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Teach Yourself UNIX System Administration In 24 Hours

Spencerian writes "UNIX guru and writer Dave Taylor's Teach Yourself Unix System Administration in 24 Hours is a strong "rosetta stone" reference and tutorial for beginning and intermediate Mac OS X, Linux and UNIX system administrators. The book covers fundamental and specialized UNIX sysadmin tasks for three UNIX flavors: Red Hat Linux 7.2, Solaris 8, and Mac OS X, version 10.1.2. Although Mac OS X and Red Hat have advanced in versions since this book was published, it doesn't appear to affect the book's usefulness since many of the tasks involve the venerable UNIX command line." The rest of Kevin's review is below -- read on to see if this book might help you. Teach Yourself Unix System Administration in 24 Hours author Dave Taylor pages 508 publisher Sams Publishing rating 8 reviewer Kevin Spencer ISBN 0672323982 summary Teach Yourself Unix System Administration in 24 Hours makes an excellent rosetta stone for beginning or intermediate UNIX sysadmins.

The Big Picture As you might get from the title, Sams Publishing's "24 Hours" book series attempts to teach specific tasks or steps within 1 chapter per hour. UNIX can get pretty complex, so it would seem that this format would limit the effectiveness of this book. Not so.

Topics from the book include:

  • Unix Installation
  • Documentation
  • File Ownership
  • Disk Usage
  • Account Management
  • Package Management (including the Fink system for Darwin)
  • Process and System Controls
  • Network configuration
  • Web Server Management and shell scripting

Almost every chapter views how a particular task is handled with Linux as its normal focus, where many commands are shared between Solaris and Mac OS X. When functionality differs, Taylor downshifts to show how matters are handled in each respective operating system. As someone very experienced with Mac OS X, I found Dave Taylor's discussions on Mac OS X idiosyncrasies in contrast to Red Hat and Solaris very useful, particularly where Darwin overrides the traditional dotfile preference configuration, substituting the convoluted NetInfo services.

What to Expect Dave provides a Q & A section after each chapter. In an early chapter, Dave answers a typical geek question, "What Unix distributions do you run on your own systems?" Dave provides a very geeky answer--his Apple PowerBook G4 is running Mac OS X (with Darwin as its core, of course), along with a PC running Windows 2000, Linux Mandrake 8.1, and a web server running Red Hat Linux 7.2--a varied assortment that shows Dave puts the author in authority. In a later chapter, Dave touches on emulators such as WINE and Virtual PC as options for additional operating system support.

What makes the book work is that Dave provides a very conversational tone throughout the book, almost as if you're sitting with him in front of a system, talking while you do your thing. Humorous moments are scattered in appropriate moments to make things less dry (this is UNIX, after all).

Questions that weren't answered for me as a beginning UNIX sysadmin in another book by Dave Taylor, Learning UNIX for Mac OS X , were available in droves in this book. Topics such as scripting with perl or from the shell, disk quotas, crontabs, rlogin, managing system logs, and the like--all answered. Ever wondered how Mac OS X handles system init states? You'll discover that its a tad different from other UNIX systems, but not too much.

The Bad and the Upshot I ran into several layout problems in the book that were somewhat annoying, such as where tables or notes were sliced between pages, making them difficult to read. It wasn't a showstopper at all, but I hope that a later reprint will pass muster.

If you're still getting your feet wet with a few basics, or have a really mixed environment of UNIX flavors, this book may be very useful to you. I'd recommend this book to any Mac OS X technician who wants to take advantage of its UNIX underpinnings. Beginning Linux users should also find this a strong general reference. The book's cost ($25) is very reasonable, even a bargain for a book of this depth. Overall, Teach Yourself Unix System Administration in 24 Hours makes for a very well rounded reference, as well as a tutorial book. Perhaps the title should be shorter--it's quite a tongue twister.

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356 comments

  1. UNIX rosetta stone by Plutor · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm sure its not nearly as comprehensive as this UNIX rosetta stone.

    1. Re:UNIX rosetta stone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why this supposed "Rosetta" stone was made for a Microsoft browser is a mystery. (Requires IE 5)?

    2. Re:UNIX rosetta stone by OrangeSpyderMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      This custom drawing feature requires IE 5 or better

      This means it works on Mozilla :-)

      and it does!

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    3. Re:UNIX rosetta stone by OrangeSpyderMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      not :-(

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    4. Re:UNIX rosetta stone by imac.usr · · Score: 5, Funny
      I'm sure its not nearly as comprehensive as this UNIX rosetta stone.


      Well, it certainly isn't as slashdotted as that one is....

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      I use Macs for work, Linux for education, and Windows for cardplaying.
    5. Re:UNIX rosetta stone by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 2

      I'm sure its not nearly as comprehensive as this [bhami.com] UNIX rosetta stone.

      I hope it is. I used the Rosetta stone when I was first learning AIX. I bumped into a number of discrepancies and omissions.

    6. Re:UNIX rosetta stone by CoreDump01 · · Score: 1

      Well, it certainly isn't as slashdotted as that one is....

      Now it is :)

    7. Re:UNIX rosetta stone by nachoman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Learn how to be an Rocket scientist in 24 hours.

      You can't get experience in a book. In my opinion you can learn way more from an experienced sysadmin then you can from a book.

    8. Re:UNIX rosetta stone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The site has been /.'d.

      I don't know of any browser that supports *that*.

    9. Re:UNIX rosetta stone by Daemonik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Many more of us will have access to a book than an experienced sysadmin. Besides, self-learning is a valuable and viable process, after all, who taught all the guru's?

    10. Re:UNIX rosetta stone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You can't get experience in a book. In my opinion you can learn way more from an experienced sysadmin then you can from a book.

      But I can't even get the sysadmin to come into the bathroom stall with me at work, much less come home with me...

    11. Re:UNIX rosetta stone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahem ... Nah. Too easy.

    12. Re:UNIX rosetta stone by walt-sjc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, I don't know about that. I took a job YEARS ago as a Novell network admin. I had Never worked novell before. Before I started the job, I read a Novell book cover to cover. First day I was productive. Other than peeking at the book every now and then, I was able to get my job done.

      What DOES kinda irritate me is the "24 Hours" part. Sorry, you can't even scratch the surface in 24 hours - especially with UNIX. While I WAS productive right off the bat with Novell, my prior experience with UNIX and other networking systems allowed me to figure things out quickly. Without a good solid background, I would have been toast. I really was a "junior" novell admin. Over the next several months at that job, I felt totally comfortable doing quite advanced tasks with novell.

      While you can pick up some simplistic skills in 24 hours, there is a LOT more to UNIX system administration that you just can't learn from a book, or even another administrator. You have to do things for yourself. You have to understand the concepts. You have to play with things, look around, compile some apps, install some systems, run into problems and solve them, learn scripting, regular expressions, read TONS of man pages, etc. This takes MONTHS. Most of your true learning comes from problem solving.

      I do take some exception to the "learn more from a sysadmin" comment. The problem with this approach is that sysadmins FREQUENTLY are not good teachers. In fact, I find sysadmins in general to be among the WORST teachers of any profession. Working side by side with one, you will learn small little snipits of valuable stuff, but rarely will you understand the WHY of things. S/He probably isn't going to present info to you in any organized manor, and the info will most likely be very incomplete. Hey, that's just been my experience working with / managing dozens of admins - many of them VERY good at what they do.

    13. Re:UNIX rosetta stone by Sun+Tzu · · Score: 2

      Hmmm... I can't use this book -- I'm in too big of a hurry. I guess I'll have to wait until they release 'Teach Yourself UNIX System Administration in 24 consecutive hours'.

    14. Re:UNIX rosetta stone by mwoodroffe · · Score: 1

      It simply isn't possible to learn how to be a UNIX System Administrator in 24 hours. I'm not saying that this book isn't good, but I am saying that it isn't possible, and so the title is quite misleading. Mikko Woodroffe

  2. Versions? by OrangeSpyderMan · · Score: 2

    The book covers fundamental and specialized UNIX sysadmin tasks for three UNIX flavors: Red Hat Linux 7.2, Solaris 8, and Mac OS X, version 10.1.2. Although Mac OS X and Red Hat have advanced in versions since this book was published,

    Solaris 9, anybody?

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    1. Re:Versions? by odaiwai · · Score: 2

      It's probably not possible that you can get a book out like this out without some operating system having an upgrade between finishing the writing and it hitting the shelves.

      Like the Unix System Administrator's Handbook, the best you can do is teach a general philosophy, with some examples for each of a few representative systems, then *maybe* have an updates page on a website somewhere.

      I've always found that, once you know in principle how to do something, doing it on a different flavour of Unix is just a matter of reading the man pages for different options to the various commands. (Or in the case of solaris, swearing a lot and saying things like "mount /floppy wasn't good enough for ya, ya had to make a new command for it?!?!?")

      dave

    2. Re:Versions? by nemaispuke · · Score: 1

      The problem with Solaris and printed documentation is that Sun makes changes to the OS between releases that even Sun does not fully document (such as the -k option of netstat, added RBAC profiles in the 4/01 Solaris 8 Release) and Solaris specific commands such as prstat. Most Unix books cover the basics pretty well, but OS specific options you end up having to buy an OS specific book.

      I am playing with Solaris 9 at home, and other than better 64-bit hardware support, more options with IPSec, and enhancements to Solaris Management Console (including the addition of Solaris Volume Manager (the replacement for Solstice DiskSuite)) most of the Solaris 8 commands work fine.

  3. From the same series: by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 5, Funny
    Teach yourself open heart surgery in 24 hours.

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    1. Re:From the same series: by ThrasherTT · · Score: 5, Funny

      The problem is you might actually learn open heart surgery in 24 hours, whereas with Unix System Administration...

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    2. Re:From the same series: by McFly69 · · Score: 2

      Same, Build your own space shuttle in 24 hoursand How to pass Nuclear Physics in 24 hours

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    3. Re:From the same series: by AftanGustur · · Score: 1
      Teach yourself open heart surgery in 24 hours.

      Pretty much what I thought when I read the title.

      And also from the same series:
      Teach Yourself brain surgery In 24 Hours
      Make Money Fast In 24 Hours

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    4. Re:From the same series: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      Same, Build your own space shuttle in 24 hours
      Oh, come on - that's hardly rocket science.
    5. Re:From the same series: by emptybody · · Score: 1, Redundant

      you must be a Windoze Admin.
      Maybe if it was all Right-Click Properties...

      You can learn basic unix operator skills in 24 hours. You will not get real knowledge without spending considerable time in the trenches.

      Want to learn fast?

      1) read ALL comp.sys.blah postings. Try to resolve them on your own.
      2) get some second hand UNIX gear (HP,DEC,SGI,SUN) build a LAN and make them interoperate. (NFS/NIS/LDAP/DNS/SMTP/NNTP)
      3) Compile and use all the opensource packages you can find. Do not go the easy out pre-compiled route (compiler for first compiler excluded.)
      4)Get on the help desk at a LARGE company or university and answer/resolve as many questions as possible.

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    6. Re:From the same series: by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 5, Funny

      People who liked: Teach yourself open heart surgery in 24 hours
      Also liked: Teach yourself malpractice litigation in 24 hours

    7. Re:From the same series: by Annoyed+Coward · · Score: 1
      No.

      'coz learning Unix in 24 hours is a joke. You could definitely learn couple of commands like ls and cd, but that certainly does not make you a vey good Unix guru.

      The post parent to you does make fun of attitude that 'something can be achieved in 24 hours'. For that matter, my friends used joke like... 'be a mother in 24 hours'.. and... 'be a graduate in 24 hours'.

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    8. Re:From the same series: by axxackall · · Score: 3, Funny
      In 24 hours you can teach yourself to think that you are a unix system admin.

      The rest of your life you will discover that you are not what you thought.

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      Less is more !
    9. Re:From the same series: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do.

      Unix system administration is remarkably easy, but these morons around here like to feel superior by making it seem harder than it is.

    10. Re:From the same series: by Master+Bait · · Score: 2

      If I could teach someone how to understand man pages in 24 hours, they'd be halfway there.

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      --Tom Schulman
    11. Re:From the same series: by thumperward · · Score: 1

      What's the point in posting +5 one-liners anonymously?

      - Chris

    12. Re:From the same series: by roman_mir · · Score: 2

      If open heart surgery was only about actual surgery, then sure, why not, anyone could learn it in 24 hours. Unfortunately surgery is not only about the actual technique of cutting things appart and sawing things together. It is also about extensive knowledge of the human (or animal) anatomy, it is about knowledge of problems that can arise during surgery, it is about recognizing the problems in time and knowing how to fix them - because there is no tape back up and there is no undo button. And you cannot telnet into the dead body to kill -9 some runaway process.

    13. Re:From the same series: by ThrasherTT · · Score: 1

      And you cannot telnet into the dead body to kill -9 some runaway process.

      We should work on fixing that!

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      All Your Memory Are Belong To Java
    14. Re:From the same series: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, now that was the best post I read all day. And I read ... too many to admit :)

    15. Re:From the same series: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't start out as +5 and there is always the "risk" of being modded offtopic or somesuch when it doesn't carry off. I have been modded +5 as AC when I expected maybe +1 or +2

    16. Re:From the same series: by coryboehne · · Score: 2

      yes, but the years of bitter disappointment may help you to think LIKE a unix system admin. :)

  4. What a nice little advertisement. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    And here I was expecting to see a review.

  5. For some reason by goodhell · · Score: 3, Funny

    I hope my sys admin isn't really reading this book.

    (I hope he's already obtained these skills)

    1. Re:For some reason by liquidsin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I hope he's already got those skills too. But for those of us who dabble in *nix systems as a hobby rather than as a profession / religion, books like this are quite nice.

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    2. Re:For some reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope he's already obtained these skills

      If he hasn't, wait until tomorrow. He'll have them by then.

    3. Re:For some reason by Dukebytes · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Actually i am not a big fan of the 24 hours/7 days/dummys book. The idiot and dummy books just insult you right on the cover - i refuse to buy any of those. But some of the others can be pretty good.

      I taught a network troubleshooting class once and had to pick between a $75 book and a $20 book. the $20 one was Teach Yourself Network Troubleshooting in 24 hours. I picked it because of price mostly (thinking of the students) and it looked pretty good. Not as much material as the $75 book - but still had a good bit in it.

      It worked out very well and the students actually liked it a lot becuase it was a little funny and had good basic concepts in it.

      Not trying to be an ass or anything. But you might want to hope that you sys admin is reading this book - along with others im sure - becuase if he isnt - some fellow employee in the company could be surfing thru your files right now....

      Duke

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      FreeBSD: Nothing runs like a daemon with a pitch fork.
    4. Re:For some reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yeah, I actually like the 24hours/21days books, they're not always as comprehensive as other books (O'Reilly books) so they're not as useful as references, but they still do a good job. I hate the dummy books and complete idiot books, they aren't nearly as good and like you said, they insult your right on the cover. The big thing about the Sam's books though is that they really are cheap ($15-20 usually) and really they do cover the groundings well, which is what most computer/programming courses do themselves. There have been multiple of courses I've taken that only use the first half of a $75+ text that could have instead used all of a $20 Sam's text. Sam's 24 hour/7 day/21 day books never make you an expert, but they do a great job at introducing the material. Their name sounds a little cheesy, but they're good books.

