Alot of companies/admins are waiting for an Exchange replacement. I for one have considered dropping exchange for a flat out mail server that runs in a *nix environment but it always comes back to the scheduling of exchange. With all of the people out there writing code, it still amazes me that nothing has surfaced. Why not take time off f the useless mp3 player/id3 reader/all of the other crap and contribute to a worthwhile project?
The guy posting the article link is from the site it's at? Jesus, that story came out about 2 days ago and this guy is pimping his site with. No dignity.
Amazing how the Slashdot zealots rip people for the smallest things. This guy had ALOT of good points in his "story" and you guys are ripping him for it? I agree with him almost 100% when it comes to Linux on the desktop and at the server level.
Linux at the server level is at the top of it's game in my opinion. Linux at the desktop and end user level needs alot of work. It isn't friendly to the convert or new user, and it is generally targeted to the people that have above average computer knowledge.
As he explained, average Joe User is not going to accept his normal web site viewing to look like it does when you first start Netscape/Konqueror/Mozilla. It does look like garbage and needs work. What amazes me is that there are 100,000 mp3 programs that are being made, but yet nobody has the time nor desire apparently to work on the most trivial things...making it look "pretty".
It's the basis for all human interaction. If you go buy a car and it looks like it's been run over 40 times, you aren't going to buy it. And you certainly aren't going to look under te hood and realise that it manages fuel well. Same with a woman(or man if that's your taste), we all know that you wouldn't give a but ass ugly girl the time of day, but if she looks good you are dying to talk to her.
My point to all of this is that if Linux looked better out of the box, it would have a wider appeal and more people would give it a chance for a longer time.
Not sure what all this is going to mean in the end, but Macromedia does make great web development tools. I would love to see Dreamweaver MX or Flash MX end up as Open Source sometime soon. But this is more than likely a pipe dream.
"Pipe Dream": When someone is smoking the pipe too much and seriously believes that something will happen.
Well, the first time I have ever heard of this site so I signed up. The first 2 movies I selected, Rush Hour 2 and Ocean's Eleven both timed out with a connection error. And unfortunately once you have selected the movie and clicked on it to view, you can't remove it from your list. Hopefully I can watch them within the next 3 days or I lost out on the cost of the movies. I you're going to start a project or site with this, the first priority would be bandwidth and making sure people can watch the movies they pay for.
All of the people who continue to whine and complain that MS doesn't open their code to allow other people to look at can't keep playing the violin for themselves. Mod me down, call me a troll, whatever but the bottom line is that you are asking for something that is never going to happen. If I owned a business that made money off of software code, I wouldn't allow a competitor to view the code. Plain and simple. It would be bad business and just plain stupid. If the so called "purists" are so eager about everything being open sourced, how about letting me examine your bank account? Your cc staements? What's that, I may steal something from you and make you lose money? My point exactly.
That's a lame comparison. The OS DOES NOT violate anti-trust laws. Explain how it does. Maybe their corporate tactics violate anti-trust, but the OS itself doesn't.
I just don't understand how this is even legal in the world. How can any company, regardless of how much you hate them, be required to change their product to allow their competitors to put their product with it. It would be like a cereal company that's really successful being told that had to take part of their cereal out of the box and add a sample of the competitors cereal. Sounds re-god-damn-0diculous doesn't it.
(I just mention cereal because I am eating some now.:)
When I first saw the story I about shit a brick. The company I used to work for was called the same thing, only based in Vegas with an office in Phoenix.
On a related note, is this what the country has come to? Now not only are software companies allowed to come into your business and snoop around for no reason, the RIAA is allowed to come in as well? If this was the governement doing this sort of thing it would be illegal. Everyone here has some form of mp3 repository at their officem especially if they are a sysadmin, the only question is the size of each of them.
I would say this is a continuance of their pissing match with Sun.
