Plugger 4.0 worked well for me with an MPlayer/Galeon combo. I'll give out a Plugger hint you won't find on the Plugger site. At on my Debian machine it needed a little help to register it's MIME types with Mozilla. Put a copy of the pluggerrc file in the.mozilla directory in your $HOME. Any time you edit the pluggerrc (the one in your $HOME/.mozilla) to add another MIME type, delete the appreg file in the same directory. This forces Mozilla/Galeon to reparse the pluggerc file.
Plugger recently updated to 4.0, be sure you're using that version. Plugger can be had from:
http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger.html
BTW. I was able to compile it under Debian PowerPC and it worked fine there.
If worst comes to worst, the raw signal components can be extracted from CRT neck boards. LCD screens with potted up components are harder but not impossible. There are chemicals specifically designed to dissolve expoxies while leaving other plastics undamaged. Even if that is not an option, there are always Dremel tools and X-Ray machines. Expose the neck board or the wire matrix driving an LCD and that signal is had. I've also seen CCD cameras that produce very watchable results when pointed at a display screen. Is that a lot of trouble? Absolutely but only one person has to post the results.
As for their little encrypted USB speakers...forget it. The hi-fi market alone is enough to blow those guys out of the water and even then I don't care how many potted up magic chips are in the speakers. I'll cut the cones out and clip out most of the voice coil. Replace that voice coil with a fixed inductor and resistor and guess what? I'll cheerfully blow 20 bucks on a pair of USB-O-Matics to create that little "circumvention device". Idiots.
Sometimes those quirky independent Iranian films aren't half bad. Sundance and IFC plays 'em. Iranian law sharply circumscribes what can be put in movies and Iranian producers are often creative in being entertaining in spite of these. You have the job of making something interesting with next to no violence and sex. It's difficult but they often pull it off. I think it's because they're have no choice but to pay attention character development and plot. The best results are a lot like some of the better 40s and 50s cinema.
The performance isn't the best but it has been common practice with "evaluation" distros to install Linux in a flat file that lives on the Windows filesystem. If worst comes to worst and the user doesn't like it, then the directory can be dragged to the trash and that is the end of that. The distro could include a prominent desktop link that explains in plain English the pros and pitfalls of a full dedicated partition install.
When you see this on SourceForge, it generally means that everything the project has done up to that point is considered beta quality at best. There is no official "release" of the project yet. However, there is often a CVS repository that can be used to slurp up the current state of the project. The parent poster was attempting to point out that you can still use CVS to download this from SourceForge. I hope Blizzard misses this point long enough for a ton of people to get the files.
In addition to the boycotts being called for, I thought of a way for development to start back up. Use anonymous remailers to post signed tarballs and patches to USENET. That's awkward but would allow development to start back up unimpeded by Blizzards lawyerbots. Serve 'em right too.
This could be a killer app for Freenet if someone could think of a way to host a project inside it's cloud.
From reading the archive, I think Jeremy White was making another point. The problem is not so much that TransGaming is not sharing code. The problem is that everybody knows that they are doing a lot of heavy lifting to make games work. JW says that prior to TransGaming entering the field, the bulk of contributions to WINE were game related. Since no one wants to duplicate TransGaming's work, non TransGaming DirectX contributions have dropped off to almost nothing. He also mentioned that one developer spent three weeks duplicating some InstallShield functionality that CodeWeavers developed. Basically, proprietary companies are being seen by developers at large as "owning" particular segments of Wine development. In short, JW is worried about an ongoing brain-drain.
There is another problem. He says that he and other core developers are often hired to implement spot bits of functionality that allow particular applications to be ported to *nix. The current licence encourages the clients to want to own the for hire work even though it is the end result (the application can be sold on *nix.) that is important and not a few snippets of code to WINE. If WINE were LGPLed, WINE developers would still be hired to assist with application porting but they wouldn't waste their time on work that doesn't advance the overall effort. This bears some explicit pointing out for would be trolls. The LGPL means that the ported applications remain the property of the clients yet would allow the changes to WINE to go back into the main tree. JW wants a clear set of rules so clients know before the fact what belongs to the project and what belongs to them.
