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North Pole is Leaving Canada
Dedekind writes: "CNN.com is posting this story
on the drifting of the Magnetic North Pole. Not only is the pole shifting from a spot just North of Resolute,
Canada, Canadian scientists expect it to end up in Siberia within the next half-century. Perhaps the most interesting part of the
story (which really is only a small part at the end) is that many couples like
to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children.
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See subject.
Most, if not all, topographic maps have the difference between True north and magnetic north noted on them. This is so that people navigating by compass don't get lost. If the magnetic pole is moving that fast, then the maps are going to have to be updated much more frequently.
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I'd probably be bored of canada after a few eons too. THough I hear the beer is good.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
to conceive my children, I like doing it anywhere!
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I just wonder what makes people think that the pole is special enough so that they want to conceive their children there. I mean, would they think their fluids would be at their best, or the magnetism would only attract good genes?
"Please, don't shift to Siberia, we can offer you a great benefits package and a signing bonus if you stay"
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Well, I had to be the one to say it... "Hell people, there isn't really that much to do up that far North but copulate!"
The honeymooners did not make the trip, but other couples, also believing that the location nurtures fertility, have chartered small planes to the forbidden spot, set up tents on the ice and conducted their business.
Its a wonder you don't find slummy hotels with free porno channels at the spot...
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
So, if the north pole is shifting that far, that fast... will the Canadian children see any change in Santa's normal delivery schedule? I can only assume he'd be a little later than normal, seeing as how Siberia is quite a flight from Northern Canada.
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The pole does not move in more traditional manets, but the earyth's liquid core might provide an answer.
It has been drifting nothward for decades.
More info at Canada's GSC site.
Let's just hope that north pole doesn't head into any nuclear weapons testing zones up in Siberia... we could be looking at some pretty freaky looking babies!
...or airport painting crews will be staffing up:
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Who'd have thought the magnetic pole would be so disgusted with the proposed duty on media as to leave Canada!
I won't be able to write Santa Claus anymore at
Santa Claus ...?
North Pole
Canada, HOH0H0
Then again, maybe that's not such a bad thing. This past Giftmas my boyfriend wrote him asking for his list of naughty girls. Thankfully all he got back was a form letter. ;)
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This is just a natural movement of the pole, that's what it does.
Does anyone else remember from college how the poles just flip every million years or so, and no one really knows why? That whay *I* am worried about. the poles moving just a little bit is fine with me.
but if the poles just flipped, imagine what chaos it would cause. Would we have to relabel all the maps that are made? Many airplanes could not fly (with older instrumentation). Thankfully, GPS should still work..
Here's the main point of the article for those too lazy to click and read:
If the pole follows its present course, it will pass north of Alaska and arrive in Siberia in a half century, but Newitt cautioned that such predictions could prove wrong. "Although it has been moving north or northwest for a hundred years, it is not going to continue in that direction forever. Its speed has increased considerably during the past 25 years, and it could just as easily decrease a few years from now," the geophysicist said. The erratic pole can jump around considerably each day, but migrates on average about 10 kilometers to 40 kilometers each year.
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All your poles belong to us now.
So long and thanks for all the fish . . . !!!
Can we blame it ?
First the Canadian dollar heads south, then the north pole heads north.
Soon enough our beer will start tasting like that weak, watery American beer.
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Forget about drift, just wait until they flip! (i.e. the magnetic north pole becomes the magnetic south pole.) IIRC, this change happens on a timescale near 70,000 years or so. You'd have to read your compass bass-ackwards, and what would it do to the poor homing pigeons? Of course, your nifty GPS will be ok.
...post comments about the conception part, and watch 50% or more of posts go on about their kids being conceived there, shagging in ice and all that.
The CNN article, apart from giving fodder to go on about Arctic Sex, is uninteresting. Nothing scientific about it, just pure, watered down, stretched out simple fact.
You could write it like this:
The North Pole is moving. People might go and look at it. Some even conceive there.
That's it.
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Oh no! why is santa moveing?
I can only think that the frigid temperatures would make conceiving a baby more difficult. Although I guess Eskimos do it, so it might work. Is this just a yuppy thing? It must be pretty expensive to charter a plane and everything. Is there a company which specializes in this?
The Mag Pole is moving all the time. There is absoutely no way to predict for certain where it may go next.
..."
Apparently CNN takes pure speculation as predicting the future. It could just as easily end up in Atlanta, or (as has happened before in Earth's history) abruptly switch polarity and end up in Chile or the South Pole.
"... The honeymooners did not make the trip, but other couples, also believing that the location nurtures fertility, have chartered small planes to the forbidden spot, set up tents on the ice and conducted their business.
Umm, that's "forbidding", not "forbidden". Go there anytime ya want.
What - 5, 6? Perhaps a dozen a season? On a planet of 6 billion folks that's "many"? That isn't even a lot compared to any other notable location: How many kids have been conceived within a few km of Niagara Falls by honeymooners? Or what about all of the Asian folks intentionally born in supposedly "lucky" years?
By the way, for only having 200 fulltime inhabitants tourism is a major industry in Resolute Bay with 4 hotels, several charter airline services and a number of tour operators. That the occasional couple decides gave a go at it near the magnetic pole is hardly surprising nor are the numbers unexpected.
I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
I guess that would be one chilly willy?
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You know what?
It has been drifting nothward for decades
This line just hits me as inherently funny, given the subject.
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ACs posted even stupider comments including the word stupider...
I KNOW, I KNOW...magnetic vs. true, etc. But its still funny
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They even have an ISP up in Nunavut...in fact Wired had an article about net access up there in the permafrost.
