GTK did not even exist when KDE started. GNOME's design goals were just to be different from KDE. So they implemented object oriented programming in C. Also they took the motif replacement gtk from gimp and tried to work with it.
A better way would have been to put resources into harmony and create C bindings for thos unwilling to learn OOP in C++.
Until today nobody serious thinks gtk is better than qt.
> GNOME was created by the GNU folks as an > alternative to KDE at a time when KDE was > dependent on a piece of non-free software, > specifically the Qt libraries.
So instead of replacing the qt library by free software (harmony project) and uniting all forces behind KDE (and harmony) some big ego jerks started spreading lies about KDE and Trolltech and started gnome, which still lags behind KDE by month even though it got a lot more money.
In fact Miguel de ICaza was disappointed that his ideas did not impress anyone at KDE, so he left and started GNome, which he left to get some scraps of the.net craze after Ximian's "distribution" did not convince anyone to give him money for it.
Richard Stallman discovered that he had not realized the need for a free unified desktop. He felt insulted that someone else (Matthias Ettrich) had that idea and did not call it GNU XYZ something. In fact they did not even ask him for permission. Disrespectful like that Finnish guy... So he supported GNOME for political and personal reasons.
Trolltech got so annoyed that they made a big gift to the world by donating qt to free software. After that nothing would stop KDE. But no, some people still think GNOME is more politically correct and should therefore be used.
Just because a fork of KDE is legal, it does not mean it is smart to do a fork. Corel did this for their linux version and many changes were just lost , because noone ever ported them to KDE-2.
Also many of the changes to KDE software are done by Gnome developers working for Redhat. These people call KDE "crapland" in public bug reports.
At the moment the Redhat KDE changes the name of the KDE services, so that any program compiled for Redhat's KDE might not work with SuSE's KDE, Mandrake's KDE, Debian's KDE or any generic KDE. Noone needs this kind of crap.
I guess all this discussion could be shortened a lot if anyone cared to check http://www.linuxprinting.org
The have a list of recommended printers (based on price, print quality with linux and manufacturer conduct) here: http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html
Go on and read it, it will make your decision a lot easier.
P.S: Avoid HP LJ1100, we had two of them and after three months they stopped working. The repair kit HP sent us did not fix the problem.
That was my last HP, I am currently using a Kyocera mita Ecosys FS-1010, which works flawlessly under SuSE-7.3/8.0 with cups and gives very nice print results.
you can forget about simple things like color schemes working properly everywhere. Color schemes DON'T work properly everywhere. That's one of the things that's broken about Linux. last time I checked KDE color schemes didn't affect GTK2 apps and vice versa. That said, KDE color schemes still work fine in Null.
On my system GNOME2 apps follow my KDE color scheme. Of course I do not use Redhat but SuSE.
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Vi IMproved -- Vim
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Just do:set compatible
and you get all the masochistic vi feeling you need.
http://www.transgaming.com/showpage.php?page=tos They can change them at any time, terminate the service agreement (with cause).
Compare what you have to do and what Transgaming has to do:
"YOUR OBLIGATIONS. You agree to pay the fee applicable to your subscription. You agree to provide legal authorization for debit or credit-card charges, be they monthly, quarterly, bi-annually, or annually. You acknowledge that you cannot obtain a refund for early cancellation of any kind.
You warrant that you are the cardholder of the credit or debit card you provide and the relevant information required for processing charges with said card is valid at all times. You must notify any entity that collects payments from you on behalf of TransGaming of any change of address in a timely fashion. If your debit or credit card expires, you must notify the entity that collects payments from you on behalf of TransGaming of the new expiration date before the previous expiration date has passed. TransGaming reserves the right to levy an administration fee for any credit card or debit transaction that fails."
Transgaming's "OBLIGATIONS. Subject to your compliance with these Terms of Service, TransGaming hereby grants you a personal, non-transferable and non-exclusive license to access and use the Services. "
The Services are not even defined in the agreement. I very much doubt, that this contract could even be upheld for a minute in a German court. Our legal system is not (yet?) as corrupt as the US American legal system. Contracts of the type: We get everything, you nothing, you carry the risk, you pay, we can change the contract whenever we want are unfair.
OK, so basically you are equating the USA with Iraq. Both are bullies by your own words.