I have to make a small correction here. When I open a new tab on a slow site, a tab does appear immediately. At first the tab will have no TITLE on it. As more data comes in, the site's TITLE appears in red on the tab. At this point, I may or may not see partial rendering of the page if I make the tab active. When the site is completely loaded, the TITLE on the tab turns blue.
I opened a tab to respond to your post and it took less than a second to do so. The machine is based on a K6-2 500Mhz processor and is running XFree86 4.1.0. The Galeon is 1.0.2 and depends on Mozilla 0.9.7 for it's Gecko. I've had tabs take longer when the other end is a slow pipe but I can't blame that on the UI.
It's been pointed out by earlier posters that a 5 cent resistor across the decrypted input to a USB driver (the actual speaker) makes a great source for a line-in. If they get cute and try potting it up with "tamper-proof compounds" the we can always decone some cheap USB speakers and get access that way.
The obvious thing for Prodigy to do is to call Douglas Englebart as a star witness. You can watch video of a point and click hypertext system he was demoing back in 1968. One place that can be seen is here:
http://sloan.stanford.edu/MouseSite/1968Demo.htm l
He even demoed a shared display system between two geographically separated terminals. If I was BT and saw Englebart on the defence's witness list, I would sue for peace immediately. 1968 for Pete's sake! Those guys need to be slapped upside the head with a wet mackeral.
I keep the machines working in a public school district and walked in some kids playing a ShockWave game. The game was a tank game with green vector graphics and even had the volcano on the horizon. Of course, it had a lot of so called innovations like powerups but they looked at me quizically when I said, "Hey this is basically BattleZone." They were members of the school's geek squad too. Kids these days:-).
I had a little trouble getting all of the modules to work with one of his 2.4.17rc kernels. I figured what the hey and emailed him. He straightened me right out. I suppose the world of PPC Linux is small enough that a leading light can have a little time for an end user like me.
As a group, BSD advocates are no more immune to licence zealotry and fanboyism than Linuxers. Anybody remember the picture of the Daemon doing Tux up the butt? How about the tiff the pf author got into with Theo and let's not forget his special "no GPL" license. I've also seen lots of BSD advocates get horked off over GPL forks of BSD code yet be delighted over proprietary forks. I even sometimes wonder if the entire universe would go up in a flash of gamma rays if Brett Glass were to ever shake hands with Richard Stallman.
If every instance of BSD and Linux were exchanged in your post it wouldn't come off any differently.
Linux is often faster. Just like Intel Linux, it's possible to create a custom stripped down desktop with no fat. I've become accustomed to how things work on my Intel Linux machines and like having almost the same environment on my Pismo Powerbook. I also prefer the GNU utilities over the BSD ones (flame away...it's just a preference...get over it).
OSX is also next to useless on older hardware. We use 233Mhz Beige G3 desktop as an internal server. It's running ssh, Apache-SSL, NTP, mySQL, Apache, and Netatalk. The Apache/mySQL setup powers our troubleticket/inventory system. The Netatalk/Samba combo makes files available to both Mac and Windows clients. It does all of this with very acceptable speed and reliablity. The machine has zero need for a GUI...and doesn't have one. I suppose I could use Darwin but the machine wouldn't do it's work any better and I would have to mess with fussy ports of the daemons. It has full apt-get goodness....I forgot to mention that it is dead easy to admin.
So yeah, there are valid reasons to use Linux on PPC hardware.
The default state of most DVD players is to have all of the fuckware features enabled. However, hardware manufacturers have nothing to gain expending energy to protect the fuckware. Within days of a player coming on the market new firmware is available to restore full functionality. The only thing that is often necessary is to burn a firmware cd and stick in the player. In my case, I'm going to have to use a little skill to build a twenty dollar firmware burner but it won't be any big deal.
