Consider for a second if you will, the fact that Microsoft blames crashes on faulty drivers. Now consider the fact that since consoles are (or atleast are supposed to be) standardized hardware, meaning that all drivers should be release-worthy, in that they only have to be tested in one configuration.
This kills their excuse, but also the reasoning. They're right when they say the majority of faults is in drivers, and while a driver shouldn't necessarily be able to kill everything, hey it happens. Ever have windows crash in safe mode? I haven't. That's what this will run in, a permanent safe mode, because it's all standard overly-tested drivers.
You may not like the products, but MS is far from a stupid company, and they know what they're going up against, and what they have to do to win.
All of this said, I'm sure it will be a nice console, and I'll probably have one, alongside my Dolphin, PS2, and DC (and yet I never play games...I just enjoy wasting the money).
Plus...for people into console dev, such as myself, this will probably be a fun toy to play with.
I must say I agree. I run linux, with enlightenment, and the gnome panel, and quite honestly my cpu usage idles around 5% or less. Ram usage sits around 20 or 30mb or so. Add netscape, maybe 15% usage and 40mb of ram used, still very acceptable.
I figure if I have to sacrifice a little cpu and ram to have an interface I enjoy looking at - I'll do it. If I wanted minimal cpu and ram usage I'd use console, or blackbox for X, but I'd rather have a very good looking interface and so that's what I've chosen.
I'm not sure about previous relesaes...but I got 2.3.40 earlier this morning, and it seems to have a slightly major bug. Every 15 or so minutes it decides to hose my networking, and requires a reboot to get it going again...for another 15 minutes. Has anyone else noticed this?
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LinuxPPC also isn't a commercial OS, and is less likely to be sued by Apple. Another thing to note, a large percentage of Be's programmers are ex-apple employees (last I checked) which means I wouldn't doubt Apple would use that to say they're using proprietory information if they just hacked it together to make it work.
That brings me to my next point, BeOS isn't an os that's hacked together. It's quite good and running the best it possibly can on any hardware, and making it half-way work on a new PPC would just ruin the experience. Be is about fine-tuning, not scrapping together and jerry-rigging.
THANK YOU! I've been trying to tell people this all along. Open source is nice for some things. (do we really need proprietory versions of notepad?)
However, Be spent a lot of money to make an OS that is in many ways superior to its competition (though lacking heavily in its networking layer). They give the source, it will be stolen, and suddenly it's just another would-be OS whose features were stolen by the borg and a penguin.
It has moved actually. I've been watching it. It just doesn't move "as much" I've seen it vary anywhere from 14 - 23. While this may make you believe noone cares, believe this: Be users are a loyal userbase, almost as stubborn as Amiga users:)
Worry not, Be would never do this to its loyal userbase...as small as it is. r4.5 is now my permanent OS, and will remain so. Plus, wouldn't forcing someone to own their competitors product to use their own be somewhat stupid?
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Just about the media apps...
Many professional applications are slated for BeOS and are being worked on currently. Be is in a growing state still, and is still making its alliances. Be has this power for professional uses because for any realtime effects and such, its latency is next to nil.
Note: I am not a professional musician, however I am a very happy Be user...killed windows for linux, killed linux for Be. Though I do wish its network code was fixed already so porting all those linux apps I use would be easier.
Excuse me...MIPS is tired? x86 has been around for how many years, based on the same technology that powered the tandy 1000sx sitting in my closet back home. And about the geForce being 10,000 times faster than top of the line cards in SGI, well, you're just smoking something. And another thing, SGI's power isn't in its cards, it's the entire architecture. They're designed for power, unlike your lowly PC.
Linux is not the end-all/be-all of computing...sorry to disappoint you.
Well, I'll admit my problem...I am never happy with my OS. I often switch OS's every few months. I currently go windows -> BeOS -> linux -> FreeBSD [wrap]. Maybe it's just the desire to use everything, maybe I should see a shrink. Maybe both?
...but looking at that screenshot actually gets my interest...I actually considered buying a Mac for a second there. Seriously though, the UI does look nice (imo of course). Now the names they've chosen (Cocoa, Aqua, Carbom), those worry me. From what I hear the Darwin core is pretty nice, might actually be worth checking out...who knows maybe it'd make a nice client machine.
I'm basically rambling so that's about it...just some worthless random thoughts.
You are forgetting something... Linux users are a small percentage, we don't yet have the power. Microsoft boycotts a company, the company suffers, linux boycotts a company, maybe a 1% loss?
Something else to realize: the majority of linux boxes out there are servers...they don't use the latest and greatest video cards (do I REALLY need a GeForce256 in my mail server?)
Boycotting a company now would just give them resentment of linux. Resentment turns to anti-linuxism, whichs turns to more "friends of microsoft"
I must agree with you. I much prefer the BSD-style-licenses in that I can someday make profit off of something that I spend countless hours working on.
I'll all for free software, and open source, but I'm all for paying the bills and eating as well.