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What is wrong with you Americans? Every civilized person knows that Santa lives in Lapland, Northern Finland. So Nokia and Linux are not Finland's only gifts to the world.
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Topographical map makers are shipping insane amounts of magnets to the North Pole to cause the magnetic pole to move in a desperate attempt to sell a few new maps before GPS takes over.
You know, I have never heard anyone but East Coasters or Minnesotans say "about" as "aboot", and the fact that this stereotype perpetuates boggles the mind, especially as applied to a country of ten million square km and thirty+ million people. Eh is in common use throughout North America, but again you'll find it more commonly used in Minnesota than in Canada. I have a feeling that when the executive at WNC (Whatever Network Corporation) got his profile of "stereotypes that define Canada", he was actually in Minnesota but was a little confused by the snow into thinking it was Canada.
Anyways, I gotta go out and shovel the "ruff" of my igloo.
No, thats a jack Santa in Finland. The Finnish government placed him there so you guys would feel important.
Informative post! The next item to consider is the political/racketeering question:
So, how long will it be until the "environmentalists" (the static earth variety) begin bugging the hell out of us for money, strongarming corporations and governments, and shouting that "anybody that does not see the connection between magnetic polar drift and [insert some human activity] is a fool/Republican/Facist" etc, etc?
All so that they can take summer "environmental conciousness" trips to the latest location of the pole. Just like the Greeanpea$e camp in Antartica, to "protest human defilement of Antartica" and to "keep an eye on the other camps there".
Yes, trying to make human activity responsible for this is rediculous, just as nutty as blaming human activity for normal heating and cooling trends.
So what, does this mean "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer" is now just "Rudolph the Red"?
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Will this make it harder to see Northern Lights in Canada, and easier to see them in Siberia?
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
...on like, migratory patterns for birds and stuff? Don't they depend on the Earth's magnetic field for navigation?
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...how people are going to be able to blame it on Bill Clinton.
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"thirty+ million people"
You call that a country? Down here we call that California.
Sheesh, we kill more people with drunk drivers every year than that!
Perhaps the most interesting part of the story (which really is only a small part at the end) is that many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children.
Well heck yeah it is. Obsolete maps are no-where near as cool as magnetic children!
...walking under ladders, etc.
Walking under ladders is bad luck - you are increasing the probability that something will fall on you. If the guy on the ladder is going to drop his bucket of paint, you'll be less likely to be splattered if you aren't walking under his ladder at the time. Not to mention that walking under his ladder may cause him to spill the paint.
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With the taxes on digital storage I would leave Canada too.
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Funny how desperate yuppie couples could figure out something that is explicitly warned against as an activity to attract bears.
Yup, bears can smell the scent of sex for long distances and it's one of the things to be wary of in bear country while camping.
Hopefully this will chlorinate the gene pool.
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Could it be their beady little eyes?
many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children
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That Norweigen prick who killed that girl at the Hockey game deserves to be castrated. Today would have been the girl's 13th birthday. I saw we string him up.
then it will lose the protections of the Digital Privacy Act at that time.
Maybe it might want to accelerate the jump to Russia - I hear they have stronger privacy laws than we in the US have.
Also, any plans afoot by Microsoft to claim rights to it under DCMA once it enters US soil?
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how all the Chicken Little liberals blame this on global warming.
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many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children.
Many couples are pretty stupid.
I've seen comments about the poles reversing every 10,000 years.
:P
I've seen comments about the poles reversing every 70,000 years.
I've seen comments about the poles reversing every 1,000,000 years.
Aren't we a well-educated bunch?
Don't pay attention to what they say the reasons are. It's the taxes.
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"Perhaps the most interesting part of the story (which really is only a small part at the end) is that many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children."
IS THAT SO THEY HAVE A MAGNETIC PERSONALLITY?!?!??!?!
HEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHEHHEHE
I never thought canadians knew which way north was?
you just wait! It will come back eventually. They all do. It will need to take advantage of that socialised medicine when it gets old and neglected (due to the shift to true north available via GPS)
So, If I'm standing on the magnetic north pole, and the pole moves away from me, which way is it moving?
so does this mean that near resolute, kanada, your compass is just going to go haywire, like when you're near loadstone? do the topographic maps show magnetic north pointing due south above of resolute, kanada?
do gps handheld units use a digital compass based on a floating iron point? or do they recieve gps cordinates and derive your direction from that somehow?
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The exact cause is unknown at this time, but Al Gore and several environmentalist groups are scrambling to find a way to blame it on SUVs.
Damn those SUVs!
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From what I've read, every time the poles have shifted there has been a great period of mutation/evolution, since the magnetic shield that protects us from solar radiation is weakend or dissappears completely until the pole settles into its new position. I think the next one or two generations will find out for sure :)
I don't have an sources to link to of the top of my head, anyone else?
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However, it is interesting to note that during that during the reversal process, the Earth's magnetic field collapses in on itself and, for a brief time, stops. It then starts again and expands, only with a reversed polarity. The Earth's magnetic field, the magnetosphere, is responsible for protecting us from harmful cosmic radiation, particularly the Sun's Solar Wind. During the time that the magnetosphere is down, two main things will be affected: communication and navigation. How affected may depend on the effectiveness of Global Positioning System Sats and radio / telecommunication equipment during the period.
I'm a geology major, so the information that I have in referrance to Pole Reversal is relative to tracking continental drift, plate tectonics, etc. I haven't really read any studies on the possible environmental effects of solar wind and other cosmic radiation on an unprotected biosphere. If anybody has this info, I'd be interested.
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The North Magnetic Pole vas in Siberia, Keptin!
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Please don't tell NBC !!!
;)
Otherwise, they will convince god to give a magnetic north pole to both Russia and Canada.