    5. Re:For some reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do or do not. There is no dabble.

  6. backups by Gizzmonic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does it have anything in it about making backups? I'm learning UNIX (AIX, actually) in a "trial-by-fire" sort of way, and it's different enough from Linux for me to have problems finding good info on backups. Luckily I'm not the main guy running this machine (yet) but I like to learn all I can. Does anyone know of a crazy straw?

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    1. Re:backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/unixbr/ by Curtis Preston. It is a great resource.

    2. Re:backups by junkgoof · · Score: 2, Informative

      O'Reilly has a good book on backups. It goes into most solutions, tar, Amanda, dd, dump etc. on several platforms. It also stresses bare metal restores, which is a good thing. I worked with an admin whose backup/restore strategy was:

      1. Backup / on tape
      2. Rebuild system with CD
      3. Restore / from tape over running OS
      4. Try and fail to boot system

      I never saw him get this to work, but he would not listen to my suggestions. On the systems I backed up I either created bootable tapes or booted single-user from CD before restoring from tape, and this actually worked.

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    3. Re:backups by doggo · · Score: 1

      Ouch. Anybody notice that the animal books are getting really expensive?

      I mean the Armadillo book was $32.95 for the second edition, now it's $54.95. I have to have it...but man, I might have to wait until I can pick it up used.

      I almost feel guilty for complaining, considering how O'Reilly's such a good resource in every way for the computing community, but...the bubble broke (and I'm in higher ed, so I never even got a piece of the pie).

    4. Re:backups by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      mksysb is great and comes with AIX. You might want to check out sysback as well (doesn't come with the system but has some additional functionality that can be nice).

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  7. Yeah, but... by Stir · · Score: 2, Funny


    Does it come with a musical workout montage when the blonde popular admin challenges you to a ski off?

    1. Re:Yeah, but... by Schrom_Everblister · · Score: 1

      Its the new administration....kind of like that new math...backups are optional.

  8. but.. by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 5, Funny
    but does it teach you these things?

    • how to worship your uptime?
    • why you the machines are 'yours' (never mind the company that your work for who paid for the things, with a hundred other depts besides IT)
    • how to be arrogant beyond belief about the abilities of users to do their own management of [files|directories|disk space|processes]
    • how to use being on call as a blanket excuse for everything?
    • how to revel in your asshole nature ala BOFH?


    Until then, it's not teaching you jack shit about sysadmin'ing.
    1. Re:but.. by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't see how it could. All these things must come from experience.

    2. Re:but.. by McFly69 · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      Continued....


      How to tell business users (i.e. your Boss) they cant have what they want because its not windows.

      Trying to convince the users that Windows is to blame, and not Unix, for server issues.

      Tell the users, you can wear just a tee-shirt because your not a business user.

      And of course.... Root is god!!

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    3. Re:but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how to be arrogant beyond belief about the abilities of users to do their own management of [files|directories|disk space|processes]

      This isn't arrogance, this is experience. Your average user doesn't even know what processes ARE, and can't differentiate between RAM and disk space.

      Arrogance is believing they're too stupid to learn, but it's not believing that they are unlikely to have learnt it already - that's just pragmatism.

      Also, the average user I've encountered considers having two different directories to be adequate file management (one folder called 'Word' and one called 'Excel').

  9. I can do it in 23... by bheilig · · Score: 1, Funny

    You can't teach UNIX System Administrator in 23 hours! That's crazy! Nobody would buy that.

    By reading this post you have agreed to my end-reader license agreement. Please send check or money order to...

    1. Re:I can do it in 23... by evrybodygonsurfin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have not read this book and, thus, cannot comment upon its ability to communicate the intricacies of system administration to its readership.

      I would, however, consider it fairly obvious that the author does not anticipate people sitting down to a twenty-four hour caffeine-fuelled cram-session.

      The title of the book suggests, rather, that UNIX system administration may be learned in twenty-four hour long sessions. Ideally, these would be supplemented with meditation on the topic at hand and, perhaps, the completion of the exercises provided.

      As noted by other correspondents, this will by no means compensate for a lack of hands-on experience but may well inspire an interest in the subject that proves the foundation of future greatness in an aspiring sysadmin. Yeah!

  10. I prefer THE O'Reilly book by pigeon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Essential System administration by Aeleen Frisch. Covers Solaris, Aix, Linux, HPUX, SCO etc. Alas no OS X.

    1. Re:I prefer THE O'Reilly book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it bother you to refer to a unix book by an author who's other books are for Windows 2000?

    2. Re:I prefer THE O'Reilly book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it bother you to refer to a Unix book by a publisher who publishes a large catalog of books for Windows 2000?

      My copy of 'Essential System Administration' is older than Windows NT 3.1 by the way.

    3. Re:I prefer THE O'Reilly book by mbbac · · Score: 1

      OS X is UNIX.

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      mbbac

    4. Re:I prefer THE O'Reilly book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OSX is Unix, but as far as I'm considered (this is completely descriminatory) if you can't boot into a straight command line then it's not Unix, and you can't do that with OSX. The idea with Unix (as I've always thought of it) is to make something to do one task and do it well. The good thing about that was always that when something goes wrong you can usually work around it because you can depend on other things working. OSX intermingles the CLI and GUI too much in an effort to make sure its users never end up antagonized by the situation where they have a CLI and no GUI (because people like the idea of "broke" and "not broken", but they don't like "sort of broken") like was the case with Windows 95 and Windows 98 (not on 2k or XP though). Even if not for that reason, there are still plenty of other reasons why a lot of people don't consider OSX to be a "real" Unix. Also, how many people are admining unix systems centered around OSX? Not many I'd think.

    5. Re:I prefer THE O'Reilly book by mbbac · · Score: 1
      but as far as I'm considered (this is completely descriminatory) if you can't boot into a straight command line then it's not Unix

      Well, then by your standards OS X is UNIX. You can boot straight to the CLI by pressing Command+S during startup.
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  11. Teach yourself Perl in 48 hours! by necio_online · · Score: 0

    I want this guy to write one : "Teach yourself Perl in 48 hours".

    Gee! Profit!

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  12. great book by tps12 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a Unix sysadmin for seven years, I'd have to agree with the reviewer that this book is a lifesaver. I find that information tends to dissipate from my head after I absorb it (sort of like Mother Nature's swapping algorithm LOL), so I spend the first day of each month rereading it, and this keeps my skills charged for the rest of the month! I've even gotten pretty good at scheduling major projects for early in the month, when things are fresher in my head.

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    1. Re:great book by nomadic · · Score: 2

      I find that information tends to dissipate from my head after I absorb it

      That's a good thing. Permanent memory should hold more sublime things.

  13. In 24 hours? by Orlando · · Score: 5, Funny

    Damn, I knew all those years experience were a waste of time...

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    1. Re:In 24 hours? by wirefarm · · Score: 2

      Yes, 24 hours, but at a rate of about 2 hours a year...

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    2. Re:In 24 hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I think that a "Learn UNIX in 24 months" might not be such a bad book.
      If it assumed one hours of reading/study per day with one hour lab time per day, after 24 months a person should have enough down to pick up a very basic entry level UNIX Tech or Jr. SysAdmin job.
      But 24 HOURS? That is just insane!

    3. Re:In 24 hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't take 24 months to read this cover-to-cover. It will provide the foundation for a sysadmin pretty well, except for the knowing Unix commands part ...

    4. Re:In 24 hours? by Raiford · · Score: 2
      <warning> Troll to follow </warning>

      Just go to a garage sale or get on ebay, buy two old 486 boxes for $1.25, download Slackware, install on both manchines and then procede to network the two. Set one up as a server and network your neighbors machine in. Voila -> networking expert in about 24 hours and you never had to go to Borders to buy a book.

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  14. The only thing a newbie needs to know: by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1, Troll

    sudo rm / -r

    1. Re:The only thing a newbie needs to know: by segfaultcoredump · · Score: 2, Troll

      # rm / -r
      rm: / is a directory
      -r: No such file or directory

      Hmmmm, dont you mean 'rm -r /' ? (i know, the '/ -r' syntax workes on linux, but not some of the other unixes out there, like solaris)

    2. Re:The only thing a newbie needs to know: by Newtonian_p · · Score: 1
      You are assuming that for whatever login the user is using, there is an entry for it in /etc/sudoers allowing it to use rm as root.

      Also, the (f)orce flag is needed to avoid answering y all the time. This should have been (assuming user has root password):

      $su
      password:
      #rm -rf /

      That's all.

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    3. Re:The only thing a newbie needs to know: by madshot · · Score: 1

      actually.. I never wanted to test the command to see exactly what the format was.. wonder why..

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  15. 24 Hour miracle by kryonD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Learning UNIX administration in 24 hours is like learning how to secure a Microsoft server in 24 hours.

    Well, I guess since it's actually possible to administer UNIX, there's a difference.

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    1. Re:24 Hour miracle by Annoyed+Coward · · Score: 1

      yeah.. who knwos. We might have learn Object Oriented Programming in 24 hours, or Learn Linux Kernel Programming in 24 hours. :-D

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    2. Re:24 Hour miracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Securing a M$ server takes only about 2 seconds. Pull the plug.

    3. Re:24 Hour miracle by spongman · · Score: 2

      we do, but in order to buy one you have to sign an affadavit stating that you haven't read the other.

  16. Rosetta stone by dnoyeb · · Score: 2, Informative

    aka Rashida stone is an Egyptian relic which contained some text written in Heiroglyphics, Greec, and Demotic. It contained the same text written in 3 different languages thus allowing people to understand a great deal about how to translate between the 3 languages.

    The rosetta stone reference Is supposed to imply this book will help you understand UNIX and make what appears foreign, understandable.

    I assume this is what the reference is supposed to mean.

    1. Re:Rosetta stone by binaryDigit · · Score: 2

      Close. The stone had three languages saying the same thing. This book tells you how to do the same/similar things in different flavours of *nix, so the Rosetta stone theme matches nicely. Find what you want in the flavour you know, and then see what the other flavours look like.

    2. Re:Rosetta stone by SN74S181 · · Score: 3, Informative

      As an aside, Sun just published what should be considered the 'Rosetta Stone' for Solaris. If you get into wrestling matches with Sun systems and need a good comprehensive introduction, you need to download this one RIGHT NOW.

  17. Teach Yourself... by ThrasherTT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've read a couple of the "Teach Yourself X in N [days|hours]" books. I have not read this one, but my experience with the others is that they can be best considered an "entry point" into the subject, and a reference for only the most basic questions. Anyone who thinks they will acquire even an intermediate level of skill (starting from an unskilled base) by reading these books are, IMHO, mistaken.

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    1. Re:Teach Yourself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you could pick up a copy of "Learning To Spot The Blatently Obvious In 8 Hrs".

      I recomment your focus on the chapter "Clues, Thanking Sherlock For Them".

    2. Re:Teach Yourself... by vasqzr · · Score: 2


      These aren't "Become the Master of UNIX in 24 hours", or "Become a Astrophysicist in 24 hours"

      The books basically are a catalyst for you to learn more, explore, buy more books, etc etc

    3. Re:Teach Yourself... by ThrasherTT · · Score: 1

      That's true, but they also aren't "Teach Yourself Enough to Maybe Want to Really Learn About This Subject." My warning was for those who are considering actually reading this book, and have had no experience with the "series."

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    4. Re:Teach Yourself... by octalgirl · · Score: 2

      I love books that say 24 hours and are 508 pages long. Come on! You couldn't even read that in 24 hours. There are some books out there '31 days to teach yourself C++' or whatever. Then you realize - it's 31 days for each chapter.

    5. Re:Teach Yourself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 page a minute, so 508 pages in 8 1/2 hours. Easy!

    6. Re:Teach Yourself... by dohcvtec · · Score: 2

      These aren't "Become the Master of UNIX in 24 hours",
      Clearly not, but with such a suggestive title (not "Become a Unix user" or "learning Unix" but flat-out "become a system administrator") that's a pretty lofty claim. I suspect one could learn basic skills applicable to a small, friendly, very lightly loaded network with a very capricious IT manager, but forget about it if it's a large, hostile network with PHBs around.

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    7. Re:Teach Yourself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      1 page a minute, so 508 pages in 8 1/2 hours. Easy!

      If you are new to programming or system admin then ignore this troll. While you might be able to speed read Tolkien at a rate of 1 pg/min and gain enjoyment I doubt anyone can speed read a computer manual (on a topic that is new) and gain any enlightenment.

      When I first learned to program I read Teach yourself Delphi in 14 days the same way I used to skim marketing and economics text books. It doesn't work. I was able to learn enough in a couple days to build a quote calculator for the sales guys at work but I understood nothing about programming. By taking what seemed to be the short path I skipped some steps in the learning process, gained a false sense of knowlege and it slowed my progress as a programmer.

      In marketing we had a saying "If you can't dazzle them with your intellect then baffle them with your bullshit," and nine times out of ten it worked. The same is not true with programming. Mistakes in your design can become quickly apparent when it is realeased to real end users. Somebody's sig said "Programming is like sex: one mistake and you are supporting it for life," and sadly this is true. Your best defence is not a condom but good knowledge of your craft.

      If you enjoy problem solving then learning to program will be like playing a video game: highly addictive and time consuming. Relax. Take your time. Read a chapter, do the exercises.

      One technique I have found effective in learning new languages is simple meditation. First I read a chapter and then close my eyes and imagine how I might use what I have just read in the real world. After pausing and thinking up ideas for half an hour or so then I go to the computer and start writing my own examples. Using this method progress is much slower. For example Tom Swan's teach yourself GNU C++ in 21 days took me more than 2 months to finish but I think I learned more that way than
  18. Not unbelievable by r_j_prahad · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Many times I have *taught* UNIX system administration in only twenty-four hours. Ususally it was in the first twenty-four hours following me telling my boss to go fuck himself.

    1. Re:Not unbelievable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see that, but why put in the effort... you've decided other pastures are greener; don't waste fertilizer here.

  19. Seriously... by ekephart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How many of these books can one own? I have plenty of books, but the mile-wide-but-foot-deep-overview books get old. I have Glass and Ables' "Unix for Programmers and Users" and Oreilly's "Running Linux". I reference there every so often (in fact just yesterday while installing VOCAL), but I'm not sure there is much more I could get out of a book that wasn't specifically about some library or application.

    Most of the quick reference stuff anyone needs is on various websites and discussion boards.

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  20. "Author" in "Authority"... right by delta407 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "What Unix distributions do you run on your own systems?" Dave provides a very geeky answer--his Apple PowerBook G4 is running Mac OS X (with Darwin as its core, of course), along with a PC running Windows 2000, Linux Mandrake 8.1, and a web server running Red Hat Linux 7.2--a varied assortment that shows Dave puts the author in authority.
    Since when does Windows 2000 count as a Unix distribution, and how does running an assortment of operating systems make him an authority?
    1. Re:"Author" in "Authority"... right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Besides, I only count TWO major UNIX versions there... Linux and Darwin, there is no AIX, HP-UX, OSF/1, Tru-64, *BSD, solaris, Sun-OS, shall I go on?

      NOTE: I know of production machines using all of the above operating systems(including the *OBSOLETE* ones).

    2. Re:"Author" in "Authority"... right by dohcvtec · · Score: 2

      This guy's running Windows, OS X, and 2 Linux distributions that try to be Windows-like. Some Unix wizard. He's not even actually running Unix. Add in a SPARC/Solaris machine (to actually lend some credibility to his Solaris credentials,) an RS/6000 running AIX, and a PA-RISC running HP-UX, and then I might start to be impressed.

