One reason not to use Bing is they added Klingon to the translator? I suspect you're full of beans and weren't going to use Bing anyway. If the Google Translator adds Klingon are you going to switch to Ask.com?
I'm not an EE so I won't pretend to fully understand this particular case but I like it when tech companies reach a bit and try something hard. This may or may not be a good idea but I'm still excited about it.
Not me. Even before I was a vegetarian I thought those things were gross. Guess that makes me a hipster; I wasn't eating bugs before it was cool to not eat bugs.
>And you didn't answer my question, why is Winkey + letters better than 2 clicks for a frequently accessed program? Wasn't trying to dodge, just missed the exact question. The reason is because it's faster. I don't need to move my hands from the keyboard, grab a mouse and then navigate down different targets. But this would only be the case for the somewhat frequently used programs. The very frequently used programs would be pinned.
At any rate it seems we're now down to the point where your main complaint is based on a rare case where you are sitting at an unfamiliar system and what to see at a glance what's there. If that's what is really holding you back fine. It just seems you are giving up all the other things that make Win8 better than Win7 for some pretty small concerns.
Please don't take any of this personally. None of what I've said has been intended to be personal. I'm just some random person on the internet after all. Don't worry too much about it. Have a nice day. (not sarcasm)
In the rare case that you need to see everything that's installed you can use the All button of the start page. It's all categorized and easy to see everything that's installed. But I think for what you're talking about the add/remove control panel would be the best method. Which brings me to one of my very favorite Win 8 features: Winkey + X. This brings up a powerful admin quick access menu. To get to the Add / Remove Features panel it's just Winkey + X + F. It's so much better than navigating to the start button, clicking control panel and clicking the Add / Remove Features icon.
>Know what else hasn't changed much over the aeons? Bacteria.
I know this is not your main point but I can't let that slide. Bacteria changes all the time; an arms race as you mentioned. But it has also changed in much larger ways over time. We share a common ancestor after all. Now to address your main point more directly. Technology is like fashion in that change is guaranteed even if some elements remain standard. The simple black dress and a nice pair of blue jeans will always be in style. Windows 8 (even Win RT) still has a command line. It's not going anywhere. On the other hand, navigating a hierarchy of arbitrary depth to launch an app was made obsolete by Win7. Even in Win7 people should be pinning apps to the task bar or using the winkey + first letters of app name to launch the app. Navigating the start menu in Win7 should be a last resort.
Call it arrogance if you must but sometimes the end user does not know better, they only know what they know. I was going to use the old Henry Ford "quote" about people just wanting a faster horse but I like to check my sources and there's no evidence he actually said that. I think the spirit of the quote is valid though. People resist change. That's understandable because it's hard to know how things are going to work out and it's only after making the change that you can look back and say "yes, this is better".
Games for one. People run them full screen anyway. As much as people here (myself included) don't really like the App Store model most people clearly do. I know my wife and kid like having lots of free / low cost games that are easy to get.
It was nice to see them follow up Win7 with a new direction. We don't need endless cycles of more of the same. On the other hand it's also nice to see them respond to feedback. Metro is great for a lot of things but some people just can't let the start button go.
Nearly 4% in 6 months isn't bad especially when you consider the lower demand for PCs in general. Also, some portion of the XP and 7 users will never upgrade so the potential growth for a new OS is even lower. It's already the fourth most popular OS.
imo having a keyboard on my surface is only part of it. Just as great is the ability to plug in a real mouse like I do with a laptop when I want to go into PC mode.
Overlap is very nice. Day to day I'm on my desktop dev box but I don't do development when I travel. All I need is email / web / light office work. I just spent a week on the road with only my surface. Being able to plug a real mouse into it makes it the lightest traveling laptop I've ever had.
That's similar at my workplace only almost all the MB Pros are running Win7. Since Apple isn't a Windows OEM we have to pay full price for the install so MS has gotta be happy about that.
Last quarter everyone said how bad the PC did but 76+ million new units still shipped. Very few people use a tablet as their only computing device. Most people use them as companion devices but still have a pc of some type. This means they don't buy new PCs as often as they once did but they are still buying them. The PC market will shrink and this will hurt the oems that can't adjust but MS will be just fine.
A land analogy may fit better. Look up adverse possession (squatter's rights) laws. Basically if someone lives in a house or on land as if they were the true owner for some length of time (I think 10 years in some states) they can make a claim on the property. If someone is still using XP after all this time maybe they should also be able to make a claim.
That's putting it a bit too strong. The desktop is still there and works just fine in Win8. The metro stuff works well for some things and can be ignored the rest of the time. Storage Spaces, File History, and account syncing make up for any pain imo.
Why? Browse the/. comments for a posts about Metro. People *hate* sandboxing on the desktop because it restricts freedom. People expect their desktop to be a general purpose system in a way that they don't expect a phone or tablet to be.
Most of what infects Windows boxes are also trojans. If a system is up to date on patches (Win, OSX, Linux) it's more reliable to trick someone into installing something than find a hole.
but my surface RT is the best travel computer I've ever owned. When I'm on the road I don't need to compile apps or do heavy lifting. I need to check email, use word / excel and browse the web. So why is it better than any regular tablet? It's as light as a tablet when I want tablet mode but has support for a real mouse / keyboard when I don't.
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One reason not to use Bing is they added Klingon to the translator? I suspect you're full of beans and weren't going to use Bing anyway. If the Google Translator adds Klingon are you going to switch to Ask.com?
