This is certainly a high-profile breach, but not apparently immediately catastrophic.
When you consider that some of this information belongs to people with *.mil email addresses, I think you're underestimating the shit storm that is about to be (well, SHOULD be) unleashed on AT&T and Apple.
On the bright side for Apple users, perhaps Apple can use this to break their exclusivity deal with AT&T? Perhaps Apple will learn the value of 'due diligence' before signing contracts in the future.
Is it just me, or is having your language based on a character set that requires computer rendering for most people to be able to communicate clearly somewhat asinine?
It's even more confusing than that. Japanese use two other character sets besides Kanji, and generally wind up using 2 or 3 character sets in every sentence.
Kanji = words taken into Japanese from Chinese
the 'kana' are made up of these two:
Hiragana = native Japanese words for which they don't use kanji
Katakana = words taken into Japanese from languages other than Chinese
Here's where it's hilarious - Hiragana and Katakana characters represent syllables, not entire words. And the two sets are made up of the same 46 syllables! (though there are some extra compound syllables in Katakana)
Plus Katakana is often used for other things, like product names, or for the 'coolness' factor. "It's complicated."
Really, they only need one set of kana, and no kanji at all, because you can write out any word in the language using either set of the kana. There is something called 'furigana', which is tiny little hiragana characters printed next to unusual kanji so the reader knows what they are (even Japanese don't know all THAT many kanji besides the 'joyo' kanji mentioned in this article. This is getting so bad that subtitles on movies in Japan are using less and less kanji because the people can't read them very well.)
I've every reason to expect that Fring will fully support the iPhone 4 - I had an iPhone buddy turn me on to Fring in the first place. No waiting for Skype support - just use Fring.
Ah, that'll be great if Fring lets iPhone 4 and EVO users video chat with each other, albeit at the lower resolution the iPhone 4 supports.:)
I'm not waiting for Skype, I'm waiting for Swype. I thought it was already available, but apparently it's still just in beta. Annoying.
Hopefully the other carriers will all get 'superphones' available for their users soon. I'm hearing rumors of an htc 'scorpion' for Verizon, though the specs are still just rumors at this point.
For the masses, and for practical purposes, and to not get in trouble with any carrier's TOS - yes, I'll agree that the EVO is unique with this as a supported feature.
I don't know of any other phone that has that feature at all, supported or not. I was kind of surprised the iPhone 4 didn't have it, but oh well, sucks to be an Apple customer. *shrug*
I haven't messed with the video conferencing at all. I've read online that the iPhone 4's video conferencing only works with other iPhone 4s? That's unfortunate, if true - a combined based of iPhone 4 and EVO users would be a good thing.
I'm currently investigating replacement soft keyboards for my phone - looks like Better Keyboard may be the best out there, at least until Swype for Android comes out of (closed!:( ) beta.
I also need to get one of those apps that identifies a song that is playing, just by listening to it.
And as soon as I get some time, I'm going to get a bunch of augmented reality stuff like Layar, etc.
So many possibilities for this level of smartphone, it's kind of ridiculous.
I have a 16 gig class 10 card coming soon; hopefully this week. The included 8 gig class 2 card is nice, but I want more, faster storage. Hopefully 32 gig microsdhc cards will be out and cheap sooner rather than later. The SanDisk is the only one I know of out yet, and it's around $300 or so. Ouch. Plus it's only a class 2 card.
The downside was that it required a rooted phone, but I've been seeing these instructions for a few months now. Did I miss something?
Yes. I'm talking about the EVO 4G phone specifically, not Android phones in general. Hotspot ability is built-in to the EVO 4G, fully supported by Sprint, no rooting required. It's a $30/mo add-on to do that, though you can (now) get it for free by rooting your EVO. Regular tethering is supported and free with the EVO. The hotspot on the EVO supports up to 8 connected devices.
And if the camera app still takes forever to load, the screens are laggy, the video is hitchy, all of that GHz, means nothing. Even with a slower processor, you've got to give Apple credit. It performs smooth as butter. They work very well with what they have.
