you are making the assumption that someone only has a single computer connected to this link.
The averge geek home has between 1 to 3 computers devices, add in the support for ondemand TV over that internet link, and well, you can start to eat up a good amount of bandwidth.
Now imagine someone with a big or extended family.
I am not saying that any family would be able to saturate a 40Gbps link, but this link would probably not be the norm for any family for a while.
Since no one here has yet to mention the nightmare that security can be in a windows TS system, I will go ahead and let you know. If you care anything about security you will be paying some good money to citrix for their reporting tools that keep track of what apps which users run and such.
The main issue is that when you have multiple end users coming from the same ip address (the TS) online fraud tracking can be almost impossible if the user hides their tracks. what do i mean? Lets say you have 10 users all running firefox, at the same time, then one of them uses a customers credit card to buy stuff from some online store. How do you find that user? well, hopefully the online store has some good logs to help you (yeah right), otherwise you are going to be search browser history and cookie data to see which user went to that site. If the user is smart they will purge their data in such a way that only that entry is no longer in their privacy data. Your only option is to setup a proxy which requires authentication per user and has damn good logging enabled.
Another issue is trying to lock down the TS. It can be done, but it takes a long time to get the right balance of security and usability for all the applications that your users will need to run. God help you when you get applications that refuse to install, or requires stupid permissions to run.
In the end I found that TS works for general users that use a defined set of applications. In a perfect world these applications would be restricted to: - simple office documents - limited external websites (you better be using a secure proxy) - web based internal applications (you better have strong authentication and good audit trails)
rackmountpro! they are best place to get server stuff, and they treat their customers good. I have purchased a decent amount of stuff from them over the years, and its a joy. here is the exact link for what you want:
http://www.rackmountpro.com/productpage.php?prod id =2135
that is your fault. if you do not have at least one cron job setup to get the status of your raid on a daily basis, you deserve whatever happens to your system. its not that hard a thing to setup monitoring scripts in cron that run once a day and give you important system information.
i would have to partialy agree with you, the ipod interface is very sweet, and the size is great, but when it comes down to it, i choose the archos models over any others any day, it works as a usb hard drive on ANY os! i just have to plus it into my linux box, and mount it, and its done. on windows you have to get drivers, on the mac (not os X) it will automagicaly download and install then mount the device for you, which is also pretty sweet. plus archos is coming out with a new model that is so good i cant believe it! just go to their site and look at what they have lined up.
i like to call it "mymap" but seriously, i wanted the same things, so i am currently using using a mysql database, a python agent to retrieve the mail from the pop3 server and store it in the db, and a php based webinterface to view it. vfolders are the goodest. each folder is just a series of sql queries into the message table or even into other vfolders! so the possiblity is endless. the only reason i made a web client first is that its a faster way to develope a usable interface to try out the design to see what works and what dont. i have a screenshot up, if you want to see what it looks like.
usually an ISDN line is treated as a business service. You get prompt weeked/holiday response. cost of the line can range anywhere from 40 to 80 a month from the telco. not counting the cost of the isp service which i am sure you could get your company to pay for.
It would be nice if the editor showed which products he compared, and why the others did not get the award. and as far as the "Office Application
" section goes, was he only comparing word processors? what about gnumeric? gnumeric 0.75 is at a point right now where its so sweet, it makes your teeth hurt. and did he even try galeon. as far as the browsing experience goes, its my opinion that galeon is much better designed to be a web browser.
i wonder what happens if you mix an explosive chemical with your gasoline and put it in your gastank, then start your engine... wait, i am sure it checks the chemical properties first!
the fact of the matter is that it is possible to design something to test for every possible situation, however the more complex a system becomes the more complex your testing will also become, then there comes a point when more than 50% of your code is there for testing! Thats all well and good, but if you are writing code for free, and your basic goal is to just get something accomplished, you are going to put in pretty much only as much testing as you "think" you need, unless you got some sick fetish with exception handeling.
Okay, as a few people above have mentioned, the author fails to compare similar technologies. He is using a (unix: thin client/server) to a (windows desktop + server) situation. Whate he fails to take into consideration is that there is a windows thin client/server solution also.
