I don't know what would be the best words for it - but some people thought the wording was ambiguous enough that the license wouldn't be afforded certain protections and this court has said the language was acceptable. Maybe stronger isn't right - how about broader? Or a change in how copyright law is applied? Something definitely has changed here in my opinion.
IANAL-- It's stronger copyright law - but for 'our' side I guess. Interesting.
I would think with a eula the issues aren't just whether or not it is a license or contract but all the issues with how that agreement is entered by the user. so there is more to it than this, it seems to me.
With the vast number of Free and Open Source licenses out there, I think it will take a few more cases like this before things really start to get ironed out. Yeah- stuff may bleed over, but it doesn't have to, even if it would make sense.
I have a bad habit of repeating words. I re-read what I wrote and try to weed them out, but I still miss quite a few.
If I were doing this for pay or something, I'd put more time into it, get someone else to read them before I submit, etc. But it's all for fun and I can live with it.
What would you do differently with a book like this? Here is a quick summary of my thought process in writing this: It's a reference book. It's a tool. It's not a story that will move you or even instructional to teach you something new. I'm not going to regurgitate the content - so that leaves what? Describing the tool to help people decide if it will be useful to them or not.
I am seriously interested in your thoughts. I do these for fun, but I'd always like to do a better job if I can.
the only reason any of that matters - is because right now their search doesn't work. if it did work better than google, people wouldn't care what they did with their money. but it doesn't - and so cuil is doomed to become a joke, or reference to failure. And it's not like this wasn't obvious right from the start.
Now he's getting a tattoo yeah he's getting ink done He asks for a 13 but they drew a 31! Friends say he's trying too hard and he's not quite hip But in his own mind he's the he's the dopest trick
These issues - as well as some options are discussed in the blog post that I linked. I myself cannot discuss them at depth because I just downloaded it after seeing it here at slashdot and haven't really done anything with it yet. So I didn't forget it - I just don't have anything to say about it at this time.
This zdnet blogger already gave it a spin on some commodity-like hardware (which it seems to me there might be a few here who will be so inclined) and has a nice write-up of the results as well as some good tips on how to avoid some trouble spots for those not fortunate enough to be putting this on enterprise level hardware.
Downloading the ISO does require creating an account with a ton of required fields - so there are a few minutes of typing involved. There is also the usual eula to agree too, which I need to go over before I do anything with the disc image I've downloaded.
Sure - and there are better materials available than mineral oil. I don't think there is much here that is new.
I'm sure some of the big hardware companies are looking at options like this and much more to allow for anything that may allow them to build more power efficient data centers.
It's not a spray - but you are right that it would allow a coated board to run immersed in cooling fluid. It would however, I would think, really limit ones ability to make changes to hardware without going through the coating process again afterward, which could be really expensive.
Or - rather than sealing off every entry point for water, you take the device apart and seal every surface - which is what they do. It doesn't matter how thin the surface of the coating is - inside the device, unless you make a habit of pulling things apart and scratching them.
The FAQ for the Golden Shellback (what they call this stuff) site says:"9. What aspects confuse people most about this process: a. People get confused and think this is a spray. It is not, the coating needs to be applied in a piece of equipment. b. People seem to wonder a lot about the contacts and how they are sealed. The contacts are not, the surfaces are sealed. So, water can run in and out.
That right there ought to deal with a lot of the statements and questions that are about to be made in this thread.
I was going over dvds at netflix the other day and found out my wife never saw tron. bumped it to the top of my queue right away. now this. very cool. hopefully the teaser will be available through apple or something soon. looks interesting but this 'bootleg' version leaves a lot to be desired.
usaf has never been on the same team as the others you mention in this regard. from building the golf courses on a base before the runway to lavish living conditions for staff - they've always been very different.
because the bsa has really nothing to gain by providing numbers that don't accurately reflect the true situation with regards to the use of unlicensed software.
Because I wanted to see what it would take, and if it would be possible. Last time I had tried I thought I couldn't even do it, since then I've learned some more about how the Google product works and wanted to check it out.
