What they're saying is that ATX was never designed to deal with the heat disspation issues that today's systems place on it.
That's not blame. That's a statement of FACT.
With BTX, they've gone back and rethought system layout, based on the way computers are loaded out TODAY (not 6-7 years ago).
ATX can still cope with mid-range systems today.
However, high-end systems (the midrange systems of the next year-or-two can SERIOUSLY tax a system's heat dissipation capabilities.
The worst offender is, of course, the CPU. Next up is the GPU. Then you have some of the chipsets nowadays that run so hot as to REQUIRE active cooling.
Worse, they're spread out all over the board. Why? Because the heat issue wasn't as much of a problem back when ATX was formalized. For Bob's sake, it was a NOVEL thing to have a CPU with a fan on the heatsink! So thoughts about airflow over components was rudimentary at best. (Nonexistent at worst.)
I mean, why do you think that wide-ass parallel ribbon-cables have held on so long? (Besides the thoughs about "serial=slow, parallel=performance" that hung on until more recent improvements in serial technologies.)
I've found a better explantion of the SCO situatio
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Uh. NO. I just got OUT of that field. Wouldn't go back for ANYTHING.
If I break something on a computer, I can fix it.
If I medicate a patient incorrectly and kill him, that's not something I can fix.
And, maybe for women, it's a more viable alternative. However, there's a MASSIVE unspoken gender bias in the nursing industry.
Not to mention that the burnout rate is hovering around 60% and 10 years.
Not only that, the state of the health care system in this country is going to lead to more and more cost cutting measures. Like primary care nursing (meaning the nurse does EVERYTHING, no nursing asssistants, no separate phlebotomy departments, NADA). Not only that, the patient load PER NURSE is climbing.
At Loyola, 8 patients to a nurse on the NIGHT SHIFT is easy (6 for days). In some units, it can climb as high as 16 per nurse. Now if you're just passing meds and trying to document everything, that's going to be hectic enough. But if you have a code, or even ONE of the patients is high maintenence, you're SCREWED (see 12 hours a day, 5 days a week when only scheduled for 40 hours).
Not to put too fine a point upon this....no, HELL NO, and FUCKING HELL NO!
Nice comfy chair in the middle of an acoustically perfect room with a nice sound system. Slot-load optical drive Keyboard on a swing-out tray Wireless mouse with a small mousing pad. Big white wall Projector
And before you go harping on price, we ARE talking about a $1400 computer case in this thread.....
Distances in miles, in case anyone's interested.
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The map is a representation of approximately 11.912216896 DUODECILLION MILES.
That's 11,912,216,896,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 miles longhand.
I wonder how many burgers White Castle would have to serve to make a stack that reaches THAT far....
Just need to know so that I don't accidentally aim any laser beams in that direction when trying to pull or push ducklike alien beings to or from Cleveland....err Earth.
How do I hold that other parent responsible or force that other parent to keep GTA3 out of their problem-child's hands?
Very simple. Take them to court and sue them into eternal poverty. Just like everyone else in this country. I'd also demand that their ability to contribute to the human gene pool be removed too. But that might be harder to do.
In many voter's eyes, maybe it's just easier to ban the video game totally than to force someone else to be a better parent?
Translation: Take away other people's rights, rather than tackling the REAL problem and going after the people actually responsible. Blame-shifting. I'll give you three choices here. Take your pick.
No
HELL NO
FUCKING HELL NO!
Put another way: I think that it's logical to assume that the people most interested in banning violent video games don't allow their children to have them, so you can hardly say that their looking to excuse their own bad parenting. Instead, their looking to circumvent their neighbor's bad parenting.
The problem is, that a blanket ban affects a MUCH larger group than the agreed-upon problem group.
However, that doesn't blind me to the fact that critics of games like GTA3 have a legitimate concern.
Correction. They THINK they have a legitimate concern. The manufacturers don't force people to buy the product at gunpoint. They also do NOT put real guns into the hands of kids.
Studies have shown that video games directly influence behavior.
What was that term again? Oh yes.
Lies. Damn Lies. And Statistics.
I have no doubt that in some case somewhere, some violent video game led to the taking of an innocent life.
I do. If someone can actually do that, there's much more than just a video game feeding into it. Yes, the video game COULD be a trigger for an unstable person. But so could Twinkies. So could Roseanne Barr. So could a rainstorm on Friday the 13th.