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    3. Re:"Author" in "Authority"... right by BreakWindows · · Score: 2

      Better yet, what true UNIX admin would be caught dead in a room full of x86 and Mackertosh, without some form of blunt weapon? *shudder*

    4. Re:"Author" in "Authority"... right by majestyk2000 · · Score: 1

      At home I run:

      Windows 2000 Server (on three machines)

      Windows 2000 Pro

      Windows NT 4 Server

      Windows NT 4 Workstation

      Mac OS 8.6

      Mac OS 7.5.2

      RedHat Linux 7.3

      RedHat Linux 6 (on a POS)

      RedHat Sparc (on two Sparc 2s)

      Solaris 8 on an UltraSparc 10

      NextStep 3.3 on 3 NeXTStations

      Openstep 4 User/Developer on 3 NeXTStations

      And I'm not much of an authority on the Unix stuff. # of machines does not equal geek god-ness. The only thing that having that many machines means is I had a lot of space, too much money, and no life...;-)

  21. rlogin??? by The+Man · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I haven't read the book, but the review says it includes a discussion of rlogin. Unless that discussion consists of "Do not use rlogin; use ssh instead" this book is obsolete. FACT: rlogin, rsh, rexec, and all other remote access utilities that do not perform cryptographically strong authentication and offer at least the option to encrypt the session are OBSOLETE. By extension, so is any book or document that considers such utilities viable.

    1. Re:rlogin??? by Gerdts · · Score: 1

      Yeah, there is no place for such programs/protocols, anywhere. And FTP, and HTTP, and SMB, and NFS, and BOOTP/DHCP, and ARP, and DNS, and ...

      Oh crap. I need some of those protocols that do not provide strong cryptography. Not to mention that in many environments you do not have the flexibility (restricted by PHB) to install "unsupported" software like openssh (on Solaris 8 where it is not part of the OS). Tell me, would the person be better off with SSH installed or not installed if there was not someone around to build the latest version at least three times in the past year? With Solaris 9, Solaris SSH (openssh + patches) is available and there are few excuses for not using it.

    2. Re:rlogin??? by +killraven · · Score: 1

      I take it you are new to this sysadmin thing.
      How would you install sshd on your old Irix server with a dodgy console port? Personally I logged in with rlogin to set it up. Also a lot of legacy apps still use rsh and rexec and not all of them play nicely with ssh.

      These tools are like 'ed' 99.9% of the time you don't need to use them but for those 0.1% of the times when you do, knowing what you are doing saves you a lot of time and from looking like a complete amature.

    3. Re:rlogin??? by thrig · · Score: 2

      Since ssh is a drop-in replacement for the r* utilities, the ideas will carry over from a discussion. One can also use the MIT Kerberos enhanced r* utilities, which are hardly âoeOBSOLETEâ by your definition.

    4. Re:rlogin??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Yeah, there is no place for such programs/protocols, anywhere. And FTP, and HTTP, and SMB, and NFS, and BOOTP/DHCP, and ARP, and DNS, and ...

      FTP -> scp (yes, copy the files to your home dir, then move 'em to the final places).

      The other protocols don't require sending passwords in clear over the network, so they're better than rlogin/telnet in that regard.

    5. Re:rlogin??? by mikeage · · Score: 2

      I love arguments like this. The only problem, of course, is that it's wrong. Why should I bother with the complexities of installing openssl and openssh from source (not everyone runs a package-enabled OS) and suffer through the slowdowns of SSH's encryption (yes, it does become noticable over high-speed, low-latency links, and I don't mean your cable modem. Look up myrinet one day) if I'm working on a subnet that's not connected to the outside world? In fact, if it's a compute cluster that no one can reach except through a master, why shouldn't I use the simpler rsh?

      Furthermore, ssh is a drop in replacement for rsh. So hmph.

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    6. Re:rlogin??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't stand people who are so bent on ssh. 95% of the time people are doing their work on closed networks (school or office). What do you have to hide? Especially when you are at the office.

    7. Re:rlogin??? by The+Man · · Score: 1
      I take it you are new to this sysadmin thing.

      Why the personal attack? You had some actual arguments after this but I'm not going to bother responding to them with experiences I've had in my 7 years of Unix administration.

    8. Re:rlogin??? by The+Man · · Score: 1
      Since ssh is a drop-in replacement for the r* utilities, the ideas will carry over from a discussion.

      I certainly agree. However, this book is targeted at people new to administration. If this book discusses the r-utilities and not the s-utilities, which do you think its readers will use?

    9. Re:rlogin??? by The+Man · · Score: 1

      I don't suppose you've investigated the "None" cipher type, which as one might expect does not use any encryption but still provide the benefits of strong authentication? I thought not. There's no need to use the r-utilities, ever. Besides, if you've gone to the expense of building a Myrinet, you most likely care enough to write your own network communication routines and protocols for moving around the data you actually care about. Neither ssh nor r-* would be appropriate for performance-sensitive tasks in that type of environment.

    10. Re:rlogin??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until you have mastered magic, never throw a tool away. Even then, after mastery has entered your fingertips and wizardy simply oozes from your every thought and word, sometimes it's easier just to grab a nearby hammer and be done with it.

      David killed Goliath with a rock he found on the ground. Don't reject any tool, consider all of them and use the best. David fought in many more battles but apparently only used the slingshot one time. Apparently, he knew how to use more than one weapon. If ssh is available, generally it would be the better tool ... but that's a mighty big "if" and I wouldn't want to hang my career on it.

    11. Re:rlogin??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FACT: rlogin, rsh, rexec, and all other remote access utilities that do not perform cryptographically strong authentication and offer at least the option to encrypt the session are OBSOLETE

      He says while posting logged in to slashdot.

    12. Re:rlogin??? by asciilogic · · Score: 1

      jesus christ man...unplug the cork from your ass.
      the book is for newbies...not experienced sys
      admins.

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  22. Linux + OSX == Authority on UNIX? by Plutor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > In an early chapter, Dave answers a typical geek question, "What Unix distributions do you run on your own systems?" Dave provides a very geeky answer--his Apple PowerBook G4 is running Mac OS X (with Darwin as its core, of course), along with a PC running Windows 2000, Linux Mandrake 8.1, and a web server running Red Hat Linux 7.2--a varied assortment that shows Dave puts the author in authority.

    I would argue that running Linux and OS X does not (necessarily) make someone an "authority" on UNIX. Where's his Solaris, SUNOS, HPUX, IRIX, and BSD experience? Has he ever installed cross-platform software? Only using a few machines, I would doubt he's using NIS or NFS. Has he ever?

    1. Re:Linux + OSX == Authority on UNIX? by FSK · · Score: 1

      I think there is a big difference between what you run at home and what you use at work. I've had years of experience with IRIX and Solaris but I have no need or interest in running them at home.

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  23. An isidisous plot? by aborchers · · Score: 2, Funny

    Could it be this book was secretly published by Microsoft to try and produce a glut of sloppy sysadmins and therefore diminish the security and credibility of Unix, much as inventing the C programming language was actually a backfired cold war plot to set back Soviet computer science?

    Note for the humor impaired: It's a joke, not a troll...

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    1. Re:An isidisous plot? by morgajel · · Score: 1

      actually, you should consider this book a primer or an intro for the unleashed series. they're not as dry as some of the orielly series.

      I personally love the 24 hour series. I decide, "I wanna learn something new," and go randomly pick out a 24 hour book. I can get through it quickly and decide if I want to spend my time on the actual subject... if so I go get an Unleashed, 31 days or Bible. The 10 minutes series are also handy references the the memory impaired.
      Just looking around my room I see
      (24 hours)
      Html and xml
      asp
      java 2
      unix
      linux
      perl

      That only makes up a small percentage of the books I have(~40)
      however, it does make it easier to pick out the stinkers technology-wise(like asp).

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    2. Re:An isidisous plot? by aborchers · · Score: 1

      A well reasoned and insightful reply, but did you apply it to the right comment? I was just being a wiseacre, not critiquing the merits of the book...

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  24. Disclaimer by Multiple+Sanchez · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe =UTF-8&safe=off&q=%22Dave+Taylor%22+%22Kevin+Spenc er%22

    The question is, at what point does slashdot have to start adhering to standard ethics of journalism? Which is to say: the person who wrote the glowing review -- located conveniently over a link to purchase the book at bn.com -- should at least tell us he's an author of published works on the same subject... whose books are listed alongside those of the author he's lauding.

    1. Re:Disclaimer by aborchers · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ummm... It's called peer review. Would you rather have a pastry chef reviewing Unix books?

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    2. Re:Disclaimer by Multiple+Sanchez · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No. But, for all I knew before I googled him, Kevin Spencer WAS a pastry chef.

      If you're going to review a book, tell us who you are. An average Joe? The author's peer? Did you share a room with him at a UNIX conference in Toledo? Do your daughters play soccer together?

      Slashdot readers are intelligent people who don't like to waste their time or be told half-truths. Any information about the identity of the reviewer that might allow us to form a more informed opinion of the book should be divulged. This isn't amateur hour. Lots of professionls use this site and as such upholding some basic journalistic tenets is a sound idea.

    3. Re:Disclaimer by aborchers · · Score: 1

      True enough. Perhaps some sort of about-the-author blurb is in order for all the reviews. It would certainly help put some context into them.

      I'm not sure I agree that this isn't amateur hour, though. /. is essentially a conversation board for commentary on news published elsewhere, not a news source per se (this is one of the things that, for me, makes it as endearing as it is occassionally frustrating), although you could make an argument that the it is evolving into the latter role. Given that nature, should we really put the book reviews to be a higher standard than the other chatter?

      Now, as for the sweeping statement that Slashdot readers are intelligent people, you may be straining your credibility... ;-)

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    4. Re:Disclaimer by Multiple+Sanchez · · Score: 2

      Now, as for the sweeping statement that Slashdot readers are intelligent people, you may be straining your credibility...

      It's true, I spoke with terms that were way, way too broad on that one...

      I guess what I meant is that I enjoy slashdot being all things to all people. There's a healthy mix of enthusiasts and professionals, casual and diehard alike. But when things like book reviews are posted so casually, they ring hollow. I'm not a syadmin and I found it hard to take the review seriously, and it disappoints me to think that any of the actual admins reading it might feel the same way.

    5. Re:Disclaimer by macdaddy · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Would you rather have a pastry chef reviewing Unix books?

      No, I'd rather have someone in the target audience review the book.

    6. Re:Disclaimer by aborchers · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True enough, but how do you define the target audience for a book that purports to teach a subject in 24 hours? Wouldn't that be people who know nothing about the subject going in?

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    7. Re:Disclaimer by Tokerat · · Score: 2


      No, they could tell us how much they learned and how easy it was to learn it. Or not, depending on the book.

      It would be nice to see a review from an expert as well, however, commenting on the efficiency and accuracy of the methods taught in the book.

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  25. yeah right... by painehope · · Score: 4, Funny

    those "Teach Yourself ${whateverThing} in 24 Hours" books aren't worth the paper they're printed on...the 30 days ones aren't bad for just learning the nuances of a language ( like GTK+ ), but you can get more sysadmin knowledge from buying your sysadmin 8 pints, listen to him rant and rave, and then take him back to the computer room hell-bent on vengeance w/ a screwdriver in hand...actually, you might have his job if you can talk him into a little cathode ray tube repair ( those suckers pack a lot of voltage )

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    1. Re:yeah right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, well you actually do use a screwdriver when you're messing with CRTs :) Just ground the tip of the screwdriver & hold onto the insulated end (which had better be well insulated) and carefully go touching the blade of the screwdriver to everything that might be charged (e.g. the big fat coil on the back & you must short all the capacitors, being careful not to accidentally touch any of this stuff in the mean time...)

      Disclaimer: I *have* tried this at home, but I don't reccomend that any of you do the same. I had a TV repair man to advise me. I also know someone who melted their wedding ring & got a nasty shock from the coil of a TV that had been unplugged for days (he didn't discharge it like he should've), so YMMV.

    2. Re:yeah right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you soaked the book in gasoline overnight, then set it on fire, it'd be worth it

  26. Only half a joke by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The number of places you need to know to look for things on a Unix system and the way you troubleshoot is usually fairly simple and you do not look in a lot of places, thus a cookbook approach is reasonable. Teaching you a few major gotchas and how to use a couple utilities (like lsof, fuser, or the local equivalent) will take you VERY far.

    On the other hand, a book like this can never make you a GOOD systems administrator as the secret there lies in years of experience, knowing what kind of odd, twitchy little things to look for; and also knowing how to use all these neat little utilities and chain them together in the shell (of your choice) to make them do large, complicated, magical things.

    A book like this might very well be the beginning of a beautiful career. The worry is that people will read it and think they're ready to tackle the world. Of course that's why we have certifications, but they only prove one's ability to regurgitate knowledge on command. Handy, but a book like this can give you just about everything non-vendor-specific that shows up on most Unix certs, I'm guessing -- and some of that, too.

    On the gripping hand, it used to be matter of course that the sexretary or similar ended up being the one to maintain the mainframe, being sent to Armonk for classes... you know what I'm talking about. Maybe someday some of Unix's quirkiness will be ironed out and that sort of thing will be feasible in Unixland. I'm not holding my breath, though.

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  27. I wish I'd known about this by verch · · Score: 2

    I wasted 29 extra days reading another book! Damnit!

    Does anyone really buy books from the 'dummies' 'in 24 hours' or 'in 30 days' series? Do you keep these books on your desk as reference? I bet that distills confidence in coworkers.

    1. Re:I wish I'd known about this by curtisk · · Score: 2
      Yeah, actually I have "Teach yourself PHP4 in 24 hours" on my desk, it's been there since I first bought the book...generally books on desks at my job are more used by others that may not be at the same level you are at in a particular skill-set or are interested in learning about it, kinda like an internal library...

      now books like "The SQL Programmers Reference" on my desk, yes that I use for reference :)

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    2. Re:I wish I'd known about this by cjhuitt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've actually purchased a couple of "for dummies" books...

      The truth is, they can be a great intro to a subject that you don't know anything about. That said, however, they seem to be one-off books. That is, you read them once, and then never use them again. (The possible exception would be the "cheat-sheets" that some of the books include inside the back flap.)

      So I would certainly consider getting, say, PHP for Dummies if I was looking for a quick intro into the basics of PHP, after which I would sell it again and by myself a good look-up reference for when I start getting into the details.

    3. Re:I wish I'd known about this by iSwitched · · Score: 1

      I bet that distills confidence in coworkers.

      I tried to distill confidence in my coworkers, but when I shoved them in the copper kettle and turned up the heat and pressure, there arrose such screaming that it was interrupting my work. So I settled on instilling confidence in them instead.

      Seriously though, I don't have any 'Dummies' books, but I have several alleged beginner books, despite that fact that I have been doing what I do (Java coding) for years now. The bottom line is, I don't have a photographic memory, so those old books have saved my ass any number of times. I'm the only Java guy in an organization of hard-core C-coders, I have 'The beginners guide to C' on my desk, and instead of causing a lack of confidence in my coworkers, they actually appreciate that I care enough about the project to put myself into their world...

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    4. Re:I wish I'd known about this by verch · · Score: 2

      Distill, instill.. Damnit, where did I put my copy of English Word Usage for Dummies?

