I would first search the ppcLinux email archives, then consider posting the question to the list. I know it's been a subject of much discussion there. I sold my G3 ages ago so I have not kept up on things in the PPC world.
If you are starting from scratch -- not using an old Mac -- what's the advantage?
I mean, sure, PPC might have a "cleaner" design but who gives a rats ass? The advantage of that is LOST when one considers that the compiler and library chain on Linux PPC is nowhere near as mature as on X86. Someone with more knowledge than myself could state why X86 gcc blows away the ppc port of gcc.
Personally, I liked PPC most because it was low-power and so needed less active cooling. But the new VIA miniboards with the VIA (Cyrix) chip are relatively cool itels also. Cool and quiet is nice for things like embedded MP3.
For a desktop, I don't see the value in PPC. Now maybe if Motorola and IBM woke up and LEVERAGED Linux as a "write once, complile & run anywhere' platform, but PPC chips are a small part of their business. Unlike Microsoft, Motorola has no "religion"... just look up the "anti- mother-company" threads where Motorola went on a witchhunt for anything "Motorolla Inside"... be it MacOS, or PPC NT. I don't mean now, because PPC NT4 is dead, but at one time it was supported.
The author should ask to ammend the question to include (or not) compatability with Mac PPC as a goal.
Can you buy Motorola motherboards and pop in a CPU? Sure.
That's it??
It would be more interesting to consider the "platform" as part of the question. Some would be exclusively interested in compliant hardware that runs MacOS. Others would just want something that runs Linux.
>Patenting drugs is an example, they take considerable research and testing to develop, and their formulas should therefor be protected
Your point might be stronger if it weren't for the fact that biotech is HEAVILY subsidized by US tax dollars. Take your pick.. you got targeted tax breaks, direct government grants, near-free use of taxpayer Universities, and discounted student labor from said University/research labs.
A lot of this is people taking whatever they can get: "big government" is GOOD when it's handing out grants, and providing muscle to the courts supporting bad patents.
The system (which I support) is not operating anywhere near what the Founding Fathers set up the infrastructure for. Go figure.
Would a HOW-TO on copying the Lik-Sang mod chips be a violation of the DMCA??
That may be funny, but I'm serious.
Since the argument is against Lik Sang because they made a profit, what if these chips THEMSELVES were pirated?
Surely Lik Sang would lose out (sorry!), but if THEY can't sell the things, I think they'd have a difficult time prosecuting someone who sells their design at not-for-profit. Since they are off the market, copying the chips themselves is no longer more effort than it's worth...
Anyone get one of these chips and study them? Can the firmware be dumped to an image and burnt with a common EEPROM burner?
>No. The question was in two parts - the first about video cards, the second about deticated analog capture solutions. In fact, the reason I phrased it like that was in case there is a nice hardware analog to firewire solution that would be OS independant.
Oh. Then you want a RCA-to-Firewire bridge. You can get them at CompUSA or online for $150 up. They are basically realtime capture devices using a constant bitrate. I have no idea what the quality is, but I would doubt it's as clean as software-based multipass variable bitrate stuff.
Like you said though... the current Linux offerings are sub-par. Now you can GROW that market yourself by buying an inferior product, but who the hell wants to do that?
It will take a few years for Linux multimedia to gain traction. The special effects houses are ALREADY on Linux, but you're talking niche stuff that we can't afford. If you can't wait a few years, get a iMac or PC capture board.
>Or both of you could get a mac and realize this works flawlessly out of the box with no tweaking
Why bother with such a snide remark? You read the article; obviously I have a working setup and I am happy with it.
BTW -- this isn't 1995 anymore... x86 plug and play WORKS as good as on the Mac; sometimes BETTER. Don't believe me? Tell me how you get a external DVD-R recorder working on an iMac. The blinders that some Mac users wear.. it's just sad.;-)
BTW, I had a G3 up until 2 years ago. The Mac has a chance of becoming the "best of" both Linux and Windows, but they'll never get the new titles without expanding the user base.
YEARS AWAY, but it's more likely that Linux will become more usable AND get the needed apps... before Apple gets their prices in line. Or maybe neither will happen.