The same will happen with CD-ROM drives. The manufacturers will make them the same way they do now but not go to any great trouble to obfuscate the firmware. Why should they spend all that money on expensive engineers when it's going to get hacked anyway. It's the media conglomerates that are obsessed about this. The hardware companies (except for one's like Sony) just want to sell the kit and get out.
My favorite was Warlords with Capture Ball and Fast Release enabled. Am I going to......nail you....nail you.....OR NAIL YOU EAT THIS! Yep, it looked like crap but sure was fun. The competition factor was completely different from fragging people in huge arena. There was no running around trying to find someone. Everybody was right there and fighting for control of the ball so they could get their licks in. Since it was a paddle game, the Capture Ball variants allowed fast unpredictable attacks. The psychology of this game is fantastic.
Is there any possibility that another gaming house might buy the Loki ports? It is indeed a fantasy to expect that code to be open sourced but it would be a shame if it died entirely. Perhaps a publisher with a better business model can get some milage out of them.
Any firm with that kind of power wouldn't necessarily have to tolerate that sort of ham handedness. I suppose that if the price is right, China or Russia would cheerfully launch their comsats. I also have little doubt that connectivity for the constellation could be bought from somewhere as well.
The teachers in my school district use video projectors all the time. In other respects they are "low end consumer" users but the inclusion of this feature means we don't have to buy higher scale Macs. One of Apple's strongest markets is education and they do listen to their needs. I agree that the dongle is questionable but the inclusion of the feature IS wise.
Those pencils put Graphite dust into the microgravity environment. The dust was free to float into the electronics and other systems. Once we perfected the zero-G pens, the Russians used them as well. The Russian Pencil is a poor example of low tech smarts over high tech stupidity.
I despise Windows as much as anyone else but the Linux situation is not as rosy as you let one. I've had bad luck with older versions of DRI for the Matrox G200/400 cards. Descent II would often corrupt the screen very badly. I could ssh into the box and kill Descent and even restart or kill X but that would get my screen box. I suppose you could point out that since I could ssh in that it didn't crash....but I still had to reboot to put the video card back into a sane state. The video card most certainly did crash even if the rest of the machine didn't. I've had other driver problems now and again even lock me out of the console. Driver code is loaded directly into the kernel. It has more privledges than God.
Now I understand that systems like the HURD are supposed to protect even against bad driver code but even that is no bulwark against freaked out hardware. There are more and less robust systems. I will agree that Linux is generally more robust than Windows but it isn't perfect. NOTHING is.
The northern polar ice cap is indeed a big ice cube and will act much as you say. The anarctic cap however is sitting on a continent. That ice is not part of the oceans displacement in any form. If the southern polar ice cap melts, the oceans will indeed rise. Runoff from places like Greenland will probably count some as well.
How many people here would LOVE to catch someone in the act of futzing with their boxes? If they try this on someone who is halfway awake then the cat is out of the bag. One way or another, the software and physical devices involved are going to be revealed. If they're lucky, it will be "HA! HA!" cypherpunk style messages posted loudly to the net. If they're unlucky then organized crime types are going to have a joyous time feeding them misinformation. Mafiosi can employ good IT and security people too. If enough of this sort of thing happens then they certainly will.
I used to use methanol in an ultrasonic cleaner to remove crud from instrument parts. After the sonic bath, I would use a spray bottle of methanol to hose the deposit dissolved alcohol from the parts. I have gotten quite a bit of it on my hands and it did not make me go blind or even so much as get dizzy. I worked in a well ventilated room and neither drank or deliberately inhaled the stuff. It's toxic if you drink it or inhale a boatload of it.
A few drops on your hand will NOT make one go blind. Gasoline is more dangerous than this stuff.
BTW I sense some flames coming so I will point out the ultrasonic cleaner was NOT filled with methanol. The tub held water as usual and the parts were put in a little tupperware dish of methanol. The tupperware dish was covered and THEN put into the cleaner. Once the parts were cleaned and rinsed with fresh methanol, they were allowed to drip dry and then baked out in a lab oven.