(now, I can read the other posts to see how many people replied that
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If you were the magnetic pole, would you want to stay in Canada?
Even the Magnetic North Pole is leaving! :)
First it was Quebec, now it's the Magnetic North Pole.
When will these separations end?
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People come up here to conceive under the northern lights, apparently it brings good luck.
There's been many a cold northern night when I've sat under the aurora and listened to howling of wolves and the groans of Japanese tourists fucking their brains out.
"Quite honestly, eh, we are unsure what dis is all aboot", says Dr. Ock E. Puck.
"I doon't know why, but it's moving pretty fast now, eh"
Canada's government is making swift efforts to entice the pole to stay. Currently in the works are:
Tax-breaks for Tesla-enducing corporations
Affordable shielding programs
and a bill to allow for the marriage of poles of the same orientation.
Every 250,000 years or so, the whole thing reverses polarity. And it's winding down right now, which is possibly a sign that we're due for another one. Don't invest too heavily in homing pigeons. ;-)
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many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children
:)
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It must give the offspring a magnetic personality
It's thier flappy heads.
In a related story, the DoJ has uncovered corporate email from top executives in Microsoft indicating that the movement of the magnetic North Pole is part of a large-scale strategic initiative to corner the navigation software industry.
Bill Gates intends to migrate the Pole to Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, WA, at which point MS will claim corporate ownership of said pole.
Microsoft: We'll Tell Where to Go Today.
She prolly started packing her bags after the whole Olympics fiasco. I'm sure she's trying to find another country who has more of a positive media presence like say Eurasia?
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I once read that there is a possibility that both the Magnetic North Pole and South could change places. Is possible?
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many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children.
So that's why my m515 is always wiggin' out on me!
And my parents said that I was born in Jersey!
As with the sun's light
My mom was magnificent
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For a comparion of magnetic pole shift vs other theories of polar and crusty disturbance, check out this page which picks apart the psuedo science of it all. There are a lot of wacko theories on what pole shift means, and a lot of it is based on lack of evidence and mis-conceptions.
It is intereting to note that, the earth's core is rotating faster than the surface crust to begin with.
There is this concern: The magnetic field acts as a shield against solar particles, etc. No field = no shield. Weak field = weak shield. This could be an issue with solar flares. Some folks are concerned that the field may be in the process of failing
Also, if the poles were to flip suddenly, many creatures that navigate magnetically could be affected. A full magnetic reversal could cause massive ecological problems across the whole of the Earth. If this took place slowly enough, each generation of creatures would learn to navigate with its' current situation.
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Did anybody else notice that in the bear photo in the article that the chunk of ice in the lower right corner which obscures part of the bear looks like it was drawn by somebody. It looks like they wanted to obscure part of the bear for some reason. Now, why would anybody want to do that?
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Dear, take me to the pole!
Maybe he'll get over being a dual citizen like me after a few years. Since the North Pole will be in Alaska soon.
A warning though - the US is still the only country in the world not to use metric, all the dollars are the same color, and they don't use the u in words like colour or spell centre correctly.
On the plus side, he can cut back on all those bilingual training courses - but he might want to pick up some Spanish just in case.
And it might take longer to make Rudolph's nose red - the beer, cider, and wine down here is awful weak to Canadian tastes.
Wonder if he'll have any problems with the NAFTA and Free Trade forms - occupation: Santa - is that a professional skill?
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If the north pole is constantly moving, what effect does this have on the South pole?
Assuming that the poles attempt to stay the same relative distance apart from each other. Might it be possible to get a location on the Magnetic South pole and, in turn, determine the location of the Magnetic North pole?
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...it's too bloody cold. It probably wants a trip somewhere warm. Perhaps a short stay in the south of france or something.
Is it shifted from its current position?
I suppose poles should shift symmetrically against center of Earth.
many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children.
I've met some people who were conceived at the North Pole. None of them seemed to have any direction in life.
From the great generating facilities in our hydroelectric plants to the tiniest servo in children's toys, our fascination with electric power that has led to these global changes must end.
How can we in good conscience continue the use of these technologies, fully knowing their effect on our grandchildren?
When the Canadians heard that the North Pole was going to the Russians, there was a tremendous public outcry. To resolve the problem, the judges have announced that the North Pole will be awarded to BOTH the Russians and the Canadians. The Russians are justifiably pissed. They say that the meaning of the North Pole will be diminished if there are two of them.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
Oh, wait. Once again this is just a natural phenomenon. Sorry.
One of his favorite examples was that people don't understand gravity, and they don't understand magnetism, so UFOs must be powered by gravity engines.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
Not only is the pole shifting from a spot just North of Resolute, Canada,...
... well... everywhere? I mean, you can't be more North than being on the North pole - *everything* is south of it. Don't you remember that joke: "If you walk a mile to the south, a mile to the east, and a mile to the north, come back to where you started, and see a bear, what color is it?"
Shouldn't the north pole be "just North" of
I could imagine the Canadians say, "I woonder if the Noorth poole will be sooth of oos tomoroow, eh?"
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...of being tarriffed as Magnetic (Storage) Media.
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You know, oblivion keeps looking better every day.
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Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
What do they expect if they keep increasing taxes on magnetic media? The magnetic north pole is obviously going to want to move to somewhere cheaper, like Siberia.
So if the north pole moves over my backyard, can I sell tickets to people who want to visit it, or will it be public domain?
So when are geese gonna start flying North for the Winter?
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First the doctors, then the nurses, then the software engineers, now the North Pole.
Looks like EVERYONE who can is leaving Canada.
Predictably, Jean Chretien denies that anything is wrong in any way whatsoever, and that more poles are MOVING to Canada than are leaving, resulting in a net pole gain.