Re:I may be asking too much here... (capture? Use
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For that matter, I'd like to do video editing at some point in the future (when I get a digital camcorder).
Video capture on Linux... from a "freebie" capture port on your video card??
Forget it man.
Video capture requires drivers AND applications. You buy a video card for Linux, and IF the manufacturer supports Linux, video drivers are all you get. ATI has drivers for Linux... but not even the 3D part. See what I mean?
The only way to get Linux capture drivers is to buy a dedicated capture card for Linux. That way you get what you paid for, with no "missing features" on the Linux side.
Besides, the way things improve and drop in price, you never want to buy this hardware BEFORE you are ready to begin using it.
Me? I have a MSI GeForce4 4400 (oc'd of course). Capture only works on Windows, but in a few years I expect Linux capture support to become a competitive feature... just like primitive driver support has become now.
I've used broadcast capture equipment, and while this capture port can be called a "toy", the MSI Video-In/Out port which handles uncompressed 720x480 fine (if your drive can not handle uncompressed YUV I sugest HuffYUV which is lossless compression).
Whatever you use, "realtime" MPEG compression sucks. It looks OK if you consider how hard your PC is working to do the job in software, but there's just no substitute for variable-bitrate multipass compression. CBR video creates fixed size files that are compromised everywhere... multipass VBR allows you to lower the "average" bitrate by 25%, AND give better quality (presuming you lower the bitrate floor and ceiling and have a good encoder).
I've transferred 8 hours of VHS to DVD so far. Did someone say Star Wars? I didn't.;-)
With VHS, you shouldn't have to capture at 720x480 because of the limitations of VHS resolution on the VHS tape... you can get away with 360x480 (not a typo!) and then double the horizontal lines... a good capture card does this in hardware.
IF there's a way to use 360x480 on DVD and specify the aspect ratio as 8:3 (did I do that right?), you'd save a LOT of DVD space but I have not tested this. Until I figure that problem out, there's no advantage to capturing at this res... but it's worth mentioning if your hardware cannot keep up (you would have to stretch the video afterwards).
In short, dual boot... or fork out real cash for professional capture under Linux. You have a limited selection under Linux and will pay more until the market becomes more viable.
You'd also need to MASTER your DVD's under Windows. No authoring sw for Linux anywhere (AFAIK). Once you HAVE mastered your DVD, you CAN burn it under Linux using dvdrtools.
>Just ask for volunteers that are willing to give up their pay so that the company can afford to use Outlook.
That suggestion only works if YOU are the owner of the company, or are a CEO secure in your position.
You can't be one of the above because you read Slashdot. If you even work in IT (which I doubt), try pulling your attitude at any corporate environment.. your coworkers will start drawing straws for your cubicle before your suggestion even hits management.
I don't mind learning new mail clients, but most people have a herd mentality: they'll all get together and complain how "difficult" your new mail client is, and Accounting will cite "training costs".
>I would much rather just have a seperate application, nearly exactly like the KDE client, ported to windows.
You are smoking crack!! (Not flamebait, moderators.. look at my post history).
Just TRY telling all your users they can't use Outlook. They AND YOUR BOSS will find every way possible to slow your project down, and make you look incompetent.
Don't bite off more than you can chew... leave the Windows users be... for now.
When everyone else is happy, and the ONLY reason the group is spending $300-$400 each person is JUST for Outlook, you'll have some support for mandating a new email client. Until then, keep your head DOWN and make sure most people are satisfied before moving to the NEXT big project.
Even in the government (if that's your case) you need "happy customers" or the controversy you generate will catch up to you someday...
>>The Mozilla client would be very well integrated into the server, able to access web pages, email, and newsgroups, as well as LDAP contacts, scheduling, and other groupware features.
>Isn't this how we got into this mess in the first place? The OS needs, IE, which you can't remove, and Outlook requires IE, and everything is integrated into these two applications and their support subsystem. Look at the trouble it's given the Windows users.
True enough, but is that arguement supposed to support the KDE alternative approach? That comment applies equally to KDE, does it not?
Just TRY decoupling Konqueror from KDE... you can't even (EASILY) build KDE without all the theme stuff.