With that being said, i dont advocate any company going a "one way only" solution. any company that fails to examine what there needs are before they invest money into a "solution" is a pretty bad situation.
Since i have experience in this field, i think i am qualified to give an example of how this should be approached.
In most companies, no more than 5% of the employees (including management) uses the full resources of their computer for more than 30% of their work day. The average user would spike the machine for short periods of time over short periods of times. There are few positions where this is not the normal situation, and you also have to account for this.
With average users on a dual PIII 800MHz with 512MB of ram, you can handle 20 users safely, the real bottleneck is memory and disk speed. If the server is upgraded to 4GB and switched to a 9GB fast scsi drive, the user count can be increased to 40 users. push those cpus over to dual athlons 1.X GHz and you can probably get 50 users per server. This box will not cost you that much. If your users are going to have a few users who will be doing heavy cpu intense activities, you can balance them over different servers so that no one server will have multiple heavy users at the same time. In a college situation this is perfect since you dont have everyone trying to use the resources at the same time of day (as opposed to a company where you get spikes at the same time.)
You can also use these servers to run X and reduce some of your cost on licenses, especialy if some of your employees only use web based tools and light office applications. For the few users who will need standalone pcs, you can let them have it. You can then use very thin client machines for the rest. These start from $200 without a monitor. With the use of some of citrixs products and some custom scripts/tools, you can run a pretty tight ship, and have the best of both worlds, while reducing cost and improving productivity.
Anyone who claims that you can't implement a terminal server solution that can be self maintaining and stable doesnt know as much as they claim. My belief is that if you have to have employees using windows, then you really want to get them on a terminal server solution. Some of the major reason, are:
- reduced end user interaction (the end user can call you, and you can either fix the problem remotly, or shadow their session and see what they are doing and try to resolve it)
- security (you can enforce policies in an easier manner)
- accountability (management can see what users are doing, and where productivity is being lost)
- upgrades are transparent to the end users
the few downsides to a terminal server solution are:
- you have to plan it out right, if you dont, it will blow up in your face and cost you way more than you intended to spend.
- you need to get competent, experienced admins who know what they are doing.
- there can be a larger cost software wise initialy, but the benifits over time are worth it.
- you need management that understand what the technology can and cant do, and know when to let the admins make the right decisions, as opposed to telling them what the decision is and then have them try to implement it.
yep, wired is stupid. If someone is stupid enough to not read ALL the information in a security message, then they deserve whatever they get. I am not a MS supporter, but they clearly stated that IE 5.01 SP1 and IE 5.5 SP1 are the ONLY two versions the patch can be installed on. They even show you how to find out what version of IE you are using, and how to see if the patch was applied sucessfully. It cant be any easier than that.
umm, i can get a working copy of linux running on a floppy no prob.
ill be damned if i can get a working install of windows (THAT CAN GET ME ON THE NET!) on less than a 100mb hd!, matter of fact, if you want to be able to do anything, count on 200mb or more
Has anyone seen DigitalConvergence's cuecat commercials? Well, it cant be called a commercial, more like an infomercial, or a "brainwashing program." One of the parts that makes me just laugh is where the dumb guy can't believe that the cuecat will replace all the pieces of paper he has around his computer with web address on it! Okay, what sort of a moron keeps urls on paper?!? who need bookmarks when you have paper! "now you can stop recording your urls on paper and use the cuecat to access your sites..."
Now, for the real shit about the cuecat that just pisses me off (besides a certain person who works at DC) lets say, i want to look up information on quantum theory? what do i do? let me guess, do i use the cue cat to scan a light particle that has a barcod eon it? i think not. This thing is so fucking useless that its not even funny. over 90% of the time that anyone i know is lokking for information on the internet, they are not looking for a single product specific thing (not including drivers/manuals/software for hardware). I mean, why would you want to go to pepsi's web site? The only valid uses i can see for cue cats, is in magazines and newspaper. Why? so that you can access information about the person who wrote the article, to see what else they have written, or for a digital copy of the article, or even for other articles from past issues relating to this article. sort of like an embeded hyperlink system for printed media. In books it would be cool also if author is discussing a topic and wants to provide references to online information.
