That is a good point about Redhat 8.0. Like it or not Redhat is the leading distro. Since Redhat is the face of linux(again deal with it), its about time that face was nice to look at.
One side effect of this will be interesting. Any distro that dares to put out a release without doing what Redhat did by making a nice desktop and fixing Open Office's fonts will suddenly be out of the running when linux distros get reviewed or cross-shopped. I'm glad Redhat raised the bar, but my advice to other distros is to fix their fonts or fade away. It doesn't matter how easy it may be to "fix" your ugly distro's fonts. There is NO excuse for that anymore and users shouldn't have to lift a finger to fix something so basic, so save your "simple fixes" for nerds who don't care about Out of Box aesthetics. Users have seen how nice linux can look with the right fonts, they simply won't stand for the subpar appearances anymore.
No offense to Konq but doesn't really measure up to either Mozilla or Phoenix. For quick and dirty web browsing it may be fine, but only a diehard kde user(and I am one) would think of saying it trumps Moz/Phoenix. Of course to each his own, but I think most people would disagree. I certainly don't feel the need to make a list, but if I did the fact that konq only runs on linux makes it a non-starter for both the majority of home users and of course corporate users who usually have a mix of windows, linux, and Macs.
Umm Intel was pushing USB long before Apple used it.
Also Apple gave away Darwin so they could get free R&D, and talk to me when a quicktime client is available for Linux.
I guess I won't bother mentioning that Apple is as suit happy as Disney as well. Oh well I did anyway.;)
Think a little harder on that and then post again.
I'm not expecting Apple to go completely OS anytime soon. But I'm sure a hell not going to forget their proprietary, suithappy past and start slapping them on the back just yet.
" There was a time, not long ago, where Apple made interesting, even innovative technology--but designed it so it worked only with its Macintosh hardware."
I guess if Apple was actually in the habit of coming up with cool gadgets year after year you might have a point. But the only possibly crossplatform gadgets I can think of that Apple has even innovated in the past 15 years are the newton and the ipod. So while it may be all well and good that the Ipod hasn't specifically been designed so it won't work in Windows or Linux, Apple mostly continues to be a computer maker not a inventor of new technology for all platforms. So again I'm just not sure what your point was since Apple really only makes computers, not hardware for every platform that we can all benefit from.
"It's great for the industry and many others that Apple is slowly crawling out of the mindset that all of their products must work strictly with a Mac."
One product (the ipod) doesn't mean much. Especially when you consider its not Apple themselves making it work with other platforms.
Sorry if I seem negative about this, but your whole post seems to try to give Apple credit for something they haven't earned. What you said is akin to sending congrats to MS because their mice are cross platform. Now you may be able to do so, but A) this wasn't intended and B) it represents a minority of MS's product line.
Hmm, an unsecured Server vs a firewalled workstation, I wonder why the linux box kept getting hacked...
A better comparison would have been using unprotected "out of the box" NT 4 server. Either way, no patch equals hack.
Lastly shame on you for knowingly exposing your "lab" to the internet unprotected. If you truly are an "old Unix hacker" just what the hell were you thinking A) not running some sort of firewall B) not updating your software? I really hope your weren't getting paid for your work.
"Unreal is the same. You shoot and kill and that's it."
And what exactly were you expecting? I find it hard to believe you were dumb enough not to download the pc demo and try the game out first before spending $50 on the xbox version.
"What they don't tell you is that taking your money is about all they're interested in. They care little for player complaints, and less about player suggestions and requests. They're in this to milk you for all you're worth, and that's the first thing you have to know."
Welcome to Reality. I hope you enjoy your stay.
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I'm not trying to put a damper on this, but lets not forget what happened in the past. I certainly remember hearing all sorts plans Mexico had for Linux. There were supposed to be millions of installs by now. Now its just remembered as one of Linux's higher profile failures. So while all the rah rah "let's embrace the underdog" talk is nice, get back to me linux hits >50% of the desktops.
If India is as important to the world of software as everyone says it is, Microsoft isn't just going to walk away. They'll throw a billion or two into PR, lobbying, software give-aways, and FUD before giving up. And then they'll throw in a billion more. Remember money IS the only thing that matters(carve that into your dorm room desk). The fact that MS is competing with something that can be downloaded for free doesn't change anything.
Bluecurve isn't a problem for the same reason that www.msn.com is the home page for most people. The newbie who your worried about won't ever switch from Gnome to KDE, so it won't make a dam bit of difference since they will only keep the default and never run into the problem. Those smart enough to know that a desktop environment besides Gnome is available will adapt.