Of course, the Canadian Post Office are probably relieved by this - in a few years letters addressed to "Santa Claus" will no longer go to Canada Post - they'll be Siberia's problem. The Union is overjoyed! Less work! But they'll still strike for more money, mind.
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does this mean we'll have a kewl place to congregate and put together some anti-dmca software, and make a few little hackers while we're at it?
Good God! I just realized -- we could lose the Santa Claus Toy Manufacturing plants as well!
The ignominy of it all.
Seriously, there is a periodic flip of the magnetic poles and it is not impossible that we might see the North Pole head south sometime within our lifetimes.
Of course with GPS this will probably matter a whole lot less than it once did.
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"Many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children." ?????
Sure makes for a strange connection with those infamous sex-tours of Asia...
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we're just marketing. marketing our bad attitudes.
But most maps use true north, not magnetic north.
funny post :-)
to the point but oh so mean...
cheers
The compass needle points with its north pole end to the geographic north pole. IIRC, you call this end of the needle its "north pole" and mark it with an "N". Therefore, the magnetic pole in the northern hemisphere has to be a south pole, magnetically speaking.
No shit! Nobody is disputing that. The problem comes when you apply a map/chart to a real life situation. How are you supposed to find the direction of true north without a compass? To figure out which way true north is, one must take the compass bearing and apply the variation correction. Without a variation correction on a chart, then nobody would be able to use it properly because the chart could be oriented any way and nobody would know which way is what.
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Yeah, and most maps that are used also include the current magnetic deviation, which DOES change with this.
Unfortunatly the north poll is always down, so a compass isn't of much use. But at least it is stable.
Northern Minnesota (which is why MN has that bump, the surveyers got lost), and UP Michigian are two places I know where this effect happens. I'm sure there are more.
Um, Polaris is still a pretty good indicator, so it can be done without a compass or GPS, btu I agree, USGS topo map declinations need to be changed.
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>I just wonder what makes ppl think that the pole is special enough to conceive their children there.
>Magnetic fields, like electric fields, are the modern equivalent of leprechauns, fairies, and demons
Don't the wee folk get upset when you have sex on them?
And then take the pole to me!
Pity all the new agers out there who are into "magnet therapy". This will probably mess them up but good.
Um, Polaris is still a pretty good indicator
What happens when it is daytime, cloudy or you are in a light saturated location? Even if you can see it, it is impractical if you are traveling soley by compass. I do a lot of sailing and I can tell you, Polaris is not very useful unless for celestial navigation.
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You Hoser.
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sorry, when I say "traveling soley by compass" I really mean a situation where you cannot see properly and use an instrument for direction finding. It would not be practical to do this because every time one would need to change direction slightly they would have to orient themselves with polaris as a reference.
Buying a Dell computer is equivalent to dropping the soap in a prison shower.
Not only is the pole shifting from a spot just North of Resolute, Canada
The North Pole is just North of Resolute? No shit.
I dunno about you guys, but I can procreate anywhere, as long as its somewhere/someone I never have to see again=)
Both my girlfriend and I have been "fixed". Will it work for us?
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if the redundant positioning system requires power, it aint gonna do you a shit of good if the plane you're flying has an electrical failure. i'll keep my magnetic compass, thanks.
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Consult your local atlas for details.I want to put a crystal pyramid right over the magnetic pole, and rent it out to fuzzy-minded couples.
I've heard in several places things about scientists creating magnetic feilds hundreds of times, thousands of times, millions(?) of times stronger than the earth's magnetic feild.
If we suddenly lose our feild, couldnt we use those same technologies to just re-activate the thing? And what the hell causes that, anyway? I've never heard of Bar-Magnets suddenly reversing..
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I couldn't help noticing that nobody seems to have mentioned the amazing coincidence of the words 'procreation' and 'North Pole'. Somehow http://www.peternorth.com/ just comes to mind. Speaking of the Oscars, shouldn't North be honored for his wooden delivery and amazing facial expressions? This is sad. My first slashdot post. Embarrassing.
And, the notion that magnetic north doesn't need to be marked anymore because we don't need it for navigation is false even if it's true that we really don't need it for navigation anymore. Navigation isn't the only reason to bother keeping track of where magnetic north is. It's a scentifically interesting phenomenon to study, and it's real geographical information so why not put it on a map.
After all, I don't really need to know what the shape of Baffin Island in Northern Canada is, since I'll never be going there, yet there it is, marked on the map? Why? Because the purpose of a map is to show you the geography that's really there, not *just* the subset of it that you find useful. Marking where magnetic north is on a map might not be as useful anymore, but that doesn't mean it should be removed from the map. If the map only contained things I actually found useful, it would be a very vague map. It wouldn't bother telling me, for example, what the ocean depths are, since I'm not going down there.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
They're not generating magnetic fields the size earth generates. We would all probably end up living under dome cities.
and the magnetic pole is can drift northwards to the real geographic north pole.
And concerning climate the magnetic field is not important (only a bit maybe because it affects how solar winds hit earth).
The axis of the Earth goes thrue the geographic pole.
Martin
PS: I wasnt really sure if youre post is irony or not, but i wanted to make this clear
I want to put a crystal pyramid right over the magnetic pole, and rent it out to fuzzy-minded couples.
(Repost because I got my password wrong the first time.)
The article says:
> Although it has been moving north or
> northwest for a hundred years,
How can the north pole move even more "north" than where it is?
i conceive children with my north pole up in north pole, but i have birds flying due south to carry them to people's front door. ironic isnt it...
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GPS units can tell you your position with great accuracy, but they don't tell you which way north (or any other direction) is. To do that, you need a compass.