What is it with people wanting to make sites for their own so called "minorities?"
Why should their be a "Geek girl site?"
I am not saying that there shouldn't be one, what i am saying is that i can never understand the mentality of people who decide that their group are not well represented, and therefore they strike out on their own (this is kinda funny since slashdot is a site for geeks). Maybe i don't know what i am talking about, maybe there should be a geek site for girls, and one for blacks... and maybe even one for black girls!
I don't know anymore, these are some troubling times...
(oh and if you have a problem with me, i am not sexist or racist, heck i know women... my mom is one! and i know blacks... i see them on tv all the time )
You must be one lame admin if you have a production box running on a OS just released in under a month! If i were your boss you would be fired! Second of all, when you install an OS, You should know to look and see what services are running on it, its just fricking common knowledge.
Don't give me the crap about you didn't know, if you didn't know, you should not be using it. You do not jump into a jet fighter and try to fly it without knowing how to use it. So why would you do that to an OS?
Its folks like you who get their boxes rooted, then bitch about "insecure" OS
When last you installed Internet Explorer, or Media Player? Heck almost any "major" MS applications have lots of files that are different depending on which OS you are installing it on. I don't see Media Player 7.0 for NT 4.0 do i?
Look at Abit with the BP6, its the most popular motherboard they ever sold! there are entire websites dedicated to it. And dude to that, they have recently released the VP6, which looks to be another sweet dual cpu board. And with the specs that bad boy has... i don't think they will have ANY problems selling it:)
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Would they ban a movie displaying the same content?
you are making the assumption that someone only has a single computer connected to this link.
The averge geek home has between 1 to 3 computers devices, add in the support for ondemand TV over that internet link, and well, you can start to eat up a good amount of bandwidth.
Now imagine someone with a big or extended family.
I am not saying that any family would be able to saturate a 40Gbps link, but this link would probably not be the norm for any family for a while.
Since no one here has yet to mention the nightmare that security can be in a windows TS system, I will go ahead and let you know. If you care anything about security you will be paying some good money to citrix for their reporting tools that keep track of what apps which users run and such.
The main issue is that when you have multiple end users coming from the same ip address (the TS) online fraud tracking can be almost impossible if the user hides their tracks.
what do i mean?
Lets say you have 10 users all running firefox, at the same time, then one of them uses a customers credit card to buy stuff from some online store. How do you find that user? well, hopefully the online store has some good logs to help you (yeah right), otherwise you are going to be search browser history and cookie data to see which user went to that site. If the user is smart they will purge their data in such a way that only that entry is no longer in their privacy data.
Your only option is to setup a proxy which requires authentication per user and has damn good logging enabled.
Another issue is trying to lock down the TS. It can be done, but it takes a long time to get the right balance of security and usability for all the applications that your users will need to run. God help you when you get applications that refuse to install, or requires stupid permissions to run.
In the end I found that TS works for general users that use a defined set of applications.
In a perfect world these applications would be restricted to:
- simple office documents
- limited external websites (you better be using a secure proxy)
- web based internal applications (you better have strong authentication and good audit trails)
you need to speak with your shipping company.
They do this for a living. They should be able to give you all the information you need.
rackmountpro! they are best place to get server stuff, and they treat their customers good. I have purchased a decent amount of stuff from them over the years, and its a joy.
d id =2135
here is the exact link for what you want:
http://www.rackmountpro.com/productpage.php?pro
am i the only one who thought that some had a rail gun!
that is your fault. if you do not have at least one cron job setup to get the status of your raid on a daily basis, you deserve whatever happens to your system. its not that hard a thing to setup monitoring scripts in cron that run once a day and give you important system information.
two words: bat shit
i hope you know that it is very easy to upgrade the hard drive on the jukebox. heck i replaced my 6G with a 30G over a year ago.