The user who is new to linux just won't run into the problems your describing with Bluecurve. The problems they will run into are ones that are common to the linux desktop. I don't think I need to list the multitude of problems the linux desktop has, but suffice to say the minor differences between gnome and kde when using Redhat pales in comparison to the serious shortcomings that they will experience well before then.
"Now do you want to talk about buffer overruns in sendmail and named?"
Laughable that you would try to compare the billions of dollars in damage, yes billions, that MS desktop products cause as opposed to some SERVER daemons that aren't even installed on most linux desktops. His statement about viruses was correct, yours was in basketball terms a brick. Good try though, event he best MS lemming couldn't have put forth a better effort.
Not really. It certainly needs polishing, but it's hardly hackware. In fact if Apple put half a dozen engineers on it for a year, they'd have their own MS Office killer within a year.
"I'm trying to grasp your problem with New Jersey's ability to "control gun violence." Your state seems relatively safe to me (stat-wise)."
I'll get back to you when its 0. I guess for you 366 isn't enough to be concerned about. So when do you worry? 800, 3000, 10000? Sorry I don't live in a state with more gun deaths.
"but technology cannot protect everybody.
But maybe it can protect somebody. What just because this isn't a cure-all for gun violence you outright reject it?
"Less than 1% of all homicides among school-aged children (5-19 years of age) occur in or around school grounds or on the way to and from school. (Centers for Disease Control [cdc.gov], 1997)"
Again what's an acceptable loss? 1 is too many. If this even prevents 1 death of a family member playing with a gun I'm for it. How about if this prevents a rampage 5 years from now?
"I've never ran into a "gun nut" that thought people using firearms in aggressive manners did not deserve: a) an a$$ whopping and b) prosecuted."
I've never run into a gun nut who didn't think any attempt to make us safe from them is a threat to their liberty. Every time ANY effort is made to make the rest of us safe from guns, the gun owners squeal. Well I say too bad. If it takes a bit a experimenting to see what actually does lead to reduced gun violence,oh well, that's the price you pay for owning something that's designed only to kill.
Being a NJ resident I am happy to finally see SOMETHING/ANYTHING being done to control gun violence. I'm just surprised the NRA couldn't lobby its way out of this, although I'm sure they tried like hell.
Anyway, being that many deaths by firearm occur in the home I think this will help on two fronts. First if someone steals your gun(it happens) it will be temporarly worthless to them, ie they can't kill you if they get to the gun first. They also can't use it to kill anyone once they're out of your house. Second it can hopefully prevent little Johnny from A) blowing his friends head off by mistake and B) prevent him from bringing it to school and harming anyone.
Yea big deal, you can still buy guns out of state and existing firearms don't have the technology. No shit. If all goes well NJ in the future will probably have significantly fewer accidental gun deaths then other states. That sure as hell would make me happy.
Don't forget, gun violence in the home is a serious problem as that's actually more likely then some stanger shooting you if your a gun owner.
I just hope the technology works and this isn't somehow overturned by gun nuts.
Yea it sucks, why are they trying so hard?
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I mean what are they thinking? Trying to improve their product so quickly. Especially beta testing for a few months so that its as stable and bug free as they can make it. IMO they sould just wait till a few weeks before release, rush through a beta period, and then release it bugs and all. I know they make releases every six months, and that this too will follow that pattern, but what are they thinking getting the community involved so early in the release cycle? It's almost like they want to get our input so they can make a better product, weird?
Oh well, too bad I'm forced to download this beta and also the final release. They'll probably have the nerve to make this release free as well. Bastards.
If I had a dime for every time I've heard this...
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Since KDE has existed every single time a new KDE release is within a few months of a potential Redhat release(ie every freaking Redhat release) someone says this. I'll just make this clear in case you didn't know.
Redat does not, cannot, will not, and should not, TIE THEIR EVERY RELEASE to what the KDE group is doing. If the latest KDE happens to be ready when Redhat begins its testing cycle then it gets included. If not, oh well, you'll need to download the new KDE rpms's when they are ready.
In case you were wondering I AM a KDE user. I don't even use GNOME. But not matter how much I like KDE, I'm not foolish enough to think Redhat should dictate its release cycle on it. Maybe someday when KDE makes us more than.5% of the desktop market it will be worth considering. But until that day its not worth delaying.
