I know its a percentage. I wasn't saying it was irrelevant because so few people were using it, but that so few people were using it (and that they would have so few years of experience with their browsing software) that there wouldn't be enough information to base a good research judgement on. and more-so, it just seemed really lame to be judging by research so very very old in Internet time.
and the laptop? maybe MS don't give much away for free but the way it was written in the article, the author sounded as though it was a big deal when to me it sounds like a pathetic crumb from a multi-billion dollar corporation
for most of us, surely, the "creaky" Duron is the high-end workstation. and there are infinite numbers of Pentium133 age machines to be found in skips in cities to use for testing and learning. hell, in Britain, a Pentium-II 266 with 3GB HDD, 128MB SDRAM, AGP Matrox Millenium video, 3C920 netcard, sound card, CD-ROM, USB, keyboard and mouse is only 60 UKPounds+VAT+15delivery; throw a monitor out of a skip onto that or pay 35UKPounds for a 17" one and yr sorted
then you have a point. mozilla.org don't appear to be developing this quite in line with the specification. however, I have faith that they're following their motto of doing the 'Right Thing', even tho I haven't been following the development of this feature in particular
Mozilla focuses upon being standards compliant, rather than making Netscape and Microsoft's mistake of defining their own techniques outside of the W3C. (I think there's also some degree of themselves informing the W3C when its sensible to). so, is prefetch not a part of a W3C HTML specification?
follow the [games] link in the review. thats what this web things alll about
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"Can anyone explain how Mozilla running on NT 2000 or XP Pro OSs can totally hang the OS just surfing the Web?"
I haven't had a stable Mozilla release crash or hang on my personal computer for many many months, on Windows 2000. I have Mozilla 1.1 running at a few sites using Windows 98 and 2000 and they've never reported problems either (unless when running out of temp space). perhaps you have something up with your OS's networking feature. I have a similar problem with my email app hanging Windows 2000 occasionally and the author of that app reckons its an OS specific issue in my case
"...a compilation of fundamental software and information for Windows (95,98,Me,NT4,2K,XP):
a comprehensive tool set to enable you to work with the diverse and popular media of a modern personal computer system; patch holes in such systems to enhance stability and security; & diagnose software & hardware environments so as to help in their repair. using as few resources as possible
The tools, organised by subject area, include software & documentation; chosen both for their superior functionality & by a moral bias toward the fairer means of production, distribution & use, namely Free Software, Open Source, Freeware, Shareware, etcetera. For example, in a food context this might roughly translate to one or more of the following: locally produced, seasonal, organic, free from animal cruelty and fairly traded, by people working co-operatively"
"It rather reminds me of Netware administrators banning Windows 95 when it was first released."
if I remember correctly, we banned Windows 95 on Netware 3.12 when 95 was initially released because all you had to do was name your 95 workstation with the same name as the Netware server and everyone's network traffic went to the workstation instead of the server
why to go to the trouble of *paying* for a license that doesn't apply to you!? you're being more ripped off than people who pay the full cost at a consumer-ville store. you mayaswell just get it on a CD-R for free for-gods-sake
"Sorry about the flame, I really like the browser. But the whole themes thing has started to look kind of silly."
no, you've *really* missed the point here; the whole theme thing is just beginning. the language for writing themes has been under development, so if you wrote a theme for one release of Mozilla / Netscape, it would break in the next release. 90% of the point of having Mozilla 1.0 is to *freeze* this language (the APIs), and once these things are frozen people can get to work devloping *with* them
Tim Berners-Lee wrote:"There are no reasons at all in theory for people to change URIs (or stop maintaining documents), but millions of reasons in practice.":
http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI
and advocated creating a web where documents could last, say, 20 years and more
ok. sorry. I don't use OSX but had seen links so many times when wandering www.openoffice.org to OSX development I'd (wrongly) assumed a build was available
if you're using Mozilla and a 3 button mouse, you can just click on the links with the middle mouse button and they'll open up in a new window or tab. problem solved forever
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I know its a percentage. I wasn't saying it was irrelevant because so few people were using it, but that so few people were using it (and that they would have so few years of experience with their browsing software) that there wouldn't be enough information to base a good research judgement on.
and more-so, it just seemed really lame to be judging by research so very very old in Internet time.
and the laptop? maybe MS don't give much away for free but the way it was written in the article, the author sounded as though it was a big deal when to me it sounds like a pathetic crumb from a multi-billion dollar corporation
the article says "(just 2 per cent of people use history, says some mid-1990s research)"
and how many people were using the web in the mid 90s?
and "Microsoft even gave a laptop computer and other support to the cause"
wow. a laptop.
