Not to mention this has already been done before. Heck, Gentoo provides a "games-tailored" kernel for emerging.
It's really true, there are some fundamental issues that need to be resolved before having a games-based distro. Right now, there wouldn't be that many games to play on it anyway.
You think Slashdot is some sort of example of efficiency and speed?
My god, thinking about Slashcode alone makes my eyes bleed. I don't even want to think about their InnoDB setup.
I remember some guy posted about how switching to CSS would save around 20-40% or so of bandwidth. Taco's response? "Submit a patch if you want." So we're stuck with HTML 3.2 because Taco is a lazy ass who doesn't want to fix it himself.
Meanwhile, the groups that produce products like MySQL and PostgreSQL have had steady releases, a wealth of needed features, and relatively few security incidents.
Meanwhile, their OSS products lack incredibly necessary features and can't touch the commercial solutions.
What OSS products meet delivery deadlines anyway? It's easy for OSS projects to make fun of MS for that when they follow a "release early, release often" schedule of a new point release every damned month with miniscule updates. Commercial guys are adding on major revisions and features with each new product, because they have to SELL them and make them a worthy upgrade.
Why do I keep seeing this false meme repeated and repeated and repeated?
Longhorn never got "delayed" because it never had a release date. They were targetting late 2005. Then they came out and said late 2005 is possible, but they're targetting early 2006. They haven't changed a thing since.
So where did this "Longhorn is vaporware, it keeps getting delayed" idea start?
Until Linux desktops adopt an installation/uninstallation standard beyond the simple RPM-alike crap that's around now, Linux will always be an experience like that.
An installation API needs to exist that allows for software makers to have a simple installer on their CDs, just like in Windows, that allows them to install binaries, create shortcuts on the menu, and allow for proper uninstallation.
Doesn't look like that's gonna happen any time soon, though.
If you have to use WineX for your games, why would you buy a Linux machine? You'd just install Windows on it because you're emulating the Windows API anyway. And you'd get official 3D card drivers, less hassle, etc.
Seriously, what's the reason? Who here seriously uses Hotmail? This is a Linux site.
Things sometimes go offline for a day. Google's done it. I've been having Slashdot access problems in the past few days. Believe it or not, servers will go down for maintenance, especially high-volume places like Hotmail. It wasn't an attack or anything but simply internal maintenance and fixing.
The only reason this article got posted is so people can laugh at Microsoft. That's the *only* reason. It's pretty silly if you ask me. Next time Slashdot is down (or gets crapflooded to over 3000 posts like in the recent Intel CPU id article), should the Microsoft sites post about it and laugh?
I don't know, things like that seem more like a result of childhood. Everything's exciting back then. You don't think kids get excited over the new Tony Hawk game or the new Grand Theft Auto?
I'm very excitedly looking forward to Half-Life 2, Doom 3, Sims 2, Duke Nukem Forever, Black & White 2 (an aside--strange that they're all sequels...but I guess that has to do with the fact that you can't look forward to a new game because you know nothing about it!).
"IE hasn't been updated in years, it is stagnant and doesn't adopt the standards that other better solutions do! Let's post articles pointing it out.
Oh, uh...yeah, by the way, validating HTML standards on our own site has been disabled by the server so you can't see the results. Don't ask us about it because we won't answer. We haven't updated in years, we are stagnant, and we don't adopt the standards that other better sites do...but here's another standards-incompliant IE article to read! Just ignore our table columns spilling into the article summary..."
Does that mean Konquerer is illegally commingled code? If KDE somehow became the monopoly standard, would you be complaining about Konquerer or remain silent?
Just curious. I never got the whole "IE is integrated into Windows and that is somehow bad!" argument. I use Opera on Windows just fine.
I don't know if it's legal to make a backup using a flash cartridge. Nintendo probably doesn't really care. It's when you distribute that ROM. And it is illegal to download a ROM from the Internet, even if you have the game or not, I think. Illegal distribution of their intellectual property.
Slashdotters can bitch and moan about it, but is it really that bad? It's their property, and they can decide how to distribute it. We don't get to; they do.
...our own similar run-time framework? I mean, why isn't Java being embraced? Is there something inferior about Java? Is Mono the future, or should we instead be concentrating on creating something entirely innovated by the OSS community for use in GNU/Linux?
I'm not sure I like the idea of just blatantly copying Microsoft. As you correctly point out, it'll never truly be the.NET that Microsoft puts out.
Well, if we can get to the point where we can do things like those shown in this Longhorn video, development for Linux will definitely increase.
By the way, the video is worth watching not only for the cool technology but also to hear two Microsoft programmers ragging on each other. Totally opposite the kind of atmosphere you'd expect at Microsoft, I suppose.
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Not to mention this has already been done before. Heck, Gentoo provides a "games-tailored" kernel for emerging.
It's really true, there are some fundamental issues that need to be resolved before having a games-based distro. Right now, there wouldn't be that many games to play on it anyway.
"Microsoft SQL Server 2000." The word Microsoft in it outta clue you in.
Oh--"mickysoft?" What is this, a high school Linux user group in 1998?
You think Slashdot is some sort of example of efficiency and speed?
My god, thinking about Slashcode alone makes my eyes bleed. I don't even want to think about their InnoDB setup.
I remember some guy posted about how switching to CSS would save around 20-40% or so of bandwidth. Taco's response? "Submit a patch if you want." So we're stuck with HTML 3.2 because Taco is a lazy ass who doesn't want to fix it himself.
