Whatever their name is, they want to control how I use my computer. How can LINUX and trusted computing co-exist?
I suppose you don't have to re-compile your kernel, I have not, yet.
But many of the things I install need to be compiled. I write my own programs, they need to be compiled as well! This last is the worst fear I have, for 99% of computer users never doing any programming is ok, they just surf the web, send email to each other, listen to music, watch movies. TCPC/TCG will not hurt those who do this in "Association Approved" ways.
Linux is about software inovation, for the 10% of us who write our own programs this is the end. I might as well run Windows XP
Even if I can't re-compile my kernel, who is to say that my programming project of the week does not read the sound interface to re-produce any sound being played by the speakers as an MP3? Clearly for them to be able to "Trust" our computers, we can't be allowed to write any programs.
Too bad they can't "trust" us, so they have to take our computers away from us so they can "trust" them.
Any defense lawyer worth a damn is going to have a Safeway employee on the stand explaining several different ways someone could use his Safeway Club Card #.
And what If He had actually bought the fire-starters, for His Fireplace or BBQ, and the Arson Perp took them to use to start the fire?
The Perep could have also bought Firestartes of his/her own at Safeway as well, once they were used there would be no way to tell if the Starter was one that was bought by the Firefighter or the Perp!
Really the fact that the starters were bought at safeway, and the fact that the firefighter had bought startes Is not evidence!
If I repeat I have nothing to hide, my life can be an open book long enough do you think I will belive it?
Those sent to the new circle of Hell will be tasked with finding the one email that would release them, amongst thousands of spam messages a minute.
Each time they delete a message without reading it 5 more are sent. They must read each message fully, and even then they may not find the one message. There will also be dummy messages that look like the one but will not be the one.
What can be done, then when Windows itself demands that the "Trust Element" be activated. Or even that the "Trust Element" can't be de-activated (windows won't run on any machine where it can be turned off)
Every Motherboard manufacturer will have to bow to the will of trusted computing, or not be able to run the "most popular" OS.
I wonder If "WE" shouln't fork the hardware development and develop our own "open source" motherboard. Think of it - No legacy hardware, at least none we don't like, A motherboard designed to work with Linux.
(ugh I suppose they could make it illeagal to own)
A "trusted" computer won't run any program that is not properly "signed". You could get a distribution of Linux, say, where the kernel and all the other utilities are all properly signed, but If you changed the kernel and re-compiled it's not signed any more.
I suppose that means that only Interpreted languages like Basic or Perl or Python could run on a trusted machine, because you may be able to create a program in C and compile it - but only the "masters" can sign it.
One step away from that could be that you could run anything on your machine that you compiled there, you could sign programs - but only for your own CPU (your binary would not run anywhere else)
This would be GOOD for Open Source becuase the only way to share a program is to share the source, (hmm or perhaps only the object?)
It's us, who see the DRM and the problems it causes us vs Them, not **AA, but all those who buy even with the DRM. They don't care, They are willing to give up the little rights they have for fair use, for the privilige of watching the movie or hearing the music.
There are not enough of us to make a differnce to them.
And **AA will make sure that the pain remains just below the threshold for those who only listen to the CD or watch the movie on approved devices.
The oposite question is also good to consider, Why is it you can run your unprotected, never examined machine without catching anything, yet if anyone else trys to do the same they get loaded to the gills with viri and spyware and all othe manner of mean evil nasty things?
That's all well and good, if management backs you up. On the other hand if management says "We don't care, We need this application, just make it work".
Management has been known to say things like this even with detailed notifacation of exactly what access the vendor is getting to the company network.
I havn't seen The Incredibles, but wouldn't this be a lot like the system shown in "Minority Report"? I supose no one can park their car at your living room without a clearance code..
It wasn't congress, it was the EPA. In california at least the California EPA went to the federal EPA and begged them "Mandate MTBE pleeaase", the Fedeal EPA said "Yup!" and all the california oil companies said "4- profit!!!".
They could now 1-charge more for gas, because CA was a captive market and they had a monopoly. 2- They could put MTBE in the gas, before that they had to PAY to get rid of it as it was a hazardous waste, now they can sell it $$$
Once MTBE started getting in the water, There was a big push to have it removed. So now the state says remove it ASAP (as soon as possible-hmm possible only in about 20 years. It's still in there except one major state chain (they put ethanol in))
Doesn't a computer monitor have a "local oscillator" too? I have and still enjoy using my Apple II, it uses a TV for a monitor which I *never* watch TV on - would I still have to pay?
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I suppose you don't have to re-compile your kernel, I have not, yet.
But many of the things I install need to be compiled. I write my own programs, they need to be compiled as well! This last is the worst fear I have, for 99% of computer users never doing any programming is ok, they just surf the web, send email to each other, listen to music, watch movies. TCPC/TCG will not hurt those who do this in "Association Approved" ways.
Linux is about software inovation, for the 10% of us who write our own programs this is the end. I might as well run Windows XP
Even if I can't re-compile my kernel, who is to say that my programming project of the week does not read the sound interface to re-produce any sound being played by the speakers as an MP3? Clearly for them to be able to "Trust" our computers, we can't be allowed to write any programs.
Too bad they can't "trust" us, so they have to take our computers away from us so they can "trust" them.