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Plugger 4.0 worked well for me with an MPlayer/Galeon combo. I'll give out a Plugger hint you won't find on the Plugger site. At on my Debian machine it needed a little help to register it's MIME types with Mozilla. Put a copy of the pluggerrc file in the .mozilla directory in your $HOME. Any time you edit the pluggerrc (the one in your $HOME/.mozilla) to add another MIME type, delete the appreg file in the same directory. This forces Mozilla/Galeon to reparse the pluggerc file.
Plugger recently updated to 4.0, be sure you're using that version. Plugger can be had from:
http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger.html
BTW. I was able to compile it under Debian PowerPC and it worked fine there.
If worst comes to worst, the raw signal components can be extracted from CRT neck boards. LCD screens with potted up components are harder but not impossible. There are chemicals specifically designed to dissolve expoxies while leaving other plastics undamaged. Even if that is not an option, there are always Dremel tools and X-Ray machines. Expose the neck board or the wire matrix driving an LCD and that signal is had. I've also seen CCD cameras that produce very watchable results when pointed at a display screen. Is that a lot of trouble? Absolutely but only one person has to post the results.
As for their little encrypted USB speakers...forget it. The hi-fi market alone is enough to blow those guys out of the water and even then I don't care how many potted up magic chips are in the speakers. I'll cut the cones out and clip out most of the voice coil. Replace that voice coil with a fixed inductor and resistor and guess what? I'll cheerfully blow 20 bucks on a pair of USB-O-Matics to create that little "circumvention device". Idiots.
Sometimes those quirky independent Iranian films aren't half bad. Sundance and IFC plays 'em. Iranian law sharply circumscribes what can be put in movies and Iranian producers are often creative in being entertaining in spite of these. You have the job of making something interesting with next to no violence and sex. It's difficult but they often pull it off. I think it's because they're have no choice but to pay attention character development and plot. The best results are a lot like some of the better 40s and 50s cinema.
The performance isn't the best but it has been common practice with "evaluation" distros to install Linux in a flat file that lives on the Windows filesystem. If worst comes to worst and the user doesn't like it, then the directory can be dragged to the trash and that is the end of that. The distro could include a prominent desktop link that explains in plain English the pros and pitfalls of a full dedicated partition install.
"This Project Has Not Released Any Files"
When you see this on SourceForge, it generally means that everything the project has done up to that point is considered beta quality at best. There is no official "release" of the project yet. However, there is often a CVS repository that can be used to slurp up the current state of the project. The parent poster was attempting to point out that you can still use CVS to download this from SourceForge. I hope Blizzard misses this point long enough for a ton of people to get the files.
In addition to the boycotts being called for, I thought of a way for development to start back up. Use anonymous remailers to post signed tarballs and patches to USENET. That's awkward but would allow development to start back up unimpeded by Blizzards lawyerbots. Serve 'em right too.
This could be a killer app for Freenet if someone could think of a way to host a project inside it's cloud.
From reading the archive, I think Jeremy White was making another point. The problem is not so much that TransGaming is not sharing code. The problem is that everybody knows that they are doing a lot of heavy lifting to make games work. JW says that prior to TransGaming entering the field, the bulk of contributions to WINE were game related. Since no one wants to duplicate TransGaming's work, non TransGaming DirectX contributions have dropped off to almost nothing. He also mentioned that one developer spent three weeks duplicating some InstallShield functionality that CodeWeavers developed. Basically, proprietary companies are being seen by developers at large as "owning" particular segments of Wine development. In short, JW is worried about an ongoing brain-drain.
There is another problem. He says that he and other core developers are often hired to implement spot bits of functionality that allow particular applications to be ported to *nix. The current licence encourages the clients to want to own the for hire work even though it is the end result (the application can be sold on *nix.) that is important and not a few snippets of code to WINE. If WINE were LGPLed, WINE developers would still be hired to assist with application porting but they wouldn't waste their time on work that doesn't advance the overall effort. This bears some explicit pointing out for would be trolls. The LGPL means that the ported applications remain the property of the clients yet would allow the changes to WINE to go back into the main tree. JW wants a clear set of rules so clients know before the fact what belongs to the project and what belongs to them.
