Don't you hate people who reply to their own posts ? I came to the conclusion that "made with" in the case of this label means "made within 50 yards of" or something like that.
Labelling trans fats would have been a start... had the regulations not been so easy to get around. In many cases manufacturers simply reduced the portion size of a product in order to bring the trans fat level below the amount that required labelling.
Here's a good labelling one I've been having fun with lately though... try and find store bought Wasabi preparations that actually include Wasabi. I found one last night that included "Made with real wasabi"... and a "What is wasabi ?" section on the label...yet checking the ingredients list found it was plan old horseradish with green coloring. How do they get away with this ?
The government gets involved in a lot of things where they don't belong. There are many things I wish they'd keep out of. But they don't. On the other hand.. do you think the food industry cares about your best interests ?
hmmm I got my TIVO from directv, it records two channels at once and doesn't have a monthly fee either... my programming charge would be the same whether I had tivo or not. If I could get my hands on a MythTV box for a reasonable cost that could a) record off of satellite and b) do so on 2 or more channels at once I'd be happy.
My logic here is that I'm looking to buy the product and not the box.. it saves me and the retailer time if I can look inside the box before I buy something. If there's somebody around I'll ask them first if they can open it for me.
The parent of the thread advocated "A regulated short-range device that sends a "block non-emergency calls" signal. This device would be legal on private property and some government property."... so this device is going to operate without transmitted on the cell companies spectrum how exactly ?
Try jamming police radio's on your property... and post a notice saying you did it... maybe call the local precint and let them know just to be polite. See how they like that.
Geez how many times. Wilful interferece with a licensed user of radio spectrum (i.e. the cellphone provider) is illegal, it always has been (in practical terms anyway) so why are we wanting to make an exception for cellphones ?
I am not sure where you got the idea of some constitutional right to talk unrestricted on the phone everywhere, even others private property. Allowing block zones is nicer than requiring handing in phones, or having lead or thick walls which they could also do.
It's simple... the cellphone provider who has paid for exclusive use of the spectrum is entitled to legal protection of that exclusivity. The FCC is duty bound to prosecute anybody deliberately interfering with that use. Asking people to turn off a cellphone is vastly different that active jamming of a cellphone which may inadvertantly spill beyond the boundaries of your property.
To quote my bank. "Credit card minimums and surcharges are prohibited by Visa/Mastercard merchant agreements and are illegal in many states. Do not purchase anything from such a merchant and report it to us."
-Journalism How many accumulated news broadcasts do you think there are? Makeing some gross simplifications, assume there are 1000 stations that create 3 half hour news broadcasts every day and multiply by the number days they've been broadcasting (20 years gives more than 7000 days) and you get a total of over 10 million hours, more than the total you've listed above. Note that my estimates are conservative and the actual may be as much as a couple orders of magnitude more.
One.
CNN has been playing it every half hour for 20 years.
SCO claims that their IP had been included in open source products that they then adopted and distributed before noticing that their IP was included. After they discovered this (alleged) inclusion, they continued to distribute the code because:
- they were obligated to do so under the GPL
- the cat was out of the bag, so stopping their distribution wouldn't mitigate the (alleged) harm to them, but
- stopping distribution and support WOULD cause them FURTHER harm by driving customers away to other vendors of what was (allegedly) their own stolen IP.
This might be a good argument if not for the history :
Caldera based in Utah sold Linux distributions. SCO (The Santa Cruz Operation) sold it's unix licensing business to Caldera. SCO Renamed itself to Tarentella Caldera renamed itself to The SCO Group and announced plans to open source as much of unix as it coulda and to use its newly obtained rights to unix to improve linux. Years went by. Caldera SCO decided to sue everybody for using/contributing to linux.
The real question is what is done with the data collected. Passive monitoring that could be used in the event of a hit and run is one thing. Mining the data to look for patterns of travel is completely another.
Yeah with a simple database they could tie all of this to the number plate (license plate) on the car and be done. But when did the police do anything the easy way ?
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Don't you hate people who reply to their own posts ? I came to the conclusion that "made with" in the case of this label means "made within 50 yards of" or something like that.
Labelling trans fats would have been a start ... had the regulations not been so easy to get around. In many cases manufacturers simply reduced the portion size of a product in order to bring the trans fat level below the amount that required labelling.
... try and find store bought Wasabi preparations that actually include Wasabi. I found one last night that included "Made with real wasabi" ... and a "What is wasabi ?" section on the label ...yet checking the ingredients list found it was plan old horseradish with green coloring. How do they get away with this ?
