The last 3 entries are about the friggin *icon* for Thunderbird. And it was from Feb 2004.
It sure doesn't look like a lot of effort is being put into the Mozilla Calendar. =/
Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR
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"Sunbird" just doesn't cut it.
See my other comments expressing my frustration at the lack of a decent calendar solution from the Mozilla group.
People don't understand how seriously upper management types take their calendar apps and how much the Outlook calendar holds them to Outlook, even without Exchange!
Yes, Mozilla has a lot of nice features. But you know what's keeping people from switching (at least in our organization)?
Calendar.
Netscape 4.x had a nice calendar that worked great with Netscape Calendar Server. Mozilla Calendar (sunbird/whatever) just doesn't cut it. It fails to send calendar invites properly. When a user receives one, it opens it in a browser window, displaying the raw.ics file. Not friendly for users. We don't even use Exchange at all - and people still want to cling to Outlook because of its Calendaring features.
I cannot stress how important this actually is! We're not the only company that has users sticking to Outlook because of the calendar... I've dealt with quite a few others. Users like to have their email & organizer functions in one. None of them use Palm Desktop because it's still a seperate app.
The users that I *have* moved to Mozilla really like it. But the rest? They won't budge unless there's a fully functional calendar - one that lets you accept calendar invites, add them to the calendar, and send them with a few clicks. Mozilla Calendar just isn't doing this right now and I don't understand why the team doesn't direct effort towards 'enterprise features' rather than Chatzilla.
"I can tell you that I did not feel the least bit sorry for the American call center employees whose jobs were sent to India. The Americans in the center were men and women right out of high school and college with crappy attitudes and a streak of laziness a mile wide.
I worked in a GE sub business that moved some of our calls to the GE facility in India. I will agree that our call center staff in America was as you described. If they would have gone through and done drug testing about half of the call takers would have been fired "
And what was done to try to improve the quality of service? Were they actually paid decently? Were they treated like mindless sheep like a lot of call center employees? Were ex-MCI drone managers that cared about nothing but numbers brought in?
Oh, it was easier & cheaper to just fire everyone and outsource them. How has the service improved? They may have saved a bit of money in the long run, but that's probably about it.
I've spent many hours dealing with India based tech support & customer service. I cannot agree that the level of service has improved one single bit. In fact, when I *do* get support from someone that's obviously in the US, the level of support seems higher - maybe some "cleanup" in the call center market has occured?
Create a fully functional calendar. One that *works*
No, "Sunbird" doesn't count. No, the current nightlies aren't even close. When you right click -> "Send Event" to someone else using the same version of Mozilla, it should add the event to their calendar, not open the.ics file in a new browser window.
Make the calendar work. Please. Help organizations that are tied to Outlook simply for calendaring break free. No, phpgroupware doesn't count. Integrated mail & calendaring. Needed! THemes = fluff. Calendaring = required.
Mirror here - and this is kind of a neat looking project. Do they have any plans to make any more? From the looks of it, they want to be able to take these things out in public to create a WiFi network.
Maybe they can hook up with the Huge Ass WiFi Backpack Guy from the other day?
Red Hat happily passed the buck to Dell, who promply passed it back to Red Hat. The issue? Dual Xeon PowerEdge 2650s randomly locking up under heavy load, and/or only seeing one processor. Both Red Hat & Dell have been bouncing it back & forth between each other, and have not provided us with a solution. This particular issue doesn't occur under Gentoo on the same hardware.
Having someone to call might make management happy, but the end result has still been the same.
We may choose SuSE now that Novell is standing behind them. Novell and IBM, actually. That says quite a lot, and we've had excellent support from IBM.
You can set up local repositories, install from packages (emerge --usepkg), etc.
FreeBSD is similar..binary updates available.
The reason WE stick with Red Hat is because of a few Red Hat fanboys that are just scared shitless of doing anything the non-Red Hat way, and because of vendor support (although that is seriously lacking these days too...damn you Dell)
Grandma Millie probably got the older PC with pirated XP for free from Grandson Hax0r Don because she's on a fixed income and cannot afford to buy a new PC.
So, she has no idea what's legal & not, and is now hosed. Thanks, Microsoft!
If I'm at home, and my ex-girlfriend opens all of my mail and hides it from me until she decides to give it back, there seems to be NOTHING that I can do about it.
Yes, it happened to me. Yes, I consulted with the police department and the US Postal Service.
Nothing that could be done.
However, if you're caught driving around with someone elses mail, *that* might be different.
* Can't cut & paste the WEP key into the "Key" field. * Have to enter the key twice.
These things are making WEP more of a nuisance than a feature to some users. They complain about having to type everything in twice, so they ask that WEP be disabled so they can just join the network and not have to fuss with "128bit HEX keys" and other annoying things.