I'm not sure what you're talking about here - certainly not the EVO. My camera app starts up right away (~ 1 second), video is fine, and everything is incredibly smooth.
From a hardware perspective, the newest Android phones like the Droid Incredible are pretty close to this (or even exceed it in a few areas still)
I just got an htc EVO 4G on Friday, and I'm actually not feeling any buyer's remorse, even post-iPhone 4, which is nice. I DO like the iPhone 4's pixel density, but it's much smaller than the EVO 4G's 4.3" display, which is one of the main reasons I got the phone I did. I don't know what the pixel density is, but the quality of the text is flat-out amazing, so I've got no complaints there. The EVO 4G has a higher resolution main camera, and the front-facing one doesn't require WiFi to do video chat. I've not messed much with the camera on my phone yet, so I don't know the quality of it, as megapixels aren't everything. The EVO has dual LED flash; not sure about the new iPhone. You'd think with Apple basing their business around iPhones and iPads, that they would've announced some kind of tethering or hotspot capability for them to work in concert, but I didn't see anything like that announced (might've missed it). I guess if you have an iPad w/o 3G, you can just get an EVO and turn on its hotspot and not have to deal with AT&T.:)
To me, the deal-breakers with the iPhone 4 are _still_ being restricted to AT&T (insane), and of course, the draconian developer policies (which DO affect users, even though most users never know it).
Android phones evolve MUCH quicker than Apple's, especially htc (and to a lesser extent, Motorola). We'll see 1.5gHz Android phones this year, and quite possibly the dual-core phones will start trickling out in Q4, as well. Hopefully by this time next year, we'll have 720p displays on LTE-enabled phones, as well. The new chipmaking process shrink coming to the industry at the end of the year will enable processor to sip much less juice than they do now, so battery life should get better as well, though that will be dependent on the eternal struggle with faster chips, too, so we'll see. Fun times! Computers are much less interesting right now, tech-wise, than cellphones.
there aren't any emails with the feel of Eudora, just a cheap reskin of some lesser mail program
Wow, you're pining for the 'feel' of Eudora, when the crappy feel of Eudora... is what killed Eudora. I guess there's something for everyone, but I wouldn't get my hopes up, if I were you.
Notice the disclaimer near the very bottom: "Not all services available *on* 4G". Notice they aren't saying "4G service isn't available everywhere"... they're saying "not all services can be provided via 4G". Besides data, what other service is there? Right... voice. That innocent-looking disclaimer is Sprint's get out of jail free card.
I'm not sure what you *think* you've 'caught' Sprint at, because they're making no secret that WiMax is only for data, and that simultaneous voice and data is only when you're in a dual 3G/4G area, for voice to use the old network and data on the new (just like I said in my original posting).
>> with Sprint's EVO, you can do voice over the old network at the same time you do data over WiMax, >> assuming you're in an area with WiMax at the time.
> Are you sure?
I'm sure that Sprint has said so.:) Check out their press release.
When Sprint & Verizon roll out their 4G networks will they be able to handle simultaneous voice and data or will they still be stuck with an either/or situation?
I don't know about Verizon's LTE network, but with Sprint's EVO, you can do voice over the old network at the same time you do data over WiMax, assuming you're in an area with WiMax at the time.
I think you may be a bit off here. AMD meets or exceeds the performance available from Intel chips at every point of the price curve except the very high end where they do not compete at all.
Performance/price != Performance
And of course, it also depends mightily on exactly WHICH performance characteristics you're talking about.
Of the '5' versions, only 3 have anything resembling significant usage in the wild (1.5, 1.6 and 2.1). Multiple phones have had 2.1 upgrades released for them since the statistics were gathered, thus throwing even those statistics out of whack. Once all the handsets that are capable of running 2.2 are upgraded, I think that will be a pretty stable platform for quite some time - most everything that people have been clamoring for in Android is either in or supported by, that version (Flash, App2SD, bluetooth voice calling, JIT, etc). Many of the handsets that are older and 1.5/1.6-based might not perform all that well with these new features (if at all) due to constrained physical resources (slower CPU, less RAM, etc).