Simply because some whack-job gets it into his head that a game is telling or teaching them to kill for real doesn't mean it's so. And simply banning things because they COULD trigger it basically means taking away all freedoms to do ANYTHING. Because anything COULD trigger their negative impulses.
In the end, I agree with you that the solution is, in some way, a combination of holding the parents responsible for their kids' actions. And understanding that while some of this is quite horrible, we ARE a free society. And with that comes the freedom to do certain things that others might find repugnant, or could possibly adversely affect some person who's not really nodding acquaintances with reality.
Several companies are making silicon implementations (ASICs) of OR1200 using different library vendors and foundaries, process geometries from 0.35um to 0.13um. For references contact lampret@opencores.org.
Here is an example of System-On-Chip (SOC) from Flextronics Semiconductor. It is a 32-bit general-purpose microcontroller implemented on UMC 0.18um targetting embedded applications with maximum clock frequency of 160MHz.
The SOC features:
OR1200 processor
Memory Controller (FLASH, SDRAM, SRAM, DPRAM)
PCI 2.2 32-bit interface 33/66MHz
Ethernet MAC 10/100
UART16550
GPIO
JTAG/Debug Interface
The OR1200 is implemented with 8KB instruction and 8KB data caches, I/DMMU with 64 TLB entries each, power management unit, debug unit, tick timer and interrupt controller. Its 32x32 multiplier is coupled with a 64-bit MAC unit.
Test board for testing the SOC has 64MBytes of SDRAM, 32MBytes of FLASH, RS232 transceiver, Ethernet 10/100 PHY. Connectors are for RS232, Ethernet, JTAG/Debug and several Mictor logic analyzer connectors. The board has its own DC/DC regulators for 3.3V IO power supply and 1.8V core power supply. It can be used as stand alone board or as PCI standard form plugin board.
Software running on the SOC is Embedded Microcontroller Linux (uClinux) with a console on serial RS232. The console shows a network ping to a local network host - the ping shows the Ethernet 10/100 capability.
This board was the first prototype built (not fully assembled at the time)
Dynamic power of the entire test board is 1.4W. Dynamic current of the SOC IO power supply is 52mA (3.3V) and dynamic current of the SOC Core power supply is 86mA (1.8V). These are nominal values measured at 100MHz system clock.
Maximum system clock frequency of the SOC is 160 MHz. System clock is used to clock not only the OR1200 processor but the entire chip (exception is memory controller which can also run at 1/2 system clock). Max system clock 160MHz was obtained at 25C ambient temperature, 3.3V IO and 1.8V core.
Test boards are available to Flextronics Semiconductor ASIC customers. For more information about the test boards, the SOC technical details and business engagement please contact Flextronics Semiconductor.
IMPORTANT NOTE: For a live demonstration of the SOC in Silicon Valley, California during Dec 8th 2003 and Dec 15th please contact Damjan Lampret.
...Unless of course if you're dealing with a completely clueless (or just plain sneaky) kiddie who throws every single exploit he has (regardless the server) at your box. That's when security through obscurity stops working
Now, instead of being well-nigh untouchable due to spam's precarious placement as little more than a highly undesireable activity, AT&T can go after spammers IN COURT on grounds of PATENT INFRINGEMENT.
And going to court over something like this takes megabucks. Especially against a company the size of AT&T. Even if the spammers somehow weasel out on technicalities (like they didn't actually infringe on the patent directly), they're still going to be out so much money that their great grandkids aren't even going to be able to go to any educational institution after public high school.
And no, I'm not attempting a Clinton-esque mangling of terminology.
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A) Performance can mean: High FPS in games
B) Performance can mean: Excellent VQ in games
C) Performance can mean: Excellent VQ in apps
D) Performance can mean: Any combination of the above three
Answer: Yes. My secondary and tertiary systems are running (in order) Radeon 9800 and Radeon 9600.
Currently the R9800 is running the latest Cats. The main problem is that, while it's nice and stable (and high-performing) on most of the games you see used as benchies today, it's buggy and weird on other games and in various apps.
I had to back the 9600 up to an early rev so that it would play nice with a few of my older games. However, every now and again, I keep getting a nice round of
Boot and Reboot were in a boat. Boot fell out. Who was left?
So please. BEFORE you go accusing someone of not having used/tried/whatever, know WTH you're talking about.
When 3.0 hit, the driver quality matched that of the Detonators and has ever since.
Let's just say that I HEARTILY beg to differ.