Personally, I think 70% of this is backend, desktop/OS-agnostic stuff... and should be worked out in a desktop-neutral manner. I'm not saying everything would be built with KDE dependencies, but it would not surprise me either.
We really need some cooperation and coordination between KDE & GNOME... I'm not putting forth the "one desktop" concept, but surely we can get cooperation on things like calendaring. If GNOME has a calendaring concept (Ximian's commercial Exchange plugin doesn't count), then all the open source folks should leverage what they have in common.
>>Eventually the prices will drop further since (I suspect) it's no more expensive to manufacture DVD-R than it is to make CD-R.
>This is what I'm waiting for. It shouldn't cost more based on capacity. The factor should be cost to produce and cover costs.
Don't expect this in the next 18 months... CD-R production volume is amazing, and will only increase as newbie users begin to appreciate "Mount Ranier" features which promise floppy-like ease of use.
DVD-Reader and DVD-R TOGETHER far lag just CD-R installations. Heck, I've got a DVD burner, and NOT all of my PC's (3) have a DVD drive yet. I suspect this is common.
Anyways, if you measure in what you pay now for CD media, plus your TIME managing them, DVD-R is "cheaper". This is more true if you work with a lot of big files.
>DVD burners are available for about $200. That's less than most digital cameras period. Now they just need to bring down the price of media.
To what??? Where are you getting your media prices from.. RETAIL?
DVD-R holds 6.7x the data as a common CD-R *[1]. A DVD-R blank also (coincidentally.. no connection) costs about 7x what a blank CD-R costs *[2].
You can *always* find CD-R for cheaper. I have a stack of "free after rebate" CD's I only use as throwaways: when it's humid or I stack the discs, the reflective media PEELS off. That's right, the discount CD-R might not have a protective top layer. I haven't seen this cheap-ass design in the DVD-R world, yet.
Anyways, the prices for DVD-R seems VERY reasonable given the capacity. Eventually the prices will drop further since (I suspect) it's no more expensive to manufacture DVD-R than it is to make CD-R.
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> Ximian GNOME has a number of advantages over the standard desktop GNOME that comes with your distro.
Disclaimer: Ximian has a number of nice touches to GNOME that I really like. Standard GNOME2 kicks ass -- I'm using RH 8.0 beta -- so I'm anxious to see what you guys have done. I have some guesses as to what you've done to "enhance" GNOME2. I'll spare the possibility of being wrong by not stating my hunch.;-)
The above is unnecessary fluff to protect against newbie moderators who mod tough questions as "troll". Now, on to my question:
Why the heck can't you guys work out your dependency conflicts with Debian???
I *know* you guys love Debian, and a lot of your coders use Debian, so this conflict I do not understand.
For those not running Debian, the problem is this: install Ximian on a Debian box, and you get circular dependency conflicts... making you feel like you have a RedHat box full of rpm's off Freshmeat. Debian puts a lot of work into their package management, and your.deb packages totally reduce one of Debian's main advantages over other distro's.
Your packages cause the APT database to think GNOME-related stuff is not installed, or is OLDER than Debian's (sometimes a mix of older AND newer). It's a messy problem.
The problem is magnified on Debian far worse than Red Hat (which also has the same problem), because it's easier to network-update Debian. When I ran Debian, I'd apt-get a couple times a day. I was an apt junkie;-)
OH, and the OTHER large problem with Ximian GNOME is it seems you install your own menu system. This plain STINKS when you have large numbers of GNOME apps installed... those shortcuts are GONE, unless you enable multiple GNOME menus off the "foot button". Grrr.
-Scott
BTW, this sentiment was first touched upon in the URL below. Moderators, please consider that post. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=39651&c id=4231 772
Great question! Viruses? Heh. OK, seriously...: DVD-Video creation.
From capture to encoding to muxing the bits together with navigation, and burning. There are many such tools available for Windows.
I know `dvdrtools` works at burning pure-data DVD's, but to burn DVD Video you have all these other steps before it, and the toolchain does not exist in Linux.
DVD Video is an area that will lag on Linux for a LOooong time? Why? Because the software comes FREE with DVD-Recorders, so there's an incentive to dual-boot. If you don't like that gratis authoring package, many people will (like it or not) grab DVD Maestro or something, off Gnutella or Kazaa networks.
