Are you on crack? MS absolutely wants people to develop for their platform. The more software that exists for Windows, the deeper entrenched it becomes in the market place.
Maybe that's why they make all their development tools for free save for Visual Studio which is an impressive piece of software and the majority of people agree to that, even people who despise Windows and MS.
Maybe that's why they spend so much time making sure new versions of the OS are completely backwards compatible with older products to the point of putting in program specific hacks in their code to ensure that program works properly.
Maybe that's why they produce DirectX. To allow developers to build programs using those libraries...that will then run on their OS.
Don't want you writing stuff for your own benefit? Quit pulling "facts" out of your ass and quoting them as if it's knowledge. MS doesn't want to provide every solution possible for *you*. They want to produce large solutions for businesses that will generate more licences for...their OS. What you do, don't kid yourself, MS could probably give a crap about. But keep believing that "the man" has fiber optic taps in your basement and is spying on you hoping for the next great idea. Just don't hold your breath on it. Unless you really want to.
So I'm trying to wrap my brain around why a letter from 1994 related to the Clinton excise tax which ask for help from Philipp Morris in funding a campaign aimed at promoting public awareness about it has anything to do with the Ken Brown issue. Other than the company name I mean.
I haven't been able to do it yet. Maybe someone can help me out? Maybe one of the mods who modded it informative?
I'm not looking to get into an argument on the semantics of "cryptic". I'm just pointing out that basically to anyone just starting out, it'll be cryptic. Even to myself (admittedly I'm not an advanced linux user) some stuff still makes me scratch my head. Whether they had reason or not doesn't make it less cryptic.
"what, you think the original designers just pulled random strings out of their arses to piss people off?"
All except for the "piss people off" part;)
And as another poster pointed out in response to my comment, most command line programs now have long versions of their options. Why didn't they have these in the first place then?
is NOT cryptic? Cryptic generally refers to shorthand style notations and anything that isn't readily identifiable. dictionary.com says "Having hidden meaning; mystifying". I think all of those can apply to that command and the majority of commands that make up linux/unix.
Disclaimer: No, that example wasn't off the top of my head, I looked up some options to wget. Why wget, b/c I was playing with it the other day. No, I don't care if there are mistakes in the above example. No, you're not proving you're smarter by pointing any out. No, taking my post and turning it into an M$ bash is not acceptable behaviour b/c the above has nothing to do with that particular company.
"On my tinfoil-hat days, I start thinking about how we might want to look closer at everything we classify as 'reptile' and make sure we aren't mistaken."
You think it's a conspiracy that "dinosaurs" went extinct and "reptiles" survived? Is your "tinfoil hat" shaped like a cone? Does it have the letters D-U-N-C-E written on it? You might want to check on that.
Pretty sure it was meant as a play on the quote "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to death your right to say it"
Don't recall off the top of my head who said it and a search is just too time-consuming so instead I'll type at length about why I couldn't find out who said it b/c of time constraints and what not. I feel it works out much better this way.
So when are they and when are they not allowed to stick their nose in others business. That aids is epidemic in Africa has nothing to do with the States so why should they do something about it? Maybe send some pamphlets on safe sex I guess.
"Well basically I think some new application that couples FTP or similar protocol to email in a way transparent to the user would be nice."
Say something like having the attachment be encoded right into the email...
Maybe I'm missing something here in what exactly you're thinking. It seems like you would rather mail servers set up an ftp server and there be a way for users to interact with this server, without knowing it's an ftp server, to get their attachments. This will apparently decrease mail server load. I'm not sure how it would do that since the user would still be accessing the attachment at some point.
"The most obvious would be waiting for such an attachment before downloading the rest of your mail."
That's about the only part of this that makes sense to me. Maybe that was the whole point?
Grandparent is just another in a long line of knee-jerk reactors ever so present not only on/. but in the world nowadays. Everything that happens is an excuse for them to raise an alarm so they can appear smart. I find it best to smile and nod as my brain is going "Won't this person please shut up. If they don't I just might jab this pen into my eyeball so at least I won't have to look at them while they're talking"
So everybody is supposed to set up an ftp server on their machine to serve out a file. Yes, 30MB is a huge attachment but it keeps the message intended to go with the file tied together nicely with the file. I'd hate to receive a 30MB file in an email but I can see where it can be useful from time to time especially in a business setting.
Well since MS used the BSD stack (I believe) then yes, I bet other stacks have "fallen for it". But try looking a bit harder next time to blame an overall architecture flaw on Microsoft.
It's like Six Degrees of Separation from Kevin Bacon isn't it? This must be the new hi-tech version. One Degree of Separation between MS and any Technology Problem. I think the shortened form for that name is/.
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Are you on crack? MS absolutely wants people to develop for their platform. The more software that exists for Windows, the deeper entrenched it becomes in the market place.
Maybe that's why they make all their development tools for free save for Visual Studio which is an impressive piece of software and the majority of people agree to that, even people who despise Windows and MS.
Maybe that's why they spend so much time making sure new versions of the OS are completely backwards compatible with older products to the point of putting in program specific hacks in their code to ensure that program works properly.
Maybe that's why they produce DirectX. To allow developers to build programs using those libraries...that will then run on their OS.
Don't want you writing stuff for your own benefit? Quit pulling "facts" out of your ass and quoting them as if it's knowledge. MS doesn't want to provide every solution possible for *you*. They want to produce large solutions for businesses that will generate more licences for...their OS. What you do, don't kid yourself, MS could probably give a crap about. But keep believing that "the man" has fiber optic taps in your basement and is spying on you hoping for the next great idea. Just don't hold your breath on it. Unless you really want to.