The one thing I would have to disagree with is the part that says you have to hire "expensive experts". If a company is looking at running *nix full time, they already have the experts in place. The only time we ever hired outside people to come in is when we were stacked to the rafters with implementation items.
Hell, we just bought Office and Windows for a client the other day and the cost for 20 each was around $10,000. And that was for all Windows upgrades, not even the full license. They could of bought a nice server with that kind of cash.
I guess I must be old school for not being into something like this. The guy basically talks about the city and says umm 4 million times. You would think that if you're releasing something on the internet that is all spoken word, that you would have at least been to a ToastMasters session at least once or twice.
I actually agree, I was just making the case for why people were apparently upset. Maybe my post came off differently. I have supported Mandrake for several years now, and while I don't care to use Star Office because I don't care for it, I would like to see Mandrake stay around for a long time so I can continue to use a great distro.
I think you're missing the point of the story. I personally am not bothered by them "charging" for Star Office, I am more upset that they basically changed their membership benefits. It's like if you buy a warranty for your tv for 3 years, and it includes free parts for that tv at a set cost. And then the company comes back some time later and says, we aren't going to give you those same parts unless you pay for the upgraded warranty. It's not about paying for Star Office, it's about getting what you were told you were getting in the first place.
This is a huge step in the linux community, at least as far as new users are concerned. I personally can't stand the Real Media format because of the quality, so this is good news. Regardless of anyone's opinions, Windows Media files have a great deal more quality than other formats. The only concern I have is that this will somehow get cornholed and get tangled in some sort of lame legal battle.
I for one have been a Mandrake user for a year or so now and have been very happy with the product. Mandrake provided a much easier transition from Windows to Linux for myself and others like me. I understand everyone's preferred distro choice normally isn't Mandrake or RedHat, but these two are definately on the right track to getting more people to use Linux. For those of us who some would classify as "n00bs", there are alot of concerns people have with switching over. Besides making the install fairly straight forward and understandable, Mandrake especially makes it much easier to "plug and play" if you will. From the first time I installed it, all of my stuff worked without a hitch. I can't say the same about other distros I tried. Mandrake was the first one that actually made me say, "Wow, this is pretty cool". So let's not celebrate that Mandrake may go down in flames, but instead try and help out a company that is making it easier for people like me to try and become familiar with Linux. Hell, they made me a loyal user of Linux.
You mean that speach was aimed at people downloading mp3's?
Ok, I guess I need to pay attention then. I thought when he was talking about robbing artists of their livelyhood, and making sure artists get paid for their work, he was talking to the record labels. But then again, they do pay the artists a whopping $.12 a record.
Those of you who are saying that if they owned a company, they wouldn't pirate software. Well, it's not like most companies are out there running warez ftp sites or downloading iso's from someone. Most of the time I have see "licensing infringements" is when a company has every intent on paying for the software. Most companies will only by the amount of licenses they need, and they won't have an extra 5 or so copies around. An emergency comes up and they need a new server up, they pop in the Windows 2000 server cd and install it. Then they make a note to order another license when the do their next purchase of software/hardware. We usually did it once a month.
<i>i think the main difference between the linux bug/exploits is that problems with the linux kernel will almost never give you any kind of root access.</i>
No, you're right Linux developers don't claim that Linux is perfect. BUT, alot of the people on Slashdot do. Maybe not directly, but in various other ways. Think about what comments pop up every time there's a Windows exploit. They usually are something along the lines of "That's why I use Linux" or "That wouldn't effect Linux". Just because the latest XP exploit doesn't effect Linux users for the obvious reasons, that doesn't mean that something of equal harm won't peek into the Linux commmunity. Just my opinion, but maybe people should calm down a little.
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Alot of companies/admins are waiting for an Exchange replacement. I for one have considered dropping exchange for a flat out mail server that runs in a *nix environment but it always comes back to the scheduling of exchange. With all of the people out there writing code, it still amazes me that nothing has surfaced. Why not take time off f the useless mp3 player/id3 reader/all of the other crap and contribute to a worthwhile project?