Coming out with new hardware now with anything less than 2.1 should be a crime, though. I'm glad they've said the EVO 4G will have a 2.2 upgrade in July. *whew*
The information wasn't online a couple days ago. GMAB. Do you speak to your coworkers that way?
The pricing for the hotspot was released on May 12. Sprint has been advertising that they'd have the hotspot ability with the EVO for _months_. Do you run with an adblocker or something? Sprint's been running the biggest web advertising campaign I've seen in a VERY long time for the EVO 4G.
Yeah, I do speak to my coworkers that way. Keeps them on their toes.:)
that Sprint will block the new HTC Evo 4G's hotspot capability, since they sell their Overdrive 3G/4G mobile hotspot (a separate box) for $99.99?
Way to keep up on the official announcements. Sprint has already released their pricing for the EVO 4G hotspot - $30/mo; they're not blocking it, they're actively advertising it EVERYWHERE ON THE WEB FOR THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS. The only unknown about it was the pricing, which they announced on the 12th. Yeesh.
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This is certainly a high-profile breach, but not apparently immediately catastrophic.
When you consider that some of this information belongs to people with *.mil email addresses, I think you're underestimating the shit storm that is about to be (well, SHOULD be) unleashed on AT&T and Apple.
On the bright side for Apple users, perhaps Apple can use this to break their exclusivity deal with AT&T? Perhaps Apple will learn the value of 'due diligence' before signing contracts in the future.
Is it just me, or is having your language based on a character set that requires computer rendering for most people to be able to communicate clearly somewhat asinine?
It's even more confusing than that. Japanese use two other character sets besides Kanji, and generally wind up using 2 or 3 character sets in every sentence.
Kanji = words taken into Japanese from Chinese
the 'kana' are made up of these two:
Hiragana = native Japanese words for which they don't use kanji
Katakana = words taken into Japanese from languages other than Chinese
Here's where it's hilarious - Hiragana and Katakana characters represent syllables, not entire words. And the two sets are made up of the same 46 syllables! (though there are some extra compound syllables in Katakana)
Plus Katakana is often used for other things, like product names, or for the 'coolness' factor. "It's complicated."
Really, they only need one set of kana, and no kanji at all, because you can write out any word in the language using either set of the kana. There is something called 'furigana', which is tiny little hiragana characters printed next to unusual kanji so the reader knows what they are (even Japanese don't know all THAT many kanji besides the 'joyo' kanji mentioned in this article. This is getting so bad that subtitles on movies in Japan are using less and less kanji because the people can't read them very well.)
Longer term is a the food chain being full of this shit, resulting in fish costs going through the roof for those not caught in the gulf.
I thought fish oil was supposed to be good for you?
News at 11!
http://androidandme.com/2009/11/applications/swype-keyboard-coming-to-android-in-2010/
Apologies if this is old hat - hey, it's just bytes of info.
Yeah, thanks. I already checked their website this morning - it's in closed beta. Hopefully it'll be out soon. That and Froyo, and I'll be all set!
I've every reason to expect that Fring will fully support the iPhone 4 - I had an iPhone buddy turn me on to Fring in the first place.
No waiting for Skype support - just use Fring.
Ah, that'll be great if Fring lets iPhone 4 and EVO users video chat with each other, albeit at the lower resolution the iPhone 4 supports. :)
I'm not waiting for Skype, I'm waiting for Swype. I thought it was already available, but apparently it's still just in beta. Annoying.
Hopefully the other carriers will all get 'superphones' available for their users soon. I'm hearing rumors of an htc 'scorpion' for Verizon, though the specs are still just rumors at this point.
For the masses, and for practical purposes, and to not get in trouble with any carrier's TOS - yes, I'll agree that the EVO is unique with this as a supported feature.