So there is not enough DVD authoring on Linux: not for commercial packages (if there is even one DVD suite on Linux, it certainly ain't sub-$500), and not for the glory of being the first GPL toolchain. The specs are scarce, development is hard and it's too much for one developer looking to provide us with a solution, no matter how much glory there is in doing so. It's a brutal, team-based development project spanning several domains of expertise.
I'm glad to see this succeed, and I'd like to see this new type of "market" compete with both commercial software, and the pure-free stuff we already enjoy. The competition will give us what we need, and may the best team win!
RobotWisdom declared: I wish that when Slashdotters linked file-formats beyond the basic HTML or txt, they'd at least add a little warning of some kind, eg link [nasa.gov] [pdf] so people can choose whether to mess with it. (In my case, it just starts downloading and I have to specifically cancel it.)
Dude, I couldn't agree with you more. I don't know if the editors notice this thread, but if they do I replied for TWO reasons:
one, to lobby for a PDF link warning
TWO: alert the editors to MODERATOR ABUSE. Whoever moderated you as a "Troll" post clearly misused the system (if you are trolling, it's a subtle troll:-).
Offtopic, but I find it odd that I *never* am selected to moderate. Either moderation is denied when you max your karma (bug!), or the trolls themselves have reverse engineered the system to the point where they get the lion's share of moderation. Not that I get a boost from moderating or anything... just speculating the system may be broken.
>Linux needs ONE stable, flexible, powerful and good looking GUI
You mean we need a monopoly to make decisions for us?
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Grrr... can't read the article.
I know this will annoy KDE supporters to no end, but I always liked the KDE (Qt) widgets, but not necessarily the KDE desktop.
This is why even when I went through my "KDE phase", I ran almost 100% GNOME apps. GNOME apps seem to be much more developed and popular... perhaps at the expense of GNOME 1.x desktop development? The long incubation period of GNOME2 explains a lot...
I am running RH 7.4 B2. I know Beta 3 is out.
I find some things are broken in Beta 2, but GNOME2 is still a huge jump over GNOME 1.4 it isn't even funny. Remember that most GNOME users DON'T run XIMIAN (OK, this is a guess), so they've been stuck on this ancient GNOME1.x codebase that Red Hat never updated.
I know plenty of developers who use GTK 1.x out of licensing issues, when they openly admire Qt but can't touch it. I imagine the improvements in GTK might not erase all of those Qt advantages, but surely it will make a dent. GNOME2 in my opinion has leapfrogged people's expectations.
With a better widget set, and a better desktop infrastructure, we should really see some major Linux application development.
Now what we REALLY need is some friendly cooperation, like along the lines of look & feel, inter-desktop drag and drop, etc.
If you are the driver in a getaway car in a bank robbery, are you not a criminal too?
Interesting point
But in this case, I would say the "getaway car driver" is the webhosting firm in China.
A "getaway driver" is an active participant or conspirator in a crime. Is that what AT&T is?
I'd say the carrier ISP's are the *highway* (where have we head that term before:). Would you want to sue a road for something someone did on it?? It's totally illogical to sue the highway system because someone stole your car and drove on the highway with it.
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retailers for the Motorola VME boards? Good luck!
I would first search the ppcLinux email archives, then consider posting the question to the list. I know it's been a subject of much discussion there. I sold my G3 ages ago so I have not kept up on things in the PPC world.
If you are starting from scratch -- not using an old Mac -- what's the advantage?
I mean, sure, PPC might have a "cleaner" design but who gives a rats ass? The advantage of that is LOST when one considers that the compiler and library chain on Linux PPC is nowhere near as mature as on X86. Someone with more knowledge than myself could state why X86 gcc blows away the ppc port of gcc.
Personally, I liked PPC most because it was low-power and so needed less active cooling. But the new VIA miniboards with the VIA (Cyrix) chip are relatively cool itels also. Cool and quiet is nice for things like embedded MP3.