The guy posting the article link is from the site it's at? Jesus, that story came out about 2 days ago and this guy is pimping his site with. No dignity.
Amazing how the Slashdot zealots rip people for the smallest things. This guy had ALOT of good points in his "story" and you guys are ripping him for it? I agree with him almost 100% when it comes to Linux on the desktop and at the server level.
Linux at the server level is at the top of it's game in my opinion. Linux at the desktop and end user level needs alot of work. It isn't friendly to the convert or new user, and it is generally targeted to the people that have above average computer knowledge.
As he explained, average Joe User is not going to accept his normal web site viewing to look like it does when you first start Netscape/Konqueror/Mozilla. It does look like garbage and needs work. What amazes me is that there are 100,000 mp3 programs that are being made, but yet nobody has the time nor desire apparently to work on the most trivial things...making it look "pretty".
It's the basis for all human interaction. If you go buy a car and it looks like it's been run over 40 times, you aren't going to buy it. And you certainly aren't going to look under te hood and realise that it manages fuel well. Same with a woman(or man if that's your taste), we all know that you wouldn't give a but ass ugly girl the time of day, but if she looks good you are dying to talk to her.
My point to all of this is that if Linux looked better out of the box, it would have a wider appeal and more people would give it a chance for a longer time.
Not sure what all this is going to mean in the end, but Macromedia does make great web development tools. I would love to see Dreamweaver MX or Flash MX end up as Open Source sometime soon. But this is more than likely a pipe dream.
"Pipe Dream": When someone is smoking the pipe too much and seriously believes that something will happen.
Well, the first time I have ever heard of this site so I signed up. The first 2 movies I selected, Rush Hour 2 and Ocean's Eleven both timed out with a connection error. And unfortunately once you have selected the movie and clicked on it to view, you can't remove it from your list. Hopefully I can watch them within the next 3 days or I lost out on the cost of the movies. I you're going to start a project or site with this, the first priority would be bandwidth and making sure people can watch the movies they pay for.
Jesus, an agent screwed up....new office on the north pole....get it? The moderation here never ceases to amaze me.
FBI now says they have opened an office on the North Pole. No word on why an agent volunteered for it.
All of the people who continue to whine and complain that MS doesn't open their code to allow other people to look at can't keep playing the violin for themselves. Mod me down, call me a troll, whatever but the bottom line is that you are asking for something that is never going to happen. If I owned a business that made money off of software code, I wouldn't allow a competitor to view the code. Plain and simple. It would be bad business and just plain stupid. If the so called "purists" are so eager about everything being open sourced, how about letting me examine your bank account? Your cc staements? What's that, I may steal something from you and make you lose money? My point exactly.
That's a lame comparison. The OS DOES NOT violate anti-trust laws. Explain how it does. Maybe their corporate tactics violate anti-trust, but the OS itself doesn't.
I just don't understand how this is even legal in the world. How can any company, regardless of how much you hate them, be required to change their product to allow their competitors to put their product with it. It would be like a cereal company that's really successful being told that had to take part of their cereal out of the box and add a sample of the competitors cereal. Sounds re-god-damn-0diculous doesn't it.
:)
(I just mention cereal because I am eating some now.
When I first saw the story I about shit a brick. The company I used to work for was called the same thing, only based in Vegas with an office in Phoenix.
On a related note, is this what the country has come to? Now not only are software companies allowed to come into your business and snoop around for no reason, the RIAA is allowed to come in as well? If this was the governement doing this sort of thing it would be illegal. Everyone here has some form of mp3 repository at their officem especially if they are a sysadmin, the only question is the size of each of them.
Also, if I decide to 'ping bomb' your box, should you be required to pay?
No, but I could just turn off my computer and the 'ping bomb' wouldn't be possible while it's off.