I don't know of any other phone that has that feature at all, supported or not. I was kind of surprised the iPhone 4 didn't have it, but oh well, sucks to be an Apple customer. *shrug*
I haven't messed with the video conferencing at all. I've read online that the iPhone 4's video conferencing only works with other iPhone 4s? That's unfortunate, if true - a combined based of iPhone 4 and EVO users would be a good thing.
I'm currently investigating replacement soft keyboards for my phone - looks like Better Keyboard may be the best out there, at least until Swype for Android comes out of (closed! :( ) beta.
I also need to get one of those apps that identifies a song that is playing, just by listening to it.
And as soon as I get some time, I'm going to get a bunch of augmented reality stuff like Layar, etc.
So many possibilities for this level of smartphone, it's kind of ridiculous.
I have a 16 gig class 10 card coming soon; hopefully this week. The included 8 gig class 2 card is nice, but I want more, faster storage. Hopefully 32 gig microsdhc cards will be out and cheap sooner rather than later. The SanDisk is the only one I know of out yet, and it's around $300 or so. Ouch. Plus it's only a class 2 card.
The downside was that it required a rooted phone, but I've been seeing these instructions for a few months now.
Did I miss something?
Yes. I'm talking about the EVO 4G phone specifically, not Android phones in general. Hotspot ability is built-in to the EVO 4G, fully supported by Sprint, no rooting required. It's a $30/mo add-on to do that, though you can (now) get it for free by rooting your EVO. Regular tethering is supported and free with the EVO. The hotspot on the EVO supports up to 8 connected devices.
And if the camera app still takes forever to load, the screens are laggy, the video is hitchy, all of that GHz, means nothing. Even with a slower processor, you've got to give Apple credit. It performs smooth as butter. They work very well with what they have.
I'm not sure what you're talking about here - certainly not the EVO. My camera app starts up right away (~ 1 second), video is fine, and everything is incredibly smooth.
There are lots of places on the web that tell you how to hotspot your Android phone, the EVO just makes it simpler.
Uh, I think you're confusing 'hotspot' with 'tethering' - there is a big difference between the two.
From a hardware perspective, the newest Android phones like the Droid Incredible are pretty close to this (or even exceed it in a few areas still)
I just got an htc EVO 4G on Friday, and I'm actually not feeling any buyer's remorse, even post-iPhone 4, which is nice. I DO like the iPhone 4's pixel density, but it's much smaller than the EVO 4G's 4.3" display, which is one of the main reasons I got the phone I did. I don't know what the pixel density is, but the quality of the text is flat-out amazing, so I've got no complaints there. The EVO 4G has a higher resolution main camera, and the front-facing one doesn't require WiFi to do video chat. I've not messed much with the camera on my phone yet, so I don't know the quality of it, as megapixels aren't everything. The EVO has dual LED flash; not sure about the new iPhone. You'd think with Apple basing their business around iPhones and iPads, that they would've announced some kind of tethering or hotspot capability for them to work in concert, but I didn't see anything like that announced (might've missed it). I guess if you have an iPad w/o 3G, you can just get an EVO and turn on its hotspot and not have to deal with AT&T. :)
To me, the deal-breakers with the iPhone 4 are _still_ being restricted to AT&T (insane), and of course, the draconian developer policies (which DO affect users, even though most users never know it).
Android phones evolve MUCH quicker than Apple's, especially htc (and to a lesser extent, Motorola). We'll see 1.5gHz Android phones this year, and quite possibly the dual-core phones will start trickling out in Q4, as well. Hopefully by this time next year, we'll have 720p displays on LTE-enabled phones, as well. The new chipmaking process shrink coming to the industry at the end of the year will enable processor to sip much less juice than they do now, so battery life should get better as well, though that will be dependent on the eternal struggle with faster chips, too, so we'll see. Fun times! Computers are much less interesting right now, tech-wise, than cellphones.
there aren't any emails with the feel of Eudora, just a cheap reskin of some lesser mail program
Wow, you're pining for the 'feel' of Eudora, when the crappy feel of Eudora ... is what killed Eudora. I guess there's something for everyone, but I wouldn't get my hopes up, if I were you.