For a desktop, I don't see the value in PPC. Now maybe if Motorola and IBM woke up and LEVERAGED Linux as a "write once, complile & run anywhere' platform, but PPC chips are a small part of their business. Unlike Microsoft, Motorola has no "religion"... just look up the "anti- mother-company" threads where Motorola went on a witchhunt for anything "Motorolla Inside"... be it MacOS, or PPC NT. I don't mean now, because PPC NT4 is dead, but at one time it was supported.
The author should ask to ammend the question to include (or not) compatability with Mac PPC as a goal.
Can you buy Motorola motherboards and pop in a CPU? Sure.
That's it??
It would be more interesting to consider the "platform" as part of the question. Some would be exclusively interested in compliant hardware that runs MacOS. Others would just want something that runs Linux.
Uninstallers don't HAVE to uninstall anything. Uninstalling various spyware-infested Windows apps, often leave the spyware behind (duh...).
I wonder if Ad Aware detects this app?
>Patenting drugs is an example, they take considerable research and testing to develop, and their formulas should therefor be protected
Your point might be stronger if it weren't for the fact that biotech is HEAVILY subsidized by US tax dollars. Take your pick.. you got targeted tax breaks, direct government grants, near-free use of taxpayer Universities, and discounted student labor from said University/research labs.
A lot of this is people taking whatever they can get: "big government" is GOOD when it's handing out grants, and providing muscle to the courts supporting bad patents.
The system (which I support) is not operating anywhere near what the Founding Fathers set up the infrastructure for. Go figure.
Would a HOW-TO on copying the Lik-Sang mod chips be a violation of the DMCA??
That may be funny, but I'm serious.
Since the argument is against Lik Sang because they made a profit, what if these chips THEMSELVES were pirated?
Surely Lik Sang would lose out (sorry!), but if THEY can't sell the things, I think they'd have a difficult time prosecuting someone who sells their design at not-for-profit. Since they are off the market, copying the chips themselves is no longer more effort than it's worth...
Anyone get one of these chips and study them? Can the firmware be dumped to an image and burnt with a common EEPROM burner?
>Wow, thats even more hilarious than when it was posted (and modded to -1) just a number of posts ago!
>Good thing this was posted with a +1 bonus, LOL!
Sigh... I'm trying to be constructive here.. we we need a FAQ for the noobs. Here goes:
1) Slashdot is NOT realtime. I repeat Slashdot is NOT realtime.
Still confused? That means when I posted, there were NO posts to "copy" from, or make mine redundant.
2) What +1 bonus??
If your "non-coward" posts are as insulting as this, perhaps that's WHY all your posts default moderate to 1 (or 0)?
For me, using the "+1" would just unnecessarily bring my post to "3".
-Sleepy
Not hiding behind Anonymous. I've pegged my karma anyways which is probably why I can't moderate.
... and I thought it was the DMCA!
;-)
Whoops. Better write back to my Congressperson
>Besides, your (legal, of course) MP3s and Quake III Arena will sound much better with one!
How well does it work with il-legal MP3's? Has anyone tested this??
>No. The question was in two parts - the first about video cards, the second about deticated analog capture solutions. In fact, the reason I phrased it like that was in case there is a nice hardware analog to firewire solution that would be OS independant.
Oh. Then you want a RCA-to-Firewire bridge. You can get them at CompUSA or online for $150 up. They are basically realtime capture devices using a constant bitrate. I have no idea what the quality is, but I would doubt it's as clean as software-based multipass variable bitrate stuff.
Like you said though... the current Linux offerings are sub-par. Now you can GROW that market yourself by buying an inferior product, but who the hell wants to do that?
It will take a few years for Linux multimedia to gain traction. The special effects houses are ALREADY on Linux, but you're talking niche stuff that we can't afford. If you can't wait a few years, get a iMac or PC capture board.
>Or both of you could get a mac and realize this works flawlessly out of the box with no tweaking
;-)
Why bother with such a snide remark? You read the article; obviously I have a working setup and I am happy with it.
BTW -- this isn't 1995 anymore... x86 plug and play WORKS as good as on the Mac; sometimes BETTER. Don't believe me? Tell me how you get a external DVD-R recorder working on an iMac. The blinders that some Mac users wear.. it's just sad.
BTW, I had a G3 up until 2 years ago. The Mac has a chance of becoming the "best of" both Linux and Windows, but they'll never get the new titles without expanding the user base.