I have never had a single problem with any driver compatibility except with Enter the Matrix on my Mobility Radeon 7500.
So because your anecdotal evidence with an admittedly old embedded GPU is somehow significant?
So because "I" have no problems, everyone else who's reporting problems MUST be lying.
Sure. If all you're looking for is umpty-bazillion frames a second, the 9800 is going to be what most power-gamers go drooling after.
But, until ATI can actually come out with a stable driver that works with all games and apps, neither I, nor anybody I know can, in good conscience, actually recommend an ATI card.
Additionally, if you want a decent 3D card for Linux, you can pretty much forget ATI.
And don't just take my word for it. Go browse around a few of the ATI-centric sites that cater to ATI's users. Take a look at the issues being raised.
And before some frothing fanboi starts yelling about driver cheats, DX9 compliance, etc...I acknowledge the issues with nVidia. But, even in the light of those issues, nVidia's drivers still work.
I have a medical background, rather than a business background. So I tend to think in somewhat more medical terms. And in the medical field, a "stream" is not something you want to deal with.;-)
First, the *AA organizations aren't trying to protect themselves, they're protecting the people who decide whether or not to pay them membership dues.
They're trying to keep people from saying "we ain't paying no membership fees".
So, in short, the're protecting themselves and trying to prolong the lifespan of their archaic business model.
The *AA company CEOs are expected to generate more revenue every year despite the shape the economy is in and the business problems you correctly cite.
Unfortunately, reality is going to have to slap them in the face eventually.
...
Hmm...
You want to ratfuck the *AA companies?
I never said this. I merely said that my money is going towards alternative purchases which simply will not benefit either of the **AA orgs.
Hope this REALLY scares the fuck out of people and makes them REALLY start taking notice.
At the same time, when I start thinking of "nuclear plant", "worm", and "system crash" in the same vein, I get a very nasty chill running down my spine.
*Checks to make sure tinfoil-lined jock-strap is in place to protect the "heirlooms".
Not that I'd de-advocating this sort of stance. I'd really prefer that my money not go to these money-grubbing [NAUGHTYS].
But think on this for a second. These idiots don't even have a NODDING acquaintence with common sense, or even REALITY. All they'll see, and yammer about, when sales plummet is "It's filesharing!" "It's texting!" "It's freedom of speech!"
No matter what, they're utterly incapable of believing tha that their sales dropoffs are actually due to:
Death of dinosaur markets, resulting in a narrowing of profit vectors.
Death of niches no longer favored by the consumers, resulting in FURTHER narrowing of profit vectors
A tighter, more fiscal-necessity-oriented economy
The decreased efficacy of marketing and promotion in a society that has "peer" review instantaneously available on a global telecommunications network.
An market already HIDEOUSLY bloated by a massive amount of content being released
Alternative forms of entertainment competing for the consumer dollar in said economy
The shoddy market research which results in the greenlighting of...
A growing preponderance of "crap" product being shoveled out to the public which then DON'T get consumed. Tying up resources as product languishes on shelves. For the distributor, the point of sale, and the artist.
Need I go on?
In short, no matter what people do, or do not, buy, the likes of the MPAA and the RIAA will merely blame-shift so they don't have to accept responsibility for their own [NAUGHTY]-ups.
The problem is that simply going Mac is NOT going to change the number of people it takes to maintain the back-end equipment. In all likelihood, it'll INCREASE it in the short term, as the IT dept. has to familiarize itself with the Mac platform.
Additionally, there's the issue of retaining and supporting people who have been using Windows PCs for much of their careers. This is DAMNABLY expensive, and will result in a SUSTAINED increase in support personnel needed to hand-hold people through the changeover.
Is the Mac platform easy to pick up? Sure. But no easier than current Windows platforms. And for someone firmly entrenched in the Windows user paradigm, it's going to be a BITCH trying to make the conversion. Sure, lots of stuff is the same. But enough of it is JUST different enough that people are going to have apoplexy and be gnawing the carpet by the end of a day from everything that DOESN'T work the same as their old Windows box.
Then again, there's also the issue that's been brought up about the sheer IDIOCY of locking yourself into a single source platform like the Mac.
Then there's the fact that the current offerings for Mac server products don't meet many of the requirements for a production-grade deployment. And all I see here is talk about how great the NEXT big thing is gonna be and what features it "should" have. If I need to deploy now, I need to deploy NOW. Not when this bit of vapor and all it's accompanying vapor promises are SUPPOSED to come. So you can stow the nebulous "potential" in the circular file.