i would have to partialy agree with you, the ipod interface is very sweet, and the size is great, but when it comes down to it, i choose the archos models over any others any day, it works as a usb hard drive on ANY os! i just have to plus it into my linux box, and mount it, and its done. on windows you have to get drivers, on the mac (not os X) it will automagicaly download and install then mount the device for you, which is also pretty sweet.
plus archos is coming out with a new model that is so good i cant believe it! just go to their site and look at what they have lined up.
i like to call it "mymap"
g
but seriously, i wanted the same things, so i am currently using using a mysql database, a python agent to retrieve the mail from the pop3 server and store it in the db, and a php based webinterface to view it. vfolders are the goodest. each folder is just a series of sql queries into the message table or even into other vfolders! so the possiblity is endless. the only reason i made a web client first is that its a faster way to develope a usable interface to try out the design to see what works and what dont. i have a screenshot up, if you want to see what it looks like.
http://web2.airmail.net/lelie/shots/mymap-01.pn
usually an ISDN line is treated as a business service. You get prompt weeked/holiday response. cost of the line can range anywhere from 40 to 80 a month from the telco. not counting the cost of the isp service which i am sure you could get your company to pay for.
It would be nice if the editor showed which products he compared, and why the others did not get the award. and as far as the "Office Application
" section goes, was he only comparing word processors? what about gnumeric? gnumeric 0.75 is at a point right now where its so sweet, it makes your teeth hurt. and did he even try galeon. as far as the browsing experience goes, its my opinion that galeon is much better designed to be a web browser.
i wonder what happens if you mix an explosive chemical with your gasoline and put it in your gastank, then start your engine... wait, i am sure it checks the chemical properties first!
the fact of the matter is that it is possible to design something to test for every possible situation, however the more complex a system becomes the more complex your testing will also become, then there comes a point when more than 50% of your code is there for testing! Thats all well and good, but if you are writing code for free, and your basic goal is to just get something accomplished, you are going to put in pretty much only as much testing as you "think" you need, unless you got some sick fetish with exception handeling.
Okay, as a few people above have mentioned, the author fails to compare similar technologies. He is using a (unix: thin client/server) to a (windows desktop + server) situation. Whate he fails to take into consideration is that there is a windows thin client/server solution also.
With that being said, i dont advocate any company going a "one way only" solution. any company that fails to examine what there needs are before they invest money into a "solution" is a pretty bad situation.
Since i have experience in this field, i think i am qualified to give an example of how this should be approached.
In most companies, no more than 5% of the employees (including management) uses the full resources of their computer for more than 30% of their work day. The average user would spike the machine for short periods of time over short periods of times. There are few positions where this is not the normal situation, and you also have to account for this.
With average users on a dual PIII 800MHz with 512MB of ram, you can handle 20 users safely, the real bottleneck is memory and disk speed. If the server is upgraded to 4GB and switched to a 9GB fast scsi drive, the user count can be increased to 40 users. push those cpus over to dual athlons 1.X GHz and you can probably get 50 users per server. This box will not cost you that much. If your users are going to have a few users who will be doing heavy cpu intense activities, you can balance them over different servers so that no one server will have multiple heavy users at the same time. In a college situation this is perfect since you dont have everyone trying to use the resources at the same time of day (as opposed to a company where you get spikes at the same time.)
You can also use these servers to run X and reduce some of your cost on licenses, especialy if some of your employees only use web based tools and light office applications. For the few users who will need standalone pcs, you can let them have it. You can then use very thin client machines for the rest. These start from $200 without a monitor. With the use of some of citrixs products and some custom scripts/tools, you can run a pretty tight ship, and have the best of both worlds, while reducing cost and improving productivity.
Anyone who claims that you can't implement a terminal server solution that can be self maintaining and stable doesnt know as much as they claim. My belief is that if you have to have employees using windows, then you really want to get them on a terminal server solution. Some of the major reason, are:
- reduced end user interaction (the end user can call you, and you can either fix the problem remotly, or shadow their session and see what they are doing and try to resolve it)
- security (you can enforce policies in an easier manner)
- accountability (management can see what users are doing, and where productivity is being lost)
- upgrades are transparent to the end users
the few downsides to a terminal server solution are:
- you have to plan it out right, if you dont, it will blow up in your face and cost you way more than you intended to spend.