I'm not an EE so I won't pretend to fully understand this particular case but I like it when tech companies reach a bit and try something hard. This may or may not be a good idea but I'm still excited about it.
Not me. Even before I was a vegetarian I thought those things were gross. Guess that makes me a hipster; I wasn't eating bugs before it was cool to not eat bugs.
>And you didn't answer my question, why is Winkey + letters better than 2 clicks for a frequently accessed program?
Wasn't trying to dodge, just missed the exact question. The reason is because it's faster. I don't need to move my hands from the keyboard, grab a mouse and then navigate down different targets. But this would only be the case for the somewhat frequently used programs. The very frequently used programs would be pinned.
At any rate it seems we're now down to the point where your main complaint is based on a rare case where you are sitting at an unfamiliar system and what to see at a glance what's there. If that's what is really holding you back fine. It just seems you are giving up all the other things that make Win8 better than Win7 for some pretty small concerns.
Please don't take any of this personally. None of what I've said has been intended to be personal. I'm just some random person on the internet after all. Don't worry too much about it.
Have a nice day. (not sarcasm)
In the rare case that you need to see everything that's installed you can use the All button of the start page. It's all categorized and easy to see everything that's installed. But I think for what you're talking about the add/remove control panel would be the best method. Which brings me to one of my very favorite Win 8 features: Winkey + X. This brings up a powerful admin quick access menu. To get to the Add / Remove Features panel it's just Winkey + X + F. It's so much better than navigating to the start button, clicking control panel and clicking the Add / Remove Features icon.
>Know what else hasn't changed much over the aeons? Bacteria.
I know this is not your main point but I can't let that slide. Bacteria changes all the time; an arms race as you mentioned. But it has also changed in much larger ways over time. We share a common ancestor after all.
Now to address your main point more directly. Technology is like fashion in that change is guaranteed even if some elements remain standard. The simple black dress and a nice pair of blue jeans will always be in style. Windows 8 (even Win RT) still has a command line. It's not going anywhere. On the other hand, navigating a hierarchy of arbitrary depth to launch an app was made obsolete by Win7. Even in Win7 people should be pinning apps to the task bar or using the winkey + first letters of app name to launch the app. Navigating the start menu in Win7 should be a last resort.
Call it arrogance if you must but sometimes the end user does not know better, they only know what they know. I was going to use the old Henry Ford "quote" about people just wanting a faster horse but I like to check my sources and there's no evidence he actually said that. I think the spirit of the quote is valid though. People resist change. That's understandable because it's hard to know how things are going to work out and it's only after making the change that you can look back and say "yes, this is better".
Games for one. People run them full screen anyway. As much as people here (myself included) don't really like the App Store model most people clearly do. I know my wife and kid like having lots of free / low cost games that are easy to get.
It was nice to see them follow up Win7 with a new direction. We don't need endless cycles of more of the same. On the other hand it's also nice to see them respond to feedback. Metro is great for a lot of things but some people just can't let the start button go.
Nearly 4% in 6 months isn't bad especially when you consider the lower demand for PCs in general. Also, some portion of the XP and 7 users will never upgrade so the potential growth for a new OS is even lower. It's already the fourth most popular OS.
That's why surface is so great. I don't have to add a bunch of stuff to make it a functional travel system that can do some real work.
The wire isn't the issue, it's the cursor. iPads don't have a cursor.
imo having a keyboard on my surface is only part of it. Just as great is the ability to plug in a real mouse like I do with a laptop when I want to go into PC mode.
Overlap is very nice. Day to day I'm on my desktop dev box but I don't do development when I travel. All I need is email / web / light office work. I just spent a week on the road with only my surface. Being able to plug a real mouse into it makes it the lightest traveling laptop I've ever had.
That's similar at my workplace only almost all the MB Pros are running Win7. Since Apple isn't a Windows OEM we have to pay full price for the install so MS has gotta be happy about that.
They should have a small coding test you have to get through in order to get to the sign up page.
MS simulcast PDC in 2010. Not that Apple still would claim to have invented it if they did.
That's only works in a court of law. In the court of public opinion he is guilty as sin.
Last quarter everyone said how bad the PC did but 76+ million new units still shipped. Very few people use a tablet as their only computing device. Most people use them as companion devices but still have a pc of some type. This means they don't buy new PCs as often as they once did but they are still buying them. The PC market will shrink and this will hurt the oems that can't adjust but MS will be just fine.
A land analogy may fit better. Look up adverse possession (squatter's rights) laws. Basically if someone lives in a house or on land as if they were the true owner for some length of time (I think 10 years in some states) they can make a claim on the property. If someone is still using XP after all this time maybe they should also be able to make a claim.
That's putting it a bit too strong. The desktop is still there and works just fine in Win8. The metro stuff works well for some things and can be ignored the rest of the time. Storage Spaces, File History, and account syncing make up for any pain imo.
Only Apple doesn't respect the classic desktop experience either.
Selection bias. It's just easier to trick the average Win user into running something stinky.
Why? Browse the /. comments for a posts about Metro. People *hate* sandboxing on the desktop because it restricts freedom. People expect their desktop to be a general purpose system in a way that they don't expect a phone or tablet to be.
Most of what infects Windows boxes are also trojans. If a system is up to date on patches (Win, OSX, Linux) it's more reliable to trick someone into installing something than find a hole.
but my surface RT is the best travel computer I've ever owned. When I'm on the road I don't need to compile apps or do heavy lifting. I need to check email, use word / excel and browse the web. So why is it better than any regular tablet? It's as light as a tablet when I want tablet mode but has support for a real mouse / keyboard when I don't.