Is LEAP a better way to go? Maybe that will trickle down into the SOHO market.
If it's easy for users, they might just do it. The problem is that it's not easy - unless you have a Mac & AirPort.
..they were constantly laying off people at a plant near Sacramento. I think that they might have even shut it down by now. They were always citing the economy and financial hardships.
Yes, Samba 3 is already available - they have a sort of "stable" tree and "unstable" too. The "unstable" is usually "ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86"" - that'll get you the bleeding edge stuff instead of the more "stable" stuff.:)
I have Samba 3.0.2 on a box here and it's been working great. In fact, in my first "desktop Linux experience" since Caldera eDesktop 2.4, I installed Gentoo & KDE. Just "emerge kde" and then go to sleep. ON a reasonably fast machine, it didn't take too long.
My sound card Just Worked. nvidia-drivers? Worked. I followed the "Desktop Guide" on www.gentoo.org (under "Other Docs") and everything went quite well.
Dual-booting with Grub is possible, but I just got a KVM and put Windows on a seperate machine. Kind of hard to get to your Samba server when you've rebooted it to use Windows.:-)
I have no desire to try Fedora, Red Hat Enterprise, SuSE (I used to be a SuSE guy, too) or anything else. I have been very happy with Gentoo. If I went anywhere, it'd probably be to OpenBSD/FreeBSD.
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I'd like to go through a course or two and pick up some vendor certs for stuff we use at work..
But management tells me "Just read about it on the web" instead of saying "Sure, we'll send you through the courses!"
I haven't seen a lot of Juniper coursework showing up on the web. Sigh.
We have an asshat at work that has *just started* asking ALL THREE of those questions to interviewees.
I told him it was stupid. He ignored me.
Glad I'm not alone. heh.
Yes, but look at how much work has been done.
The last 3 entries are about the friggin *icon* for Thunderbird.
And it was from Feb 2004.
It sure doesn't look like a lot of effort is being put into the Mozilla Calendar. =/
"Sunbird" just doesn't cut it.
See my other comments expressing my frustration at the lack of a decent calendar solution from the Mozilla group.
People don't understand how seriously upper management types take their calendar apps and how much the Outlook calendar holds them to Outlook, even without Exchange!
Yes, Mozilla has a lot of nice features. But you know what's keeping people from switching (at least in our organization)?
.ics file. Not friendly for users.
Calendar.
Netscape 4.x had a nice calendar that worked great with Netscape Calendar Server.
Mozilla Calendar (sunbird/whatever) just doesn't cut it. It fails to send calendar invites properly. When a user receives one, it opens it in a browser window, displaying the raw
We don't even use Exchange at all - and people still want to cling to Outlook because of its Calendaring features.
I cannot stress how important this actually is! We're not the only company that has users sticking to Outlook because of the calendar... I've dealt with quite a few others.
Users like to have their email & organizer functions in one.
None of them use Palm Desktop because it's still a seperate app.
The users that I *have* moved to Mozilla really like it. But the rest? They won't budge unless there's a fully functional calendar - one that lets you accept calendar invites, add them to the calendar, and send them with a few clicks.
Mozilla Calendar just isn't doing this right now and I don't understand why the team doesn't direct effort towards 'enterprise features' rather than Chatzilla.
Quit modding it. :P
At least XM has "Playboy Radio" or something. heh.
That's kind of like listening to a golf game on the radio.
"I can tell you that I did not feel the least bit sorry for the American call center employees whose jobs were sent to India. The Americans in the center were men and women right out of high school and college with crappy attitudes and a streak of laziness a mile wide.
I worked in a GE sub business that moved some of our calls to the GE facility in India. I will agree that our call center staff in America was as you described. If they would have gone through and done drug testing about half of the call takers would have been fired "
And what was done to try to improve the quality of service? Were they actually paid decently? Were they treated like mindless sheep like a lot of call center employees? Were ex-MCI drone managers that cared about nothing but numbers brought in?
Oh, it was easier & cheaper to just fire everyone and outsource them.
How has the service improved? They may have saved a bit of money in the long run, but that's probably about it.
I've spent many hours dealing with India based tech support & customer service. I cannot agree that the level of service has improved one single bit.
In fact, when I *do* get support from someone that's obviously in the US, the level of support seems higher - maybe some "cleanup" in the call center market has occured?
and you're on Slashdot?
Damn, know any Linux sysadmins? Red Hat/Gentoo?
email me. Seriously. We have a few openings to fill at work and have seriously had very few applicants..
Quit jerking off with which theme is the default.
.ics file in a new browser window.
Create a fully functional calendar. One that *works*
No, "Sunbird" doesn't count. No, the current nightlies aren't even close.