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Original article headline:
North Magnetic Pole could be leaving Canada
Slashdot article headline:
North Pole is leaving Canada
In other news little green men wre seen to be buying scuba gear. Local tabloids say its was a small invasion of martians and was dismissed.
Santa was quoted "Well I'm already wearing red so no problem"
Rudolf was caught buying a extra fur coat saying "Ya know, brass monkeys and all that."
Sleds with pontoon sales also rose.
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Does this mean Santa Claus has to move?
Can I get an eye poke?
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The fact that the magnetic north pole is leaving Canada is the only thing interesting about this. The magnetic north pole ALWAYS changes. Ever used a terrain map with twelve digit grid coordinates? Any highly accurate map will have both a compass arrow for north as well as magnetic north. These maps get replaced routinely every couple of years due to the shifting of magnetic north.
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How would a culture that didn't have good medicine at the time even *know* that the radiation was causing problems? People must have been dying from undiagnosed health problems all the time anyway, even before the extra radiation.
All we can tell from the evidence really, is that humans survived the event, and that it didn't create a massive dip in population reproduction. That still leaves open the possiblity that people had shortened lifespans during that time (but lived long enough to procreate), and possibly had very painfully unhealthy conditions to contend with.
It takes a heck of a lot of radiation to cause total sterility. As long as that hasn't happened, the race can continue under conditions of extra solar radiation, but it won't be pleasant (and could lead to extra mutations, and thus the possible creation of more human races.)
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
The real (axis or rotation) north pole is in no country. It's in international waters - or international "ices" to be more precise.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
a spot just North of Resolute, Canada
That's Resolute, Nunavut.
Saying "Resolute, Canada" is like saying "Detroit, USA"
weather.com lists 6 entries for "Detroit"
I don't know why the whole concept of provinces/territories escapes you people. Must be because we didn't call them "states"
A lot of animals have navigation senses that depend on magnetism, birds and fish for example.
How would they handle a collapse followed by a flip of the magnetic poles.
By a changed behavior and moving patterns, massive decrease in numbers and entire species going extinct? (Obviously some individuals would survive since it has happened before and most existing species has already survived it at least once.)
How would this upset the rest of the ecosystem?
Would these disturbances be drastic enough to affect mankind?
Or should I stick to worrying about the increased cosmic radiation during the initial field collapse...
"First lesson," Jon said. "Stick them with the pointy end."
It's old and been in Canada a very long time. It may be headed for Siberia but it's really just lost on it's way to Miami.
Somebody should give it directions. I don't think its compass is working properly.
Need Mercedes parts ?
(* Perhaps the most interesting part of the story ....is that many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children. *)
Hmmmmm. Market for magnetic condoms? Claim it works better than Viagra. New spam headline:
"Try Our Magnet Condums At The Magnetic Pole! Increases Ejaculation 600 Percent!"
"....And Your Babies Stick To The Fridge! Never Need Crib!"
Table-ized A.I.
I can't even get my gf to do it in the kitchen.
......... when the fuck did slashdot get ads right in the middle of articles?
stephen
Besides radiation poisoning and mutation. (Humans popped up during the last reversal) Pole reversal results also in plankton swiming down instead of up. Plankton die off for a long period of time. Food chain is broken. Planet also goes into ice age during phytoplankton die offs, because phytoplankton manage most of the atmospheric gases.
Republicans just don't do satire well.
because I am trying really hard to be a good boy. Really.
You mean this isn't legit?
LOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGG We always do this kind of work in May. We need frozen conditions so that we can land an airplane anywhere on ice or snow, but not so cold that it is impossible to work outdoors," Newitt said. what no funding.. the us can think up a mars observer to travel thousands of miles in space only to crash but they can't fund scientist studying our own magnetic axis? No offence meant to NASA in anyway since I'm sure that the mars surveyor etc... and I'm not a rocket scientist so I'll say they know what they are doing better than me but anyway why don't they take the human need out of the study? they made hover boards in 1960 didn't they... there might be a problem with that but hope everyone who actually reads understands what I am trying to say. It's doesn't make sense that magnetic poles don't have effects on humans.. there are personal gravamagnetic if that is the world for every object and any fields when in contact which one another will have an effect I think but I'm not even a highschool graduate and don't really know phsyics but if the feilds nuture the human body and cell growth etc.. cellular mitosis and repairs etc then the poles stronger field would have an effect on the growth of cells I would think but I guess CNN would know better so I thought I would atleast speak my mind and get the educated peoples to correct my errors in thought. "Most, if not all, topographic maps have the difference between True north and magnetic north noted on them. This is so that people navigating by compass don't get lost. If the magnetic pole is moving that fast, then the maps are going to have to be updated much more frequently." topography changes constantly with the tectonic plates anyway the magnetic pole I believe is just the planetary inter solar system cross effect which is made by system to system feilds and the oh I know nothing but the geographic north and the magnetic north as outlined are two seperate points ... since the planet is not a perfect sphere there isn't a true north anyway atleast one point that is always there actually everything is in contstant motion at every moment on all levels the solar system is moving the planet is moving the fields that we are locked in are constantly changing not only this but we are also chaning the wieghting of the planet or distribution on both a natural and artificial level but really every thing is well everything is at a consant(posibly) and we know that there is movement on a teretrial and interterestrial level.. we(I) do not know if it is a patern however it could be though we tend to see things as cyclic when in fact we can never actually know because we can't account for all time and never can. Simple logics are used however cause it brings order oh Im getting way off topic anyway I think its neat that the pole is changing however what I'm wondering if it is effected by the polar ice glaciers melting and altering the weight distribution since the water mooves to the equatorial regions I think Im not sure about that but an object spinning I would think that the stuff would go to the central point like a bucket spun over your head filled with water. So if the magnetic center is shifting then that would mean that the axis is shifting force oh thats gravity isn't it not magnetics oh nevermind.