Granted, OSX on the desktop ain't bad. It ain't "insanely great", but it's not bad. Currently available offerings of OSX servers are BAD. And I'm being NICE about it.
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What they're saying is that ATX was never designed to deal with the heat disspation issues that today's systems place on it.
That's not blame. That's a statement of FACT.
With BTX, they've gone back and rethought system layout, based on the way computers are loaded out TODAY (not 6-7 years ago).
ATX can still cope with mid-range systems today.
However, high-end systems (the midrange systems of the next year-or-two can SERIOUSLY tax a system's heat dissipation capabilities.
The worst offender is, of course, the CPU.
Next up is the GPU.
Then you have some of the chipsets nowadays that run so hot as to REQUIRE active cooling.
Worse, they're spread out all over the board. Why? Because the heat issue wasn't as much of a problem back when ATX was formalized. For Bob's sake, it was a NOVEL thing to have a CPU with a fan on the heatsink! So thoughts about airflow over components was rudimentary at best. (Nonexistent at worst.)
I mean, why do you think that wide-ass parallel ribbon-cables have held on so long? (Besides the thoughs about "serial=slow, parallel=performance" that hung on until more recent improvements in serial technologies.)
Anybody who's been exposed to even a little television in the last 20-30 years should be able to pick up on this explanation.
Uh. NO. I just got OUT of that field. Wouldn't go back for ANYTHING.
If I break something on a computer, I can fix it.
If I medicate a patient incorrectly and kill him, that's not something I can fix.
And, maybe for women, it's a more viable alternative. However, there's a MASSIVE unspoken gender bias in the nursing industry.
Not to mention that the burnout rate is hovering around 60% and 10 years.
Not only that, the state of the health care system in this country is going to lead to more and more cost cutting measures. Like primary care nursing (meaning the nurse does EVERYTHING, no nursing asssistants, no separate phlebotomy departments, NADA). Not only that, the patient load PER NURSE is climbing.
At Loyola, 8 patients to a nurse on the NIGHT SHIFT is easy (6 for days). In some units, it can climb as high as 16 per nurse. Now if you're just passing meds and trying to document everything, that's going to be hectic enough. But if you have a code, or even ONE of the patients is high maintenence, you're SCREWED (see 12 hours a day, 5 days a week when only scheduled for 40 hours).
Not to put too fine a point upon this....no, HELL NO, and FUCKING HELL NO!
Who needs a desk?
Nice comfy chair in the middle of an acoustically perfect room with a nice sound system.
Slot-load optical drive
Keyboard on a swing-out tray
Wireless mouse with a small mousing pad.
Big white wall
Projector
And before you go harping on price, we ARE talking about a $1400 computer case in this thread.....
The map is a representation of approximately 11.912216896 DUODECILLION MILES.
That's 11,912,216,896,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000 miles longhand.
I wonder how many burgers White Castle would have to serve to make a stack that reaches THAT far....
Just need to know so that I don't accidentally aim any laser beams in that direction when trying to pull or push ducklike alien beings to or from Cleveland....err Earth.
Very simple. Take them to court and sue them into eternal poverty. Just like everyone else in this country. I'd also demand that their ability to contribute to the human gene pool be removed too. But that might be harder to do.
In many voter's eyes, maybe it's just easier to ban the video game totally than to force someone else to be a better parent?
Translation: Take away other people's rights, rather than tackling the REAL problem and going after the people actually responsible. Blame-shifting. I'll give you three choices here. Take your pick.
Put another way: I think that it's logical to assume that the people most interested in banning violent video games don't allow their children to have them, so you can hardly say that their looking to excuse their own bad parenting. Instead, their looking to circumvent their neighbor's bad parenting.
The problem is, that a blanket ban affects a MUCH larger group than the agreed-upon problem group.
However, that doesn't blind me to the fact that critics of games like GTA3 have a legitimate concern.
Correction. They THINK they have a legitimate concern. The manufacturers don't force people to buy the product at gunpoint. They also do NOT put real guns into the hands of kids.
Studies have shown that video games directly influence behavior.
What was that term again? Oh yes.
I have no doubt that in some case somewhere, some violent video game led to the taking of an innocent life.
I do. If someone can actually do that, there's much more than just a video game feeding into it. Yes, the video game COULD be a trigger for an unstable person. But so could Twinkies. So could Roseanne Barr. So could a rainstorm on Friday the 13th.