  28. I learned.. by trybywrench · · Score: 1

    UNIX administration in 24 hours AND how to cook 30 min. brownies in 20 min.!

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  29. UNIX sysadmin in 24 hours.. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    sooo.. this is the UNIX equivent of an MCSE?

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    1. Re:UNIX sysadmin in 24 hours.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      anyone that mods that as negative ANYTHING is a Bill Gates loving choad-smoker.

    2. Re:UNIX sysadmin in 24 hours.. by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

      No, that would be "Teach yourself Windows Adminstration in 4 Hours"

  30. REAL UNIX ROSETTA STONE by painehope · · Score: 0, Redundant

    is right here

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  31. Just a lead-in by curtisk · · Score: 5, Funny
    This book is just a lead in to the rest of the series....
    • Teach Yourself UNIX server restoration in 24 hours or else.
    • Teach Yourself Office Diplomacy in 12 Hours or less.
    • Teach Yourself Creative IT resume writing in 2 Hours.


    *Disclaimer* I have not read the book in question and the above is simply a joke, but the thought of teaching UNIX system administration in 24 hours seems unlikely....covering basics, maybe...most of these books seem to serve that purpose and are great as a reference in alot of cases.

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    1. Re:Just a lead-in by Beatbyte · · Score: 1

      Yeah because there's nothing like running a business that does over a hundred thousand dollars a day in transactions off of some turd who bought a book and now thinks he's god of root.

      Crimony folks, you kind of need experience to do these things well. Kinda like plastic surgery; you may get it cheaper, but look at what you're risking. Your poor wife may come out with crooked boobs! ;)

    2. Re:Just a lead-in by daeley · · Score: 2
      but the thought of teaching UNIX system administration in 24 hours seems unlikely

      Yeah, but think of the backlash if they had called it "UNIX System Administration for Dummies" ;)
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    3. Re:Just a lead-in by zrodney · · Score: 3, Funny



      Crimony folks, you kind of need experience to do these things well. Kinda like plastic surgery; you may get it cheaper, but look at what you're risking. Your poor wife may come out with crooked boobs! ;)


      The latest mke2fs command has a --symmetrical switch to make sure that doesn't happen.

      Rumor is that the new kernel configuration system will be more graphical which will also help ;)

    4. Re:Just a lead-in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, now everyone in my office is asking me why I'm ROTFLMAO!

    5. Re:Just a lead-in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll bet there is one. I was in the bookstore a couple of weeks ago and noticed "CISSP for Dummies." I shit you not.

      Just in case you don't know, CISSP requires three years on the job experience and next month it will require four years experience and a four year degree. Oh, and you have to pass this little test...

      Some people will buy anything that promises quick results - no matter how absurd the idea.

  32. 24 Hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've problems taking seriously books that claim themselves or the reader being able to teach/learn anything in 24 hours.
    Unix administration (as well as programming, cooking, gardening, fu.....) requires years of experience: studying, doing things, making mistakes and learning from others.
    I'm not criticizing the book, as I haven't read it, but the title choice.

  33. I can see the resumes flowing in now... by Silas · · Score: 5, Funny
    I can see it now:
    Objective: to obtain a system administration position in a large IT department.

    ...

    Experience: started learning System Administration about this time yesterday.
    "Yeah, sure buddy, you're hired. Here's the root password and here's some old user accounts we need cleaned up. And would you mind replacing our sendmail install with qmail, we've been getting a bunch of calls lately from wackjobs screaming about some sort of "open relay" problem. Who knows...I'm sure you'll get that all figured out."
  34. thanks for the tip! by Anonymous+Cowrad · · Score: 0

    I get all my advice from slashdot, and that's the best tip I've seen in months!

    That command really did a great job compressing the contents of my disks. I kept trying zip /, but nothing happened. My boss is going to be really happy that we don't have to order that new "raid" setup now!

    One question, though: is there any way to avoid entering my "password" every time I compress the disks?

    --

    --
    pants ahoy
    1. Re:thanks for the tip! by odaiwai · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yes, it's very simple

      >$ su -
      password:
      [ enter password]
      ># passwd
      Enter new passwd: [enter]
      again: [enter]

      Now, you never need to enter your password again!

      Oh, and the disk compression utility is `rm -r -f /` (-rf works on some). The -f is very important, or you'll have to say 'y' to every filename.

      for the more sophisticated user:

      for FILE in `tree -if`; do mv $FILE /dev/null; done

      dave

  35. Dave Taylor by vasqzr · · Score: 0


    Is this the same Dave Taylor, ddt, from Crack dot Com and the Linux port of Doom?

    1. Re:Dave Taylor by vasqzr · · Score: 0



      Okay, I asked a serious question. What gives!?

      Linux port of Doom, as in the id software game.

      http://www.gamers.org/dhs/helpdocs/Linux-DOOM-FAQ. html

      He had quite a UNIX history, but I'm guessing it's not the same guy. After all, it's not like Dave Taylor is an uncommon name.

  36. The Tome of Hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any good BOfH knows that the ONLY book that teaches you these things is the TOME OF HELL.
    What other book can teach you the value of ensuring that you have a perfect network, the true meaning of the work benchmark, and the value of rubber soled shoes.
    Just remember to wear rubber gloves when handling the book. Hate to have a random earthing charge occur when you pick it up.

  37. The first thing you need to know... by Mr2cents · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you ever get stuck in a text editor and you can't quit, type [ESC]:q[Enter]
    After this first encounter, you'll hate that editor. But you will change... slowly...

    --
    "It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton LaVey
    1. Re:The first thing you need to know... by odaiwai · · Score: 4, Funny

      > If you ever get stuck in a text editor and you can't quit, type [ESC]:q[Enter]
      > After this first encounter, you'll hate that editor. But you will change...
      > slowly...

      and after a week or two setting up servers, you'll reflexively type :wq whenver you finish something.

      dave :wq

    2. Re:The first thing you need to know... by rixster · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is that so ? ZZ

      --
      Two wrongs may not make a right, but three ....
    3. Re:The first thing you need to know... by flippet · · Score: 1
      The sad thing is it's actually true... I recall the days of using tin, pressing the wrong button and resorting to restarting the terminal to leave the editor... :)

      Phil, just me

      --
      "Cattle Prods solve most of life's little problems."
    4. Re:The first thing you need to know... by macdaddy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The only thing you need to remember:

      export EDITOR=pico

      or for you tcsh-challenged people

      setenv EDITOR=pico

      vi scares people, even old timers and especially newbies. IMHO vi should *never* be the defauly editor on any distribution. If a power user wants it, let them change it. Give the newbies (the ones that don't know how to change it) something they can use like pico or joe. If we really want to make our OS user-friendly (read: newbie-friendly) we're going to have to start making some compromises on the default settings. The default editor should be easy to use; by default the firewall shouldn't allow local services; daemons and all their friends and relatives should NOT be running by default. Until we make concessions such as these, we can not expect Linux (or any other *nix except for OS X) to be easy for newbies to grasp. We're skilled enough to be able to turn on advanced features and change the defaults to suit our needs. Newbies are usually barely competent enough to get the install right. Lets think about our next Linux generations for a while.

    5. Re:The first thing you need to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think somebody should make something like the MS-DOS edit program, but failing that, pico should be the default. Everyone using a unix system should know how to use vi at least basically though because there are plenty of times when that's all you have. VI is scary, but Emacs is scary too. The main difference is people know how to quit emacs.

    6. Re:The first thing you need to know... by jayed_99 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The first time I used vi, I used CTRL-Z to make it go away. It said "[stopped]", right? Someone came over to my machine and said, "Why in the hell are these (20 or 30) editors running in the background on the server?" Definitely one of my most embarrasing computer memories.

      I often wonder how fledgling sysadmins manage to survive.

    7. Re:The first thing you need to know... by DrDebug · · Score: 1

      pico is for wimp-outs.

      Real Unix Systems Administrators use vi.

    8. Re:The first thing you need to know... by FroMan · · Score: 1

      Or for you tcsh-ignorant people:



      % setenv EDITOR pico
      --
      Norris/Palin 2012
      Fact: We deserve leaders who can kick your ass and field dress your carcass.
    9. Re:The first thing you need to know... by kn. · · Score: 1

      The default editor for Gentoo Linux, which is supposed to be targeted at the more experienced Linux crowd, is nano. A pico clone. Vi is not even available after installation of the base system. I hate that. Oh, btw, it should have been setenv EDITOR pico, shouldn't it?

    10. Re:The first thing you need to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the PICO/PINE license has changed over the last couple of years and quite a few people dislike the non open nature of the new license. vi is the default for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that it is easy to use. You only have to learn about 50-60 commands to be rather effectual and the rest comes in time.

    11. Re:The first thing you need to know... by __past__ · · Score: 2
      If you ever get stuck in a text editor and you can't quit, type [ESC]:q[Enter]
      ?
    12. Re:The first thing you need to know... by rixster · · Score: 1

      DAMN - No funny points

      For those of you who didn't know
      :wq is the same as ZZ if you want to save a file and quit.

      --
      Two wrongs may not make a right, but three ....
    13. Re:The first thing you need to know... by Arandir · · Score: 2

      My Unix comes with ee by default...

      NAME
      ee - easy editor

      SYNOPSIS
      ee [-eih] [+#] [file ...]
      ree [-eih] [+#] [file ...]

      DESCRIPTION
      The ee utility is a simple screen oriented text editor. It is always in
      text insertion mode unless there is a prompt at the bottom of the termi-
      nal, or a menu present (in a box in the middle of the terminal). The ree
      utility is the same as ee, but restricted to editing the named file (no
      file operations, or shell escapes are allowed).

      FreeBSD 4.7 August 30, 1995 FreeBSD 4.7

      --
      A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
    14. Re:The first thing you need to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until the line length is too long for pico to handle. Then it breaks your nice file in interesting places and you get noticed by important people.

      Meanwhile, some poor vi user has to go behind you and clean up the mess.

    15. Re:The first thing you need to know... by nicedream · · Score: 1

      pico -w

    16. Re:The first thing you need to know... by Boglin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Funny, with all the time I spend in the command prompt, I've never had a ':wq' problem. I wonder what I've been doing wrong? ^X^C

    17. Re:The first thing you need to know... by zrodney · · Score: 2

      bah -- I hate pico. give me vi or emacs

    18. Re:The first thing you need to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it possible that there is a vi vs emacs war when the one true simple text editor *nix has to offer is pico?
      I hate vi mainly because I can quit, I can save and quit but to erase something the command is NOT backspace... *sighs*

      I hate emacs because it's a bloated lisp-lovers thing.

      I wish I had a truly good text editor for *nix.

    19. Re:The first thing you need to know... by lowar · · Score: 2, Informative

      > or for you tcsh-challenged people
      > setenv EDITOR=pico

      Errm, I think you mean

      setenv EDITOR pico

    20. Re:The first thing you need to know... by Metalhead01 · · Score: 1

      On the Gentoo 1.4_rc1 CD, vim is included.

      --
      The only reason I keep my Windows partition is so I can mount it like the bitch that it is.
    21. Re:The first thing you need to know... by V4L1S · · Score: 1

      Yeah, nano is cool. After seeing it via Gentoo, I've started using it on cygwin (for this MSwin box here at work). Had to alias it to always include -w, since otherwise I would start to forget and it would bite some script at just the wrong time. Otherwise, it is tiny and sweet.

      --
      "DRM is a mandatory buggy whip in every car." MadAhab (40080)
    22. Re:The first thing you need to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i like ed :)

    23. Re:The first thing you need to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . . . or ^d.

    24. Re:The first thing you need to know... by Psiren · · Score: 2

      You're lucky you didn't have to use ed. I had to use it once when I was stuck on a terminal that wouldn't support the vi on the system. It was very painful. It took me forever to find out how to quit the damn thing.. ;)

    25. Re:The first thing you need to know... by macdaddy · · Score: 2

      Try pico -w <filename>

    26. Re:The first thing you need to know... by .@. · · Score: 2

      vi should never be the default editor? Apparently someone needs to research the reasons why it is. hint: small, statically-linked binary runnable in init 0, init 1, and init [ Ss ].

      --
      .@.
    27. Re:The first thing you need to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main difference is people know how to quit emacs.

      And I'll be FUCKED if I can see WHY most people know this. It's not intuitive in any way, in either vi or emacs.

      Another main difference is that anyone with any vi experience can *always* quit vi - quitting emacs might just be an exercise in figuring out someone else's crazy config.

      "Oh, yeah, I reconfigured my quit command in emacs to be ctrl-alt-esc-Q, shift-alt-printscreen-X..."

    28. Re:The first thing you need to know... by TI-83 · · Score: 1

      actually, vi was what made me more curious about unix. the guy who was setting up my first account put me at the keyboard. "type this" he said. "j. j. j. w. l, l, d, w, i, less, shift-zz" etc. it intrigued me; I couldn't figure out what was going on. so I went and did some quick reading, and next time I logged in (from school via ssh) I just started playing. but then I like cryptic things.

      --
      &&stuff;
    29. Re:The first thing you need to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ee - easy editor

      Haven't seen that in many years. If you like WordStar keybindings, ee is the shit. Real men don't have arrow keys!

    30. Re:The first thing you need to know... by horza · · Score: 2

      Then you'll stop wasting key strokes and type :x

      Phillip.

    31. Re:The first thing you need to know... by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 2

      Heh, what's really bad is when you've had a day of editing files on console and you come back to the one true editor and try to eval the lisp expression 'wq'

    32. Re:The first thing you need to know... by NoOneInParticular · · Score: 2

      [ESC]:q[ENTER]

      E37: No write since last change (use ! to override) :![ENTER]

      !
      !! :q[ENTER]
      E37: No write since last change (use ! to override)

      ^C
      ^C
      ^D
      ^Z
      $> logout
      there are stopped jobs
      $> jobs
      [1]+ Stopped vi hi

      $> start 1
      bash: start: command not found

      $> logout
      there are stopped jobs
      $> logout
      c:\windows>

  38. Never heard of RTFM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Well what slashdotter didn't start off the first day of their *nix experience with familiarising themselves with all the man pages?

    1. Re:Never heard of RTFM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Based on what I've read here... most of them.

      They're too busy looking for HOWTO's that give them a fish instead of teaching them to fish...

    2. Re:Never heard of RTFM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I built just about everything I know up from one page in a book that was released in 1992. It was mostly a book about the Internet (such as it was back then), but it had a page about Unix commands. It listed a few and had a one-line description of each - ls, more, cp, rm, mv, cd, mkdir, rmdir, pwd, etc. The important part is what came next: whatis, apropos, man.

      It was just a matter of trying man on all of those, noticing the "SEE ALSO" references, then going from there. It's a lot to absorb, but if you pay attention you can pick up a lot rather quickly.

      A couple of years later I got a gig running these things. Not bad for a single page out of a book.

  39. Or for the impatient ... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2, Funny

    For the impatient there is 'How to screw-up your system in 5 minutes'.

    --
    Jumpstart the tartan drive.
    1. Re:Or for the impatient ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hee hee... if it takes you 5 minutes to screw up your system, you're not much of a Unix user. :)

      (that's a joke, people)

  40. Seriously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many of these books can one own?

    I think we are finding out how many books Timothy owns!

  41. Wait... this works against us!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    PHB: "According to this book, you can teach yourself how to admin a Unix system in just twenty-four hours."