YEARS AWAY, but it's more likely that Linux will become more usable AND get the needed apps... before Apple gets their prices in line. Or maybe neither will happen.
For that matter, I'd like to do video editing at some point in the future (when I get a digital camcorder).
Video capture on Linux... from a "freebie" capture port on your video card??
Forget it man.
Video capture requires drivers AND applications. You buy a video card for Linux, and IF the manufacturer supports Linux, video drivers are all you get. ATI has drivers for Linux... but not even the 3D part. See what I mean?
The only way to get Linux capture drivers is to buy a dedicated capture card for Linux. That way you get what you paid for, with no "missing features" on the Linux side.
Besides, the way things improve and drop in price, you never want to buy this hardware BEFORE you are ready to begin using it.
Me? I have a MSI GeForce4 4400 (oc'd of course). Capture only works on Windows, but in a few years I expect Linux capture support to become a competitive feature... just like primitive driver support has become now.
I've used broadcast capture equipment, and while this capture port can be called a "toy", the MSI Video-In/Out port which handles uncompressed 720x480 fine (if your drive can not handle uncompressed YUV I sugest HuffYUV which is lossless compression).
Whatever you use, "realtime" MPEG compression sucks. It looks OK if you consider how hard your PC is working to do the job in software, but there's just no substitute for variable-bitrate multipass compression. CBR video creates fixed size files that are compromised everywhere... multipass VBR allows you to lower the "average" bitrate by 25%, AND give better quality (presuming you lower the bitrate floor and ceiling and have a good encoder).
I've transferred 8 hours of VHS to DVD so far. Did someone say Star Wars? I didn't. ;-)
With VHS, you shouldn't have to capture at 720x480 because of the limitations of VHS resolution on the VHS tape... you can get away with 360x480 (not a typo!) and then double the horizontal lines... a good capture card does this in hardware.
IF there's a way to use 360x480 on DVD and specify the aspect ratio as 8:3 (did I do that right?), you'd save a LOT of DVD space but I have not tested this. Until I figure that problem out, there's no advantage to capturing at this res... but it's worth mentioning if your hardware cannot keep up (you would have to stretch the video afterwards).
In short, dual boot... or fork out real cash for professional capture under Linux. You have a limited selection under Linux and will pay more until the market becomes more viable.
You'd also need to MASTER your DVD's under Windows. No authoring sw for Linux anywhere (AFAIK). Once you HAVE mastered your DVD, you CAN burn it under Linux using dvdrtools.
>Just ask for volunteers that are willing to give up their pay so that the company can afford to use Outlook.
That suggestion only works if YOU are the owner of the company, or are a CEO secure in your position.
You can't be one of the above because you read Slashdot. If you even work in IT (which I doubt), try pulling your attitude at any corporate environment.. your coworkers will start drawing straws for your cubicle before your suggestion even hits management.
I don't mind learning new mail clients, but most people have a herd mentality: they'll all get together and complain how "difficult" your new mail client is, and Accounting will cite "training costs".
Join the real world, bub.
>I would much rather just have a seperate application, nearly exactly like the KDE client, ported to windows.
You are smoking crack!!
(Not flamebait, moderators.. look at my post history).
Just TRY telling all your users they can't use Outlook. They AND YOUR BOSS will find every way possible to slow your project down, and make you look incompetent.
Don't bite off more than you can chew... leave the Windows users be... for now.
When everyone else is happy, and the ONLY reason the group is spending $300-$400 each person is JUST for Outlook, you'll have some support for mandating a new email client. Until then, keep your head DOWN and make sure most people are satisfied before moving to the NEXT big project.
Even in the government (if that's your case) you need "happy customers" or the controversy you generate will catch up to you someday...
>Wrong..
>You CAN build Konqueror out of KDE - there's a special version of Konqueror which doesn't even requires X! it's called KDENOX (KDE NO X)..
"special version" supports my point... one cannot take the basic package, and easily decouple the fluffy bits.
One can come up with (and there are) "special versions" of Mozilla also. It doesn't change the meaning of the arguement.