Meanwhile, the groups that produce products like MySQL and PostgreSQL have had steady releases, a wealth of needed features, and relatively few security incidents.
Meanwhile, their OSS products lack incredibly necessary features and can't touch the commercial solutions.
What OSS products meet delivery deadlines anyway? It's easy for OSS projects to make fun of MS for that when they follow a "release early, release often" schedule of a new point release every damned month with miniscule updates. Commercial guys are adding on major revisions and features with each new product, because they have to SELL them and make them a worthy upgrade.
Why do I keep seeing this false meme repeated and repeated and repeated?
Longhorn never got "delayed" because it never had a release date. They were targetting late 2005. Then they came out and said late 2005 is possible, but they're targetting early 2006. They haven't changed a thing since.
So where did this "Longhorn is vaporware, it keeps getting delayed" idea start?
Until Linux desktops adopt an installation/uninstallation standard beyond the simple RPM-alike crap that's around now, Linux will always be an experience like that.
An installation API needs to exist that allows for software makers to have a simple installer on their CDs, just like in Windows, that allows them to install binaries, create shortcuts on the menu, and allow for proper uninstallation.
Doesn't look like that's gonna happen any time soon, though.
If you have to use WineX for your games, why would you buy a Linux machine? You'd just install Windows on it because you're emulating the Windows API anyway. And you'd get official 3D card drivers, less hassle, etc.
Unlike Hotmail, which still runs primarily on UNIX, Passport is entirely based on Windows servers.
Hotmail has been running on Windows servers for several years now.
Seriously, what's the reason? Who here seriously uses Hotmail? This is a Linux site.
Things sometimes go offline for a day. Google's done it. I've been having Slashdot access problems in the past few days. Believe it or not, servers will go down for maintenance, especially high-volume places like Hotmail. It wasn't an attack or anything but simply internal maintenance and fixing.
The only reason this article got posted is so people can laugh at Microsoft. That's the *only* reason. It's pretty silly if you ask me. Next time Slashdot is down (or gets crapflooded to over 3000 posts like in the recent Intel CPU id article), should the Microsoft sites post about it and laugh?
Human nature tends to ruin any ideal governing structure. At least I'd say Democracy sucks the least.
Yes, I can, because NT's kernel is rock-stable. Much of the code is from VMS. Read any interview with the old kernel developers who began NT.
The stuff on top of the kernel is the unstable stuff. What about NT's kernel is unstable, exactly?
I don't know, things like that seem more like a result of childhood. Everything's exciting back then. You don't think kids get excited over the new Tony Hawk game or the new Grand Theft Auto?
I'm very excitedly looking forward to Half-Life 2, Doom 3, Sims 2, Duke Nukem Forever, Black & White 2 (an aside--strange that they're all sequels...but I guess that has to do with the fact that you can't look forward to a new game because you know nothing about it!).
...then I'll take some heed as to your notion of "appropriate" or not with respect to comments.
Fine, but then don't complain when companies don't take Linux seriously and instead view it as an amateur, volunteer, hacker effort only.
The fact that a profanity counter even exists is cause for alarm. Just my opinion.
Not *everything*--I hate the "GNU/Linux" label. :)
Bloat code? The bloat is the stuff on top of the kernel--the XP kernel is still an incredible piece of work. Clearly based on the VMS of old.
Cue the bad Matrix jokes. "Here they come..."
Slashdot:
"IE hasn't been updated in years, it is stagnant and doesn't adopt the standards that other better solutions do! Let's post articles pointing it out.
Oh, uh...yeah, by the way, validating HTML standards on our own site has been disabled by the server so you can't see the results. Don't ask us about it because we won't answer. We haven't updated in years, we are stagnant, and we don't adopt the standards that other better sites do...but here's another standards-incompliant IE article to read! Just ignore our table columns spilling into the article summary..."
illegally commingled code
Does that mean Konquerer is illegally commingled code? If KDE somehow became the monopoly standard, would you be complaining about Konquerer or remain silent?
Just curious. I never got the whole "IE is integrated into Windows and that is somehow bad!" argument. I use Opera on Windows just fine.
IE's getting updated within the month with SP2, that will add pop-up blocking and more.
And to think it'll be a wait of several years before IE is updated with Longhorn.
Windows XP SP2 is due out any month now. IE is receiving several upgrades--including pop-up blocking and a download manager.
I don't know if it's legal to make a backup using a flash cartridge. Nintendo probably doesn't really care. It's when you distribute that ROM. And it is illegal to download a ROM from the Internet, even if you have the game or not, I think. Illegal distribution of their intellectual property.
Slashdotters can bitch and moan about it, but is it really that bad? It's their property, and they can decide how to distribute it. We don't get to; they do.
This is on MSDN--the obvious assumption is that Windows developers will be watching it.
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The
.NET is designed to be and sold as a "cross platform" solution--a real way to do Java's "write once, run anywhere" line.
Write once, run anywhere--on other Windows systems, that is.
...our own similar run-time framework? I mean, why isn't Java being embraced? Is there something inferior about Java? Is Mono the future, or should we instead be concentrating on creating something entirely innovated by the OSS community for use in GNU/Linux?
.NET that Microsoft puts out.
I'm not sure I like the idea of just blatantly copying Microsoft. As you correctly point out, it'll never truly be the
Well, if we can get to the point where we can do things like those shown in this Longhorn video, development for Linux will definitely increase.
By the way, the video is worth watching not only for the cool technology but also to hear two Microsoft programmers ragging on each other. Totally opposite the kind of atmosphere you'd expect at Microsoft, I suppose.