    ME: "24 Hours??? Really? That must be some book!"

    PHB: "But Microsoft Certification takes months to achieve! So... I can't see us wasting money on Unix systems. Get rid of your Linux system... NOW!"

    ME: "But why? You said yourself this book can teach a person how to admin a Unix system in only twenty four hours!"

    PHB: "Which just goes to show you... Unix is just a toy system! It's only good for running Apache. Come back when it takes YEARS to learn how to admin a Unix system!"

  42. Before we all go and buy this book.. by Mr2cents · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does it have "Don't Panic!" written on it, in large, friendly letters?

    --
    "It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton LaVey
  43. Ok..This is one sysadmins opinion on this... by ACK!! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I read book on system administration and find them often times helpful in terms of putting together ideas of different ways to do things that maybe I had not thought of before seeing as I am the only big unix person in my org at the moment.

    However, I despise the title of these sorts of books. I know that other people have said it but you cannot learn something that is in and of itself a profession within simply 24 hours and the title itself is just silly.

    I feel that these sorts of books are almost a put-down to people that have spent years honing their craft only to find some dipstick book-maker claims that within a day someone starting from scratch could do the things I do.

    The hell they can.

    Note to the PFY of the world. Find a crusty old BOFH, be patient with them and learn slowly from them. No book, or certfication comes close to haing a good mentor when learning the craft of system administration. Not even close.

    ________________________________________________ _

    --
    ACK /ak/ interj. 2. [from the comic strip "Bloom County"] An exclamation of surprised disgust, esp. i
    1. Re:Ok..This is one sysadmins opinion on this... by flippet · · Score: 1
      Note to the PFY of the world. Find a crusty old BOFH, be patient with them and learn slowly from them. No book, or certfication comes close to haing a good mentor when learning the craft of system administration. Not even close.

      You learn quickly, or you get locked in the hub room for the weekend.

      Phil, just me

      --
      "Cattle Prods solve most of life's little problems."
    2. Re:Ok..This is one sysadmins opinion on this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been partially through a couple of the 24 Hours series books, and you should know that what the title means is that it should take you about an hour to read each of the 24 chapters. Once you're past the first couple chapters, it will easily take a few hours just to comprehend the material and do the suggested project. Each chapter is a good starting point that gives you enough to get going with a topic so you can feel somewhat productive and be motivated to learn more on your own.

      Sometimes I think the series should be name "24 Essential topics in " or something...

  44. Why reinvent the wheel ??? by TTL0 · · Score: 4, Informative
    The purple book is all you will ever need.

    If you remember when it was a different color, consider yourself the BOFH.

    --
    Sanity is the trademark of a weak mind. -- Mark Harrold
    1. Re:Why reinvent the wheel ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Customers who shopped for this item also wear:

      Clean Underwear from Amazon's Eddie Bauer Store

    2. Re:Why reinvent the wheel ??? by Mandomania · · Score: 2, Funny

      Woohoo! I'm finally a BOFH! Sorry. What I meant to say was:

      "BOFH, eh? What's your username again?"

      --
      Mando

    3. Re:Why reinvent the wheel ??? by Arandir · · Score: 2
      Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the truth about sysadmins is revealed at last!

      "Customers who shopped for this item also wear:

      • Clean Underwear from Amazon's Eddie Bauer Store
      • Ladybug Rain Boots from Amazon's Nordstrom Store
      • Suede Headwraps from Amazon's International Male Store
      • Cheetah Print Slippers from Amazon's Old Navy Store"
      --
      A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
    4. Re:Why reinvent the wheel ??? by maddskillz · · Score: 1

      Wow...Amazon must be making a killing off of this slashdot post. Now everything has changed from that stuff to Unix Sysadmin books

    5. Re:Why reinvent the wheel ??? by alexburke · · Score: 2
      Look below the book information on that link, and you'll spot:

      Customers who shopped for this item also wear:
      • Clean Underwear from Amazon's Eddie Bauer Store


      Is it just me, or is this a cheapshot at us geeks?

      Sheesh, the nerve...
    6. Re:Why reinvent the wheel ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was red wasn't it?

    7. Re:Why reinvent the wheel ??? by qzulla · · Score: 1

      I followed the Amazon link to see this here Great Purple Book and lo and behold! I found more than the book:

      Customers who shopped for this item also wear:

      Clean Underwear from Amazon's Eddie Bauer Store
      Ladybug Rain Boots from Amazon's Nordstrom Store
      Suede Headwraps from Amazon's International Male Store
      Cheetah Print Slippers from Amazon's Old Navy Store

      Is this what geeks really wear? I mean, I can see the Ladybug Rain Boots (love mine) and the Cheetah Slippers but clean underwear? That HAS to be stretching it, don't ya think?

      qz

    8. Re:Why reinvent the wheel ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah - that's the second edition. The third is purple.

      There is another one out for Linux now - I think it is orange, but don't quote me.

  45. UNIX System Administration Handbook by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 3, Informative

    UNIX System Administration Handbook 3rd ed. doesn't cover OS X, but it does cover Solaris, HP-UX, FreeBSD, and RedHat Linux. I believe the 2nd edition (1995) cover Solaris, HP-UX, IRIX, SunOS, OSF/1, and BSDI

    1. Re:UNIX System Administration Handbook by odaiwai · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is *the* book for someone dumped into being a sysadmin. See http://www.admin.com/ for updates.

      http://www.admin.com/ for a link

      dave

    2. Re:UNIX System Administration Handbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      As a UNIX (DEC,AIX,HPUX,Sun) system admin for the last 8 years, although not for the faint of heart, I would strongly recommend this book. WARNING: This book does not start out with a lesson on how to use the 'cat' command so if you don't know how to use it or what I am talking about, don't buy it. It is sooo good, I once had the book stolen by another sysadmin when he left the company. Good book...don't get it stolen and if you are the guy who stole my book, "Curses upon you and your boxen!" Also I would recommend, "Unix for the Impatient" ISBN 020182376, Addison-Wesley.

    3. Re:UNIX System Administration Handbook by StormyWeather · · Score: 1

      I thought that was the red book... oh well it's been a long time since someone stole mine and I've forgotten.

      I did click on your link though, and was somewhat amused by the cross marketing going on with Amazon. Here's what was below the unix SAH book.

      Customers who wear clothes also shop for: Clean Underwear from Amazon's Eddie Bauer Store
      Ladybug Rain Boots from Amazon's Nordstrom Store
      Suede Headwraps from Amazon's International Male Store
      Cheetah Print Slippers from Amazon's Old Navy Store
      For a limited time get $30 to spend at Amazon when you spend $50 in Amazon's new Apparel Store!

      As we all know, Cheetah Print Slipers are all the rage among the Unix crowd.

  46. I'm not reading it, I'm waiting! by travdaddy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hm, I think I'll pass on reading this book, I'm waiting for Teach Yourself UNIX System Administration In 23 Hours.

    --
    Adidas To Bring Back Sneakernet
  47. Whats Worse.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that this guy wrote some BS book on HTML 4 as well...Sorry - No expert here.

    http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbn In quiry.asp?userid=2X59528QE3&isbn=076453484X

  48. This book should be banned! by GodOfHellfire · · Score: 5, Funny

    The job market is bad enough as it is - I, for one, don't want any extra competition out there.

    The last thing I need is my developers reading this book, then thinking they don't need me around any more!!

    1. Re:This book should be banned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on the overview of the book in the "review," I'd say that any programmer worth a damn should already know 90% of what this book "teaches." They'd still need you around to do all the stuff they don't want to/don't have time for, so don't worry.

    2. Re:This book should be banned! by dapcook · · Score: 0

      Most Good Developers don't need a sysadmin around. I have found in my experience most SysAdmins are not smarter than the end users.

    3. Re:This book should be banned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you've got the wrong sysadmins. It's unlikely you have brilliant users.

      Or maybe you're not running systems that require real sysadmins. I don't consider running an office full of windows machines to be real sysadmin work.

    4. Re:This book should be banned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must work with MCSE's.

    5. Re:This book should be banned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry. When they come back (in a few days) you will be able to hold them up for lots more money. :-)

      Of course, it will take you a month or more to unscramble the system. Make sure you get paid overtime.

  49. Real sysops don't eat quiche... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I stumbled across this back in the late end (14.4K) BBS days

    * Real Sysops don't say they are getting a hard rive.
    * Real Sysops have 1200/2400 baud modems.
    * Real Sysops have a fan on their computer on at all times.
    * Real Sysops turn off their monitor as often as possible.
    * Real Sysops have their own phone line without call waiting.
    * Real Sysops disconnect their computer's speaker.
    * Real Sysops have a real computer such as IBM or compatibles.
    * Real Sysops turn off the ringer on their telephones.
    * Real Sysops won't give you level 8 for a copy of lotus 1-2-3.
    * Real Sysops have a clock card.
    * Real Sysops don't need a ramdisk.
    * Real Sysops don't care if you say that you are putting up a
    board next summer.
    * Real Sysops avoid 'chat mode' as often as possible.
    * Real Sysops don't give access to someone just because they run
    'Sherwood Forest XXIII" and have 300 meg.
    * Real Sysops don't post 'new board' messages on every other
    board in town until their board is really up and running.
    * Real Sysops laugh when people say things like 'I have your
    voice number and 'I am a Phed'.
    * Real Sysops know that 'phone' is spelled with 'ph' and fun with
    'f'.
    * Real Sysops don't bother to answer the phone when they are
    using their computer because they know the guy will have heart
    failure and hang up.
    * Real Sysops don't change the name of their board every month.
    * Real Sysops don't find it amusing when users leave numbers
    like: (CAN) NOT-TELL or (*UN)LIS-TED!
    * Real Sysops don't make excuses like "My dad is calling" if they
    have to go!
    * Real Sysops don't have on-line A.E. and/or Catsend.
    * Real Sysops are n't in any local 'Warez Clubs'.
    * Real Sysops don't take their BBS down every five minutes to
    call a board.
    * Real Sysops don't use 'Text-Trix'.
    * Real Sysops get angry if their boards are crashed. Fortunately,
    real boards are rarely crashed and Real Sysops make back-ups,
    anyway!
    * Real Sysops don't care about "Improper Sign-offs".
    * Real Sysops don't think they are God and are better than
    everyone else.
    * Real Sysops try to help the new users; not cut them down.
    * Real Sysops know the difference between a new user and a loser.
    * Real Sysops don't procrastinate.
    * Real Sysops are n't hypocrites.
    * Real Sysops could n't care less about what some user posts
    about them on a loser board.
    * Real Sysops put up a bbs as a service; not an ego trip!
    * Real Sysops don't run 'pay boards'.
    * Real Sysops don't get out their handy-dandy sector editor and
    plaster their name and number all over a new game.
    * Real Sysops take pride in their BBS.
    * Real Sysops don't care if users leave some obnoxious message
    100 times in feedback. They realize that this user just learned
    AE macros.
    * Real Sysops know that it is their decision whether or not to
    sit in front of the computer all day. They don't care what some
    idiot says.
    * Real Sysops know how to spell.
    * Real Sysops aren't that excited about HBBS (Hi-ress BBS).
    * Real Sysops write their own BBS.
    * Real Sysops make sure that "G" is for Goodbye, and that "Y" is
    for yell.
    * Real Sysops don't have a command for every key on the keyboard.
    * Real Sysops know that a disclaimer is useless, but they keep it
    for nostalgic reasons.
    * Real Sysops do not have systems errors on every other line.
    * Real Sysops use all 80 columns.
    * Real Sysops don't use call back.

    1. Re:Real sysops don't eat quiche... by Capt.+DrunkenBum · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that... It has been a long time since I last saw that list.

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  50. Prerequisite reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Teach Yourself How To Stay Up For 24 Hours in 24 Hours

  51. rlogin to INSTALL openssh by yerricde · · Score: 2

    FACT: rlogin, rsh, rexec, and all other remote access utilities that do not perform cryptographically strong authentication and offer at least the option to encrypt the session are OBSOLETE.

    Then how does one remotely connect to a machine to install OpenSSH? And what about those systems to which OpenSSH has not yet been ported?

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    1. Re:rlogin to INSTALL openssh by The+Man · · Score: 1
      Don't remotely connect to the machine unless you control the entire network between the client and the new system. For practical purposes that means a crossover cable. A switched network is not good enough! So I strongly recommend doing the installation of ssh on the console if it's not included with your operating system. If OpenSSH has not been ported, buy a copy from the various proprietary vendors, or hire someone to port OpenSSH.

      Another option is to put the unsupported sshless system next to a box that has ssh and use a serial cable or crossover network cable to connect them...insecure remote access over networks not under your exclusive control is insanity!

    2. Re:rlogin to INSTALL openssh by walt-sjc · · Score: 2

      If OpenSSH has not been ported, buy a copy from the various proprietary vendors, or hire someone to port OpenSSH.

      REAL sysadmins would port it themselves.

    3. Re:rlogin to INSTALL openssh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      REAL sysadmins [sage.org] would port it themselves.

      Yes, but real sysadmins don't make silly arguments like saying that not having an openssh port is an excuse for using insecure remote-access utilities. They've *already* ported openssh.

  52. No, please, stop, your killing me! by HealYourChurchWebSit · · Score: 1, Troll


    Hee hee ... ho hoo .. you're killing me. Oh ... mercy ... let me wipe the tear of laughter from my eye.

    Oh my .. that was a good laugh. UNIX System Administration in 24 hours ... yeah, I want one of those near my mission critical Solaris servers. I'm sure I can sleep entirely confident that the big iron in my data center will be entirely and completely secure ... ho, ho ... heee .. I can't stop laughing ... oh please stop ... no, don't mention backups and restoratin contingencies ... hhhooooeeeee

    I mean 24 hours isn't a whole lot of time to give someone the experience they need to catch things before they happen .. I mean, I realize *NIX isn't as geeky as it used to be ... but c'mon kids ... what happens when you need someone to administer something 'for real' like an Apache server?

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    1. Re:No, please, stop, your killing me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hardly think 24 hours is enough to administer any OS. But it's better with windows. People at least think they know what they are doing.

  53. Really want to learn UNIX Admin fast? by emptybody · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You can learn basic unix operator skills in 24 hours. You will not get real knowledge without spending considerable time in the trenches. More lessons have been learned working with real systems in real use than in the books.

    Want to learn fast?

    read ALL comp.sys.blah postings. Try to resolve them on your own.

    get some second hand UNIX gear (HP,DEC,SGI,SUN...) or some cheap PC gear (SolarisX86,RedHat,debian,freebsd,MacOSX...),build a LAN.

    make NFS/NIS/LDAP/DNS/SMTP/NNTP/etc. work on your new LAN.

    Read the documentation for each of your platforms.

    Compile and use all the opensource packages you can find. Start with GCC and the major gnu packages. Do not go the easy out pre-compiled route (compiler for first compiler excluded.)

    Make a NFS /usr/local to install all variants into. Make them work on each of your platforms.

    Add printers/scanners/disk/peripherals to each platform. Add any bit and piece that you can find.

    try to find EMC/compaq/netapp storage gear. make that all interoperate.

    make everything work with everything else

    Get on the help desk at a LARGE company or university and answer/resolve as many questions as possible.

    never stop learning.

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    1. Re:Really want to learn UNIX Admin fast? by bovilexics · · Score: 3, Funny

      An excellent list I must say and quite useful, however I think there is one important item that is missing...