Yahoo needs Google more than Google needs Yahoo. Google is one of the few sites on the internet that could go subscription only and still do very well long term. If Yahoo goes subscription for all of its services, people will just move on to another portal. Sure I love that Google is free, but considering how useful Google is I would certainly pay say $19 or more a year for its services. In fact I couldn't imagine an Internet without Google, I'm too reliant on it to go without it. I've tried some of the newer search engines, but really none of them are even close to being as accurate as Google. I'd rather go back to surfing the web with Mosaic than give up Google.
I'd rather have one of the tiny Sony's. They may cost more and be a bit larger, but at least you get a full featured notebook that can run linux OR windows. Hell if you can afford a $700 PDA, you can save up a little more for this.
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"I benifit more from file sharing because if there were no napsters and gnutellas of the world I simply wouldnt have the money to listen to music AT ALL, PERIOD."
Well there is something called a radio.
Fuck the RIAA and all that, but don't act like your downloading music is some sort of humanitarian benefit to society. People download because A) they could care less about copyright B) they're tired of overpaying for CD's or C) they think its some form of protest against the record companies and/or copyright. The no money arguement is bogus. If you have no money, do without. Music isn't included in the basic Food, Clothing, and Shelter need we all have.
Morally I could care less about downloading music and I would never hold anything against someone who does. I simply don't care enough. But file sharing is no big benefit to society, its a convenience pure and simple for those who fit in one of the categories I described above.
is that in their rush to embrace the Internet they made themselves obsolete. Throughout the early 90's AOL really did provide a lot of value add and made online communities and chatting accessible to the average computer user. By the mid 90's people were still using AOL because it was a safe way to ease into that "WWW thing" everyone was now talking about but still have acess to all that AOL content. Flash forward to the very late 90's and now and AOL has stopped producing anywhere near the amount of content that they used to. All the old cool things like AOL's gaming content just pushes you right back onto the internet. AOL in striving so hard to make sure people could access the internet through them has ceased to have any value beyond that of your basic ISP. All roads from AOL lead out to the internet and eventually most users ask themselves why bother with AOL and its bloated crappy software at all? AOL's user base has "grown up" and the user base which they pull from (newbies) are going to be in shorter and shorter supply as time goes on. Couple that with missing out on being bundled with XP and you see that AOL just don't have that great a future.
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That is a good point about Redhat 8.0. Like it or not Redhat is the leading distro. Since Redhat is the face of linux(again deal with it), its about time that face was nice to look at.
One side effect of this will be interesting. Any distro that dares to put out a release without doing what Redhat did by making a nice desktop and fixing Open Office's fonts will suddenly be out of the running when linux distros get reviewed or cross-shopped. I'm glad Redhat raised the bar, but my advice to other distros is to fix their fonts or fade away. It doesn't matter how easy it may be to "fix" your ugly distro's fonts. There is NO excuse for that anymore and users shouldn't have to lift a finger to fix something so basic, so save your "simple fixes" for nerds who don't care about Out of Box aesthetics. Users have seen how nice linux can look with the right fonts, they simply won't stand for the subpar appearances anymore.
No offense to Konq but doesn't really measure up to either Mozilla or Phoenix. For quick and dirty web browsing it may be fine, but only a diehard kde user(and I am one) would think of saying it trumps Moz/Phoenix. Of course to each his own, but I think most people would disagree. I certainly don't feel the need to make a list, but if I did the fact that konq only runs on linux makes it a non-starter for both the majority of home users and of course corporate users who usually have a mix of windows, linux, and Macs.
Umm Intel was pushing USB long before Apple used it.
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Also Apple gave away Darwin so they could get free R&D, and talk to me when a quicktime client is available for Linux.
I guess I won't bother mentioning that Apple is as suit happy as Disney as well. Oh well I did anyway.
Think a little harder on that and then post again.
I'm not expecting Apple to go completely OS anytime soon. But I'm sure a hell not going to forget their proprietary, suithappy past and start slapping them on the back just yet.
" There was a time, not long ago, where Apple made interesting, even innovative technology--but designed it so it worked only with its Macintosh hardware."
I guess if Apple was actually in the habit of coming up with cool gadgets year after year you might have a point. But the only possibly crossplatform gadgets I can think of that Apple has even innovated in the past 15 years are the newton and the ipod. So while it may be all well and good that the Ipod hasn't specifically been designed so it won't work in Windows or Linux, Apple mostly continues to be a computer maker not a inventor of new technology for all platforms. So again I'm just not sure what your point was since Apple really only makes computers, not hardware for every platform that we can all benefit from.
"It's great for the industry and many others that Apple is slowly crawling out of the mindset that all of their products must work strictly with a Mac."
One product (the ipod) doesn't mean much. Especially when you consider its not Apple themselves making it work with other platforms.