"You and your inbred, half-wit family suck ass!!"
uhm all families are imbred Imbreading is just a social stigma.. which I have but anyway..
"movement has always been unpredictable"
nothing is unpredictable you just need points of refernace (and lots of coffee..not really but I'm trying to start trying to be funny)
I also wanted to say... isn't there many magnetic feilds... and points of higher magnetics.. aswell as minerals.. maybe the siberians are building large stockpiles of cobalt nuclear weapons which is changing the feild or the metal gnomes like magnetic goelms are building a huge underground labrotory to do expreiments on the caputure morlocks... uhh or it could just be that the magnetic lightning rods are changing places such as the mining in sudbury and depletion of the nickle.. nickle is magnetic right... so mabye the change in mangetic grounders is causeing the field to shift so that human gorging of the planet is causing gaia to flya toward siberia or maybe its the huge secrect weapons project on that island off of the coast of japan that godzilla was originally from and that the nuclearmagnetic nutreano bombs(mortars) are causing a feild ripple which is sucking the axis closer to the detonation point...
"also, you can make a compass [thinkquest.org] using a bowl of still water, a blade of grass, and a small sliver of ferrous metal. (like the hand of a watch) "
you watched that movie too?
what I don't get is how do people actually get lost? and why you would need to use orientation to go places don't they have roads everywhere now.
"Those without electricity to run GPS devices."
solar/windup/baterypacks
"Suppose that your batteries run down, or your generator breaks down, or the GPS device you're using doesn't have a hand crank. I bet you'd really like to know the difference between true north and magnetic north right about then. " Sun moon constelations
"Suppose the U.S. goes to war in the near future with a country who is not vastly overwhelmed by our military might. If I was in charge of a war effort in such a country, (China for example, which may happen depending on how we handle the 'War on Terrorism'), I would make a point of using missiles to eliminate the network of GPS sattellites in order to confuse and confound my enemies."
hahahhhhahhahha war... war doesn't exist anymore only political support people can kill whoever they want now adays .. that is unless something is self contained and unkown or in space behind the moon. If I was leader of a country invade by a force I couldn't beat I would say here you win and at the same time tell my underground and trusted people to start plotting the 6999 year long guerilla war effort after poisoning there water supplies by having immagration infiltrate their civil dependancies etc.. etc.. but I don't beleive in killing or war it doesn't exist only nice people and mean people exist now honestly If I wanted I could destory every government in the world but thats not a nice thing to do. Just that smart people tend to know that anything is posible and smarter people know not to let people know your smart and the smartest people well I got no clue. Down the list less smart poeple think they know smart and smarter and the smartest people while really not smart people relize that itellegence and smartness doesn't exist just a really fucked up reality so why not have another. its funny how people can believe in something they can't prove and have no facts about just assumption or propagation lifes funny that way sometimes.
"And in response to the grandparent of this post, good luck hitting any LEO satellite with a missle. That's like trying to shoot a fly at 5000 yards with a .44. Talk about a feat! A more effective anti-satellite weapon would probably be a railgun (a real railgun) capable of hurling millions of particles of dust sized shrapnel at insane speeds in the general vacinity of the target satellite -- if they'd ever finish the development of the weapon.."
why take out a satelitte??? what the point I don't want to threaten national or gto type powers but it should be obvious the redudancy
"The GPS was consistently off by at least 30 meters. That may not sound like a lot, but when you are calling for direct fire, 30 meters is the difference between wiping out the enemy and wiping out your squad or platoon"
why wouldn't you just use laser designation in ranges that close(dual point) not sure if the technology exist yet but its that one that sends the signal to the target then you send the signal to the aircraft with the tool as the way point etc.. the relation in x1,y1 x2,y2 x3,y4
either that or throw a grenade or a mortal or let loose with a rapid fire weapon or a canister of gas or use your snipers to hit them with tranquilizes or just put up a white flag or have one unarmed persona walk there under guise or not that is ofcourse if opostion isn't on shoot to kill orders or something really war sucks and is outdated even at risk of someone actually reading this and being in the military .. it is the military that causes the worlds problems that and buisness of selfish intrest since the military states I will kill for what I beleive and selfish buisness states the survival of the buisness outweighs all else.. really the last people that I should in anyway be attacking but I'm not as smart as them(I thought of a joke of parlay) but I guess the world isn't a perfect place and these are the people that aparently are protecting societies intrest and I have no proof either way since I have proof of nothing.
the us has no buisness with china.. china in asia us in north america pacific ocean between internatinal dateline I wish everyone would just say ok this is the world ideal from now on and get on with it then you know do that social progression thing you know the ultimate representation of social powers forming the concept for social progression .. it takes a bigstrong man to say I'm the leader it takes a bigger man to say ok your the leader and still lead.(I'm sure something will make sense eventually)
"No, its us humans doing it. We're destroying the environment, and now were causing the poles to move at unprecedented rates,"
I personally think its microsoft windows xp causes huge magnetic shifts in the space time continu um.