- you need to get competent, experienced admins who know what they are doing.
- there can be a larger cost software wise initialy, but the benifits over time are worth it.
- you need management that understand what the technology can and cant do, and know when to let the admins make the right decisions, as opposed to telling them what the decision is and then have them try to implement it.
thats about it.
yep, wired is stupid. If someone is stupid enough to not read ALL the information in a security message, then they deserve whatever they get. I am not a MS supporter, but they clearly stated that IE 5.01 SP1 and IE 5.5 SP1 are the ONLY two versions the patch can be installed on. They even show you how to find out what version of IE you are using, and how to see if the patch was applied sucessfully. It cant be any easier than that.
he doesnt have a low ID, i do.
get a nice UPS and then you are set
umm, i can get a working copy of linux running on a floppy no prob.
ill be damned if i can get a working install of windows (THAT CAN GET ME ON THE NET!) on less than a 100mb hd!, matter of fact, if you want to be able to do anything, count on 200mb or more
now which sounds stupid?
Has anyone seen DigitalConvergence's cuecat commercials? Well, it cant be called a commercial, more like an infomercial, or a "brainwashing program." One of the parts that makes me just laugh is where the dumb guy can't believe that the cuecat will replace all the pieces of paper he has around his computer with web address on it! Okay, what sort of a moron keeps urls on paper?!? who need bookmarks when you have paper! "now you can stop recording your urls on paper and use the cuecat to access your sites..."
Now, for the real shit about the cuecat that just pisses me off (besides a certain person who works at DC) lets say, i want to look up information on quantum theory? what do i do? let me guess, do i use the cue cat to scan a light particle that has a barcod eon it? i think not. This thing is so fucking useless that its not even funny. over 90% of the time that anyone i know is lokking for information on the internet, they are not looking for a single product specific thing (not including drivers/manuals/software for hardware). I mean, why would you want to go to pepsi's web site? The only valid uses i can see for cue cats, is in magazines and newspaper. Why? so that you can access information about the person who wrote the article, to see what else they have written, or for a digital copy of the article, or even for other articles from past issues relating to this article. sort of like an embeded hyperlink system for printed media. In books it would be cool also if author is discussing a topic and wants to provide references to online information.
What is it with people wanting to make sites for their own so called "minorities?"
Why should their be a "Geek girl site?"
I am not saying that there shouldn't be one, what i am saying is that i can never understand the mentality of people who decide that their group are not well represented, and therefore they strike out on their own (this is kinda funny since slashdot is a site for geeks). Maybe i don't know what i am talking about, maybe there should be a geek site for girls, and one for blacks... and maybe even one for black girls!
I don't know anymore, these are some troubling times...
(oh and if you have a problem with me, i am not sexist or racist, heck i know women... my mom is one! and i know blacks... i see them on tv all the time )
You must be one lame admin if you have a production box running on a OS just released in under a month! If i were your boss you would be fired! Second of all, when you install an OS, You should know to look and see what services are running on it, its just fricking common knowledge.
Don't give me the crap about you didn't know, if you didn't know, you should not be using it. You do not jump into a jet fighter and try to fly it without knowing how to use it. So why would you do that to an OS?
Its folks like you who get their boxes rooted, then bitch about "insecure" OS
Or Pay Alan Cox to work on the linux kernel...
everyone just pretends to look the other way while they toss rocks at RedHat
When last you installed Internet Explorer, or Media Player? Heck almost any "major" MS applications have lots of files that are different depending on which OS you are installing it on. I don't see Media Player 7.0 for NT 4.0 do i?
Thats not true at all.
:)
Look at Abit with the BP6, its the most popular motherboard they ever sold! there are entire websites dedicated to it. And dude to that, they have recently released the VP6, which looks to be another sweet dual cpu board. And with the specs that bad boy has... i don't think they will have ANY problems selling it