On a side note I still prefer the license Chat is released under, something along the lines of: "If this software breaks, you can keep both halves"
"Ugh, did you see that, he wiped his nose on his sleeve...no normal law abiding citizen would do that!"
"Oh my god, he didn't help that lady up, get the cameras ready!"
Ok, bad examples, but the point is, you can't follow what people do and try to make expectations. Most humans are by desire unpredictable, they will do what they can to be, because it gets them noticed. You can't see certain acts as defining a criminal (other than breaking a law) just because it's not what's expected...otherwise people like my friends and I will constantly have a camera crew after us:P
Ok, how's that for stupid. Last I checked, in the USA, you have to be 18 to enter a legally binding agreement. You agree to follow those rules. However if you're under 18 you cannot be legally forced to follow those rules because you are still a minor and cannot enter a legally binding agreement. That means that if you're under 18, get it anyways, and hope they don't come after your parents *evil grin*
...that people that spend a lot of time on the net DON'T cut off everything else. Even in the future, we will still use phones, or atleast voice chat over the net. People who spend the majority of their time on the net don't stop their lives. I still pick up a phone, and go to the store, because those things aren't easier online (as of yet). News and such are, so why buy what I can get free?
An interesting idea, but hire someone right for the job to do the test.
Funny, really it is. Actually, everyone I know who has an ATI board is more than happy with it. Never has problems, etc. And I'm not talking about costs, yes the X server costs more...I have no reason nor need to buy AccelX, but the fact remains, that it's somethign you shoudln't have to do.
people shouldn't have to tailor make their PC's to use an OS...if I bought a new gfx card, I don't want to downgrade to something less powerful just to use XFree86.
Why do they bother? Because they have a good product. They support more cards than XFree86 does overall (last I checked atleast).
Not everything in your happy little linux world needs to be free for it to be good. A Free X server can't support as much hardware as a commercial one, because the commercial one will pay companies to write drivers or for specs, XFree86 can't afford to do this.
The same reason people pay for Windows. It is commercial.
Free software is known (though sometimes incorrectly) as having no support. Commercial software gives people someone to rightfully bitch to if it doesn't work.
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Consider for a second if you will, the fact that Microsoft blames crashes on faulty drivers. Now consider the fact that since consoles are (or atleast are supposed to be) standardized hardware, meaning that all drivers should be release-worthy, in that they only have to be tested in one configuration.
This kills their excuse, but also the reasoning. They're right when they say the majority of faults is in drivers, and while a driver shouldn't necessarily be able to kill everything, hey it happens. Ever have windows crash in safe mode? I haven't. That's what this will run in, a permanent safe mode, because it's all standard overly-tested drivers.
You may not like the products, but MS is far from a stupid company, and they know what they're going up against, and what they have to do to win.
All of this said, I'm sure it will be a nice console, and I'll probably have one, alongside my Dolphin, PS2, and DC (and yet I never play games...I just enjoy wasting the money).
Plus...for people into console dev, such as myself, this will probably be a fun toy to play with.
I must say I agree.
I run linux, with enlightenment, and the gnome panel, and quite honestly my cpu usage idles around 5% or less. Ram usage sits around 20 or 30mb or so. Add netscape, maybe 15% usage and 40mb of ram used, still very acceptable.
I figure if I have to sacrifice a little cpu and ram to have an interface I enjoy looking at - I'll do it. If I wanted minimal cpu and ram usage I'd use console, or blackbox for X, but I'd rather have a very good looking interface and so that's what I've chosen.
I'm not sure about previous relesaes...but I got 2.3.40 earlier this morning, and it seems to have a slightly major bug. Every 15 or so minutes it decides to hose my networking, and requires a reboot to get it going again...for another 15 minutes. Has anyone else noticed this?
LinuxPPC also isn't a commercial OS, and is less likely to be sued by Apple. Another thing to note, a large percentage of Be's programmers are ex-apple employees (last I checked) which means I wouldn't doubt Apple would use that to say they're using proprietory information if they just hacked it together to make it work.
That brings me to my next point, BeOS isn't an os that's hacked together. It's quite good and running the best it possibly can on any hardware, and making it half-way work on a new PPC would just ruin the experience. Be is about fine-tuning, not scrapping together and jerry-rigging.
THANK YOU!
I've been trying to tell people this all along. Open source is nice for some things. (do we really need proprietory versions of notepad?)
However, Be spent a lot of money to make an OS that is in many ways superior to its competition (though lacking heavily in its networking layer). They give the source, it will be stolen, and suddenly it's just another would-be OS whose features were stolen by the borg and a penguin.
It has moved actually. :)
I've been watching it. It just doesn't move "as much" I've seen it vary anywhere from 14 - 23. While this may make you believe noone cares, believe this: Be users are a loyal userbase, almost as stubborn as Amiga users
Worry not, Be would never do this to its loyal userbase...as small as it is. r4.5 is now my permanent OS, and will remain so. Plus, wouldn't forcing someone to own their competitors product to use their own be somewhat stupid?