Iraq does not have the right to complain about being attacked because it _WAS_ a bully in the past.
By your logic Panama could launch an attack on the USA any day.
But obviously American have become so selfcentered in their view of the worls, that you don't notice how many people are starting to hate your foreign policy.
Apple's windowing API -- and redesigning the user interface such that it conforms to the Apple Aqua guidlines. (That's a tall order, especially considering that much of the Aqua guidlines are incomplete and still being formed.) Currently, StarOffice uses its own interface toolkit, built from the ground up.
I don't think supporting an aqua Look'nFeel would be too hard. OOo already is themable to MacOs9 look (and Windows, OS/2 and XWindows). Look at Tools->Options->OpenOffice.org->View.
Probably all it would take would be a new "theme" for the Toolkit OOo uses. Maybe they would have to extend the theming capablitities of the toolkit a little, but that can't be too hard.
Linux IS 2/3 superior to windows according to your criteria or rather KDE is.
All hints apply to KDE-3.0.2, KDE-3.1a1 is still a little too flaky (usable, but annoying at times).
To get number 1: Kcontrol->LooknFeel->Window Settings Set "Inactive inner Window": Left mouse button to "Activate and pass click". (Default is "Activate, Raise and pass click".)
OK I have no idea about number 2
To get number 3: Alt+Leftclick on the window moves it in kwin without raising it.
Funny, my old KDE1 and KDE2 apps still work under KDE3 (and Gnome btw).
Also Windows 95 and Windows 98 are identical.
Shame on Slashdot! Releasenot worth a mention?
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KDEvelopers on KDE Users
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You do not cover the release of KDE-3.0.2, about 2 days ago, but you make room for dep, a guy who is so crazy that he thinks KDE developers are Nazis and racists. Don't believe me?
QUOTING dep:
All that notwithstanding, the initial troll was from a KDE developer, using a kde.org email address, posting to a KDE-sponsored list. Anyone reading the thread will come away with the view that KDE is a product of anti-American, anti-semitic developers pushing an agenda of which the National Socialist party would have been proud, indeed was proud. source: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News= article=47
This guy has contributed little to nothing to KDE, but he is pissed off because the KDE adressbook was not developed according to his wishes. So he tries to slander the KDE community.
Slashdot is pissing me off, giving this guy a bigger forum and not even mentioning the hard work in the KDE-3.0.2 release!
Well at least the SJM author had no problems with the KDE applications konqueror and kmail. Obviously these components are already at a point where a windows user can use them without any problem.
Curiously missing: Attempts to install MS Office or games or any other win32 program on this wine derived Lindows.
Let's face it nothing does DOC like Word [thank god!] and for compatibility purposes with all of my coworkers there just isn't a real substitute for everything it does. We use the revision control built into Word and other things so please don't offer Abiword, StarOffice, OpenOffice or KWord as alternatives.
Well staroffice does word processing better than MS Office. Also it has revision control compatible to MS Office in the doc format. You have not really used staroffice obviously or you would not talk about it like you do.
Finally I would propose crossover office, if you really must use MS Office.
27.06.2002 15:21 CET: No binaries on ftp.suse.com:/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/GNOME2
Re:Can someone research the political BS in Summar
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Minority Report
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Following your logic any CIA spy in foreign countries could be put before a military tribunal and them ne shot because: He has no - fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance - is not carrying arms openly - is not conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war
But most civilized nations don't put any spy they catch or any foreign national in a country they occupy before a "military tribunal", which is part of the executive and NOT a court. Ever heard of the seperation of powers? Spies are normally put before a court, their guilt is either proven ot they are free to walk.
America is abandoning it's own standards. Of course terrorists and enemies of the state should be punished. But using the democratic legal system! Not by having a few members of the army decide with no legal representation!
The crap happening right now in the USA is extremely Unamerican! It reminds me of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union!
I won't comment on the ridiculous notion that the US Constitution is above international law. That is just too much crap.
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or use komba. Any decent distribution will preconfigure them. I am not talking about Redhat.
GTK did not even exist when KDE started. GNOME's design goals were just to be different from KDE. So they implemented object oriented programming in C. Also they took the motif replacement gtk from gimp and tried to work with it.
A better way would have been to put resources into harmony and create C bindings for thos unwilling to learn OOP in C++.