>>The Mozilla client would be very well integrated into the server, able to access web pages, email, and newsgroups, as well as LDAP contacts, scheduling, and other groupware features.
>Isn't this how we got into this mess in the first place? The OS needs, IE, which you can't remove, and Outlook requires IE, and everything is integrated into these two applications and their support subsystem. Look at the trouble it's given the Windows users.
True enough, but is that arguement supposed to support the KDE alternative approach? That comment applies equally to KDE, does it not?
Just TRY decoupling Konqueror from KDE... you can't even (EASILY) build KDE without all the theme stuff.
Personally, I think 70% of this is backend, desktop/OS-agnostic stuff... and should be worked out in a desktop-neutral manner. I'm not saying everything would be built with KDE dependencies, but it would not surprise me either.
We really need some cooperation and coordination between KDE & GNOME... I'm not putting forth the "one desktop" concept, but surely we can get cooperation on things like calendaring. If GNOME has a calendaring concept (Ximian's commercial Exchange plugin doesn't count), then all the open source folks should leverage what they have in common.
>>Eventually the prices will drop further since (I suspect) it's no more expensive to manufacture DVD-R than it is to make CD-R.
>This is what I'm waiting for. It shouldn't cost more based on capacity. The factor should be cost to produce and cover costs.
Don't expect this in the next 18 months... CD-R production volume is amazing, and will only increase as newbie users begin to appreciate "Mount Ranier" features which promise floppy-like ease of use.
DVD-Reader and DVD-R TOGETHER far lag just CD-R installations. Heck, I've got a DVD burner, and NOT all of my PC's (3) have a DVD drive yet. I suspect this is common.
Anyways, if you measure in what you pay now for CD media, plus your TIME managing them, DVD-R is "cheaper". This is more true if you work with a lot of big files.
-Scott
>DVD burners are available for about $200. That's less than most digital cameras period. Now they just need to bring down the price of media.
To what??? Where are you getting your media prices from.. RETAIL?
DVD-R holds 6.7x the data as a common CD-R *[1].
A DVD-R blank also (coincidentally.. no connection) costs about 7x what a blank CD-R costs *[2].
You can *always* find CD-R for cheaper. I have a stack of "free after rebate" CD's I only use as throwaways: when it's humid or I stack the discs, the reflective media PEELS off. That's right, the discount CD-R might not have a protective top layer. I haven't seen this cheap-ass design in the DVD-R world, yet.
Anyways, the prices for DVD-R seems VERY reasonable given the capacity. Eventually the prices will drop further since (I suspect) it's no more expensive to manufacture DVD-R than it is to make CD-R.
-Scott
A happy DVD-R owner.
*[1] CD-R holds 700Mb; DVD-R holds 4.7GB
*[2] DVD-R ~US$0.90/ea at supermediastore.com; CD-R ~US$0.15/ea anywhere.
> Ximian GNOME has a number of advantages over the standard desktop GNOME that comes with your distro.
;-)
.deb packages totally reduce one of Debian's main advantages over other distro's.
;-)
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Disclaimer: Ximian has a number of nice touches to GNOME that I really like. Standard GNOME2 kicks ass -- I'm using RH 8.0 beta -- so I'm anxious to see what you guys have done. I have some guesses as to what you've done to "enhance" GNOME2. I'll spare the possibility of being wrong by not stating my hunch.
The above is unnecessary fluff to protect against newbie moderators who mod tough questions as "troll". Now, on to my question:
Why the heck can't you guys work out your dependency conflicts with Debian???
I *know* you guys love Debian, and a lot of your coders use Debian, so this conflict I do not understand.
For those not running Debian, the problem is this: install Ximian on a Debian box, and you get circular dependency conflicts... making you feel like you have a RedHat box full of rpm's off Freshmeat. Debian puts a lot of work into their package management, and your
Your packages cause the APT database to think GNOME-related stuff is not installed, or is OLDER than Debian's (sometimes a mix of older AND newer). It's a messy problem.
The problem is magnified on Debian far worse than Red Hat (which also has the same problem), because it's easier to network-update Debian. When I ran Debian, I'd apt-get a couple times a day. I was an apt junkie
OH, and the OTHER large problem with Ximian GNOME is it seems you install your own menu system. This plain STINKS when you have large numbers of GNOME apps installed... those shortcuts are GONE, unless you enable multiple GNOME menus off the "foot button". Grrr.