      <sarcasm>

      • Head to your nearest merchant and pick up a case of your preferred adult beverage - this will be necessary for dealing with the endless number of frustrations you will encounter when learning to become a UNIX admin using this 'learn-by-doing' methodology

      </sarcasm>

      Truly, the list in the parent post is a good way to pick up these skills. But believe you me, it will cause some grief fumbling around trying to figure out the nuances of all the various types of systems and getting them to interoperate.

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    2. Re:Really want to learn UNIX Admin fast? by bogie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's one thing that absolutely kicks ass about the opensource nix's. Everything you need to learn about nix you can learn at home for free and run them on the oldest pc's you can find.

      I mean try learning windows 2000/exchange/SQL server on a P90 with 32MB ram. Not only is the software timebombed(You don't get to keep that now useful file/print/dns/proxy/firewall/blah server up running forever)but the hardware requirements are much higher.

      Plus these days even though everyone wants to talk about TCO, there is something to be said for being able to provide File/Print/DNS/Web/Proxy/Database/Directory software to your company for Free. Unless your working for the most diehard of diehard MS shops employers take note of that sort of thing.

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    3. Re:Really want to learn UNIX Admin fast? by DrDebug · · Score: 1

      At least half of any 'fixes' posted on
      comp.sys.blah newsgroups are crap anyway.

      You get good when you can recognize those
      posts as crap.

    4. Re:Really want to learn UNIX Admin fast? by Surak · · Score: 2

      Yes, but how do you simulate the 200 users, 3 managers, and 2 company execs screaming down your back?

    5. Re:Really want to learn UNIX Admin fast? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Yes, but how do you simulate the 200 users, 3 managers, and 2 company execs screaming down your back?

      Stand in a cold shower with the stereo blaring AC/DC (or other metal band) at high volume.

    6. Re:Really want to learn UNIX Admin fast? by yoel · · Score: 1

      Do not go the easy out pre-compiled route (compiler for first compiler excluded.)

      Does anybody else find this as funny as I do?

    7. Re:Really want to learn UNIX Admin fast? by JoeSmack · · Score: 1

      Errr... You call doing all that fast?

      Any recommendations on introducing yourself to car mechanics?

      Step 1: Rebuild an entire car from scratch

  54. 24hrs is good. by Inda · · Score: 3, Informative
    This sort of book does not try and teach you everything in 24hrs. It is expecting too much to think otherwise.

    I love the SAMS Teach Yourself stuff. The JavaScript and ASP books have been invalueble to me over the last few years. They are not reference books, although I have refered back to them many times. They are a starting point, a cheap starting point.

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  55. Re:Teach Yourself... I don't think so. by Dog+and+Pony · · Score: 2

    I would go a bit further... all the "Teach Yourself X in N [days|hours]" books I've tried sucked monkey bollocks. It was that Perl one, and the ASP one and a few more that I can't recall offhand. I only bought the Perl one myself, luckily.

    Granted, last time I tried it was quite some time ago (funny what wasting money on useless stuff teaches you to avoid) and they might have gotten a review process instead of beer party and authors instead of monkeys nowadays. I sure hope so, for all the poor sods that buys their books.

  56. Re:Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years by samf · · Score: 1

    I've recently found this essay which I've found to be insightful.

  57. Ummmmm by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It sounds more like you are talking about "how to become an expert at UNIX sysadmining". Now if you are going to be an admin you should of course endevor for this BUT we all have to start somewhere. Being elitest about it gets people nowehere, we were all newbies at one point. the idea of a 24 hour book like this is to try and learn the basics.

    Of course experience is the real teacher, but it's hard to start from zero and get experience. You have to know SOMETHING to do anything, and a book is a great starting point. Initally, you know so little you don't even know what questions to ask and what to learn. Something like this can start you out.

    1. Re:Ummmmm by Junta · · Score: 2

      But judging from the topics in that book, they are aiming at saying 24 hours to being a sysadmin. Why would a user install their OS, for example, *especially* if it is a *nix....

      Personally, I think the parent of your post is wrong, and the book is wrong as well.

      Diving in brute force to solve problems and thinking after the dust has cleared you are a competent sysadmin is just stupid. I've run into some people who have kind-of taken this sort of approach to thinking about sysadmin learning. They come out of it with a decent set of memorized cookbook formulas for certain problems that are relatively common. Can handle low-level stuff fine, and can slap together a couple of cookbook style networks as well, in the design role. However, they frequently do not have the mindset to operate well outside of their cookbook of solutions. Things configured and standards set by such people rarely perfectly match the needs of the company, and obscure problems for which a cookbook solution is not possible or available can put them at a complete loss.

      Of course, same goes for those who rely on books, and I guess to anyone who does it solely as a means to get money. To get a truly good sysadmin you have to find someone who not only has experience to demonstrate they can do most stuff, but also a certain style of thinking and a sincere interest in the field beyond being in it just for the cash..

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    2. Re:Ummmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that certain style of thinking you are refering to is called "troubleshooting". It is hard to administer systems if you don't know how they interoperate and that comes from experience. A real sysadmin has experience with solving problems and has a good idea how to approach problems and estimate the downtime necessary to resolve them. At least s/he had better - because when something goes wrong the first thing management is going to want to know is how long will it take to fix.

  58. An MCSE takes 24 hours!?! by vrai · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So learning to click I Accept/OK to every dialog box and rebooting the machine whenever something goes wrong takes 5 minutes ...

    What are they doing for the remaining 23'55" ?

    1. Re:An MCSE takes 24 hours!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forget "Ignore", and thats wyat they do 23'55

  59. Don't bash the "24 hours" books by techstar25 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have read several of these, and I have found that they offer a nice introduction to a topic that I'm not sure how deep I want to get into yet. So now I know a little bit about everything(operating systems, programming languages, etc) but I'm not an expert in any of them. Those books, plus a little creativity on my resume makes me look like the perfect guy for the job -every job(well at least entry level).

    1. Re:Don't bash the "24 hours" books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These "24 Hour" titles appear to be somewhat disingenuous, if not downright misleading. Several of the topics listed in the subject matter (Shell Scripting, Network Configuration for example) have their own books in this series (or equivalents by other publishers). So in this book one hour is enough to learn Shell Scripting, yet it also warrants a book to itself.? Explain the logic here.

      The "24 Hour" series might be a good introduction on individual topics within systems administration to be read on your own time or for UNIX/Linux newbie hobbyists (like me), but experienced sysadmins with the battle scars to prove it are right in feeling aggrieved at the implication that they can equip you to deal with a live production environment.

      Maybe a title better reflecting the introductory nature would be better. Having read a few they do tend to be good as general introductions.

    2. Re:Don't bash the "24 hours" books by John+Biggabooty · · Score: 1

      Do they have Unix in 24 hours for Dummies?

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  60. Secure a Microsoft Server in 24 hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, that's easy.

    You just unplug it.

  61. What is this crap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reviewing a SAMS "Learn X in 24 Hrs." book is 1 step away from reviewing an "X for Dummies" book. (in other words, lame)

  62. Ha by bogie · · Score: 1

    Arrogant?! Who?

    Admins who just because their in charge of a bunch of servers or pc's are the most self-important pricks you'll ever meet. Never!

    I always have to laugh when I'm at other forums and the people there think their little bit of power at work is supposed to transcend outside it, and excuse them from being assholes in real life.

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  63. COUGH CHOKE LAUGH WTF????? by somethingwicked · · Score: 3, Funny
    Slashdot readers are intelligent people who don't like to waste their time or be told half-truths

    Somethingwicked started to choke violently on his drink.

    "What a wonderful exciting cough," said the little man, quite startled
    by it, "do you mind if I join you?"

    And with that he launched into the most extraordinary and spectacular
    fit of coughing which caught Somethingwicked so much by surprise that he started
    to choke violently, discovered he was already doing it and got thoroughly
    confused.

    Together they performed a lung-busting duet which went on for fully
    two minutes before Somethingwicked managed to cough and splutter to a halt.

    "So invigorating," said the little man, panting and wiping tears from his
    eyes. "What an exciting life you must lead. Thank you very much."

    He shook Somethingwicked warmly by the hand and walked off into the crowd.
    Somethingwicked shook his head in astonishment.


    Slashdot readers are what??? *grin*

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  64. Uptime worship. by juuri · · Score: 2

    [gir/180] % ssh sysadm@rhein uptime
    sysadm@rhein's password:
    8:35am up 620 day(s), 20:04, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.02, 0.02

    Who wants to bring it? That system is constantly running a number of apache based proxies, Solaris based of course.

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    1. Re:Uptime worship. by crawling_chaos · · Score: 2
      You mean that there have been no remotely exploitable bugs that at least required daemon restarts in that time? It really doesn't matter if the kernel is up for 620 days if the services have had to go down once a month for patching.

      Or do you not apply the security patches?

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      -- Colonel Adolphus Busch
    2. Re:Uptime worship. by juuri · · Score: 2

      It runs an apache proxy as I stated earlier. That is it, yes apache has restarted many times in that window. In addition the ssh daemon has been restarted with new version at least six times.

      What do you take services down for hours while you update them?

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    3. Re:Uptime worship. by kurokaze · · Score: 1

      no fair.. we had a transformer take down part of
      our grid earlier this year, caused 24 hours of
      downtime at which time we turned off our solaris
      boxes...

    4. Re:Uptime worship. by crawling_chaos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One microsecond of downtime (for a daemon re-start) re-starts the uptime clock in my book. Claiming continuous uptime just because the kernel hasn't been re-started measures very little indeed.

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    5. Re:Uptime worship. by Saucepan · · Score: 4, Funny

      If a service goes down in the middle of a cluster and no client connections arrive before it comes back up, does it make any downtime?

    6. Re:Uptime worship. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll apply the same logic to a Win32 system. If you don't have to boot it, it (the server) is still up.

      Patching without booting your MS system?

    7. Re:Uptime worship. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One microsecond of downtime (for a daemon re-start) re-starts the uptime clock in my book.

      Time to get a better book.

  65. learn as you go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hankering to administrate something, but you're not a kode phreak? you could get yourself a url, then some nifty scripts (like rob has). pretty soon, you'd have a sort of preconfigured site, which could be adjusted to peddle your wares, etc.... 4asong?.

    no need to fear US, especially since we've been listed as one of the "Top 10 Companies of 2002"(tm) , on fuddle's search thingy.

    almost everything's gnu now.

    you may want to try some nice ktea. it's not snake oil, but it's still good for you.

  66. 24 Hours? Give me a break! by un4given · · Score: 2

    How many people can learn just the VI editor in 24 hours?!

    1. Re:24 Hours? Give me a break! by fishbowl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are about a dozen keystrokes that you need to memorize, and you're productive with vi. If that takes you more than 24 hours, you should have started with a simpler task.
      Of course you can keep learning vi forever, because what you type after :%! is open-ended. But the basics aren't that much to learn. Different from what most people seem to be exposed to before they get to vi, for some reason, but I think that's cultural and not technical in nature.

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  67. AIX sysadmin by mudshark · · Score: 1

    After recently getting RS/6000 and AIX certification, I can vouch for a couple of things: One - AIX backups are a slightly different critter from most Unixes, but very useful; Two - IBM's documentation (the Redbooks) is quite good:

    http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/

    Read man backup, man mksysb, man savevg. Also see the AIX System Support Study Guide SG24-6199, chapter 9 (in the redbooks). And you can use plain old tar or cpio if you want.

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  68. Re:Don't ever get married unless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been there brother.
    I have totalled up my wife's credit card bills while I was married to her.
    Including the money she stole from her mother, her aunt, and finally her uncle, she had spent well over $200,000 in the 15 years I was married to her.
    There is no cure for this type of behavior except for bankruptcy, jail, or death.
    I spent fifteen years paying her bills. That will never happen again.
    By the way, are you doing lunch today?

  69. If this is true: by 2names · · Score: 1
    So now I know a little bit about everything(operating systems, programming languages, etc) but I'm not an expert in any of them.

    Then you are the perfect guy for pretty much any job in IT. A broad (albeit shallow) knowledge base is much better for those positions where one must wear many hats. I would much rather be in a position such as this than to be pigeon-holed into one activity all day, every day, for the rest of my life (which would be short if my work was monotonous).

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  70. No worries by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    I'll get you a rosetta stone so you understand what the reference means.

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    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
  71. My experience with Sams and "Teach Yourself ..." by Lumpish+Scholar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When it comes to technical books, I look for a good publisher first, and a good author second.

    A good publisher can help a so-so author (by, for example, good editing, technical and otherwise). A really good publisher can return a rotten manuscript as unpublishable and refuse to distribute the darned thing. The publisher can only do so much, of course, but I wouldn't lightly underestimate how much.

    Any author, good or bad, gets a lot of value from the publisher. No book is perfect in the early drafts. A so-so publisher may often put out a very imperfect book.

    I've had a little experience (from both sides of the keyboard) with Sams at one point in its history. I don't feel they were a publisher that added a lot of value once the author's work is done. They may have gotten some good authors who put out some good books, but not as consistently as (say) O'Reilly. (I don't know how Sams is doing these days.)

    A couple of replies to earlier comments:

    "... In 24 Hours" doesn't mean "start at 9 a.m. Monday, be done 9 a.m. Tuesday." It means, "put in a couple of hours a day, be done in about a couple of weeks."

    Some people have complained this is an introductory book that's not very deep. Fine; it's not for gurus. It might well be a good book to read before reading the "purple book"; and that's not a bad thing.

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  72. 3 Different OS's in one small book? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I cannot imagine this book giving you anything but the most basic information; enough knowledge to do some serious damage but not enough knowledge to reverse all that damage.

    Who out there does not have any experience as a UNIX SysAdmin is going to suddenly be thrust into a situation where they have to administer both Solaris, Mac AND Linux boxen? It does not seem likely.

    There are better SysAdmin books aimed at each of these individual flavors seperately giving each OS the treatment it deserves.

    I would think that this book would only be useful to the casual hobbyest(sp?). The professional would need something more specific and defined with more meat in it.

  73. NFS share /usr/local bad idea by oob · · Score: 1

    While I generally agree with your post I must take issue with NFS sharing /usr/local, particularly in large multi-user environments.

    One the surface it seems like a good idea, as system administration can upgrade binaries and libraries in one place (the NFS server) and the changes are instantly deployed to every other Unix workstation in the organisation.

    However, just one of the things that can go wrong is this; if for some reason the NFS server is unavailable, all hell breaks loose - EVERY user has "/usr/local/bin" in their path (yes, even S5R4) and their sessions hang when the system goes looking for executables on a non-existent mount.

    I inherited a network that did this, causing no end of difficulty and a major migration effort.

  74. Unix Hater's Handbook by podperson · · Score: 1

    Whatever became of this fine volume?

  75. WINE by Newtonian_p · · Score: 1
    God damit. WINE is not an emulator. Hence the acronyme:


    Wine
    Is
    Not an
    Emulator

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    1. Re:WINE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it IS an emulator! Get a dictionary.

