I think that point is moot because the idea of toads having a vanguard is too silly to merit furthur discussion. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to visualize a toad wearing a general's hat and chomping down on a corncob pipe.
I will never again play a game that makes me not want to take risks after about an hour before I plan to log out, because a mistake could mean I either stay up an hour or two later and retrieve my corpse, or let it evaporate and cripple my character by destroying (possibly irreplacable) items.
EQ's corpse run system is particularly irritating. This does not mean that all risk is bad; it means that EQ's corpse run system is badly designed.
Short travel times = no locality. Does it matter where you are if you can be on the other side of the world in 10 minutes? This also concentrates the market furthur into the big trade hubs since it is so easy to get to them. I actually prefer the long travel times, so long as the game is set up in a way which supports it (don't force people to the ends of the earth every 5 minutes). Makes the world feel bigger.
corpse runs, heavy death penalties
Some people find this play dynamic much more interesting, especially if there is PVP involved. For instance, I'm currently heavy into EVE Online. In that game, when you get blown up, you lose the ship and anything it was equipped with or carrying (which is mitigated partially by insurance). This is quite interesting, especially considering that 2/3rds of the map is lawless PVP space. The entire game revolves around risk and risk management. Feel like making a ton of money in PVP space doing trade runs? Well, you better not die with a cargo hold full of a billion isk worth of Protein Delicacies unless you have the money to cover it. I have felt more fear and adrenaline playing that game than in any other MMO.
money and xp grinds
Welcome to every MMO EVER. The treadmill is always there, but only feels like one when you are not having fun. I ground from about 52 to 60 on my NE rogue at the 4th cauldron in WPL over the course of a week and barely even felt it because I loved the combat and hairyness of the spawn so much.
I'm supposed to want to play this?
Yes, if you were/are an EQ player. There are quite a few of those out there.
Combat always seems to be too straightforward. I've been playing world of warcraft dwdfor about 80 hours, and so far I've found one enemy that I couldn't kill with a default strategy.
Bullshit, unless that default strategy is "do more damage than is done to you, faster". I played a rogue up to 60, and the entire string of fights was a bigger blast than I've had in any other MMO. Fighting 2 warriors was nothing like fighting 2 mages because I was far less likely to live in the latter case. Perhaps you just don't like MMORPG style combat as a whole?
The REAL complaint about WOW is that it is great to play until you hit 60 (which doesn't take very long on an MMO timescale), at which point you hit a brick wall and are forced to raid continually. While many people love raids, as evidenced by their subscriber base, a whole lot don't enjoy being in a large guild or the organizational overhead associated with a 40 man raid.
Knocking it off with all your/kvetching already. You're just mad because The Flying Kosher Muhammads keep pwning your n00b ass in Alterac. Perhaps you should be in the hot kitchen getting out of?
No, I think you're getting things confused. According to the article title, Apple broke all the RSS. Everywhere. That blogosphere you've been hearing so much about? Gone.
Thank God. The insufferable blogwords were blogging me off blogtime. Fuck that Smurf talk, man.
Gmail may or may not be the best living example of AJAX. But the bottom line is that AJAX is an attempt to use a scripting language inside a document model. Conceptually not unlike using VBA to program a UI inside a Word document.
Oh my god! HTML shouldn't be used as a UI because is is a DOCUMENT and that is INSANE! Let's throw out the ENTIRE FUCKING WEB then. Hey, I know! Lets throw out the OSX gui too because that is alll PDF! GOD FORBID WE USE A LAYOUT LANGUAGE TO DEFINE UI LAYOUT. GOD FORBID THAT LAYOUT BE MUTABLE SO AS TO PERFORM USEFUL TASKS!
The grandparent's point that most of that functionality should be pushed down below the scripting level is spot-on.
No, the grandparent just has been asleep for the last decade and totally misses how a web client is useful. Java web start? What? But I am just on my friends computer for a moment to check my mail and I don't want to install anything and...STOP DOWNLOADING THE JRE! I DONT WANT THIS I WANT TO CHECK MY MAIL YOU BASTARD!
There's a reason why UI development kits like.NET are popular: they are far more complete and robust than a scripting language attached to a markup renderer.
