treat
I agree, but I'd like to add that also people in companies often have no choice. The company regulation is often not so that one can just use the OS he/she likes.
If XP (which I don't use yet fortunately) doesn't allow any user influence on the automatic upgrades, I can only say that it can never be used for professional market.
How can they ever guarantee that nothing breaks down after an upgrade ???
They can never test their upgrades to this level.
What I mean is, check wether existing windows software (no matter what) keeps working after such an upgrade.
Microsoft doesn't have any right to look into company PC's and if they do they should be sued like any other guy breaking into someone else's system. What's the bloody difference ?
I guess I'm getting a bit paranoid and this isn't really true. MS wouldn't be that stupid, or are they ?
I do live in the Netherlands (not near amsterdam fortunately)
The little freedom like we have here is very much appreciated !!!
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A happy (little drunk at the moment) dutch guy.
Phillips ?
/. so that people at least know the company name :-)
It seems like they need to do some more advertising on
"The more manufacturers use Windows Media Audio, the more content providers, like record labels, will use it, and the more consumers will want it,"
This doesn't sound like you have a choice.
The only only choice you have is to buy such a player or not.
Just ask your local salesman to get this format out of such a player because you don't want it. He can't,so you'll be paying for the licence to play this stuff even though you don't want it.
It actually means they push it on the market and don't listen to what customers want. In other branches this kind of behaviour destroyed companies. In this case that will unfortunately not because it's an "extra" on your DVD player and the licence fee won't be a dramatical increase of the price of such players I guess (but you never know with MS).
It's all about money and if people chose not to buy it, these companies will drop the idea of using it.
>What remains to be seen, however, is how the seriously the Chinese government will crack down on pirating
Just a story :
My system admin didn't give me a CD of win2000 with my system. Once I got to china and I needed to install some chinese software. Unfortunately this (official licenced) software needed the win2000 CDrom for some files (font's that wheren't installed).
Of course I wouldn't buy a new win2000 copy, because it's already paid for by our company.
I was very lucky that there are pirated copies to be found everywhere (cost me only half an hour to find one on the streets).