  76. In 24 Hours? Yes. by d1taylor · · Score: 3, Informative
    Hi slashdotters. Just a quick note that those of you who are asking "is this book really sufficient for you to become an expert sysadmin": the answer is, of course, no. I'll quote the introduction:
    What This Book Isn't

    I'd like to state my intent with this book up front, while you're still browsing in the bookstore: This book is not intended to be the only system administration material you ever study. Indeed, this book grew out of a course I have taught, an introduction to Unix system administration. The reason for this distinction is because there are a number of very good reference works on administration (that typically run 800-1,100 pages) that offer a cookbook approach of "if this is wrong, do this to fix it." That's very helpful, and I have these titles on my reference shelf, but they don't teach you how to approach, diagnose, and solve problems the Unix way. That's a major goal for this book.

    When you finish exploring this book, you will know how to think like a good system administrator, regardless of what variation of Unix you encounter. You'll learn how to hypothesize about problems, dig through man pages and configuration files, postulate solutions, then test and verify that they've worked. And have fun in the process too!

    In the same vein, this book isn't 1,001 ways to fine-tune your Unix installation. In fact, we're going to gloss over the question of installation, because for most users the system is either already installed (like Mac OS X or Solaris), or has very good installation and configuration documentation. (Red Hat and Mandrake Linux distributions are standouts in this regard.)

    I hope that clarifies things. Other questions? Send me email, or, of course, post them here at off-topic chaos central, um, /.
  77. Unix in 24 hours? by kenp2002 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Great, just what I need, anohter 24 hours book. I remember once when a manager under me hired someone who learned programming from a QUE 24 hour book. He could code, but he sure as hell couldn't think. Just because I tell you how to do something doesn't mean you've LEARNED anything. Any kid can memorize how to DO sysadmin tasks, it takes an EDUCATION on how to IMPLEMENT AND USE what you've learned. Sorry but the DOT.COM area has ended and the BLOT.COM (Copyright 2003) era has begun. Time to go back to 4 year degrees (or 10 years of experience, I'll accept either) and suits. God I miss the days when computer professionals used to wear lab coats and could actually think instead of quote a useless text book.... sob....

    REAL QUOTE FROM A RECENT MCSE HIRE
    While working with a lacky on fixing an Exchange server we had to disable several features in the registry. When I ask him why he didn't disable the keys himself he said,

    "It never mentioned in the textbook how to do that."

    I would gladly take a smart recently converted AMISH FARMER over ANY MCSE that has been certified in the last 2 years. I can always teach a smart person what I need them to do (and hire them at a lower pay rate initially to boot! :) )

    Here is a simple quiz on how to find a SMART person. Use this!

    "A deaf and dumb (mute) man walks into a hardware store and wants to buy some nails. He approaches the store owner and places his left hand on the counter and starts pounding with his right hand, as if holding a hammer.

    The store owner gets him a hammer.

    The deaf man shakes his head and uses two fingers on his left hand and does the same pounding motion with his right hand.

    The store owner nods and gets several nails for the man to pick from. He picks two nails and buy a couple of boxes.

    The next day a blind man comes in. How does he ask for a pair of scissors? (What is you guess, think about it then read on.)

    Now if your employee makes a scissors motion with his hands I would move him (or her) to the bottom of the stack. Why? The man is blind, not mute, he would simple ask for a pair of scissors. It's this kind of INTELLIGENCE that is needed in the work place that isn't being taught in most schools. I did this test to several instructors at universities to see what kind of staff they had. Most fail. To give credit where credit is due I discovered this test in Issac Asimov's book "The Realativity of Wrong" when Asimov was presented with this same test from... his automechanic. Asimov failed also it seems (in his younger years). This test show that there is more to intelligence than simply memorizing and regurgitating information, it's listening and applying what you've memorized, something a Blah in 24 hours book cannot teach.

    P.S. No time for spell check. Later.

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    1. Re:Unix in 24 hours? by Arandir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're wrong about intelligence. Your story of the blind man is a *trick* question. Questions like these have been tricking geniuses for centuries. They prove nothing.

      The reason it is a trick question is because you spent four paragraphs talking about a deaf mute and impromptu sign language. You've prepared the listener to think "mute" when he hears "blind".

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    2. Re:Unix in 24 hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so sh!t .. if the applicant isn't "smarter" than Isaac Asimov, you move them to the bottom of the pile?

      Where the hell do you work?!?!?!

    3. Re:Unix in 24 hours? by kenp2002 · · Score: 2

      Where is the trick? I learned in school that blind and mute are not the same thing. It's a sign of a slow mind that cannot listen (or in this case read).

      --
      -=[ Who Is John Galt? ]=-
    4. Re:Unix in 24 hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, its the sign of the brain trying to latch on to a pattern - a skill which is invaluable in solving computer problems.
      I don't know who to feel sorry for, the people you weed out... or you.

    5. Re:Unix in 24 hours? by gol64738 · · Score: 2

      all this 'quiz' attempts to prove is attention to detail and patience. it has nothing to do with logical thinking or intelligence.
      if you quiz was to determine intelligence, then the quiz would not even mention the deaf/mute at all and simply ask how a blind man would ask for scissors.

      kids these days...

    6. Re:Unix in 24 hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as he doesn't run with the sissors - oh wait never mind..I guess I'll go back to working on My Exchange Server. What was that register thingy you where talking about? It wasn't on the Transcenders.

    7. Re:Unix in 24 hours? by kbielefe · · Score: 2
      I like your test and have to admit that I fell for the trick. I have to disagree with your assessment of it as a pure intelligence test. However, I think it is an excellent test to find someone with great common sense who can "think outside the box." These are good qualities for a sysadmin, but your test would not necessarily qualify someone for any technical position. I'll explain why.

      These are the type of tests that my wife almost always passes. She's a very intelligent woman and is extremely skilled at her job. She has good common sense and I often ask her advice when I am stuck in a paradigm, even when she has little background knowledge of the subject. She often finds a simple solution when I am struggling with a complex one.

      However, she has difficulty with word problems and algorithms. She also has difficulty with solutions that require analysis and synthesis of many different pieces of information, while these things come easily to me. She can write a program if you give her an algorithm, but coming up with an algorithm is difficult for her. Debugging code and troubleshooting a new problem are also very difficult for her.

      Remember, you would have to teach the amish farmer how to disable the features in the registry just as you had to teach the MCSE. I'm not very familiar with windows, so I don't know how trivial the problem should have been to a MCSE. I'm guessing about as trivial as modifying a config file in *nix -- easily done with some documentation but difficult with none. I do know that a truly intelligent person is aware of what he doesn't know and isn't afraid to ask questions. Your "lacky"[sic] probably had the choice of doing a little trial and error troubleshooting and risk really screwing up the registry or asking the question. I'd probably hate working for you because judging from your post you don't tolerate either. People either have to learn from their mistakes or from the experience of others.

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    8. Re:Unix in 24 hours? by Arandir · · Score: 1

      So what? Play this trick question on a person, and when they answer wrong, and you give them the correct answer, observe their response. Invariably they will say "duh! I knew that!"

      All this question will measure is a person's ability to filter out extraneous information. This may be a useful skill, but it is not a measure of intelligence of linguistic aptitude. Most certainly it does not measure an aptitude for Unix systems administration.

      -----

      Two hundred people die as an airplane full of French diplomats crashes exactly on the border between Germany and Belgium. Where do they bury the survivors?

      --
      A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
    9. Re:Unix in 24 hours? by Tony-A · · Score: 2

      Questions like these have been tricking geniuses for centuries. They prove nothing.
      Au contraire mon frere (assuming my French isn't too far off).
      They prove how easy it is for the real world to set up and foil geniuses with something a moron would get right.

    10. Re:Unix in 24 hours? by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 2

      I think the point behind the quiz is this:

      When given two (or more) sets of information, do you calculate the differences or the similarites when making a decision?

      It's also an excellent test of listening/comprehension skills. Personally, I read that and was under the impression that the first man was deaf AND blind, only when I saw the second question and said "why doesn't he just ask?" did I realize that the first man wasn't blind.

      Of course, the answer should be the differences, as the similarities are always constant :)

    11. Re:Unix in 24 hours? by kenp2002 · · Score: 2

      You make many points, but if I took $400 dollars a day from your checking account do you want to pay for "Trial and Error?" The concept of Intelligence will always be subjective. The fact that he STUDIED to be an MCSE bothers me, and now that I am dealing with new High school graduates I see a disturbing trend. Case in point is the way math works versus history. If I give you

      3x+5=31 you can figure this out right? Right because there is a method.

      Who was the first president of the US? Again easy to memorize.

      The problem with education now is they depend less on method and more on memorization. Thus when presented with a problem that "isn't in the book" they choke. The consultant (and most people I end up firing) do not understand (this is really dangerous) on how to APPLY what they know. They have been spoon fed a terrible education (I knew things were getting bad when I canned a UofM graduate who not only graduated with honors but has held a perfect 4.0 for being incompetent) for not knowing how to fix a lab created problem (That contract I was responsible for "trimming" the staff and was conducting quarterly training, failure meant a pink slip.) I must say this, St. Kate and Purdue (MIT of course) have been putting out excellent, intelligent people; but I swear what is coming out of other schools fail that simple test. It's not hard, you have to listen and be intelligent. Part of being intelligent is not falling into lemming behavior by blindly (ironic) following what the information before you presents. People (especially Americans) have such little self-concept that when presented anything complex we switch to lemming mode and start assuming everything. When you read the post I said blind. WHY would anyone assume he's deaf or mute? Did you just drag dissimilar information along to the next person? There is NO trick to this. None. What it shows is whether a person switches to that lemming mode or not. It's a partial IQ test but it's the most important test a person in a technical field (and medical to a point) must pass. Would you want your doctor making some irrational assumption about a surgery? Here is the ultimate conclusion to that test, I have NEVER had someone ASK ME a question whether the blind man was also deaf or blind. Nowhere in the test does it say the person cannot ask questions or demand additional information. See what I mean?

      --
      -=[ Who Is John Galt? ]=-
    12. Re:Unix in 24 hours? by kenp2002 · · Score: 2

      Where is the "TRICK" in this question? Hell whether you think it's an IQ test or not it's one hell of a listening test. Again IQ will always be subjective but I find the ability to correctly interpret a message a sign of intelligence.

      --
      -=[ Who Is John Galt? ]=-
  78. which chapter.... by tdmonkey · · Score: 1

    explains core dump disection?

  79. next season's "24" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keifer has just one day to restore a backup of CTU's payroll or one of the new sexy girls is going to freak out and blow up New York. He needs this book!

  80. Disclaimer My Ass! by Spencerian · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am not the "Kevin Spencer" you reference.

    I am Kevin H. Spencer, author of one modest, now-somewhat-antiquated book on getting started with Mac OS X programming.

    I am a technical editor and occasional contributing writer for a few Mac-oriented computer books from the old Dummies Press, Pearson Education, and Premier Press publishers. I make my living by supporting Macs and PCs, and have probably done so for longer than you have lived.

    Aside from receiving a copy from which to make this review, I don't get a thing from this.

    And, if I didn't find it more useful to explain who I am for benefit of the article, I would've used my mod points to hack your karma for making such bad presumptions. There's also a "South Park"-ish Canadian cartoon with my name in it, but I doubt he's a UNIX expert, either.

    No book is a perfect reference, but this is a good one if you are getting started with system administration across various platforms. Don't knock a book due to the title. It's actually quite detailed and deeper than what the title implies.

    For a relatively new system admin for Mac OS X systems, this worked for me, and it might work for others with similar skill levels.

    --
    Vos teneo officium eram periculosus ut vos recipero is.
    1. Re:Disclaimer My Ass! by Multiple+Sanchez · · Score: 2

      I know you're Kevin H. Spencer. I went to your blog, then searched for your book, and found it listed for sale on the same page as the book you were reviewing.

      It's in no way unreasonable for me to suggest this glowing review, which leads directly into a link for me to click on to purchase the book, should have included the sentence: "Kevin Spencer is a technical writer, and has written books on programming for OSX." That would have allowed me to make a fully informed reading of your review.

      Now, everyone take a deep breath, and count to ten.

  81. Only SAMS can do this by neognomic · · Score: 1

    I honestly still do not understand the marketing for these books. What kind of lamer would actually believe the title? It is completely ludicrous to buy into such nonsense.
    After this book proves to be *just* as good as Zhang's "Teach Yourself c in 24 Hours" and the the other wonderful 'TY *Almost Anything* in a Day' books that are full of incredibly dangerous advice, they will publish 'TYUSA in 72 Hours' and then 'TYUSA in 1 Week' which will include some, but not all, of the authors' intended tutorials and corrections and still not cover the subject enough to be of any *REAL* value - unless you need a big paperweight on your desk.
    SAMS used to be a good publisher and not let such books hit the market. Now it seems that they and MacMillin are bound to the almighty dollar, regardless of the consequences, preying upon those poor people that actually believe that college is for chumps.
    I am a firm believer in TY because that is the most worthwhile benefit one can obtain from formal education. If one pays attention, the skill to learn many things by teaching oneself becomes second nature and you really can teach yourself the *basics* of many complicated subjects like USA; But, in ONE DAY???? -gimmme a break!

    I admit to purchasing a 'TY' book by mistake. It came as part of 'Introduction to c'(Borland) package deal some years back. I learned nothing of value about c until I put it down and got some REAL references to use, after which I became AFRAID to reference it anymore.
    Stay away from these 'TY * in 24hrs' books unless it is about a VERY simple subject and even then I would doubt the validity of the title.

    WTH happened to truth in advertising??

  82. Console requires airplane by yerricde · · Score: 1

    So I strongly recommend doing the installation of ssh on the console if it's not included with your operating system.

    Yes, but physical access to the console may cost hundreds of dollars per session. I guess that's just the price of data security. Are the data security companies in bed with the commercial airlines?

    --
    Will I retire or break 10K?
    1. Re:Console requires airplane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did you install the system then? Presumably either (a) someone installed it via standard OS media such as a CDROM, in which case that person was at the console and can also install SSH at the same time, or (b) it was attached to the network and some automated process installed it, in which case whoever controls that automated process can simply add ssh to the procedure. Sorry, try again please.

  83. both are safe assumptions if . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the user is the new owner of a Mac OSX machine.

    On my Mac the default admin password was the same as the first user set up.

  84. MORE APPLE ADVERTISING ON SLASHDOT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    During the last year, some 5 or 10 books on the same subject were released, and none was even mentioned in Slashdot. The only reason why this one got "front page" honors is because it says "OS X" on the cover.

    Editors: if you want to run Apple ads, please do so in the banner at the top of the page; not in the middle of the articles. Thank you.

  85. Re:In 24 Hours? Yes. by Spencerian · · Score: 2

    NB: This was a post from the book's author.

    It would be nice to think that /.ers, many of us so open-source minded, would be so close-minded of this or any other book before reading it and determining if it fits your needs.

    All you need is a visit to your local bookstore to decide for yourself.

    --
    Vos teneo officium eram periculosus ut vos recipero is.
  86. you dork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you dork! that's more of a party trick than a test for IQ. I think you missed the whole point. It's like the joke I can't fully remember:

    "You're the driver of a bus, at the first stop X, Y and Z get on and U and V get off, then at the next stop, blah blah blah blah... So who's the bus driver?"

    People expect some question that requires keeping track of who gets on and off or something like that and don't remember being told that they were the bus driver in the beginnning. get it?

  87. Re:In 24 Hours? Yes. NO!!! by neognomic · · Score: 1

    This book is not intended to be the only system administration material you ever study. Indeed, this book grew out of a course I have taught, an introduction to Unix system administration.