Until today nobody serious thinks gtk is better than qt.
QT had license issues not KDE. They should have replaced QT instead of KDE...
> GNOME was created by the GNU folks as an
.net craze after Ximian's "distribution" did not convince anyone to give him money for it.
> alternative to KDE at a time when KDE was
> dependent on a piece of non-free software,
> specifically the Qt libraries.
So instead of replacing the qt library by free software (harmony project) and uniting all forces behind KDE (and harmony) some big ego jerks started spreading lies about KDE and Trolltech and started gnome, which still lags behind KDE by month even though it got a lot more money.
In fact Miguel de ICaza was disappointed that his ideas did not impress anyone at KDE, so he left and started GNome, which he left to get some scraps of the
Richard Stallman discovered that he had not realized the need for a free unified desktop. He felt insulted that someone else (Matthias Ettrich) had that idea and did not call it GNU XYZ something. In fact they did not even ask him for permission. Disrespectful like that Finnish guy... So he supported GNOME for political and personal reasons.
Trolltech got so annoyed that they made a big gift to the world by donating qt to free software. After that nothing would stop KDE.
But no, some people still think GNOME is more politically correct and should therefore be used.
..by spreading open document formats, by making the switch to linux painless, by establishing confidence in good open source software.
Listen, troll.
Just because a fork of KDE is legal, it does not mean it is smart to do a fork. Corel did this for their linux version and many changes were just lost , because noone ever ported them to KDE-2.
Also many of the changes to KDE software are done by Gnome developers working for Redhat. These people call KDE "crapland" in public bug reports.
At the moment the Redhat KDE changes the name of the KDE services, so that any program compiled for Redhat's KDE might not work with SuSE's KDE, Mandrake's KDE, Debian's KDE or any generic KDE.
Noone needs this kind of crap.
I guess all this discussion could be shortened a lot if anyone cared to check http://www.linuxprinting.org
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The have a list of recommended printers (based on price, print quality with linux and manufacturer conduct) here:
http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.htm
Go on and read it, it will make your decision a lot easier.
P.S: Avoid HP LJ1100, we had two of them and after three months they stopped working. The repair kit HP sent us did not fix the problem.
That was my last HP, I am currently using a Kyocera mita Ecosys FS-1010, which works flawlessly under SuSE-7.3/8.0 with cups and gives very nice print results.
WordPerfect is not available in a German version anymore. Therefore it is dead.
If you can't even serve almost 100 million rich Europeans in Germany, Switzerland and Austria, how do you want to convince anyone to take you serious?
Color schemes DON'T work properly everywhere. That's one of the things that's broken about Linux. last time I checked KDE color schemes didn't affect GTK2 apps and vice versa. That said, KDE color schemes still work fine in Null.
On my system GNOME2 apps follow my KDE color scheme. Of course I do not use Redhat but SuSE.
Just do :set compatible
and you get all the masochistic vi feeling you need.
You have no fucking idea of what you are talking about. Windows3.11 can run 32bit win software using win32s extensions.
:)
Using Calmira (http://www.calmira.org) win-3.11 is prettier than win95 and more usable, too.
I never saw any need to update from win-3.11 to win-4.0 aka win95. I updated to SuSE Linux-5.0 in the end
I can recommend spamassassin.
I get 40 personal Emails a day. 35 of them are SPAM. Spamassassin filtes out ~32 of them.
I have had 3 false positives in three months, the senders of which then got onto my whitelist.
To improve the capabilities of the system I submit any SPAM not caught by spamassassin to DCC and Razor.
Really a great system and works nicely with kmail.
http://www.transgaming.com/showpage.php?page=tos
They can change them at any time, terminate the service agreement (with cause).
Compare what you have to do and what Transgaming has to do:
"YOUR OBLIGATIONS. You agree to pay the fee applicable to your subscription. You agree to provide legal authorization for debit or credit-card charges, be they monthly, quarterly, bi-annually, or annually. You acknowledge that you cannot obtain a refund for early cancellation of any kind.
You warrant that you are the cardholder of the credit or debit card you provide and the relevant information required for processing charges with said card is valid at all times. You must notify any entity that collects payments from you on behalf of TransGaming of any change of address in a timely fashion. If your debit or credit card expires, you must notify the entity that collects payments from you on behalf of TransGaming of the new expiration date before the previous expiration date has passed. TransGaming reserves the right to levy an administration fee for any credit card or debit transaction that fails."