my pragmatic collection of free (and non-free, but getting away from it as much as possible) software for Windows: http://www.thegoldenear.connectfree.co.uk/gg/toolb ox/win32/the-software.htm
"The conventional wisdom around web stuff that's been free, but converts to much pay is that "they die off, no one wants to use it anymore etc etc""
people can only choose not to use it any more bcos there are alternatives like Yahoo they can instead go to who're still offering it for free
(people could learn to setup their own mail service instead of relying on these multi-nationals to do it for them)
http://www.echolocation.fm/echoshop/info/cert18cd0 10.html
"creaky Duron 650"!!??
for most of us, surely, the "creaky" Duron is the high-end workstation. and there are infinite numbers of Pentium133 age machines to be found in skips in cities to use for testing and learning. hell, in Britain, a Pentium-II 266 with 3GB HDD, 128MB SDRAM, AGP Matrox Millenium video, 3C920 netcard, sound card, CD-ROM, USB, keyboard and mouse is only 60 UKPounds+VAT+15delivery; throw a monitor out of a skip onto that or pay 35UKPounds for a 17" one and yr sorted
then you have a point. mozilla.org don't appear to be developing this quite in line with the specification.
however, I have faith that they're following their motto of doing the 'Right Thing', even tho I haven't been following the development of this feature in particular
...and if it is then every W3C compliant web browser should be supporting it anyway
Mozilla focuses upon being standards compliant, rather than making Netscape and Microsoft's mistake of defining their own techniques outside of the W3C. (I think there's also some degree of themselves informing the W3C when its sensible to). so, is prefetch not a part of a W3C HTML specification?
follow the [games] link in the review. thats what this web things alll about
"Can anyone explain how Mozilla running on NT 2000 or XP Pro OSs can totally hang the OS just surfing the Web?"
I haven't had a stable Mozilla release crash or hang on my personal computer for many many months, on Windows 2000. I have Mozilla 1.1 running at a few sites using Windows 98 and 2000 and they've never reported problems either (unless when running out of temp space).
perhaps you have something up with your OS's networking feature. I have a similar problem with my email app hanging Windows 2000 occasionally and the author of that app reckons its an OS specific issue in my case
The Windows Toolbox:3 2/the-software.htm
www.thegoldenear.connectfree.co.uk/gg/toolbox/win
"...a compilation of fundamental software and information for Windows (95,98,Me,NT4,2K,XP):
a comprehensive tool set to enable you to work with the diverse and popular media of a modern personal computer system; patch holes in such systems to enhance stability and security; & diagnose software & hardware environments so as to help in their repair. using as few resources as possible
The tools, organised by subject area, include software & documentation; chosen both for their superior functionality & by a moral bias toward the fairer means of production, distribution & use, namely Free Software, Open Source, Freeware, Shareware, etcetera. For example, in a food context this might roughly translate to one or more of the following: locally produced, seasonal, organic, free from animal cruelty and fairly traded, by people working co-operatively"
calling them MS$ is a sign of even worse
"It rather reminds me of Netware administrators banning Windows 95 when it was first released."
if I remember correctly, we banned Windows 95 on Netware 3.12 when 95 was initially released because all you had to do was name your 95 workstation with the same name as the Netware server and everyone's network traffic went to the workstation instead of the server
"Sad thing is, 95% of the people went strictly for the free software."
.NET Server
and whats wrong with that?
there's no such thing as XP Server, the latest is 2000 Server and the next will be
you really *do* aswell, there was one in NT4 under Control Panel
what operating system are you using?
if Windows then checkout the KX drivers: http://www.kxproject.com/
and have ya seen this?:
http://opensource.creative.com/
why to go to the trouble of *paying* for a license that doesn't apply to you!? you're being more ripped off than people who pay the full cost at a consumer-ville store. you mayaswell just get it on a CD-R for free for-gods-sake
"Sorry about the flame, I really like the browser. But the whole themes thing has started to look kind of silly."
no, you've *really* missed the point here; the whole theme thing is just beginning. the language for writing themes has been under development, so if you wrote a theme for one release of Mozilla / Netscape, it would break in the next release. 90% of the point of having Mozilla 1.0 is to *freeze* this language (the APIs), and once these things are frozen people can get to work devloping *with* them
its not a (hyper)link if its not within an tage is it? so Mozilla doesn't pick it up
(I keep meaning to search for a bug on this or file a new one)
Tim Berners-Lee wrote :"There are no reasons at all in theory for people to change URIs (or stop maintaining documents), but millions of reasons in practice.":
http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI
and advocated creating a web where documents could last, say, 20 years and more
ok. sorry. I don't use OSX but had seen links so many times when wandering www.openoffice.org to OSX development I'd (wrongly) assumed a build was available
why not use the OSX port of OpenOffice?
no, designers haven't been too concentrated on the wrong thing, look at the capitalist designers, this is what consumerism is all about
if you're using Mozilla and a 3 button mouse, you can just click on the links with the middle mouse button and they'll open up in a new window or tab. problem solved forever