"Just think if we got a big'ol solid block of steel hoovering over it. Everybody run! The Pole is comming, the pole is comming!!! "
just think that in the early period of the earth it was encased in a metalic shell cause by compression of hydrogen and that the origianl megnetic field is just a overlaying representaion of some of those effect.. not really but really
"What happens when it is daytime, cloudy or you are in a light saturated location? Even if you can see it, it is impractical if you are traveling soley by compass. I do a lot of sailing and I can tell you, Polaris is not very useful unless for celestial navigation."
landmarks and nightplotting using lowlight goggles or flares or a really strong flashlight... acutally... hmmm
what about using tectonic indicators or airflow and and radio or even radio waves... yah radio waves... anywave really as long as it is not disrupted by something else
"sorry, when I say "traveling soley by compass" I really mean a situation where you cannot see properly and use an instrument for direction finding. It would not be practical to do this because every time one would need to change direction slightly they would have to orient themselves with polaris as a reference."
you should when lost in the woods and people know your out hug a tree(you should make sure it is a really sexy tree though otherwise you might feel unfullfilled)if no one knows your out then start walking in a strait line leaving broken tree brances as you go(unless you are an enviromentalist)if you hit a river or stream follow the stream if you are somewhere really really big .. your screwed(you can always take up dandrofelia) unless you are a survivalist or something and in that case just build a log cabin and start your own tool and dye operation set up a trasistor thingy make your own company to rival intell and make a species of robot intellegence thingies to do your biddings..
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"there are things that a compass can do (gasp!) that gps can't, like taking bearings off of other objects to figure out what they are on the map and the inverse, plotting courses from the map and sighting them to the real world."
I can understand what your saying but cross referencing a few different databases and a handheld navagation tool can replace the maps really cost effectiveness is another issue but if you can teach someone how to point something or how to point something .... I think that since computer technologies are becoming more engrained in society the progression of applications may be on par now but with more proding will excede traditional methods. So essentially it will be more usefull although cost with our current social barriers will hinder true freedom of technology aswell as strong training methods
"and then there's the whole nature/tech separation which is the whole reason people go outside in the first place, to get away from the gadgets. i don't even like tripping with my watch"
I can see what your saying but I don't get it personally I like the outdoors to be with nature what the difference between a technological compas and a microcomputer? its all psychological but I guess thats cool whatever you enjoy right I like the birds the smell and the tranquility especially lakes lakes are really nice. personally it is the pairing of the best aspects of technology with the peace of nature. I think that we will go full circle however to the point where technology will no be seen but we will live with nature
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"GPS units can tell you your position with great accuracy, but they don't tell you which way north (or any other direction) is. To do that, you need a compass." I'm suprised that there isn't autocompases built into gps.. you know reading the thingie and showing it jsut like gps but it has an arrow saying north.. or an arrow saying south.. etc... or hell you could even do all of the directions... eh?
or just use multipoint gps refrenceing with a point location stating which ones are where which would allow you to determine north and south just simple math stuff I would think I could be wrong though
"I'd probably be bored of canada after a few eons too. "- how rude! "THough I hear the beer is good."- forgiven
"One of his favorite examples was that people don't understand gravity, and they don't understand magnetism, so UFOs must be powered by gravity engines."
actually I thought ufo's were made from electro magnetic cores and use a slingshot and energy collection and dispurtion system.. really simple cores I still dont get interstellar flight thought and how they travel between systems I'm guessing that another system is used although ever since 1967 its been phased out by reality warps that is altering the position in the space continu um. efectively teleproting
"Or the paranoid delusion that an invisible, omnipotent man is watching you whilst you engage in the process of expelling feces. "
that was just unfair to add to my warped sense of reality.. thanks..
"Though it has nothing to do with magnetic poles, it is true that sperm production in the testes can be aided by cooler temperatures."
Hmm I thought a body temerature had to be maintained thats why the scrotum retracts closer to the body when cold is encountered... your not trying to do the equivelant of press ctrl-alt-del to win the million dollars thing for people wanting to procreate are you?
For some reason I feel like this is some vast plot to lure candians to warmer weather...
"Blame Cananada!
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 20, @01:00PM (#3195011)
"thirty+ million people"
You call that a country? Down here we call that California.
Sheesh, we kill more people with drunk drivers every year than that!
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Re:Blame Cananada!
by lposeidon (jpg_biker&hotmail,com) on Wednesday March 20, @03:37PM (#3196045)
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callifornia??? hell thats sound more like los angeles. or there aboot.
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Lizard "Never let them set limits on your mind!" >bastards100 "
I'm starting to think cities are just alien projects to see how many mad persons you can pack into a tight density well not really mmm nevermind
"So, if the north pole is shifting that far, that fast... will the Canadian children see any change in Santa's normal delivery schedule? I can only assume he'd be a little later than normal, seeing as how Siberia is quite a flight from Northern Canada."
your right we might have to redraft rocky and bul.. can't spell it but you know who I'm talkin about to save the day uhj no.. hmm ehh
I think Ive wathced too much mike bullard :_)
"In fact, Santa doesn't live at North Pole at all, but in Finnish Lapland [santatelevision.com]. How he manages to deliver all those toys in one night is a mystery, but I doubt it would be affected much by his physical starting point anyway since he must move pretty fast."
maybe he's using the same alien space folding technology.. my parents told me santa isn't real and that I got presents cause they love me ...is this true or were they lying to me..?
"The pole does not move in more traditional manets, but the earyth's liquid core might provide an answer."
I thought the earths core was a mini star like all the otehr planets or read a gas core... really just a concentration of nucleaur unergy that is the depostis of what was left when the solar pangea broke apart the ones that were smaller stars burnt themselves out faster leaving dead stars the planets have been cooling since which is what caused the cores to start solidifying or cause rocks etc... when the liqud core cooled when the heat disapated it cause a air or rather magnaouseus core to be formed.. later in the case of earth a super condensed asperoid which was almsot entirely hydrogen also a cooled star hit earth causing the hydroshield to be formed in space... which was actually hydrogen which oh nevermind
"How, exactly, can the North Pole drift northward?
Seems like it would be more accurate to say that Siberia is drifting northward and North America is drifting southward.