And what If He had actually bought the fire-starters, for His Fireplace or BBQ, and the Arson Perp took them to use to start the fire?
The Perep could have also bought Firestartes of his/her own at Safeway as well, once they were used there would be no way to tell if the Starter was one that was bought by the Firefighter or the Perp!
Really the fact that the starters were bought at safeway, and the fact that the firefighter had bought startes Is not evidence!
If I repeat I have nothing to hide, my life can be an open book long enough do you think I will belive it?
He can talk when he has as many eyes
Auditing his source code as we have
looking at ours.
Ballmer, Publish your code for the world to see
then talk.
Hmm..
How long would they have to stay "gone" in the event of a "life-ending" event?
I guess those vacationing on the moon could stay there till earth gets "back to normal". How long could that take? 10s of years? 100s?
Ok you chemical guys!
.5 foot cube and supply 15 amps to
Make us a Fuel Cell that works on black coffee. It should fit in a
a single outlet on the surface.
-- Oh Waitress! Another cofee for me, and one for my cubic freind here too.--
Those sent to the new circle of Hell will be tasked with finding the one email that would release them, amongst thousands of spam messages a minute.
Each time they delete a message without reading it 5 more are sent. They must read each message fully, and even then they may not find the one message. There will also be dummy messages that look like the one but will not be the one.
Agreed,
What can be done, then when Windows itself demands that the "Trust Element" be activated. Or even that the "Trust Element" can't be de-activated (windows won't run on any machine where it can be turned off)
Every Motherboard manufacturer will have to bow to the will of trusted computing, or not be able to run the "most popular" OS.
I wonder If "WE" shouln't fork the hardware development and develop our own "open source" motherboard. Think of it - No legacy hardware, at least none we don't like, A motherboard designed to work with Linux.
(ugh I suppose they could make it illeagal to own)
Ok, so a guy plans to bring down a plane, he really wants to bring it down. but he never says anything about it, he just tries.
When they pick him up, all he says is "Im sorry I was just play'en around with the laser I didn't mean to shine it in the plane"
If the danger is the same, shouldn't the punishment be the same? It's easy to lie about intent.
Everyone else has given examples.. here's mine
Blackbox.
Small/Fast/not windows-like at all
saves resources for your programs!
http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/
Wouldn't your normal laptop seller (last guy to have it before it is sold to it's nex owner) just erase the hard drive an install somthing on it?
like linux
It's probably more like each of them run office because everyone else uses office.
As I understand it....
A "trusted" computer won't run any program that is not properly "signed". You could get a distribution of Linux, say, where the kernel and all the other utilities are all properly signed, but If you changed the kernel and re-compiled it's not signed any more.
I suppose that means that only Interpreted languages like Basic or Perl or Python could run on a trusted machine, because you may be able to create a program in C and compile it - but only the "masters" can sign it.
One step away from that could be that you could run anything on your machine that you compiled there, you could sign programs - but only for your own CPU (your binary would not run anywhere else)
This would be GOOD for Open Source becuase the only way to share a program is to share the source, (hmm or perhaps only the object?)
It's us, who see the DRM and the problems it causes us vs Them, not **AA, but all those who buy even with the DRM. They don't care, They are willing to give up the little rights they have for fair use, for the privilige of watching the movie or hearing the music.
There are not enough of us to make a differnce to them.
And **AA will make sure that the pain remains just below the threshold for those who only listen to the CD or watch the movie on approved devices.
The oposite question is also good to consider, Why is it you can run your unprotected, never examined machine without catching anything, yet if anyone else trys to do the same they get loaded to the gills with viri and spyware and all othe manner of mean evil nasty things?
The camera in the post office, would know anything that the credit card you used to pay with knows.
I just realized Forth is Yoda's native language!
Perhaps then if you are patent case worker and a patent you granted is ruled invalid, you also loose your job.
That's all well and good, if management backs you up. On the other hand if management says "We don't care, We need this application, just make it work".
Management has been known to say things like this even with
detailed notifacation of exactly what access the vendor is getting
to the company network.
Having a sample of the output will not help if the investigator can not find the printer itself.
Moral: buy a single use printer with cash and destroy it afterwards.
Do they put the serial numbers on ink jet printers?
Should I have posted anonymously?
I havn't seen The Incredibles, but wouldn't this be a lot like the system shown in "Minority Report"? I supose no one can park their car at your living room without a clearance code..
It wasn't congress, it was the EPA. In california at least the California EPA went to the federal EPA and begged them "Mandate MTBE pleeaase", the Fedeal EPA said "Yup!" and all the
california oil companies said "4- profit!!!".
They could now 1-charge more for gas, because CA was a captive market and they had a monopoly. 2- They could put MTBE in the gas, before that they had to PAY to get rid of it as it was a hazardous waste, now they can sell it $$$
Once MTBE started getting in the water, There was a big push to
have it removed. So now the state says remove it ASAP (as soon as possible-hmm possible only in about 20 years. It's still in there except one major state chain (they put ethanol in))
Perhaps consumers need a database about stores with "unfortunate" policies
Anybody?
Just give the WRONG answer...
From a curious american...
Doesn't a computer monitor have a "local oscillator" too? I have and still enjoy using my Apple II, it uses a TV for a monitor which I *never* watch TV on - would I still have to pay?