Goto Alcatel's homepage and check it out. It seems Qwest is getting all the credit here. All they did was put some fiber in a tube and let Alcatel come over. From a technology standpoint Alcatel did all the work. The fiber is also important (way to go Lucent or Corning). BTW, this really doesn't mean a thing. Assuming you can buy a 40Gbs tomorrow (which you won't be able to). It can't use any fiber older then like 2 years, and even then it can only use a small percentage of that. This puts costs way up. As in not feasible. So for the moment a system like Nortel's 1.6Tb is more feasible and even then you have to be picky about the fiber.
Is there a definition of what digital is? Is serial digital? Dropping voltage levels between two states, is that digital? Is fiber optics digital? Light pulses = 0 or 1? Ethernet isn't digital? People use the word digital too freely, they usually mean the top layer, not what runs underneath which is analogue. BTW, I agree with you.
time-scales, new conecept for lawyers. If we keep census data locked up 100 years. Dog to human years is ruffly 7:1 ratio. So dog census data should be kept for what, 15 years? Ooooohh the logic....... So can someone tell me if this is how IT patents work? I am guessing no becasue it would make too much sense.
I have to agree with you, but.... At our university we have 10 Mbit to public internet, which costs $5000/month OC12 to research network. Government pays for that. Thats cheap as shit. So why are all these schools up in arms? They don't want to upgrade there networks. It might be Napster today, but tommorrow it will be some other legal high bandwidth protocol and they will still bitch, because they don't want to upgrade. Yes I know there is more to it then that, but thats basically what it boils down to. My 2 c.
I Quote: The machine was already stolen property when it was taken. Depending on who stole it, then your logic might even justify this theft as merely taking it back from the real thieves.
Now I don't know about the other two Enigma's but the one they used to crack the code first was not stolen. As everyone seems to think. I watched a U-boat program on the History channel today. The first one was 'taken' from a German U-boat in the North Atlantic. As in captured or dead. In war times when you capture the enemy you do not return there tanks to them. So if you still consider that theft then the U-boat people (Deutsche) better return the millions of tonnes of supplies they torpedoed. Does the Brits having the Enigma machine after the war violate the legal rules of war? I doubt it. So unless you want to argue the 10 commandments as legal.... There is an old rusty U-boat sitting on a pier in England. I believe they fixed it up and put it in a museum now. Should they return that?? Foolish arguement.......
Hmm thats funny I knew how to do both of those.(Along with everyone else reading this) I am just a physicst who does some programming as an "aside". Maybe we should let the CS grads do physics and the phycist's try CS for a few years:)
If its open-source like the web page says, why aren't I compiling it right now to get the thing running on linux? Can someone point me to the source code I seem to have missed it. I'm guessing I am not missing anything and the source code is not up, but....
At 10 gig per lambda we can put 160 (or so) wavelengths through on dispersion shifted fiber. At 40 gig per lambda we can put 40 (or so) wavelengths through on dispersion shifted fiber. I'm assuming using the 1550 window here. I'm sorry I can't rememeber more about the relation between modualtion speed and # of wavelengths. Higher speed you have shorter pulses, so I am guessing you need more space to pick out these individual pulses. Also you can only launch so much energy down a fiber. Remember the article says three spans, which basically means they do a optical/eletrical/optical every 100 km. Which is quite reasonable, but it would be more impressive if they went farther on a span. The whole key to this article is the fiber they used. I am guessing they engineered every meter of it to make sure they have as perfect of fiber as you can make today (minimize dispersion, etc.). In conclusion, just because they have done this doesn't really mean alot in the real world. It will be a few years until you can buy fiber that will consistently do these speeds. Unless your Qwest or someone you now have OC-192 speeds going over 15 year-old fiber, that is the majority of the fiber in the world. We need solutions for old fiber at the moment. Its expensive to dig-up peoples back-yards.