When you right click -> "Send Event" to someone else using the same version of Mozilla, it should add the event to their calendar, not open the
Make the calendar work. Please. Help organizations that are tied to Outlook simply for calendaring break free.
No, phpgroupware doesn't count. Integrated mail & calendaring. Needed!
THemes = fluff.
Calendaring = required.
C'mon, people..
The movie is "Gigli"
Low-end model is like $400 higher than it was yesterday.
Crap, I just barely got the OK to get one at work for that price..
I hate it when the price jumps up like that.
Mirror here - and this is kind of a neat looking project. Do they have any plans to make any more? From the looks of it, they want to be able to take these things out in public to create a WiFi network.
Maybe they can hook up with the Huge Ass WiFi Backpack Guy from the other day?
We're better off going with Apple or Sun.
Why?
Red Hat happily passed the buck to Dell, who promply passed it back to Red Hat. The issue? Dual Xeon PowerEdge 2650s randomly locking up under heavy load, and/or only seeing one processor. Both Red Hat & Dell have been bouncing it back & forth between each other, and have not provided us with a solution.
This particular issue doesn't occur under Gentoo on the same hardware.
Having someone to call might make management happy, but the end result has still been the same.
We may choose SuSE now that Novell is standing behind them. Novell and IBM, actually. That says quite a lot, and we've had excellent support from IBM.
You can set up local repositories, install from packages (emerge --usepkg), etc.
FreeBSD is similar..binary updates available.
The reason WE stick with Red Hat is because of a few Red Hat fanboys that are just scared shitless of doing anything the non-Red Hat way, and because of vendor support (although that is seriously lacking these days too...damn you Dell)
Grandma Millie probably got the older PC with pirated XP for free from Grandson Hax0r Don because she's on a fixed income and cannot afford to buy a new PC.
So, she has no idea what's legal & not, and is now hosed. Thanks, Microsoft!
Damn, that is OLD!
Version 0.9
Released March 1st, 1999
And people are STILL running it. heh.
Near San Francisco, CA. I have the feeling that is exactly what happened - I have no absolute proof, and they didn't want to pursue it.
:-)
Sigh.
Oh well. Not much I can do about it now - but remain single.
If I'm at home, and my ex-girlfriend opens all of my mail and hides it from me until she decides to give it back, there seems to be NOTHING that I can do about it.
Yes, it happened to me. Yes, I consulted with the police department and the US Postal Service.
Nothing that could be done.
However, if you're caught driving around with someone elses mail, *that* might be different.
* Can't cut & paste the WEP key into the "Key" field.
* Have to enter the key twice.
These things are making WEP more of a nuisance than a feature to some users. They complain about having to type everything in twice, so they ask that WEP be disabled so they can just join the network and not have to fuss with "128bit HEX keys" and other annoying things.
Is LEAP a better way to go? Maybe that will trickle down into the SOHO market.
If it's easy for users, they might just do it. The problem is that it's not easy - unless you have a Mac & AirPort.
Things have improved quite a bit, in my experience. Less "buggy" packages slipping through portage & everything.
:)
:D
Sometimes there's stuff that won't compile, but I have found that by a)checking forums/irc/etc, and b)filing a bug gets quick results.
I also wait a few days after major announcements to install anything. Let everyone else guinea-pig it!
Where's Morgan Webb? :P
..they were constantly laying off people at a plant near Sacramento. I think that they might have even shut it down by now.
They were always citing the economy and financial hardships.
In Japan, you will often find a ramen shop that is literally the back of some tiny little pickup truck. Usually outside of a train station.
:)
Some of the best damn ramen and coldest beers around!
Cheap, too. See, guys *do* like quality food. We just like CHEAP food too.
Yes, Samba 3 is already available - they have a sort of "stable" tree and "unstable" too. The "unstable" is usually "ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86"" - that'll get you the bleeding edge stuff instead of the more "stable" stuff. :)
:-)
I have Samba 3.0.2 on a box here and it's been working great.
In fact, in my first "desktop Linux experience" since Caldera eDesktop 2.4, I installed Gentoo & KDE. Just "emerge kde" and then go to sleep. ON a reasonably fast machine, it didn't take too long.
My sound card Just Worked. nvidia-drivers? Worked. I followed the "Desktop Guide" on www.gentoo.org (under "Other Docs") and everything went quite well.
Dual-booting with Grub is possible, but I just got a KVM and put Windows on a seperate machine. Kind of hard to get to your Samba server when you've rebooted it to use Windows.
I have no desire to try Fedora, Red Hat Enterprise, SuSE (I used to be a SuSE guy, too) or anything else. I have been very happy with Gentoo. If I went anywhere, it'd probably be to OpenBSD/FreeBSD.
But Gentoo is here to stay in these parts..