Well, to be completely honest, OpenOffice is also developed by a very large software company: Sun Microsystems.
They have many full-time programmers working on it (about 40-50, if I'm not mistaken) and they are doing most of the work.
Sure, openness is good and we have many really cool things as a result of this -- see KDE integration for a very important example -- but Oo.org is hardly the shining example of hobbyists coming together to build a great product.
Actually, KOffice is a far better example for this.
Also, anarchy has always been accepted as meaning "without rule". By millions of people (check the Spanish Revolution, the Makhnovschina) and all self-described anarchists, who actually came up with the word "anarchism" denoting a political theory.
There is a word meaning "chaos, lawlessness". It is anomie. Use that one instead of trying to rewrite 2500 years of history and siding with the less educated people who have never heard of Proudhon, Sophocles or Bakunin.
Yes, "anarchy" was often used to mean chaos and destruction and disorder. So was "democracy".
I like Gnome. A lot. I like not having to be tied into the KDE window manager.
And you don't have to. I used to run KDE with Afterstep and WindowMaker for a long time, and they're not even compliant. And if you run it with any compliant window manager, you won't even notice the difference.
Plus, let's not forget what happens when you make free software too difficult for commercial entities to use: they find something else, and they standardize on it instead of free software.
The real question is if we really give a crap. I use Free Software because I enjoy the freedom. I use it because I like the openness. I don't use it because I hope some commercial entity will start using it. If they don't like it, they're free to write their own damn software instead of using the work of others for profit.
I'm not particularly worried about Free Software being marginalised. It has been marginalised for the majority of its existence, and I still have a powerful system running at home, which is 100% free. I don't think we should make concessions to proprietary developers instead of considering what is important for freedom of software, and our freedom to develop. And this seems to be a case of developers using GPL software for their own profit, but not contributing back to the community.
I used to do this for the longest time. I ran Afterstep with a kde session running in the background. Then, at work, I ran WindowMaker using the same setup.
Eventually, I found that KWin can be configured to work almost exactly like AfterStep (which was my ideal WM for a long time), and that it isn't in fact any slower.
Now I'm simply running a full KDE desktop. It looks a lot like AfterStep, and nothing like a regular KDE default, but i find it works just as well as AS/WM and it saves me some trouble.
Similarly, I learned to love Konsole, although I used to be an aterm diehard.
With time, KDE caught up with my special requirements, while getting more stable, featureful and faster.
Wait, my comment was troll, and this pile of self-indulgent holier-than-thou shite was "Insightful"?
How about spending money to help improve education, to help the poor, to improve the safety of the people at home so innocent people aren't shot in the face when some cop goes to have a leak? How about spending money to save the fucked-beyond-belief NHS? How about fixing the pension system? How about using it for something more useful instead of chasing fucking ghosts in Iraq, NOW WITH SILVER UNDIES!
I think these are all more important than you and your fucking gin, you reactionary git.
Without some set of rules keeping other people from choosing to violate others' rights you have anarchy, which has very little to do with liberty.
You are probably the first person in the history of time who has attempted to argue that freedom is opposed to Anarchy.
Anarchy IS the maximised liberty, free from laws, coercion and violence.
Sadly it is one of the terms which has traditionally been misinterpreted throughout history (similar as "hacker"), which is why most people cling to some Mad Max post-cataclysmic vision of unadulterated evil instead of the political theory of Bakunin, Kropotkin, Proudhon and Tucker.
Well, I don't know anybody from the first list, but I know for a bloody fact that I wouldn't listen to any of the sorry excuses for music from the second list.
It's a fucking horror game. It's supposed to be dark.
You probably think that "silence of the lambs" is a crap movie because somebody didn't turn the light on in the end.
The game had an overreliance on triggers, which got tiring after a while. but apart from that, and a few other minor squibbles, it was the most perfect horror game ever made
OpenOffice, Firefox and Thunderbird can all run using Qt. None of them was natively a GTK application, they are as much GTK as they are Qt.
Gaim and Evolution have very good counterparts at Kopete and Kontact.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Eclipse a Java application?
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I remember when I actually used to laugh at the contributions because they seemed plausible. This is just not funny, not interesting. It's a piece of turd.
Yes, you are completely right, but most people don't want to install CygWin and XFree to burn CDs or run regular software. A fully native Win version of Qt is a big step in the right direction, and it's coming with Qt 4.0, which is in testing stages right now (Beta, I think)
What's best is that regular people are only starting to adopt Linux NOW. In the past, I was ridiculed for running a non-Windows OS. Now, my brother and cousin are asking me for distro recommendations.