So what are you saying? You have a really long pole and you move it. The other end moves "instantly" and thus you have transmitted information at faster then the speed of light? No. Poles are made of atoms. There are attractive forces between these atoms. Poles have lattice structure. The tug has to propigate along and individual atoms do not go faster then light.
So does the previous problem: "modeling of a universe" scale or do you have to break the problem up into 10 smaller universes if you had 10 controllers?
Mozilla might be getting close for some people, not for me. It still has a long way to go. Netscape will crash about once an hour for me when I am doing heavy web browsing. My longest Mozilla uptime is 5 minutes. No joke. Slashdot is the only site I can use with it. www.deja.com main page crashes it right away. I'm sorry, but Mozilla isn't useable for me. I remember the early Netscape betas years ago and they wer not this unstable. And yes I submit bug reports. I wish all the mozilla developers good luck, but its a long road ahead to the point where Netscape is replaced.
Coudn't agree more...especially if you do math, so much better then word. Even for just writing a letter, just use the letter template and its done before word has started. Word has templates but it always screws up where to put stuff.
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1600x1200x24x60/8=345.6 MB/s. Its going to have to wait for USB3.0 I guess. The question is what is more effort: A little more design with the USB 3.0 standard or one less different cable for the end users. Video card makers could make more efficient use of the bandwidth where they only peak at that number, just send the information that changes fron frame to frame, kind of MPEGish, but without the blocks. The reason I am also pushing this is to only get the stores to sell one type of cable. The 4$ cables they sell for $35 because the pins are gold plated, give me a break. With one type of cable, price gouging would almost surely go away.
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Ok here goes: I have a USB mouse. I have a USB printer. We are supposedly going to flat screens with digital video cards. So we may as well make that a USB port too. Another USB cable carrying digital sound to your subs/speakers. A USB joystick. A USB keyboard. So whats that leave. RJ45 net connection and a phone line. I can't see those changing anytime soon. So really why can't we have a whole shit load of USB ports and an RJ45 and RJ11, isn't that all that is needed? Two standards, RJ and USB, sounds good to me. Its probably just a matter of time.... For the technically inclined out there, USB for video is the only weakness I see, if you have guranteed sufficient bandwidth and a digital signal there is no reason it shouldn't work?
Upgrade away, this should be a very stable release seeing as Blackdown doesn't seem to relaese flaky code. The betas were very stable and I have been happily developing with them for quite a while. Now onto java 1.3, 3 or whatever it will be called:)
Others have said it... WATCH THE MOVIE! And as for Canadians being made fun of... Americans are made fun of... Germans are made fun of.. Scottish are made fun of... Have you not noticed this in your worldly travels? The whole world doesn't make fun of your country (mine too). And I'll say it again, watch the movie, it doesn't make fun of Canada, from my point of view. If anything it's America pointing fun at itself and needing something to comapre too.
This might be a dumb question, but would it have anything to do with english not being the primary language? Basically the rules here (Canada) are swear/ass/tits all you want on TV as long as there is some sort of reason (culture/news/etc). This stuff is usually on after 8 or 9pm. When I watched woodstock 99 on TV, they would flip back and forth from censored to non-censored views of the same topless girl, go figure. (american cameras?) French culture here is very liberal, pretty much the same as Europe, anything goes...........
1083 now:) This is insane. Well Trolls have finally got my attention. Now what do we all do about it? allow one IP to post only so many comments in a 2 minute period??????
I'm just curious. From reading your post I gather that Toronto (and Hamilton from the reply) don't have ADSL or Cable. Is this true? And if so, what kind of run around has Bell and the cable companies given? availability etc. Wireless seems to be the answer for rural southern ontario where it's relatively flat and a microwave internet antenna could be installed on every cell tower.
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I haven't looked much at this game, but if its as good as Elite was......many anight wasted on the Amiga 500. or was that Elite II?
Goto Alcatel's homepage and check it out. It seems Qwest is getting all the credit here. All they did was put some fiber in a tube and let Alcatel come over. From a technology standpoint Alcatel did all the work. The fiber is also important (way to go Lucent or Corning).