Just about the media apps...
Many professional applications are slated for BeOS and are being worked on currently. Be is in a growing state still, and is still making its alliances. Be has this power for professional uses because for any realtime effects and such, its latency is next to nil.
Note: I am not a professional musician, however I am a very happy Be user...killed windows for linux, killed linux for Be. Though I do wish its network code was fixed already so porting all those linux apps I use would be easier.
Excuse me...MIPS is tired?
x86 has been around for how many years, based on the same technology that powered the tandy 1000sx sitting in my closet back home. And about the geForce being 10,000 times faster than top of the line cards in SGI, well, you're just smoking something. And another thing, SGI's power isn't in its cards, it's the entire architecture. They're designed for power, unlike your lowly PC.
Linux is not the end-all/be-all of computing...sorry to disappoint you.
Well, I'll admit my problem...I am never happy with my OS. I often switch OS's every few months. I currently go windows -> BeOS -> linux -> FreeBSD [wrap]. Maybe it's just the desire to use everything, maybe I should see a shrink. Maybe both?
...but looking at that screenshot actually gets my interest...I actually considered buying a Mac for a second there. Seriously though, the UI does look nice (imo of course). Now the names they've chosen (Cocoa, Aqua, Carbom), those worry me. From what I hear the Darwin core is pretty nice, might actually be worth checking out...who knows maybe it'd make a nice client machine.
I'm basically rambling so that's about it...just some worthless random thoughts.
"No generalization is ever true, including this one."
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Ok, a quote from somewhere, looked good, sorry
You are forgetting something...
Linux users are a small percentage, we don't yet have the power. Microsoft boycotts a company, the company suffers, linux boycotts a company, maybe a 1% loss?
Something else to realize: the majority of linux boxes out there are servers...they don't use the latest and greatest video cards (do I REALLY need a GeForce256 in my mail server?)
Boycotting a company now would just give them resentment of linux. Resentment turns to anti-linuxism, whichs turns to more "friends of microsoft"
I must agree with you.
I much prefer the BSD-style-licenses in that I can someday make profit off of something that I spend countless hours working on.
I'll all for free software, and open source, but I'm all for paying the bills and eating as well.
On a side note I still prefer the license Chat is released under, something along the lines of:
"If this software breaks, you can keep both halves"
"Ugh, did you see that, he wiped his nose on his sleeve...no normal law abiding citizen would do that!"
:P
"Oh my god, he didn't help that lady up, get the cameras ready!"
Ok, bad examples, but the point is, you can't follow what people do and try to make expectations. Most humans are by desire unpredictable, they will do what they can to be, because it gets them noticed. You can't see certain acts as defining a criminal (other than breaking a law) just because it's not what's expected...otherwise people like my friends and I will constantly have a camera crew after us
read the article.
they were planning on it.
it was an oversight.
shit happens.
Ok, how's that for stupid.
Last I checked, in the USA, you have to be 18 to enter a legally binding agreement. You agree to follow those rules. However if you're under 18 you cannot be legally forced to follow those rules because you are still a minor and cannot enter a legally binding agreement. That means that if you're under 18, get it anyways, and hope they don't come after your parents *evil grin*
...that people that spend a lot of time on the net DON'T cut off everything else. Even in the future, we will still use phones, or atleast voice chat over the net. People who spend the majority of their time on the net don't stop their lives. I still pick up a phone, and go to the store, because those things aren't easier online (as of yet). News and such are, so why buy what I can get free?
An interesting idea, but hire someone right for the job to do the test.
"something inferior like an ATI product."
Funny, really it is. Actually, everyone I know who has an ATI board is more than happy with it. Never has problems, etc. And I'm not talking about costs, yes the X server costs more...I have no reason nor need to buy AccelX, but the fact remains, that it's somethign you shoudln't have to do.
people shouldn't have to tailor make their PC's to use an OS...if I bought a new gfx card, I don't want to downgrade to something less powerful just to use XFree86.
Why do they bother? Because they have a good product. They support more cards than XFree86 does overall (last I checked atleast).
Not everything in your happy little linux world needs to be free for it to be good. A Free X server can't support as much hardware as a commercial one, because the commercial one will pay companies to write drivers or for specs, XFree86 can't afford to do this.
The same reason people pay for Windows.
It is commercial.
Free software is known (though sometimes incorrectly) as having no support. Commercial software gives people someone to rightfully bitch to if it doesn't work.
Yes this is slashdot, but slashdot isn't a linux site sir. This is news for nerds, not news for linux nerds.
:)
I know many people that frequent this site who detest linux, run windows NT, freeBSD, hell, dos
My guess would be their "binary compatibility with PalmOS" is the same as FreeBSD's binary compatibility with linux.
LinuxCE(gah) or whatever they wish it to be called can probably run PalmOS apps. This could be good.
Actually their page was updated with that weeks if not over a month ago...and yes the, err, comments are still there in the HTML.