My understanding of their Native Widget Framework is that the VCL (the toolkit used by OO.o), in addition to drawing the widgets itself, can be used as a wrapper for Qt, GTK, MFC, or whatever else you are using on your system. So a little bit of overhead is there, but OpenOffice 2 should bring trully native look and feel.
I do not agree with the original comment that KDE just copies window's GUI and it has nothing original. However, I must say that your arguments against KDE not being original are quite lame. You refute it by saying that it can copy the look of a number of other OS/Desktop environment. Well, copying is hardly "original".
That's all fine and dandy, but his argument wasn't that KDE wasn't original, it was that it was simply copying Windows.
I really love kioslaves, KParts and other KDE technologies, but his argument was that KDE was an exact copy of Windows.
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You can make it look like anything you want, what's your beef?
Want menus on top, like MacOS? Check. Want clear background with no icons like FVWM? Check. Want a Wharf-like sidebar with application buttons on the side instead of the panel like WindowMaker? Check. Want to change the order and shape of the buttons in the window titlebar? Check. Want the taskbar to sit at the top and not at the bottom, like AfterStep? Check.
That's a HORRIBLE idea. Doom3, for example, needs a minimum of 384 MB RAM when running off HDD. If you add the whole Linux system into memory, no swap and the CD seek times, you'll get the crappiest performance in the history.
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Well, to be completely honest, OpenOffice is also developed by a very large software company: Sun Microsystems.
They have many full-time programmers working on it (about 40-50, if I'm not mistaken) and they are doing most of the work.
Sure, openness is good and we have many really cool things as a result of this -- see KDE integration for a very important example -- but Oo.org is hardly the shining example of hobbyists coming together to build a great product.
Actually, KOffice is a far better example for this.
First of all, anarchy IS a Greek word.
Also, anarchy has always been accepted as meaning "without rule". By millions of people (check the Spanish Revolution, the Makhnovschina) and all self-described anarchists, who actually came up with the word "anarchism" denoting a political theory.
There is a word meaning "chaos, lawlessness". It is anomie. Use that one instead of trying to rewrite 2500 years of history and siding with the less educated people who have never heard of Proudhon, Sophocles or Bakunin.
Yes, "anarchy" was often used to mean chaos and destruction and disorder. So was "democracy".
Sorry, but you are wrong.
"Anarchy" is not a word from 16th century. In fact, it was first used by Sophocles' character Antigone.
In this context, it was used as an act of disobedience against an injust government, which prohibited the burial of her brother.
In this sense, it is not representative of chaos and disorder, but a morality and consciousness outside of worldly laws.
Much like anarchism, the political theory. An-archos = without rule.
I like Gnome. A lot. I like not having to be tied into the KDE window manager.
And you don't have to. I used to run KDE with Afterstep and WindowMaker for a long time, and they're not even compliant. And if you run it with any compliant window manager, you won't even notice the difference.
Plus, let's not forget what happens when you make free software too difficult for commercial entities to use: they find something else, and they standardize on it instead of free software.
The real question is if we really give a crap. I use Free Software because I enjoy the freedom. I use it because I like the openness. I don't use it because I hope some commercial entity will start using it. If they don't like it, they're free to write their own damn software instead of using the work of others for profit.
I'm not particularly worried about Free Software being marginalised. It has been marginalised for the majority of its existence, and I still have a powerful system running at home, which is 100% free. I don't think we should make concessions to proprietary developers instead of considering what is important for freedom of software, and our freedom to develop. And this seems to be a case of developers using GPL software for their own profit, but not contributing back to the community.
I used to do this for the longest time. I ran Afterstep with a kde session running in the background. Then, at work, I ran WindowMaker using the same setup.
Eventually, I found that KWin can be configured to work almost exactly like AfterStep (which was my ideal WM for a long time), and that it isn't in fact any slower.
Now I'm simply running a full KDE desktop. It looks a lot like AfterStep, and nothing like a regular KDE default, but i find it works just as well as AS/WM and it saves me some trouble.
Similarly, I learned to love Konsole, although I used to be an aterm diehard.
With time, KDE caught up with my special requirements, while getting more stable, featureful and faster.