I have to make a small correction here. When I open a new tab on a slow site, a tab does appear immediately. At first the tab will have no TITLE on it. As more data comes in, the site's TITLE appears in red on the tab. At this point, I may or may not see partial rendering of the page if I make the tab active. When the site is completely loaded, the TITLE on the tab turns blue.
I opened a tab to respond to your post and it took less than a second to do so. The machine is based on a K6-2 500Mhz processor and is running XFree86 4.1.0. The Galeon is 1.0.2 and depends on Mozilla 0.9.7 for it's Gecko. I've had tabs take longer when the other end is a slow pipe but I can't blame that on the UI.
It's been pointed out by earlier posters that a 5 cent resistor across the decrypted input to a USB driver (the actual speaker) makes a great source for a line-in. If they get cute and try potting it up with "tamper-proof compounds" the we can always decone some cheap USB speakers and get access that way.
The obvious thing for Prodigy to do is to call Douglas Englebart as a star witness. You can watch video of a point and click hypertext system he was demoing back in 1968. One place that can be seen is here:
m l
http://sloan.stanford.edu/MouseSite/1968Demo.ht
He even demoed a shared display system between two geographically separated terminals. If I was BT and saw Englebart on the defence's witness list, I would sue for peace immediately. 1968 for Pete's sake! Those guys need to be slapped upside the head with a wet mackeral.
I keep the machines working in a public school district and walked in some kids playing a ShockWave game. The game was a tank game with green vector graphics and even had the volcano on the horizon. Of course, it had a lot of so called innovations like powerups but they looked at me quizically when I said, "Hey this is basically BattleZone." They were members of the school's geek squad too. Kids these days :-).
I had a little trouble getting all of the modules to work with one of his 2.4.17rc kernels. I figured what the hey and emailed him. He straightened me right out. I suppose the world of PPC Linux is small enough that a leading light can have a little time for an end user like me.
As a group, BSD advocates are no more immune to licence zealotry and fanboyism than Linuxers. Anybody remember the picture of the Daemon doing Tux up the butt? How about the tiff the pf author got into with Theo and let's not forget his special "no GPL" license. I've also seen lots of BSD advocates get horked off over GPL forks of BSD code yet be delighted over proprietary forks. I even sometimes wonder if the entire universe would go up in a flash of gamma rays if Brett Glass were to ever shake hands with Richard Stallman.
If every instance of BSD and Linux were exchanged in your post it wouldn't come off any differently.
Linux is often faster. Just like Intel Linux, it's possible to create a custom stripped down desktop with no fat. I've become accustomed to how things work on my Intel Linux machines and like having almost the same environment on my Pismo Powerbook. I also prefer the GNU utilities over the BSD ones (flame away...it's just a preference...get over it).
OSX is also next to useless on older hardware. We use 233Mhz Beige G3 desktop as an internal server. It's running ssh, Apache-SSL, NTP, mySQL, Apache, and Netatalk. The Apache/mySQL setup powers our troubleticket/inventory system. The Netatalk/Samba combo makes files available to both Mac and Windows clients. It does all of this with very acceptable speed and reliablity. The machine has zero need for a GUI...and doesn't have one. I suppose I could use Darwin but the machine wouldn't do it's work any better and I would have to mess with fussy ports of the daemons. It has full apt-get goodness....I forgot to mention that it is dead easy to admin.
So yeah, there are valid reasons to use Linux on PPC hardware.
The default state of most DVD players is to have all of the fuckware features enabled. However, hardware manufacturers have nothing to gain expending energy to protect the fuckware. Within days of a player coming on the market new firmware is available to restore full functionality. The only thing that is often necessary is to burn a firmware cd and stick in the player. In my case, I'm going to have to use a little skill to build a twenty dollar firmware burner but it won't be any big deal.
The same will happen with CD-ROM drives. The manufacturers will make them the same way they do now but not go to any great trouble to obfuscate the firmware. Why should they spend all that money on expensive engineers when it's going to get hacked anyway. It's the media conglomerates that are obsessed about this. The hardware companies (except for one's like Sony) just want to sell the kit and get out.