Sorry if I seem negative about this, but your whole post seems to try to give Apple credit for something they haven't earned. What you said is akin to sending congrats to MS because their mice are cross platform. Now you may be able to do so, but A) this wasn't intended and B) it represents a minority of MS's product line.
Just something to think about.
Hmm, an unsecured Server vs a firewalled workstation, I wonder why the linux box kept getting hacked...
A better comparison would have been using unprotected "out of the box" NT 4 server. Either way, no patch equals hack.
Lastly shame on you for knowingly exposing your "lab" to the internet unprotected. If you truly are an "old Unix hacker" just what the hell were you thinking A) not running some sort of firewall B) not updating your software? I really hope your weren't getting paid for your work.
"Unreal is the same. You shoot and kill and that's it."
And what exactly were you expecting? I find it hard to believe you were dumb enough not to download the pc demo and try the game out first before spending $50 on the xbox version.
Why, yes I am ;)
" It's a game that goes on forever, and one that you can never win."
So your saying that the only winning move is not to play? How about a nice game of chess?
"What they don't tell you is that taking your money is about all they're interested in. They care little for player complaints, and less about player suggestions and requests. They're in this to milk you for all you're worth, and that's the first thing you have to know."
Welcome to Reality. I hope you enjoy your stay.
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Who fucking cares if its true? A good story is a good story. That's the most I've been entertained by a non-Funny post here in ages.
I'm not trying to put a damper on this, but lets not forget what happened in the past. I certainly remember hearing all sorts plans Mexico had for Linux. There were supposed to be millions of installs by now. Now its just remembered as one of Linux's higher profile failures. So while all the rah rah "let's embrace the underdog" talk is nice, get back to me linux hits >50% of the desktops.
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If India is as important to the world of software as everyone says it is, Microsoft isn't just going to walk away. They'll throw a billion or two into PR, lobbying, software give-aways, and FUD before giving up. And then they'll throw in a billion more. Remember money IS the only thing that matters(carve that into your dorm room desk). The fact that MS is competing with something that can be downloaded for free doesn't change anything.
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Bluecurve isn't a problem for the same reason that www.msn.com is the home page for most people. The newbie who your worried about won't ever switch from Gnome to KDE, so it won't make a dam bit of difference since they will only keep the default and never run into the problem. Those smart enough to know that a desktop environment besides Gnome is available will adapt.
The user who is new to linux just won't run into the problems your describing with Bluecurve. The problems they will run into are ones that are common to the linux desktop. I don't think I need to list the multitude of problems the linux desktop has, but suffice to say the minor differences between gnome and kde when using Redhat pales in comparison to the serious shortcomings that they will experience well before then.
"Now do you want to talk about buffer overruns in sendmail and named?"
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Laughable that you would try to compare the billions of dollars in damage, yes billions, that MS desktop products cause as opposed to some SERVER daemons that aren't even installed on most linux desktops. His statement about viruses was correct, yours was in basketball terms a brick. Good try though, event he best MS lemming couldn't have put forth a better effort.
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"Open Office is MILES away from being ready."
Not really. It certainly needs polishing, but it's hardly hackware. In fact if Apple put half a dozen engineers on it for a year, they'd have their own MS Office killer within a year.
"I'm trying to grasp your problem with New Jersey's ability to "control gun violence." Your state seems relatively safe to me (stat-wise)."
I'll get back to you when its 0. I guess for you 366 isn't enough to be concerned about. So when do you worry? 800, 3000, 10000? Sorry I don't live in a state with more gun deaths.
"but technology cannot protect everybody.
But maybe it can protect somebody. What just because this isn't a cure-all for gun violence you outright reject it?
"Less than 1% of all homicides among school-aged children (5-19 years of age) occur in or around school grounds or on the way to and from school. (Centers for Disease Control [cdc.gov], 1997)"
Again what's an acceptable loss? 1 is too many. If this even prevents 1 death of a family member playing with a gun I'm for it. How about if this prevents a rampage 5 years from now?
"I've never ran into a "gun nut" that thought people using firearms in aggressive manners did not deserve: a) an a$$ whopping and b) prosecuted."
I've never run into a gun nut who didn't think any attempt to make us safe from them is a threat to their liberty. Every time ANY effort is made to make the rest of us safe from guns, the gun owners squeal. Well I say too bad. If it takes a bit a experimenting to see what actually does lead to reduced gun violence,oh well, that's the price you pay for owning something that's designed only to kill.