    They ALL say that and it is still BS! It's a DISCLAIMER meaning 'I wanted to write a real book but XYZ publisher offered me just as much money to do one-fourth the work required to *really* teach the subject at hand. So if you screw your *, don't blame me.'
    It is no different than the GPL except you have to PAY for it!

    In fact, we're going to gloss over the question of installation,...

    AYA cop-out. The real use of such a book would be HOW2 FIX a broken installation, which one cannot do if one does not know how to get the stuff installed in the first place.

    ...or has very good installation and configuration documentation. (Red Hat and Mandrake Linux distributions are standouts in this regard.)

    A CIRCULAR reference! They claim that one should read other documentation and not depend upon what little they include. So, yes, they standout - as gibberish!


    I believe that there are very few books in this world that should be burned but any book with the title starting as "Teach Yourself" and ending with "Hours" should be on the list.
    The really sad part is that the poor librarians that have no technical skills order these books thinking that they could be good 'beginners' reference material and waste the funds from an already very limited budget.


  88. Re:Don't ever get married unless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Bennigan's" is great. Did you get my expense report?

  89. At long last! by Andrewkov · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thank God for this book! I've been learning UNIX system administration for years on my own, but now in just 24 hours I can learn to be a UNIX guru! Where was this book all my life?!

  90. Trick Questions? Better be good at them... by jsewell · · Score: 1

    Ah, but the computer support arena is FULL of trick questions. Try playing 20 questions with a user about why his computer keeps crashing and you better be listening for detail the whole time. That one little tidbit he throws in 8 minutes into the conversation about the "harmless" software he installed 3 days ago will be the thing that lets you fix the problem and get onto the next luser. If you weren't listening for that kind of detail you will miss it and go round in circles for hours.

  91. So does solaris. by ozzmosis · · Score: 1

    > Although Mac OS X and Red Hat have advanced in versions since this book was published

    Solaris 9?

  92. Re: Kevin Spencer by screwthemoderators · · Score: 1

    You may feel like you've been dragged in the mud, but I think the other K Spencer got the worst of this! Its amazing how many people DO judge a book by its title. I think they have no idea about how difficult it is to publish a book. Personally, I'm glad you posted this story. Thanks

  93. Re:"1/4 the work-" You ignoramous! by screwthemoderators · · Score: 1

    I can't resist biting this troll. Have you considered that it's not that the "publisher offered me just as much money to do one-fourth the work", It's that the publisher offered money for insisting on the crappy title for his book. Have you published any books? I doubt it. Maybe you should try before you hurl around the insults

  94. Learn Vim, Using vimtutor by saudadelinux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm pretty newbie-ish about Linux, and wanted to learn Vi, knowing it's the default editor on a lot of systems.

    I installed Vim on my machine, which comes with a nice little tutorial, vimtutor. I learned the very basics of Vim using vimtutor in an hour, because I was taking it slow - vimtutor says it should take half and hour.

    I've found it's motivated me to master Vim. It's really elegant. I told a friend of mine this and he looked at me like I'd gone crazy, and he hacks kernel stuff...

    --
    I didn't think the house band in Hell would play this badly.
    1. Re:Learn Vim, Using vimtutor by PythonOrRuby · · Score: 2

      He probably reacts that way because even kernel hackers use GUIs.

      Unless I have to conduct all of my business over SSH, I *always* do everything I can in TextEdit(Mac OS X). If I need to compile I'll open a Terminal window, but that's about all I use it for, aside from working with permissions.

      Text-editing via a command-line, if there's any decent alternative, is more frustration than it's worth.

    2. Re:Learn Vim, Using vimtutor by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 2

      Note: I'm primarily an emacs user, but I like vi for quick jobs.

      I don't know about you, but I program all day, and god knows that if I *really* needed to use my mouse in an editor it'd just slow me down and make my life horrible.

      And just because vi is a console editor doesn't mean it can't be used in a terminal emulator (ie, a windowed one)... You say you use MacOSX... does that thing really even have a true 'console'?

      vi has more features than most modern editors and probably is only surpassed by emacs, which as you might know is the grand-daddy of configurable editors.

      End point: it's all about knowing your tool. Terminal/GUI does not matter, and in most cases, the GUI slows you down you end up having to use the ugly rat.

    3. Re:Learn Vim, Using vimtutor by PythonOrRuby · · Score: 2

      Perhaps vi does have more power. But, 99.9% of the time I don't need that power. What is nice is being able to easily select any text(parts of lines usually) in a file and do a selection-specific search and replace.

      It's a matter of preference.

  95. Re:My experience with Sams and "Teach Yourself ... by maddskillz · · Score: 1

    I looked this book up at Chapters.ca (I am Canadian, eh?) And it is red in their picture. IS this a different book?

  96. Just one fscking book? Here's some more. by Wintermancer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Honestly, my bookshelf is ready to collapse with number of administrative related books.But if I was trying to get someone up to speed realtively quickly, I'd recommend the following:

    Linux Administration: A Beginners Guide 2nd Ed.
    Author: Shaw, Steve

    Really, the best migration book for Windows users to the Linux world that I've seen to date. Wide, but shallow, but that does not need to be bad. It's a good primer, but it does tend towards "cookbook" solutions. Get a deeper book once you've read through this. (3rd edition is due out in November, BTW. Makes a good Christmas gift to a Windows user that you know is trying to "covert")

    Linux Administration Handbook
    Author: Nemeth et al.

    Opinionated. Polemic. A touch of arrogance, even. But this book and read it cover-to-cover. They obviously are biased against Windows servers. So will you after using *nix as well. Mine's dog-eared and highlighted to hell.

    Essential System Administration
    Author: Frisch, Aeleen

    Dear God, if you don't own this, please go and buy it. Honestly, a definitive book on *nix. Twice as dog-eared and worn as Nemeth. You'll get this book when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

    Add a few specialty books to the mix, and you're more than set. Just read BOFH and develop the neccessary arrogant, anti-social attitude as you go ;-)

    Cheers.

    1. Re:Just one fscking book? Here's some more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll get this book when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers

      "Take my gun" references are so much more effective because the bearer HAS A GUN! If someone wants to take your book, threatening them with ... a book ... doesn't quite instill the same dread. /this was meant to be funny

  97. Re:My experience with Sams and "Teach Yourself ... by Lumpish+Scholar · · Score: 2
    I looked this book up at Chapters.ca (I am Canadian, eh?) And it is red in their picture. IS this a different book?
    This (red book) is the second edition; this (purple book) is the third edition. You want the third edition.
    --
    Stupid job ads, weird spam, occasional insight at
  98. Ever thought that they might be doing this on purp by pudge_lightyear · · Score: 1

    Ok...so we've established that they probably don't lose a ton of money --YET-- on this... so... why not release a few big name flicks on the net as though a hacker/employee with bad motives did it, complain about how the releases killed their profitts, and get their local congressman to introduce legislation to allow them rights into things they don't currently have.
    There have just been too many big name movies released this way lately...it kinda' makes you wonder.

  99. You mean my 24hrs of reading Slashdot.. by Dareth · · Score: 1

    .. doesn't make me a honest to goodness Certified(able) Linux/Unix/BSD/Darwin System Admin...

    Shit, and I thought all I had to do to be an Admin was get a paying job in charge of actual production servers. Damn damn damn!

    --

    I only look human.
    My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
  100. wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whats wrong here? the book was only rated an 8 and not a 9.. wow i guess theirs a first for everything

  101. did i miss something? by b17bmbr · · Score: 1

    Dave provides a very geeky answer--his Apple PowerBook G4 is running Mac OS X (with Darwin as its core, of course), along with a PC running Windows 2000, Linux Mandrake 8.1, and a web server running Red Hat Linux 7.2

    since when did win2000 become a flavor of unix?

    --
    My problem? I was perfectly gruntled, until some numbnuts came by and dissed me.
    1. Re:did i miss something? by Booyakka+Joe · · Score: 1

      Wasn't the aim with NT to be a "Better Unix than Unix"

      --
      This is where I keep my clever quotes "" Yup I only got a pair, so I better not waste em!
  102. "24 Hours" is figurative you morons, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Count the chapters. Read the intro. The series isn't talking about clock hours, no matter how witty you may want to appear by making clock jokes, you sniveling MCSEs.

  103. The Problem With Books Like This... by dupper · · Score: 1
    ...is that I can't actually buy them at the book store. Oh, I see them on the shelves, and they're well within my price range, but I'm afraid to be seen buying them. No, not because I don't want to be discovered buying this by so-called "cool" and "normal" people, but because I'm afraid that some other nerd will see me with it, and snicker at my not knowing UNIX sytem administration, already.

    Same reason I almost didn't ever buy Half-Life!

  104. Re:"1/4 the work-" You ignoramous! by neognomic · · Score: 1

    It's that the publisher offered money for insisting on the crappy title for his book

    So, what's the difference?
    The effect is the same!

    If you cannot work out the logic, don't bother to troll.

  105. who wants to be an admin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd say it's ok. If you can spend 24 hours in a row working on ONE issue without any sleep, vitamins or peoplae you'll probably make up a pretty good admin.

  106. Re:COUGH CHOKE LAUGH WTF????? by theNeophile · · Score: 1

    Belgium!

  107. And the breakaway bestselling sequel... by PleaseDontBeTaken · · Score: 1

    Teach Yourself in 24 Hours: Recovering from Being Owned

    Table of Contents
    Chp 1: Introduction
    Chp 2: Explaining why login is acting funny
    Chp 3: Recognizing and using the kill switch
    Chp 4: How to use the US Postal Service to notify users of service and email interruption
    Chp 5: Installing from Backups
    Chp 6: Special for "Teach yourself Unix System Administration in 24 Hours": Installing fresh from CD-ROM
    Chp 7: How to buy and use "Teach yourself Unix System Administration in 24 Hours"
    Chp 8: Go to Chapter 2

    Save $4.95 and buy both books now!
    -

    Yes, I had to change the title, but it would be tough to learn, in 24 hours, how to recover in 24 hours from being owned.
    -

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  108. Re:COUGH CHOKE LAUGH WTF????? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot readers are what???

    Plagiarists?

  109. The "Donkey" in Donkey Kong by 4_Scythe · · Score: 1

    There isn't one!

    It was something to do with a translation or spelling error going from the Japanese Market to the European / American markets. The game was originally called "Monkey Kong" - make more sense now?

  110. A possible solution by yerricde · · Score: 1

    (Context: hypothetical situation that poses a difficulty in upgrading from obsolete rlogin/rsh to OpenSSH. Current roadblock is the cost of travel to the colocation facility where the machine resides, as all major security upgrades such as this one should be done at the console.)

    How did you install the system then?

    I lived close to the colo plant back then, but then either I or my servers have moved cross country.

    But I just thought of a possible solution: rlogin tunneled over ssh. First ssh to another box at the colo plant, and then because they control their own internal network, rlogin using a non-routable address to the server in question, and install ssh that way.

    --
    Will I retire or break 10K?
  111. I got a trick question, actually two by b17bmbr · · Score: 1

    1) what is the menaing of is?

    2) is oral sex, well, sex?

    answer correctly and you too can be POTUS.

    --
    My problem? I was perfectly gruntled, until some numbnuts came by and dissed me.
  112. I resent that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was a self-important prick before I became a sysadmin!

  113. Hah! by Col.+Panic · · Score: 2
    No, they wouldn't. To be a sysadmin you have to know:

    hardware

    scripting

    system file locations and purposes

    network protocols

    filesystems

    process management

    user administration

    printing

    email administration

    Well, maybe not email administration - someone else's ENTIRE JOB might be email administration. But you get the idea.

  114. Re:Trick Questions? Better be good at them... by Arandir · · Score: 1

    Ah, but the computer support arena is FULL of trick questions.

    Yeah, but the original post called this a test of intelligence. Albert Einstein would make a lousy computer support monkey.

    --
    A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
  115. Cool! by Col.+Panic · · Score: 3, Funny
    I have a week off coming up during the holidays. I think I will buy a few of these and learn:

    Unix Administration in 24 hours

    Programming C++ in 24 hours

    Programming Perl in 24 hours

    Administering Oracle Databases in 24 hours

    SQL in 24 hours

    Then I'll take off the weekend. Maybe go sailing - yeah, that's it - I'll sail from Florida to California on Saturday and back home on Sunday.

  116. Solaris 9, anybody ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    @book{watters,
    author = "P. Watters",
    title = "Solaris 9 : The Complete Reference",
    publisher = "McGraw-Hill",
    year = 2002,
    note = {\em 0-07-222305-7, $ 50, 864 pages.}
    }

  117. my pet UNIX peeve. . . by jafac · · Score: 2

    For me - what I think I need MOST, is a reference for the various unixes. A reference that details the following for each flavor:

    Boot sequence.

    NVRAM/Open Firmware commands.

    Listing of various directory structures, and what they're for (every frickin Unix is different, and IMO, it's the most difficult part of working on a Unix system - figuring out what is where).

    Listing of various .conf files, what they're for, where they're located, etc.

    - -
    That's really all. I'm sick of Unix books that concentrate on the standard shell commands and tools we all already know. Give me a reference that tells me how to work on different flavors without going insane!

    --

    These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
    1. Re:my pet UNIX peeve. . . by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I've found that this information can easilv be found on the net. When teaching myself unix administration, I used geek-girl.com to get a handle on most things. My advice to would-be admins is to look the book over first to see if this book would help you or not. Kisses, Dolemite

      --
      Save the World! Use a Quote!
  118. Re:My experience with Sams and "Teach Yourself ... by MastrBlastr · · Score: 1
    I gave up on Sam's altogether after "C for Linux Programming in 21 Days". This quote is from the beginning of Day One:

    If you want to read about the history of Linux or the relationship between Linux and other operating systems, you will find a brief discussion of these matters in Appendix A, "ASCII Character Chart."

    Q: If a roomful of monkeys randomly types ASCII characters, how long will it take them to eventually type the history of Linux?
    A: Twenty-four hours, but only if nobody proofreads it.

  119. How to learn Unix Administration in 24 hours by NoOneInParticular · · Score: 2
    First, start with installing an stock RedHat 6.2 on a box. Make it a server install. Connect to internet. Don't set up a firewall. Furthermore, make sure that the box will be used as the only mail server of the company right from the start.

    After the machine is hacked in 15 minutes, management and all coworkers will give you at most 24 hours to make the server productive and safe. After this longest day, you will have learned the essentials of Unix Administration.

    1. Re:How to learn Unix Administration in 24 hours by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 1

      Don't forget to disable the Mail Relay Blocking in Sendmail as well. Mmmm. Trial By Fire Administration. Dolemite

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  120. Re:Trick Questions? Better be good at them... by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 2

    "So, you can't enter your password. Are you sure your caps lock isn't on?"

    "Nope, it's not"

    "So... Hrm.. Can't figure it out -- but ask me this question, that little light bar on the keyboard. Do you see it?"

    "Yes"

    "Are any of the lights lit up?"

    "Yes"

    "Which one is it, the one in the middle?"

    "Yeap"

    "Ok, I want you to press your CAPS LOCK button, and try typing in the password again."

    "Wow, that worked! Thanks a lot. I wonder what it was..."

    "Yep, I wonder."

  121. The second thing you need to know... by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

    Holy wars are fun. You can start one by mentioning vi to an emacs user or vice versa. You can start armageddon by mentioning Pico to an emacs user discussing with a vi user. These occasions will keep your life as a sysadmin cheerful and diverse.

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