I spent a decent amount of time today reproducing an OO.o spreadsheet in Google Docs - still a long way to go there before it is a threat. The gDocs spreadsheet does some cool things for a web app - and I was impressed with some of the features (for a web app - see how I have to keep qualifying?) but it still doesn't come close to the desktop app.
Don't get me wrong. I've used PostgreSQL. I love it. And I want it to be competitive with Oracle in every way. It's just that it isn't, and that is just the fact of the matter.
Do most people need a lot of that stuff? Not really. And we haven't even talked about apps. If you want to run Peoplesoft, Siebel or a number of other enterprise type apps, for which there are no open alternatives to my knowledge - then you wont be running any open rdbms either.
I'm a dba - I'd love to see FOSS catch up with the closed source folks because then I could do whatever I want with some great software. But they aren't quite there yet.
And anyone who likes to bitch about MySQL deserves an Oracle bill.
What did I miss? MySQL has huge problems that are solved by many products that don't cost anything near what enterprise Oracle costs. And in fact, many are free.
It's 2 sentences. And I thought they were pretty clear - but I guess this proves that not to be the case. So I'll see if I can do a better job this time.
When partitioning is required, and there are many cases I can think of where this is so, Postgres is not a suitable replacement for Oracle.
I do not disagree that PostgreSQL is a good replacement for Oracle on the low end - or even in the middle. Lots of products can do that.
As for what the author said about what his app requires - that's irrelevant. When I said "stuff like that" - I'm talking about his links to how to do 'partitioning' in PostgreSQL. So if you would like to argue that partitioning in PostgreSQL is on par with partitioning in Oracle (or MS SQL Server for that matter) then you would be responding to my one and only point.
On a completely unrelated note, I'm also very skeptical that there is any PostgreSQL equivalent to RAC. Once again, this is a technology that really wont see wide spread use. But when you do need it, there aren't many places to go.
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I don't know what would be the best words for it - but some people thought the wording was ambiguous enough that the license wouldn't be afforded certain protections and this court has said the language was acceptable. Maybe stronger isn't right - how about broader? Or a change in how copyright law is applied? Something definitely has changed here in my opinion.
IANAL-- It's stronger copyright law - but for 'our' side I guess. Interesting.
I would think with a eula the issues aren't just whether or not it is a license or contract but all the issues with how that agreement is entered by the user. so there is more to it than this, it seems to me.
With the vast number of Free and Open Source licenses out there, I think it will take a few more cases like this before things really start to get ironed out. Yeah- stuff may bleed over, but it doesn't have to, even if it would make sense.
I have a bad habit of repeating words. I re-read what I wrote and try to weed them out, but I still miss quite a few.
If I were doing this for pay or something, I'd put more time into it, get someone else to read them before I submit, etc. But it's all for fun and I can live with it.
What would you do differently with a book like this? Here is a quick summary of my thought process in writing this: It's a reference book. It's a tool. It's not a story that will move you or even instructional to teach you something new. I'm not going to regurgitate the content - so that leaves what? Describing the tool to help people decide if it will be useful to them or not.
I am seriously interested in your thoughts. I do these for fun, but I'd always like to do a better job if I can.
I look forward to introducing my kids to this game. I don't know if they will enjoy it as much as I did, but I think they will like it.
I think the thing that makes it tough above all else, at least by her accounts, is the chronic pain. That would make anyone cranky.
the only reason any of that matters - is because right now their search doesn't work. if it did work better than google, people wouldn't care what they did with their money. but it doesn't - and so cuil is doomed to become a joke, or reference to failure. And it's not like this wasn't obvious right from the start.
Now he's getting a tattoo yeah
he's getting ink done
He asks for a 13
but they drew a 31!
Friends say he's trying too hard and he's not quite hip
But in his own mind he's the
he's the dopest trick
These issues - as well as some options are discussed in the blog post that I linked. I myself cannot discuss them at depth because I just downloaded it after seeing it here at slashdot and haven't really done anything with it yet. So I didn't forget it - I just don't have anything to say about it at this time.