Being a NJ resident I am happy to finally see SOMETHING/ANYTHING being done to control gun violence. I'm just surprised the NRA couldn't lobby its way out of this, although I'm sure they tried like hell.
Anyway, being that many deaths by firearm occur in the home I think this will help on two fronts. First if someone steals your gun(it happens) it will be temporarly worthless to them, ie they can't kill you if they get to the gun first. They also can't use it to kill anyone once they're out of your house. Second it can hopefully prevent little Johnny from A) blowing his friends head off by mistake and B) prevent him from bringing it to school and harming anyone.
Yea big deal, you can still buy guns out of state and existing firearms don't have the technology. No shit. If all goes well NJ in the future will probably have significantly fewer accidental gun deaths then other states. That sure as hell would make me happy.
Don't forget, gun violence in the home is a serious problem as that's actually more likely then some stanger shooting you if your a gun owner.
I just hope the technology works and this isn't somehow overturned by gun nuts.
I mean what are they thinking? Trying to improve their product so quickly. Especially beta testing for a few months so that its as stable and bug free as they can make it. IMO they sould just wait till a few weeks before release, rush through a beta period, and then release it bugs and all. I know they make releases every six months, and that this too will follow that pattern, but what are they thinking getting the community involved so early in the release cycle? It's almost like they want to get our input so they can make a better product, weird?
Oh well, too bad I'm forced to download this beta and also the final release. They'll probably have the nerve to make this release free as well. Bastards.
Since KDE has existed every single time a new KDE release is within a few months of a potential Redhat release(ie every freaking Redhat release) someone says this. I'll just make this clear in case you didn't know.
.5% of the desktop market it will be worth considering. But until that day its not worth delaying.
Redat does not, cannot, will not, and should not, TIE THEIR EVERY RELEASE to what the KDE group is doing. If the latest KDE happens to be ready when Redhat begins its testing cycle then it gets included. If not, oh well, you'll need to download the new KDE rpms's when they are ready.
In case you were wondering I AM a KDE user. I don't even use GNOME. But not matter how much I like KDE, I'm not foolish enough to think Redhat should dictate its release cycle on it. Maybe someday when KDE makes us more than
Yahoo needs Google more than Google needs Yahoo. Google is one of the few sites on the internet that could go subscription only and still do very well long term. If Yahoo goes subscription for all of its services, people will just move on to another portal. Sure I love that Google is free, but considering how useful Google is I would certainly pay say $19 or more a year for its services. In fact I couldn't imagine an Internet without Google, I'm too reliant on it to go without it. I've tried some of the newer search engines, but really none of them are even close to being as accurate as Google. I'd rather go back to surfing the web with Mosaic than give up Google.
I'd rather have one of the tiny Sony's. They may cost more and be a bit larger, but at least you get a full featured notebook that can run linux OR windows. Hell if you can afford a $700 PDA, you can save up a little more for this.
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None. But somehow I'm sure one-handed web surfers everywhere are celebrating.
Please try again. Your logic only works on the feeble-minded. Luckily I happen to be immune from such false logic.
"I benifit more from file sharing because if there were no napsters and gnutellas of the world I simply wouldnt have the money to listen to music AT ALL, PERIOD."
Well there is something called a radio.
Fuck the RIAA and all that, but don't act like your downloading music is some sort of humanitarian benefit to society. People download because A) they could care less about copyright B) they're tired of overpaying for CD's or C) they think its some form of protest against the record companies and/or copyright. The no money arguement is bogus. If you have no money, do without. Music isn't included in the basic Food, Clothing, and Shelter need we all have.
Morally I could care less about downloading music and I would never hold anything against someone who does. I simply don't care enough. But file sharing is no big benefit to society, its a convenience pure and simple for those who fit in one of the categories I described above.
is that in their rush to embrace the Internet they made themselves obsolete. Throughout the early 90's AOL really did provide a lot of value add and made online communities and chatting accessible to the average computer user. By the mid 90's people were still using AOL because it was a safe way to ease into that "WWW thing" everyone was now talking about but still have acess to all that AOL content. Flash forward to the very late 90's and now and AOL has stopped producing anywhere near the amount of content that they used to. All the old cool things like AOL's gaming content just pushes you right back onto the internet. AOL in striving so hard to make sure people could access the internet through them has ceased to have any value beyond that of your basic ISP. All roads from AOL lead out to the internet and eventually most users ask themselves why bother with AOL and its bloated crappy software at all? AOL's user base has "grown up" and the user base which they pull from (newbies) are going to be in shorter and shorter supply as time goes on. Couple that with missing out on being bundled with XP and you see that AOL just don't have that great a future.