BTW, this really doesn't mean a thing. Assuming you can buy a 40Gbs tomorrow (which you won't be able to). It can't use any fiber older then like 2 years, and even then it can only use a small percentage of that. This puts costs way up. As in not feasible.
So for the moment a system like Nortel's 1.6Tb is more feasible and even then you have to be picky about the fiber.
You goto Anritsu and buy a pattern generator thats 10 Gb. Get four of them and multiplex it on the same line.
Is there a definition of what digital is? Is serial digital? Dropping voltage levels between two states, is that digital?
Is fiber optics digital? Light pulses = 0 or 1?
Ethernet isn't digital?
People use the word digital too freely, they usually mean the top layer, not what runs underneath which is analogue.
BTW, I agree with you.
time-scales, new conecept for lawyers.
If we keep census data locked up 100 years.
Dog to human years is ruffly 7:1 ratio. So dog census data should be kept for what, 15 years?
Ooooohh the logic.......
So can someone tell me if this is how IT patents work? I am guessing no becasue it would make too much sense.
I have to agree with you, but.... /month
At our university we have 10 Mbit to public internet, which costs $5000
OC12 to research network. Government pays for that.
Thats cheap as shit. So why are all these schools up in arms? They don't want to upgrade there networks. It might be Napster today, but tommorrow it will be some other legal high bandwidth protocol and they will still bitch, because they don't want to upgrade.
Yes I know there is more to it then that, but thats basically what it boils down to. My 2 c.
I Quote:
The machine was already stolen property when it was taken. Depending on who stole it, then your logic might even justify this theft as merely taking it back from the real thieves.
Now I don't know about the other two Enigma's but the one they used to crack the code first was not stolen. As everyone seems to think.
I watched a U-boat program on the History channel today. The first one was 'taken' from a German U-boat in the North Atlantic. As in captured or dead. In war times when you capture the enemy you do not return there tanks to them.
So if you still consider that theft then the U-boat people (Deutsche) better return the millions of tonnes of supplies they torpedoed.
Does the Brits having the Enigma machine after the war violate the legal rules of war? I doubt it. So unless you want to argue the 10 commandments as legal....
There is an old rusty U-boat sitting on a pier in England. I believe they fixed it up and put it in a museum now. Should they return that??
Foolish arguement.......
Hmm thats funny I knew how to do both of those.(Along with everyone else reading this) I am just a physicst who does some programming as an "aside". Maybe we should let the CS grads do physics and the phycist's try CS for a few years :)
thanks.
If its open-source like the web page says, why aren't I compiling it right now to get the thing running on linux? Can someone point me to the source code I seem to have missed it.
I'm guessing I am not missing anything and the source code is not up, but....
At 10 gig per lambda we can put 160 (or so) wavelengths through on dispersion shifted fiber.
At 40 gig per lambda we can put 40 (or so) wavelengths through on dispersion shifted fiber.
I'm assuming using the 1550 window here.
I'm sorry I can't rememeber more about the relation between modualtion speed and # of wavelengths. Higher speed you have shorter pulses, so I am guessing you need more space to pick out these individual pulses. Also you can only launch so much energy down a fiber.
Remember the article says three spans, which basically means they do a optical/eletrical/optical every 100 km. Which is quite reasonable, but it would be more impressive if they went farther on a span.
The whole key to this article is the fiber they used. I am guessing they engineered every meter of it to make sure they have as perfect of fiber as you can make today (minimize dispersion, etc.).
In conclusion, just because they have done this doesn't really mean alot in the real world. It will be a few years until you can buy fiber that will consistently do these speeds. Unless your Qwest or someone you now have OC-192 speeds going over 15 year-old fiber, that is the majority of the fiber in the world. We need solutions for old fiber at the moment. Its expensive to dig-up peoples back-yards.
Buy the wide screen and turn it 90 degrees. Some desktop publishing monitors are this way. I believe all that is needed is a Xfree driver option?