No, they are popular because people build apps with UIs. Also:.NET is an entire fucking language and platform built with interactive Windows UIs specifically in mind. I should fucking hope there is more to it than javascript. What the fuck kind of comparison is this? Are you high? Fuck.
For example, how do you lock the behavior of your AJAX application so it cannot be modified by the end-user?
CSS? Not giving the user commit access to your web app's cvs repository? Do you actually have problems with users rewriting your interfaces to suit their needs better? Can we trade users?
The Asynchronous part of AJAX is the big advance.
This you actually got right
The XML part is a modern, smart and, basically standards-compliant way to do RMI.
Are you talking about SOAP? The main problem with SOAP is that it isn't SOAP-compliant. You could also be talking about the XMLHTTPRequest, in which case I think the RMI comparison sort of falls apart. That is more requestlet than method invocation. Of course, you probably haven't heard of requestlets before because I just made them up.
But it's hard to see how the JavaScript part can substitute for a full-fledged UI programming language.
Javascript is a not a substitute for a full fledged UI programming language, but it sure as fuck is better than reloading the page when you want to collapse a tree. Why are we comparing generic web app functionality to desktop apps, again?
I still welcome our new AJAX overlords - they will get people doing what Java was originally supposed to do, which is to allow a browser to serve as a deployment platform for an application. Once end-users are used to that and demand it, people will gradually, as you and the grandparent point out, rewrite the browser to be a proper UI rendering toolkit.
See, this is already working better than applets, and applets ARE an example of using a full language and toolkit to display things. You keep harping on client-side scripting modifying the document as the weakness of the platform when the fact that this is possible at all is one of the platform's greatest strengths. You can build your dream toolkit with what is in place today. The tradeoff is losing a whole lot of flexibility, which is why direct modification of the markup is still the dominant paradigm.
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Oops typo, he meant: my @row = split(/,/, $line);
Indeed. 4am code ever looks as good the next day.
Perl6's direction
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From the examples I've seen, I'm worried. Perl5 already has too much syntax for my liking (see the subthread on nested refs. yuck), and Perl6 seems to be going much, much furthur in that direction. Will it be powerful? You bet! The problem is that Larry thinks power is the sort of subtle change of inflection that can alter your meaning from "Greetings!" to "Greetings, shithead!", but only when the moon is in the third house. I'll hold off my judgement until it ships; I certainly owe Larry that much for how much use I get out of 5. In the meantime, though, I will be using Ruby as much as I can and wondering how anything else can be more fun to write in.
I love defining services in IOC:Copland (a dependency injection framework available from CPAN) to return closures that keep a ref to the container. Mini self-contained app nuggetoids ftw!
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Well then how about print map {"(@$_)"} @$a; #---> (1 2)(3 4)(5)(6 7 8) instead?
TIMTOWTDI, bitch!
Seriously, though, nested data structures and the deferencing syntax is the single worst part of perl. I'm not surprised it made you break out into hives. Your main problem, though, is that you keep thinking a list is an array. It isn't. Parens build lists, and arrays are primarily built from lists. Also: learn to use google. I ran into this same problem when I was first starting out and took a few hours to nail down some docs and get familiar with it. The syntax is ugly and annoying, but not overly difficult (assuming you already understand references).
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1. Why are you even using hashes when your keys are numeric? 2. I'll point out this bug in particular: sort does not sort numerically by default, it sorts ASCIIbetically. You would have to use sort {$a<=>$b} keys to get the desired ascending numeric sort. Of course, this should be a 2d array anyhow... 3. Your "2d input data" question is too vague, but I'll try to give you an example using arrays
Using this as the example file data:
54,122,425,123 64,352,42,123 325,325,2324,1
Example:
my @points; my $filename = shift(@ARGV): open(IN, '<'.$filename) or die;
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Bros before hos
I think that point is moot because the idea of toads having a vanguard is too silly to merit furthur discussion. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to visualize a toad wearing a general's hat and chomping down on a corncob pipe.
Sperm!
I will never again play a game that makes me not want to take risks after about an hour before I plan to log out, because a mistake could mean I either stay up an hour or two later and retrieve my corpse, or let it evaporate and cripple my character by destroying (possibly irreplacable) items.