-Scott
BTW, this sentiment was first touched upon in the URL below. Moderators, please consider that post.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=39651&
Great question! Viruses? Heh. OK, seriously...:
DVD-Video creation.
From capture to encoding to muxing the bits together with navigation, and burning. There are many such tools available for Windows.
I know `dvdrtools` works at burning pure-data DVD's, but to burn DVD Video you have all these other steps before it, and the toolchain does not exist in Linux.
DVD Video is an area that will lag on Linux for a LOooong time? Why? Because the software comes FREE with DVD-Recorders, so there's an incentive to dual-boot. If you don't like that gratis authoring package, many people will (like it or not) grab DVD Maestro or something, off Gnutella or Kazaa networks.
So there is not enough DVD authoring on Linux: not for commercial packages (if there is even one DVD suite on Linux, it certainly ain't sub-$500), and not for the glory of being the first GPL toolchain. The specs are scarce, development is hard and it's too much for one developer looking to provide us with a solution, no matter how much glory there is in doing so. It's a brutal, team-based development project spanning several domains of expertise.
I'm glad to see this succeed, and I'd like to see this new type of "market" compete with both commercial software, and the pure-free stuff we already enjoy. The competition will give us what we need, and may the best team win!
>The next big wars will be over space shipping lanes.
Nope. The next big wars will be fought over *water*, one of the most common substances on the planet.
RobotWisdom declared:
I wish that when Slashdotters linked file-formats beyond the basic HTML or txt, they'd at least add a little warning of some kind, eg link [nasa.gov] [pdf] so people can choose whether to mess with it. (In my case, it just starts downloading and I have to specifically cancel it.)
Dude, I couldn't agree with you more. I don't know if the editors notice this thread, but if they do I replied for TWO reasons:
one, to lobby for a PDF link warning
TWO: alert the editors to MODERATOR ABUSE. Whoever moderated you as a "Troll" post clearly misused the system (if you are trolling, it's a subtle troll :-).
Offtopic, but I find it odd that I *never* am selected to moderate. Either moderation is denied when you max your karma (bug!), or the trolls themselves have reverse engineered the system to the point where they get the lion's share of moderation. Not that I get a boost from moderating or anything... just speculating the system may be broken.
How do airlines survive without subsudies?
And so on.
I think TV will get annoying INLINE banner ads. That's all. Next question.
>Linux needs ONE stable, flexible, powerful and good looking GUI
You mean we need a monopoly to make decisions for us?
Grrr... can't read the article.
I know this will annoy KDE supporters to no end, but I always liked the KDE (Qt) widgets, but not necessarily the KDE desktop.
This is why even when I went through my "KDE phase", I ran almost 100% GNOME apps. GNOME apps seem to be much more developed and popular... perhaps at the expense of GNOME 1.x desktop development? The long incubation period of GNOME2 explains a lot...
I am running RH 7.4 B2. I know Beta 3 is out.
I find some things are broken in Beta 2, but GNOME2 is still a huge jump over GNOME 1.4 it isn't even funny. Remember that most GNOME users DON'T run XIMIAN (OK, this is a guess), so they've been stuck on this ancient GNOME1.x codebase that Red Hat never updated.
I know plenty of developers who use GTK 1.x out of licensing issues, when they openly admire Qt but can't touch it. I imagine the improvements in GTK might not erase all of those Qt advantages, but surely it will make a dent. GNOME2 in my opinion has leapfrogged people's expectations.
With a better widget set, and a better desktop infrastructure, we should really see some major Linux application development.
Now what we REALLY need is some friendly cooperation, like along the lines of look & feel, inter-desktop drag and drop, etc.
Interesting point
But in this case, I would say the "getaway car driver" is the webhosting firm in China. A "getaway driver" is an active participant or conspirator in a crime. Is that what AT&T is?
I'd say the carrier ISP's are the *highway* (where have we head that term before :). Would you want to sue a road for something someone did on it?? It's totally illogical to sue the highway system because someone stole your car and drove on the highway with it.
What is