Windows scrollbars and widgets
A little annoying I'll give you that but would hardly keep me from using the OS. I honestly never have a problem with this.
Windows focus policies
You can change this now so focus follows the cursor.
Applications
Hardly the fault of the OS now is it?
Maybe you need to take some tai-chi or something and not let this sort of stuff bother you
So I'm trying to wrap my brain around why a letter from 1994 related to the Clinton excise tax which ask for help from Philipp Morris in funding a campaign aimed at promoting public awareness about it has anything to do with the Ken Brown issue. Other than the company name I mean.
I haven't been able to do it yet. Maybe someone can help me out? Maybe one of the mods who modded it informative?
*GONG* Next contestant please!
I'm not looking to get into an argument on the semantics of "cryptic". I'm just pointing out that basically to anyone just starting out, it'll be cryptic. Even to myself (admittedly I'm not an advanced linux user) some stuff still makes me scratch my head. Whether they had reason or not doesn't make it less cryptic.
;)
"what, you think the original designers just pulled random strings out of their arses to piss people off?"
All except for the "piss people off" part
And as another poster pointed out in response to my comment, most command line programs now have long versions of their options. Why didn't they have these in the first place then?
So you're saying that
wget -nc -x --html-extension -r --level=5 -k -p
is NOT cryptic? Cryptic generally refers to shorthand style notations and anything that isn't readily identifiable. dictionary.com says "Having hidden meaning; mystifying". I think all of those can apply to that command and the majority of commands that make up linux/unix.
Disclaimer:
No, that example wasn't off the top of my head, I looked up some options to wget. Why wget, b/c I was playing with it the other day.
No, I don't care if there are mistakes in the above example.
No, you're not proving you're smarter by pointing any out.
No, taking my post and turning it into an M$ bash is not acceptable behaviour b/c the above has nothing to do with that particular company.
I'm even tired of hearing anecdotal evidence
It's so lame you can't help but laugh :)
It isn't. The bill doesn't. Don't trust the headlines on slashdot.
"On my tinfoil-hat days, I start thinking about how we might want to look closer at everything we classify as 'reptile' and make sure we aren't mistaken."
You think it's a conspiracy that "dinosaurs" went extinct and "reptiles" survived? Is your "tinfoil hat" shaped like a cone? Does it have the letters D-U-N-C-E written on it? You might want to check on that.
because that's stupid
Well I mean, that was just a stupid idea. Anything taken to the extreme can be bad, not just energy drinks.
"don't tell me that stuff doesn't have an effect."
Well of course it does when you take down 6 in a row. For some people, just one of them doesn't have a noticeable effect.
He's one of the ones helping uncover those bugs get fixed for the next release build
Nice! But conspiracy theories only go when it's the big guy doing the conspiring, not the little guy. Didn't you know? :)
"and we do not know how many undetected bugs are in commercial software."
;)
Nor do we know how many undetected bugs there are in open-source software. I guess that's why they are...undetected
Just b/c you haven't flamebaited or trolled yet doesn't mean you never will :D
Pretty sure it was meant as a play on the quote "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to death your right to say it"
Don't recall off the top of my head who said it and a search is just too time-consuming so instead I'll type at length about why I couldn't find out who said it b/c of time constraints and what not. I feel it works out much better this way.
So when are they and when are they not allowed to stick their nose in others business. That aids is epidemic in Africa has nothing to do with the States so why should they do something about it? Maybe send some pamphlets on safe sex I guess.
Hi, my name is "Paragraph". Please feel free to take advantage of my services next time you feel like making a post.
"It shouldn't be difficult to counter the spin when the facts are on your side."
Are you sure about that? Facts generally get overridden by whoever is yelling the loudest.
Wow. You were right. You couldn't say it better yourself.
"Well basically I think some new application that couples FTP or similar protocol to email in a way transparent to the user would be nice."
Say something like having the attachment be encoded right into the email...
Maybe I'm missing something here in what exactly you're thinking. It seems like you would rather mail servers set up an ftp server and there be a way for users to interact with this server, without knowing it's an ftp server, to get their attachments. This will apparently decrease mail server load. I'm not sure how it would do that since the user would still be accessing the attachment at some point.
"The most obvious would be waiting for such an attachment before downloading the rest of your mail."
That's about the only part of this that makes sense to me. Maybe that was the whole point?
Grandparent is just another in a long line of knee-jerk reactors ever so present not only on /. but in the world nowadays. Everything that happens is an excuse for them to raise an alarm so they can appear smart. I find it best to smile and nod as my brain is going "Won't this person please shut up. If they don't I just might jab this pen into my eyeball so at least I won't have to look at them while they're talking"
So everybody is supposed to set up an ftp server on their machine to serve out a file. Yes, 30MB is a huge attachment but it keeps the message intended to go with the file tied together nicely with the file. I'd hate to receive a 30MB file in an email but I can see where it can be useful from time to time especially in a business setting.
Well since MS used the BSD stack (I believe) then yes, I bet other stacks have "fallen for it". But try looking a bit harder next time to blame an overall architecture flaw on Microsoft.
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It's like Six Degrees of Separation from Kevin Bacon isn't it? This must be the new hi-tech version. One Degree of Separation between MS and any Technology Problem. I think the shortened form for that name is