Simply because some whack-job gets it into his head that a game is telling or teaching them to kill for real doesn't mean it's so. And simply banning things because they COULD trigger it basically means taking away all freedoms to do ANYTHING. Because anything COULD trigger their negative impulses.
In the end, I agree with you that the solution is, in some way, a combination of holding the parents responsible for their kids' actions. And understanding that while some of this is quite horrible, we ARE a free society. And with that comes the freedom to do certain things that others might find repugnant, or could possibly adversely affect some person who's not really nodding acquaintances with reality.
Until you can actually prove your bullshit claims in a court of law, I feel that my company has no choice but to tell you to GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH A SANDPAPER-COATED DILDO!
Project: OpenRISC 1000
Silicon Implementations
Several companies are making silicon implementations (ASICs) of OR1200 using different library vendors and foundaries, process geometries from 0.35um to 0.13um. For references contact lampret@opencores.org.
Here is an example of System-On-Chip (SOC) from Flextronics Semiconductor. It is a 32-bit general-purpose microcontroller implemented on UMC 0.18um targetting embedded applications with maximum clock frequency of 160MHz.
The SOC features:
The OR1200 is implemented with 8KB instruction and 8KB data caches, I/DMMU with 64 TLB entries each, power management unit, debug unit, tick timer and interrupt controller. Its 32x32 multiplier is coupled with a 64-bit MAC unit.
Test board for testing the SOC has 64MBytes of SDRAM, 32MBytes of FLASH, RS232 transceiver, Ethernet 10/100 PHY. Connectors are for RS232, Ethernet, JTAG/Debug and several Mictor logic analyzer connectors. The board has its own DC/DC regulators for 3.3V IO power supply and 1.8V core power supply. It can be used as stand alone board or as PCI standard form plugin board. Software running on the SOC is Embedded Microcontroller Linux (uClinux) with a console on serial RS232. The console shows a network ping to a local network host - the ping shows the Ethernet 10/100 capability.
This board was the first prototype built (not fully assembled at the time)
Dynamic power of the entire test board is 1.4W. Dynamic current of the SOC IO power supply is 52mA (3.3V) and dynamic current of the SOC Core power supply is 86mA (1.8V). These are nominal values measured at 100MHz system clock. Maximum system clock frequency of the SOC is 160 MHz. System clock is used to clock not only the OR1200 processor but the entire chip (exception is memory controller which can also run at 1/2 system clock). Max system clock 160MHz was obtained at 25C ambient temperature, 3.3V IO and 1.8V core.
Test boards are available to Flextronics Semiconductor ASIC customers. For more information about the test boards, the SOC technical details and business engagement please contact Flextronics Semiconductor. IMPORTANT NOTE: For a live demonstration of the SOC in Silicon Valley, California during Dec 8th 2003 and Dec 15th please contact Damjan Lampret.
Now, instead of being well-nigh untouchable due to spam's precarious placement as little more than a highly undesireable activity, AT&T can go after spammers IN COURT on grounds of PATENT INFRINGEMENT.
And going to court over something like this takes megabucks. Especially against a company the size of AT&T. Even if the spammers somehow weasel out on technicalities (like they didn't actually infringe on the patent directly), they're still going to be out so much money that their great grandkids aren't even going to be able to go to any educational institution after public high school.
Depends on what you mean by "performance".
And no, I'm not attempting a Clinton-esque mangling of terminology.
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A) Performance can mean: High FPS in games
B) Performance can mean: Excellent VQ in games
C) Performance can mean: Excellent VQ in apps
D) Performance can mean: Any combination of the above three
My response to a similar supposition that I haven't actually used the latest ATI products or drivers
Have you tried any of the 3.x Catalyst series?
Answer: Yes. My secondary and tertiary systems are running (in order) Radeon 9800 and Radeon 9600.
Currently the R9800 is running the latest Cats. The main problem is that, while it's nice and stable (and high-performing) on most of the games you see used as benchies today, it's buggy and weird on other games and in various apps.
I had to back the 9600 up to an early rev so that it would play nice with a few of my older games. However, every now and again, I keep getting a nice round of
Boot and Reboot were in a boat. Boot fell out. Who was left?
So please. BEFORE you go accusing someone of not having used/tried/whatever, know WTH you're talking about.
When 3.0 hit, the driver quality matched that of the Detonators and has ever since.
Let's just say that I HEARTILY beg to differ.