Transgaming's "OBLIGATIONS. Subject to your compliance with these Terms of Service, TransGaming hereby grants you a personal, non-transferable and non-exclusive license to access and use the Services. "
The Services are not even defined in the agreement. I very much doubt, that this contract could even be upheld for a minute in a German court. Our legal system is not (yet?) as corrupt as the US American legal system.
Contracts of the type: We get everything, you nothing, you carry the risk, you pay, we can change the contract whenever we want are unfair.
Define "enough subscribers".
Define "released"
Show legally binding contract.
I would subscribe to Transgaming, if I got a legally binding promise, that the code I bought were released to LGPL after 1 year.
That way Transgaming could make a profit and after a while the opensource wine (minus CopyProtection) would always enable playing one year old games.
But just paying Transgaming to develop their proprietary software until eternity sounds like software assurance to me.
OK, so basically you are equating the USA with Iraq. Both are bullies by your own words.
Iraq does not have the right to complain about being attacked because it _WAS_ a bully in the past.
By your logic Panama could launch an attack on the USA any day.
But obviously American have become so selfcentered in their view of the worls, that you don't notice how many people are starting to hate your foreign policy.
Probably all it would take would be a new "theme" for the Toolkit OOo uses. Maybe they would have to extend the theming capablitities of the toolkit a little, but that can't be too hard.
Linux IS 2/3 superior to windows according to your criteria or rather KDE is.
All hints apply to KDE-3.0.2, KDE-3.1a1 is still a little too flaky (usable, but annoying at times).
To get number 1:
Kcontrol->LooknFeel->Window Settings
Set "Inactive inner Window": Left mouse button to "Activate and pass click". (Default is "Activate, Raise and pass click".)
OK I have no idea about number 2
To get number 3:
Alt+Leftclick on the window moves it in kwin without raising it.
Wow, mod parent up. This should be +5 funny.
Funny, my old KDE1 and KDE2 apps still work under KDE3 (and Gnome btw).
Also Windows 95 and Windows 98 are identical.
You do not cover the release of KDE-3.0.2, about 2 days ago, but you make room for dep, a guy who is so crazy that he thinks KDE developers are Nazis and racists. Don't believe me?
= article=47
QUOTING dep:
All that notwithstanding, the initial troll was from a KDE developer, using a kde.org email address, posting to a KDE-sponsored list. Anyone reading the thread will come away with the view that KDE is a product of anti-American, anti-semitic developers pushing an agenda of which the National Socialist party would have been proud, indeed was proud.
source: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News
This guy has contributed little to nothing to KDE, but he is pissed off because the KDE adressbook was not developed according to his wishes. So he tries to slander the KDE community.
Slashdot is pissing me off, giving this guy a bigger forum and not even mentioning the hard work in the KDE-3.0.2 release!
Well at least the SJM author had no problems with the KDE applications konqueror and kmail. Obviously these components are already at a point where a windows user can use them without any problem.
Curiously missing: Attempts to install MS Office or games or any other win32 program on this wine derived Lindows.
Well staroffice does word processing better than MS Office. Also it has revision control compatible to MS Office in the doc format. You have not really used staroffice obviously or you would not talk about it like you do.
Finally I would propose crossover office, if you really must use MS Office.
27.06.2002 15:21 CET:
No binaries on ftp.suse.com:/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/GNOME2
Following your logic any CIA spy in foreign countries could be put before a military tribunal and them ne shot because:
He has no
- fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance
- is not carrying arms openly
- is not conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war
But most civilized nations don't put any spy they catch or any foreign national in a country they occupy before a "military tribunal", which is part of the executive and NOT a court. Ever heard of the seperation of powers? Spies are normally put before a court, their guilt is either proven ot they are free to walk.
America is abandoning it's own standards. Of course terrorists and enemies of the state should be punished. But using the democratic legal system! Not by having a few members of the army decide with no legal representation!
The crap happening right now in the USA is extremely Unamerican! It reminds me of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union!
I won't comment on the ridiculous notion that the US Constitution is above international law. That is just too much crap.