This zdnet blogger already gave it a spin on some commodity-like hardware (which it seems to me there might be a few here who will be so inclined) and has a nice write-up of the results as well as some good tips on how to avoid some trouble spots for those not fortunate enough to be putting this on enterprise level hardware.
Downloading the ISO does require creating an account with a ton of required fields - so there are a few minutes of typing involved. There is also the usual eula to agree too, which I need to go over before I do anything with the disc image I've downloaded.
Sure - and there are better materials available than mineral oil. I don't think there is much here that is new.
I'm sure some of the big hardware companies are looking at options like this and much more to allow for anything that may allow them to build more power efficient data centers.
It's not a spray - but you are right that it would allow a coated board to run immersed in cooling fluid. It would however, I would think, really limit ones ability to make changes to hardware without going through the coating process again afterward, which could be really expensive.
Or - rather than sealing off every entry point for water, you take the device apart and seal every surface - which is what they do. It doesn't matter how thin the surface of the coating is - inside the device, unless you make a habit of pulling things apart and scratching them.
Oh - and it's not a spray.
I didn't say it would stop them - or even slow them down. Just deal with them. And it does that.
The FAQ for the Golden Shellback (what they call this stuff) site says:"9. What aspects confuse people most about this process:
a. People get confused and think this is a spray. It is not, the coating needs to be applied in a piece of equipment.
b. People seem to wonder a lot about the contacts and how they are sealed. The contacts are not, the surfaces are sealed. So, water can run in and out.
That right there ought to deal with a lot of the statements and questions that are about to be made in this thread.
I was going over dvds at netflix the other day and found out my wife never saw tron. bumped it to the top of my queue right away. now this. very cool. hopefully the teaser will be available through apple or something soon. looks interesting but this 'bootleg' version leaves a lot to be desired.
That $199 on the iphone is just a down payment.
usaf has never been on the same team as the others you mention in this regard. from building the golf courses on a base before the runway to lavish living conditions for staff - they've always been very different.
because the bsa has really nothing to gain by providing numbers that don't accurately reflect the true situation with regards to the use of unlicensed software.
Because I wanted to see what it would take, and if it would be possible. Last time I had tried I thought I couldn't even do it, since then I've learned some more about how the Google product works and wanted to check it out.
I spent a decent amount of time today reproducing an OO.o spreadsheet in Google Docs - still a long way to go there before it is a threat. The gDocs spreadsheet does some cool things for a web app - and I was impressed with some of the features (for a web app - see how I have to keep qualifying?) but it still doesn't come close to the desktop app.
Don't get me wrong. I've used PostgreSQL. I love it. And I want it to be competitive with Oracle in every way. It's just that it isn't, and that is just the fact of the matter.
Do most people need a lot of that stuff? Not really. And we haven't even talked about apps. If you want to run Peoplesoft, Siebel or a number of other enterprise type apps, for which there are no open alternatives to my knowledge - then you wont be running any open rdbms either.
I'm a dba - I'd love to see FOSS catch up with the closed source folks because then I could do whatever I want with some great software. But they aren't quite there yet.
your right, i was a little hopped up this morning. and i should have been more mellow. sorry about that.
And anyone who likes to bitch about MySQL deserves an Oracle bill.
What did I miss? MySQL has huge problems that are solved by many products that don't cost anything near what enterprise Oracle costs. And in fact, many are free.
It's 2 sentences. And I thought they were pretty clear - but I guess this proves that not to be the case. So I'll see if I can do a better job this time.
When partitioning is required, and there are many cases I can think of where this is so, Postgres is not a suitable replacement for Oracle.
I do not disagree that PostgreSQL is a good replacement for Oracle on the low end - or even in the middle. Lots of products can do that.
As for what the author said about what his app requires - that's irrelevant. When I said "stuff like that" - I'm talking about his links to how to do 'partitioning' in PostgreSQL. So if you would like to argue that partitioning in PostgreSQL is on par with partitioning in Oracle (or MS SQL Server for that matter) then you would be responding to my one and only point.
On a completely unrelated note, I'm also very skeptical that there is any PostgreSQL equivalent to RAC. Once again, this is a technology that really wont see wide spread use. But when you do need it, there aren't many places to go.