So what are you saying?
You have a really long pole and you move it. The other end moves "instantly" and thus you have transmitted information at faster then the speed of light?
No.
Poles are made of atoms. There are attractive forces between these atoms. Poles have lattice structure. The tug has to propigate along and individual atoms do not go faster then light.
So does the previous problem: "modeling of a universe" scale or do you have to break the problem up into 10 smaller universes if you had 10 controllers?
enjoy 10 Mbit
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Mozilla might be getting close for some people, not for me.
It still has a long way to go. Netscape will crash about once an hour for me when I am doing heavy web browsing.
My longest Mozilla uptime is 5 minutes. No joke. Slashdot is the only site I can use with it. www.deja.com main page crashes it right away.
I'm sorry, but Mozilla isn't useable for me. I remember the early Netscape betas years ago and they wer not this unstable.
And yes I submit bug reports.
I wish all the mozilla developers good luck, but its a long road ahead to the point where Netscape is replaced.
Coudn't agree more...especially if you do math, so much better then word.
Even for just writing a letter, just use the letter template and its done before word has started. Word has templates but it always screws up where to put stuff.
1600x1200x24x60/8=345.6 MB/s.
Its going to have to wait for USB3.0 I guess. The question is what is more effort: A little more design with the USB 3.0 standard or one less different cable for the end users.
Video card makers could make more efficient use of the bandwidth where they only peak at that number, just send the information that changes fron frame to frame, kind of MPEGish, but without the blocks.
The reason I am also pushing this is to only get the stores to sell one type of cable. The 4$ cables they sell for $35 because the pins are gold plated, give me a break. With one type of cable, price gouging would almost surely go away.
Ok here goes:
I have a USB mouse.
I have a USB printer.
We are supposedly going to flat screens with digital video cards. So we may as well make that a USB port too.
Another USB cable carrying digital sound to your subs/speakers.
A USB joystick.
A USB keyboard.
So whats that leave. RJ45 net connection and a phone line. I can't see those changing anytime soon.
So really why can't we have a whole shit load of USB ports and an RJ45 and RJ11, isn't that all that is needed? Two standards, RJ and USB, sounds good to me. Its probably just a matter of time....
For the technically inclined out there, USB for video is the only weakness I see, if you have guranteed sufficient bandwidth and a digital signal there is no reason it shouldn't work?
Your right, I stand corrected. The headlines gave me a different impression. I guess I should have grabbed the tar ball first.
Upgrade away, this should be a very stable release seeing as Blackdown doesn't seem to relaese flaky code. The betas were very stable and I have been happily developing with them for quite a while. :)
Now onto java 1.3, 3 or whatever it will be called
Others have said it... WATCH THE MOVIE!
And as for Canadians being made fun of... Americans are made fun of... Germans are made fun of.. Scottish are made fun of... Have you not noticed this in your worldly travels? The whole world doesn't make fun of your country (mine too).
And I'll say it again, watch the movie, it doesn't make fun of Canada, from my point of view. If anything it's America pointing fun at itself and needing something to comapre too.
This might be a dumb question, but would it have anything to do with english not being the primary language?
Basically the rules here (Canada) are swear/ass/tits all you want on TV as long as there is some sort of reason (culture/news/etc). This stuff is usually on after 8 or 9pm.
When I watched woodstock 99 on TV, they would flip back and forth from censored to non-censored views of the same topless girl, go figure. (american cameras?)
French culture here is very liberal, pretty much the same as Europe, anything goes...........
1083 now :)
This is insane. Well Trolls have finally got my attention. Now what do we all do about it?
allow one IP to post only so many comments in a 2 minute period??????
I'm just curious. From reading your post I gather that Toronto (and Hamilton from the reply) don't have ADSL or Cable. Is this true?
And if so, what kind of run around has Bell and the cable companies given? availability etc.
Wireless seems to be the answer for rural southern ontario where it's relatively flat and a microwave internet antenna could be installed on every cell tower.