Here's a good labelling one I've been having fun with lately though
To really answer your question.
.. do you think the food industry cares about your best interests ?
The government gets involved in a lot of things where they don't belong. There are many things I wish they'd keep out of. But they don't. On the other hand
There's nothing that can be made with trans fats that can't be made without them. Don't drink the food industry cool-aid.
Where did people get this idea from ?
Trans-fats don't make food taste better.
They offer no positive nutritional value.
There's no reason to want to eat them.
Ever tried to play poker without the rounds of betting ... it becomes pointless very rapidly, the skill in poker is in the betting.
The USA did ban playing cards online.
Headers and API definitions are not protected by copyright ... otherwise SCO would be right.
Just months before Columbia was lost, engineers at Nasa were complaining that the bean counters had cut safety margins to the bone.
It's not really a fork. Openoffice.org already said they were in favor of this.
That's one of my pet hates right there ... if you leave a gap somebody else decides to drive in it.
hmmm I got my TIVO from directv, it records two channels at once and doesn't have a monthly fee either ... my programming charge would be the same whether I had tivo or not. If I could get my hands on a MythTV box for a reasonable cost that could a) record off of satellite and b) do so on 2 or more channels at once I'd be happy.
You don't really gain anything since you'd be counting the 125,000 as income and then subtracting your donation from that.
My logic here is that I'm looking to buy the product and not the box .. it saves me and the retailer time if I can look inside the box before I buy something. If there's somebody around I'll ask them first if they can open it for me.
The parent of the thread advocated "A regulated short-range device that sends a "block non-emergency calls" signal. This device would be legal on private property and some government property." ... so this device is going to operate without transmitted on the cell companies spectrum how exactly ?
Try jamming police radio's on your property ... and post a notice saying you did it ... maybe call the local precint and let them know just to be polite. See how they like that.
Geez how many times. Wilful interferece with a licensed user of radio spectrum (i.e. the cellphone provider) is illegal, it always has been (in practical terms anyway) so why are we wanting to make an exception for cellphones ?
I think the most significant objection is willfull interference with a licensed user of a piece of radio spectrum.
I am not sure where you got the idea of some constitutional right to talk unrestricted on the phone everywhere, even others private property. Allowing block zones is nicer than requiring handing in phones, or having lead or thick walls which they could also do.
... the cellphone provider who has paid for exclusive use of the spectrum is entitled to legal protection of that exclusivity. The FCC is duty bound to prosecute anybody deliberately interfering with that use. Asking people to turn off a cellphone is vastly different that active jamming of a cellphone which may inadvertantly spill beyond the boundaries of your property.
It's simple
zoolander ?
To quote my bank. "Credit card minimums and surcharges are prohibited by Visa/Mastercard merchant agreements and are illegal in many states. Do not purchase anything from such a merchant and report it to us."
I'm in the USA btw.
-Journalism
How many accumulated news broadcasts do you think there are? Makeing some gross simplifications, assume there are 1000 stations that create 3 half hour news broadcasts every day and multiply by the number days they've been broadcasting (20 years gives more than 7000 days) and you get a total of over 10 million hours, more than the total you've listed above. Note that my estimates are conservative and the actual may be as much as a couple orders of magnitude more.
One.
CNN has been playing it every half hour for 20 years.
SCO claims that their IP had been included in open source products that they then adopted and distributed before noticing that their IP was included. After they discovered this (alleged) inclusion, they continued to distribute the code because:
- they were obligated to do so under the GPL
- the cat was out of the bag, so stopping their distribution wouldn't mitigate the (alleged) harm to them, but
- stopping distribution and support WOULD cause them FURTHER harm by driving customers away to other vendors of what was (allegedly) their own stolen IP.
This might be a good argument if not for the history :
Caldera based in Utah sold Linux distributions.
SCO (The Santa Cruz Operation) sold it's unix licensing business to Caldera.
SCO Renamed itself to Tarentella
Caldera renamed itself to The SCO Group and announced plans to open source as much of unix as it coulda and to use its newly obtained rights to unix to improve linux.
Years went by.
Caldera SCO decided to sue everybody for using/contributing to linux.
The real question is what is done with the data collected. Passive monitoring that could be used in the event of a hit and run is one thing. Mining the data to look for patterns of travel is completely another.
Yeah with a simple database they could tie all of this to the number plate (license plate) on the car and be done. But when did the police do anything the easy way ?