I have never had a single problem with any driver compatibility except with Enter the Matrix on my Mobility Radeon 7500.
So because your anecdotal evidence with an admittedly old embedded GPU is somehow significant?
So because "I" have no problems, everyone else who's reporting problems MUST be lying.
Please.
*nt*
Maybe if all you're doing is playing the latest games.
Try actually using the Cats with older games, and several video-based apps.
The phrase that springs to mind is "Problems out the ying-yang"
*Edited for content*
*See Subject*
Sure. If all you're looking for is umpty-bazillion frames a second, the 9800 is going to be what most power-gamers go drooling after.
But, until ATI can actually come out with a stable driver that works with all games and apps, neither I, nor anybody I know can, in good conscience, actually recommend an ATI card.
Additionally, if you want a decent 3D card for Linux, you can pretty much forget ATI.
And don't just take my word for it. Go browse around a few of the ATI-centric sites that cater to ATI's users. Take a look at the issues being raised.
And before some frothing fanboi starts yelling about driver cheats, DX9 compliance, etc...I acknowledge the issues with nVidia. But, even in the light of those issues, nVidia's drivers still work.
PERIOD.
Next we'll see cloned sunspots from AMD and Cyrix, followed by a massive rebranding campaign by Intel...
Wait. What were we talking about again?
Profit: The amount received for a commodity or service in excess of the original cost
Vector: A course or direction
I have a medical background, rather than a business background. So I tend to think in somewhat more medical terms. And in the medical field, a "stream" is not something you want to deal with. ;-)
They're trying to keep people from saying "we ain't paying no membership fees".
So, in short, the're protecting themselves and trying to prolong the lifespan of their archaic business model.
The *AA company CEOs are expected to generate more revenue every year despite the shape the economy is in and the business problems you correctly cite.
Unfortunately, reality is going to have to slap them in the face eventually.
...
Hmm...
You want to ratfuck the *AA companies?
I never said this. I merely said that my money is going towards alternative purchases which simply will not benefit either of the **AA orgs.
A nuclear plant...
Wonderful!
Hope this REALLY scares the fuck out of people and makes them REALLY start taking notice.
At the same time, when I start thinking of "nuclear plant", "worm", and "system crash" in the same vein, I get a very nasty chill running down my spine.
*Checks to make sure tinfoil-lined jock-strap is in place to protect the "heirlooms".
Not that I'd de-advocating this sort of stance. I'd really prefer that my money not go to these money-grubbing [NAUGHTYS].
But think on this for a second. These idiots don't even have a NODDING acquaintence with common sense, or even REALITY. All they'll see, and yammer about, when sales plummet is "It's filesharing!" "It's texting!" "It's freedom of speech!"
No matter what, they're utterly incapable of believing tha that their sales dropoffs are actually due to:
Need I go on?
In short, no matter what people do, or do not, buy, the likes of the MPAA and the RIAA will merely blame-shift so they don't have to accept responsibility for their own [NAUGHTY]-ups.
The problem is that simply going Mac is NOT going to change the number of people it takes to maintain the back-end equipment. In all likelihood, it'll INCREASE it in the short term, as the IT dept. has to familiarize itself with the Mac platform.
Additionally, there's the issue of retaining and supporting people who have been using Windows PCs for much of their careers. This is DAMNABLY expensive, and will result in a SUSTAINED increase in support personnel needed to hand-hold people through the changeover.
Is the Mac platform easy to pick up? Sure. But no easier than current Windows platforms. And for someone firmly entrenched in the Windows user paradigm, it's going to be a BITCH trying to make the conversion. Sure, lots of stuff is the same. But enough of it is JUST different enough that people are going to have apoplexy and be gnawing the carpet by the end of a day from everything that DOESN'T work the same as their old Windows box.
Then again, there's also the issue that's been brought up about the sheer IDIOCY of locking yourself into a single source platform like the Mac.
Then there's the fact that the current offerings for Mac server products don't meet many of the requirements for a production-grade deployment. And all I see here is talk about how great the NEXT big thing is gonna be and what features it "should" have. If I need to deploy now, I need to deploy NOW. Not when this bit of vapor and all it's accompanying vapor promises are SUPPOSED to come. So you can stow the nebulous "potential" in the circular file.
Granted, OSX on the desktop ain't bad. It ain't "insanely great", but it's not bad. Currently available offerings of OSX servers are BAD. And I'm being NICE about it.