Wait, my comment was troll, and this pile of self-indulgent holier-than-thou shite was "Insightful"?
How about spending money to help improve education, to help the poor, to improve the safety of the people at home so innocent people aren't shot in the face when some cop goes to have a leak? How about spending money to save the fucked-beyond-belief NHS? How about fixing the pension system? How about using it for something more useful instead of chasing fucking ghosts in Iraq, NOW WITH SILVER UNDIES!
I think these are all more important than you and your fucking gin, you reactionary git.
Well, that's money well spent. It's wonderful what taxes are used for nowadays.
Without some set of rules keeping other people from choosing to violate others' rights you have anarchy, which has very little to do with liberty.
You are probably the first person in the history of time who has attempted to argue that freedom is opposed to Anarchy.
Anarchy IS the maximised liberty, free from laws, coercion and violence.
Sadly it is one of the terms which has traditionally been misinterpreted throughout history (similar as "hacker"), which is why most people cling to some Mad Max post-cataclysmic vision of unadulterated evil instead of the political theory of Bakunin, Kropotkin, Proudhon and Tucker.
Well, I don't know anybody from the first list, but I know for a bloody fact that I wouldn't listen to any of the sorry excuses for music from the second list.
It's a fucking horror game. It's supposed to be dark.
You probably think that "silence of the lambs" is a crap movie because somebody didn't turn the light on in the end.
The game had an overreliance on triggers, which got tiring after a while. but apart from that, and a few other minor squibbles, it was the most perfect horror game ever made
OpenOffice, Firefox and Thunderbird can all run using Qt. None of them was natively a GTK application, they are as much GTK as they are Qt.
Gaim and Evolution have very good counterparts at Kopete and Kontact.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Eclipse a Java application?
I remember when I actually used to laugh at the contributions because they seemed plausible. This is just not funny, not interesting. It's a piece of turd.
AAarrrrgh. I actually used the tea timer when writing my thesis to time the tea brewing time, you insensitive clod!!!!
I never thought it would be useful, but it's useful for... well... timing tea.
Yes, you are completely right, but most people don't want to install CygWin and XFree to burn CDs or run regular software. A fully native Win version of Qt is a big step in the right direction, and it's coming with Qt 4.0, which is in testing stages right now (Beta, I think)
There is no GPL version of Qt for windows, that's why many things don't get ported.
This will change with the new Qt 4.0 and KDE 4.0 which is based on it. Qt4 will come with a full GPL version for windows.
drop kde, its not worth it. try using a true lightweight window manager like fluxbox or xfce.
Drop the car, dude, it's not worth it. Try using a true lightweight tyre, like Pirelli or Michelin.
My Michelin SX-LE4 tyre feels much more lightweight than any Honda Civic I've ever seen. It makes me much more productive.
What's best is that regular people are only starting to adopt Linux NOW. In the past, I was ridiculed for running a non-Windows OS. Now, my brother and cousin are asking me for distro recommendations.
Actually, I do think you are wrong.
My understanding of their Native Widget Framework is that the VCL (the toolkit used by OO.o), in addition to drawing the widgets itself, can be used as a wrapper for Qt, GTK, MFC, or whatever else you are using on your system. So a little bit of overhead is there, but OpenOffice 2 should bring trully native look and feel.
That's all fine and dandy, but his argument wasn't that KDE wasn't original, it was that it was simply copying Windows.
I really love kioslaves, KParts and other KDE technologies, but his argument was that KDE was an exact copy of Windows.
You can make it look like anything you want, what's your beef?
Want menus on top, like MacOS? Check.
Want clear background with no icons like FVWM? Check.
Want a Wharf-like sidebar with application buttons on the side instead of the panel like WindowMaker? Check.
Want to change the order and shape of the buttons in the window titlebar? Check.
Want the taskbar to sit at the top and not at the bottom, like AfterStep? Check.
Seriously, have you ever even USED KDE?
What about having your kids run over by a tank because they got sent to fight a war in some country they can't find on a map?
Keep it on topic.
That's a HORRIBLE idea. Doom3, for example, needs a minimum of 384 MB RAM when running off HDD. If you add the whole Linux system into memory, no swap and the CD seek times, you'll get the crappiest performance in the history.
I played TuxRacer at a decent performance on a 400 MHz processor and a built-in Intel chipset.
On my FX5200, the thing literally flies. You have serious configuration problems with your system.
Why don't you learn proper XHTML and CSS instead?