EQ's corpse run system is particularly irritating. This does not mean that all risk is bad; it means that EQ's corpse run system is badly designed.
Let me get this straight- long travel times,
Short travel times = no locality. Does it matter where you are if you can be on the other side of the world in 10 minutes? This also concentrates the market furthur into the big trade hubs since it is so easy to get to them. I actually prefer the long travel times, so long as the game is set up in a way which supports it (don't force people to the ends of the earth every 5 minutes). Makes the world feel bigger.
corpse runs, heavy death penalties
Some people find this play dynamic much more interesting, especially if there is PVP involved. For instance, I'm currently heavy into EVE Online. In that game, when you get blown up, you lose the ship and anything it was equipped with or carrying (which is mitigated partially by insurance). This is quite interesting, especially considering that 2/3rds of the map is lawless PVP space. The entire game revolves around risk and risk management. Feel like making a ton of money in PVP space doing trade runs? Well, you better not die with a cargo hold full of a billion isk worth of Protein Delicacies unless you have the money to cover it. I have felt more fear and adrenaline playing that game than in any other MMO.
money and xp grinds
Welcome to every MMO EVER. The treadmill is always there, but only feels like one when you are not having fun. I ground from about 52 to 60 on my NE rogue at the 4th cauldron in WPL over the course of a week and barely even felt it because I loved the combat and hairyness of the spawn so much.
I'm supposed to want to play this?
Yes, if you were/are an EQ player. There are quite a few of those out there.
New arch, new chip, new motherboard, but the case still looks the same so it will all work fine.
Retard.
(damn caps filter. YOU CANNOT SILENCE PROGRESS!!)
Slime molds have been at the helm of large multinationals for years
Yeah, Apple has a monopoly over Macs just like IBM does over AIX mainframes. Shrink the market enough and you start finding monopolies everywhere.
How? Dashboard suspends each widget's run loop when it goes offscren. The only hit should be to memory.
Funny, I assumed you were going to tell me you have a level 60 undead rogue on a PVP server the instant you said you were a "suit".
Bullshit, unless that default strategy is "do more damage than is done to you, faster". I played a rogue up to 60, and the entire string of fights was a bigger blast than I've had in any other MMO. Fighting 2 warriors was nothing like fighting 2 mages because I was far less likely to live in the latter case. Perhaps you just don't like MMORPG style combat as a whole?
The REAL complaint about WOW is that it is great to play until you hit 60 (which doesn't take very long on an MMO timescale), at which point you hit a brick wall and are forced to raid continually. While many people love raids, as evidenced by their subscriber base, a whole lot don't enjoy being in a large guild or the organizational overhead associated with a 40 man raid.
All this just to run the Havok engine?
Knocking it off with all your /kvetching already. You're just mad because The Flying Kosher Muhammads keep pwning your n00b ass in Alterac. Perhaps you should be in the hot kitchen getting out of?
WHAAAAAT? SPEAK UP!
I'm going to sue George RR Martin for making me nearsighted.
It's good to hear that he's still alive and kicking!
Not really. I'd rather be dead in such a case.
(mods: I am being 100% serious here)
No, I think you're getting things confused. According to the article title, Apple broke all the RSS. Everywhere. That blogosphere you've been hearing so much about? Gone.
Thank God. The insufferable blogwords were blogging me off blogtime. Fuck that Smurf talk, man.
To the -1 Troll mod: It's a joke, retard
Gmail may or may not be the best living example of AJAX. But the bottom line is that AJAX is an attempt to use a scripting language inside a document model. Conceptually not unlike using VBA to program a UI inside a Word document.
.NET are popular: they are far more complete and robust than a scripting language attached to a markup renderer.
.NET is an entire fucking language and platform built with interactive Windows UIs specifically in mind. I should fucking hope there is more to it than javascript. What the fuck kind of comparison is this? Are you high? Fuck.
Oh my god! HTML shouldn't be used as a UI because is is a DOCUMENT and that is INSANE! Let's throw out the ENTIRE FUCKING WEB then. Hey, I know! Lets throw out the OSX gui too because that is alll PDF! GOD FORBID WE USE A LAYOUT LANGUAGE TO DEFINE UI LAYOUT. GOD FORBID THAT LAYOUT BE MUTABLE SO AS TO PERFORM USEFUL TASKS!