Classic....just classic
I would say this is a continuance of their pissing match with Sun. The one thing I would have to disagree with is the part that says you have to hire "expensive experts". If a company is looking at running *nix full time, they already have the experts in place. The only time we ever hired outside people to come in is when we were stacked to the rafters with implementation items. Hell, we just bought Office and Windows for a client the other day and the cost for 20 each was around $10,000. And that was for all Windows upgrades, not even the full license. They could of bought a nice server with that kind of cash.
This article ownz just for being posted at 4:20
I guess I must be old school for not being into something like this. The guy basically talks about the city and says umm 4 million times. You would think that if you're releasing something on the internet that is all spoken word, that you would have at least been to a ToastMasters session at least once or twice.
I actually agree, I was just making the case for why people were apparently upset. Maybe my post came off differently. I have supported Mandrake for several years now, and while I don't care to use Star Office because I don't care for it, I would like to see Mandrake stay around for a long time so I can continue to use a great distro.
I think you're missing the point of the story. I personally am not bothered by them "charging" for Star Office, I am more upset that they basically changed their membership benefits. It's like if you buy a warranty for your tv for 3 years, and it includes free parts for that tv at a set cost. And then the company comes back some time later and says, we aren't going to give you those same parts unless you pay for the upgraded warranty. It's not about paying for Star Office, it's about getting what you were told you were getting in the first place.
This is a huge step in the linux community, at least as far as new users are concerned. I personally can't stand the Real Media format because of the quality, so this is good news. Regardless of anyone's opinions, Windows Media files have a great deal more quality than other formats. The only concern I have is that this will somehow get cornholed and get tangled in some sort of lame legal battle.
I for one have been a Mandrake user for a year or so now and have been very happy with the product. Mandrake provided a much easier transition from Windows to Linux for myself and others like me. I understand everyone's preferred distro choice normally isn't Mandrake or RedHat, but these two are definately on the right track to getting more people to use Linux. For those of us who some would classify as "n00bs", there are alot of concerns people have with switching over. Besides making the install fairly straight forward and understandable, Mandrake especially makes it much easier to "plug and play" if you will. From the first time I installed it, all of my stuff worked without a hitch. I can't say the same about other distros I tried. Mandrake was the first one that actually made me say, "Wow, this is pretty cool". So let's not celebrate that Mandrake may go down in flames, but instead try and help out a company that is making it easier for people like me to try and become familiar with Linux. Hell, they made me a loyal user of Linux.
You mean that speach was aimed at people downloading mp3's?
Ok, I guess I need to pay attention then. I thought when he was talking about robbing artists of their livelyhood, and making sure artists get paid for their work, he was talking to the record labels. But then again, they do pay the artists a whopping $.12 a record.
Those of you who are saying that if they owned a company, they wouldn't pirate software. Well, it's not like most companies are out there running warez ftp sites or downloading iso's from someone. Most of the time I have see "licensing infringements" is when a company has every intent on paying for the software. Most companies will only by the amount of licenses they need, and they won't have an extra 5 or so copies around. An emergency comes up and they need a new server up, they pop in the Windows 2000 server cd and install it. Then they make a note to order another license when the do their next purchase of software/hardware. We usually did it once a month.
You didn't say remotely before, you just suggested that the kernel exploits couldn't be used to gain root access, which of course they can.
<i>i think the main difference between the linux bug/exploits is that problems with the linux kernel will almost never give you any kind of root access.</i>
That's funny in itself and yet so untrue.
No, you're right Linux developers don't claim that Linux is perfect. BUT, alot of the people on Slashdot do. Maybe not directly, but in various other ways. Think about what comments pop up every time there's a Windows exploit. They usually are something along the lines of "That's why I use Linux" or "That wouldn't effect Linux". Just because the latest XP exploit doesn't effect Linux users for the obvious reasons, that doesn't mean that something of equal harm won't peek into the Linux commmunity. Just my opinion, but maybe people should calm down a little.