Nexus One? Droid Incredible? Evo?
My new phone has a correction for you: "That's EVO 4G. Bitch."
Look, just do what my phone says, okay? You don't want to know what it did to the last guy... *shudder*
I LOVE when I was born (1984). I'm old enough to remember a time without the Internet
No you're not. The Web is not the Internet. Good thing you're still young enough to be schooled, kid! :)
better than duct tape
SYNTAX ERROR
Notice the disclaimer near the very bottom: "Not all services available *on* 4G". Notice they aren't saying "4G service isn't available everywhere"... they're saying "not all services can be provided via 4G". Besides data, what other service is there? Right... voice. That innocent-looking disclaimer is Sprint's get out of jail free card.
I'm not sure what you *think* you've 'caught' Sprint at, because they're making no secret that WiMax is only for data, and that simultaneous voice and data is only when you're in a dual 3G/4G area, for voice to use the old network and data on the new (just like I said in my original posting).
>> with Sprint's EVO, you can do voice over the old network at the same time you do data over WiMax,
>> assuming you're in an area with WiMax at the time.
> Are you sure?
I'm sure that Sprint has said so. :) Check out their press release .
When Sprint & Verizon roll out their 4G networks will they be able to handle simultaneous voice and data or will they still be stuck with an either/or situation?
I don't know about Verizon's LTE network, but with Sprint's EVO, you can do voice over the old network at the same time you do data over WiMax, assuming you're in an area with WiMax at the time.
It's the one that also got 100mpg due to the fuel vaporizing carburetor. :)
Intels chips are faster because Intel has much better production facilities.
No way, man, it's their Speed Hole(tm) Technology!
I think you may be a bit off here. AMD meets or exceeds the performance available from Intel chips at every point of the price curve except the very high end where they do not compete at all.
Performance/price != Performance
And of course, it also depends mightily on exactly WHICH performance characteristics you're talking about.
Does the Northwest have exotic women and/or liquors? We might have trouble getting 007 out here.
Lots of Suicide Girls and micro-brews. I'm not sure what 007 would do in that situation.
Of the '5' versions, only 3 have anything resembling significant usage in the wild (1.5, 1.6 and 2.1). Multiple phones have had 2.1 upgrades released for them since the statistics were gathered, thus throwing even those statistics out of whack. Once all the handsets that are capable of running 2.2 are upgraded, I think that will be a pretty stable platform for quite some time - most everything that people have been clamoring for in Android is either in or supported by, that version (Flash, App2SD, bluetooth voice calling, JIT, etc). Many of the handsets that are older and 1.5/1.6-based might not perform all that well with these new features (if at all) due to constrained physical resources (slower CPU, less RAM, etc).
Coming out with new hardware now with anything less than 2.1 should be a crime, though. I'm glad they've said the EVO 4G will have a 2.2 upgrade in July. *whew*
The information wasn't online a couple days ago. GMAB. Do you speak to your coworkers that way?
The pricing for the hotspot was released on May 12. Sprint has been advertising that they'd have the hotspot ability with the EVO for _months_. Do you run with an adblocker or something? Sprint's been running the biggest web advertising campaign I've seen in a VERY long time for the EVO 4G.
Yeah, I do speak to my coworkers that way. Keeps them on their toes. :)
that Sprint will block the new HTC Evo 4G's hotspot capability, since they sell their Overdrive 3G/4G mobile hotspot (a separate box) for $99.99?
Way to keep up on the official announcements. Sprint has already released their pricing for the EVO 4G hotspot - $30/mo; they're not blocking it, they're actively advertising it EVERYWHERE ON THE WEB FOR THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS. The only unknown about it was the pricing, which they announced on the 12th. Yeesh.