WE HAVE TO STOP THIS NOW! At this rate, North America will be South America, environmentalists will be warning about the dangers we face when the Jamaican ice sheets collapse, and Australia will be located somewhere near the moon."
most of the plates are drifting to the northern axel eventually it will all connect again its the way that our solar system is in relation to others we are drifting north.. eventually our axis will shift .. bigtime
"And concerning climate the magnetic field is not important (only a bit maybe because it affects how solar winds hit earth)."
what about interplanetary magnetics causing shifts in the rotation route around the sun a slight variation cause by change in planetary magnetics would shift this minutely because of how the magnetic feilds are interconecting.. eh eh .. never thought about that one did ya remember elnino... ehhhh I'm smarter than you are I'm smarter than you are nan nanann nan na na .. you suck YOU SUCK !!!! hahahha hahhaha yoi.. I don't know what happened... j/k eh? we can still be friends can't we :))/ big j/k
thats it eureka... santa uses magnetic fields to travel the earth so quickly... its all so obvious he has the speical ability to use magnetic curents actually he can turnhimself into a magnetic current aswell and the sleigh he uses is made of cobalt which is what radiated the reindeer in that area with the ability to fly aswell... it all makes sence.. its becomeing more and more clear...
"ouch. i bet you had dreams of +5 Funny. swing and a miss."
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ouch. i bet you had dreams of +5 Funny. swing and a miss.
end loop
maybe it is breakup of ices which house mineral contents
etc..
"15 seconds of Google research will tell you that the pole reversal is thought to take 1000 years or so to complete. So it's not like you'll wake up some morning and magnetic North will suddenly be South."
I thought it was dependant upon globabl warming or rather the melting of the polar icecaps caused by ozone depletion and sheilding waterlevels etc.. rising cauing change in distribution also nuclear testing etc... also for the sake of green peace and not done in really really bad taste but atleast to raise awarness so even though I may be any way lets just say it aresol and whaling.. yup also sealing and mistreatment of foreign natinionals in lower tenesee.
"Or Maybe that's what really killed off the dinosaurs."
we are the dinasaurs(in my best mstical voice).. over many generations and interpbreading with monkeys.. don't ask anyway....
"Oh come on, the magnetic field doesn't block high energy particles, it only deflects them. So a particle that was going to hit you doesn't hit you, and a particle that *wasn't* going to hit you *does* hit you. It's pretty useless overall."
but if it diverts entire particle streams then the effect would be much more .. really I know nothing
"huge numbers of particles now enter the Earth's magnetosheath (atmosphere, etc.)."
what those sent by satalites....L:_)
"It takes a heck of a lot of radiation to cause total sterility. As long as that hasn't happened, the race can continue under conditions of extra solar radiation, but it won't be pleasant (and could lead to extra mutations, and thus the possible creation of more human races.)"
yah but now we have cloning.. its all a plot to have all humans born out of area51part8(the genetics center) when radiation gets high enough we won't be able to have kids and when this happens a51p8 will be able to control human kind(thats another story completely)anyway it has to do with sun micro and packard bell aswella s the ascii-white comptuer systems... a. gore was against the plots so the hybrid aliens controling the reasearch project and eventual domination project rigged the elections and overthrew the remaining human supreme court judges...
"(Obviously some individuals would survive since it has happened before and most existing species has already survived it at least once.)"
not necisarily.... I think that unless it causes a change in the upper earth feilds strato etc.. and innerspace then people on the iss would survive... but the effects hmmm regardless I will survive everything and there is no way you can prove me wrong.. atleast to my face.
"Re:that's not bad "
hahhahhaha this is funny I think quite a few things would change. Im getting a headache.. disoreintation... bipaloarismblindness no sorry thats just the salt from all that pork.
hmm if it is magnetic feild cause by the core that means that there is a trend in core activity which would lead me to believe that the is a trend in solar system happening
anyone ever thing that the plannets are just represenations of time...
maybe the fields changed with arival of new planets or even that mysterious planet x causeing an overall change in system magnetics.
"Supposedly in many asian cultures, it is said that a child will have good luck if concieved under the northern lights. This is possibly why northern canada is a highly popular tourist destination among people from Japan."
maybe it is a power passed on for the feild engrains with the people of that land since it is japanese people concieveing of the field the field is going to them so that it can always be together.....
"I've seen comments about the poles reversing every 10,000 years.
I've seen comments about the poles reversing every 70,000 years.
I've seen comments about the poles reversing every 1,000,000 years.
Aren't we a well-educated bunch? :P"
I think its just that no one has knowingling lived over 9,999 years so no one can proove that polar flips have happened befor them since no .... well not exactly anyway to make a long story short no one has given me any definate inforation regarding actually past pollar shifts however there is eveid...tired how bout we say they happen at differing strenghts.. little ones every 10,000 years bigger ones at 70,000 and much larger ones at 1,000,000 years Im guessing we are due for the next one in less than 9 years among other things. yah I should be bored by then.
"You missed 250.000" ok there are four..
"The interval is highly non-regular. According to this article [nasa.gov] from NASA, the interval varies between 5 thousand and 50 million years. So all of the different numbers posted would be reasonable guesses for an interval (the last was about 740,000 years ago according to the same article)."
ok
set yrvar@740,000
randomize yrrand
yrvar:th * yrrand
cause magnetic shift of pole
"Some folks are concerned that the field may be in the process of failing [eurekalert.org] "
personal I think that personal feilds feed off of the planets feild so since population is increasing the field overall is weakening ... a way of keeping population in check and species etc.. built into the planet is to cause shifting glaciation no sure exactly.
so maybe the feild isn't changing at all... everything else is changing..... so in that case natural boundries would be changing landwise and really the stuff wouldnt be....... I should sleep
hmm sooner