My favorite was Warlords with Capture Ball and Fast Release enabled. Am I going to......nail you....nail you.....OR NAIL YOU EAT THIS! Yep, it looked like crap but sure was fun. The competition factor was completely different from fragging people in huge arena. There was no running around trying to find someone. Everybody was right there and fighting for control of the ball so they could get their licks in. Since it was a paddle game, the Capture Ball variants allowed fast unpredictable attacks. The psychology of this game is fantastic.
Is there any possibility that another gaming house might buy the Loki ports? It is indeed a fantasy to expect that code to be open sourced but it would be a shame if it died entirely. Perhaps a publisher with a better business model can get some milage out of them.
Any firm with that kind of power wouldn't necessarily have to tolerate that sort of ham handedness. I suppose that if the price is right, China or Russia would cheerfully launch their comsats. I also have little doubt that connectivity for the constellation could be bought from somewhere as well.
The teachers in my school district use video projectors all the time. In other respects they are "low end consumer" users but the inclusion of this feature means we don't have to buy higher scale Macs. One of Apple's strongest markets is education and they do listen to their needs. I agree that the dongle is questionable but the inclusion of the feature IS wise.
Those pencils put Graphite dust into the microgravity environment. The dust was free to float into the electronics and other systems. Once we perfected the zero-G pens, the Russians used them as well. The Russian Pencil is a poor example of low tech smarts over high tech stupidity.
aaaannnnd coooover!
Johnny! What do you do when you see that flash?
DUCK AND COVER!
Where's Cecil the Air-Raid Turtle when you need him?
I despise Windows as much as anyone else but the Linux situation is not as rosy as you let one. I've had bad luck with older versions of DRI for the Matrox G200/400 cards. Descent II would often corrupt the screen very badly. I could ssh into the box and kill Descent and even restart or kill X but that would get my screen box. I suppose you could point out that since I could ssh in that it didn't crash....but I still had to reboot to put the video card back into a sane state. The video card most certainly did crash even if the rest of the machine didn't. I've had other driver problems now and again even lock me out of the console. Driver code is loaded directly into the kernel. It has more privledges than God.
Now I understand that systems like the HURD are supposed to protect even against bad driver code but even that is no bulwark against freaked out hardware. There are more and less robust systems. I will agree that Linux is generally more robust than Windows but it isn't perfect. NOTHING is.
The northern polar ice cap is indeed a big ice cube and will act much as you say. The anarctic cap however is sitting on a continent. That ice is not part of the oceans displacement in any form. If the southern polar ice cap melts, the oceans will indeed rise. Runoff from places like Greenland will probably count some as well.
How many people here would LOVE to catch someone in the act of futzing with their boxes? If they try this on someone who is halfway awake then the cat is out of the bag. One way or another, the software and physical devices involved are going to be revealed. If they're lucky, it will be "HA! HA!" cypherpunk style messages posted loudly to the net. If they're unlucky then organized crime types are going to have a joyous time feeding them misinformation. Mafiosi can employ good IT and security people too. If enough of this sort of thing happens then they certainly will.
I used to use methanol in an ultrasonic cleaner to remove crud from instrument parts. After the sonic bath, I would use a spray bottle of methanol to hose the deposit dissolved alcohol from the parts. I have gotten quite a bit of it on my hands and it did not make me go blind or even so much as get dizzy. I worked in a well ventilated room and neither drank or deliberately inhaled the stuff. It's toxic if you drink it or inhale a boatload of it.
A few drops on your hand will NOT make one go blind. Gasoline is more dangerous than this stuff.
BTW I sense some flames coming so I will point out the ultrasonic cleaner was NOT filled with methanol. The tub held water as usual and the parts were put in a little tupperware dish of methanol. The tupperware dish was covered and THEN put into the cleaner. Once the parts were cleaned and rinsed with fresh methanol, they were allowed to drip dry and then baked out in a lab oven.