The grandparent's point that most of that functionality should be pushed down below the scripting level is spot-on.
No, the grandparent just has been asleep for the last decade and totally misses how a web client is useful. Java web start? What? But I am just on my friends computer for a moment to check my mail and I don't want to install anything and...STOP DOWNLOADING THE JRE! I DONT WANT THIS I WANT TO CHECK MY MAIL YOU BASTARD!
There's a reason why UI development kits like
No, they are popular because people build apps with UIs. Also:
For example, how do you lock the behavior of your AJAX application so it cannot be modified by the end-user?
CSS? Not giving the user commit access to your web app's cvs repository? Do you actually have problems with users rewriting your interfaces to suit their needs better? Can we trade users?
The Asynchronous part of AJAX is the big advance.
This you actually got right
The XML part is a modern, smart and, basically standards-compliant way to do RMI.
Are you talking about SOAP? The main problem with SOAP is that it isn't SOAP-compliant. You could also be talking about the XMLHTTPRequest, in which case I think the RMI comparison sort of falls apart. That is more requestlet than method invocation. Of course, you probably haven't heard of requestlets before because I just made them up.
But it's hard to see how the JavaScript part can substitute for a full-fledged UI programming language.
Javascript is a not a substitute for a full fledged UI programming language, but it sure as fuck is better than reloading the page when you want to collapse a tree. Why are we comparing generic web app functionality to desktop apps, again?
I still welcome our new AJAX overlords - they will get people doing what Java was originally supposed to do, which is to allow a browser to serve as a deployment platform for an application. Once end-users are used to that and demand it, people will gradually, as you and the grandparent point out, rewrite the browser to be a proper UI rendering toolkit.
See, this is already working better than applets, and applets ARE an example of using a full language and toolkit to display things. You keep harping on client-side scripting modifying the document as the weakness of the platform when the fact that this is possible at all is one of the platform's greatest strengths. You can build your dream toolkit with what is in place today. The tradeoff is losing a whole lot of flexibility, which is why direct modification of the markup is still the dominant paradigm.
Oops typo, he meant:
my @row = split(/,/, $line);
Indeed. 4am code ever looks as good the next day.
From the examples I've seen, I'm worried. Perl5 already has too much syntax for my liking (see the subthread on nested refs. yuck), and Perl6 seems to be going much, much furthur in that direction. Will it be powerful? You bet! The problem is that Larry thinks power is the sort of subtle change of inflection that can alter your meaning from "Greetings!" to "Greetings, shithead!", but only when the moon is in the third house. I'll hold off my judgement until it ships; I certainly owe Larry that much for how much use I get out of 5. In the meantime, though, I will be using Ruby as much as I can and wondering how anything else can be more fun to write in.
I love defining services in IOC:Copland (a dependency injection framework available from CPAN) to return closures that keep a ref to the container. Mini self-contained app nuggetoids ftw!
Well then how about
print map {"(@$_)"} @$a; #---> (1 2)(3 4)(5)(6 7 8)
instead?
TIMTOWTDI, bitch!
Seriously, though, nested data structures and the deferencing syntax is the single worst part of perl. I'm not surprised it made you break out into hives. Your main problem, though, is that you keep thinking a list is an array. It isn't. Parens build lists, and arrays are primarily built from lists. Also: learn to use google. I ran into this same problem when I was first starting out and took a few hours to nail down some docs and get familiar with it. The syntax is ugly and annoying, but not overly difficult (assuming you already understand references).
2. I'll point out this bug in particular: sort does not sort numerically by default, it sorts ASCIIbetically. You would have to use sort {$a<=>$b} keys to get the desired ascending numeric sort. Of course, this should be a 2d array anyhow...
3. Your "2d input data" question is too vague, but I'll try to give you an example using arrays
Using this as the example file data:
54,122,425,123
64,352,42,123
325,325,2324,1
Example:The print statement would return 42, assuming I did not screw anything up too bad
Why does the parent poster claim that Microsoft is a monopoly yet Apple isn't?
Because the parent poster is not fucking retarded.