Thank you for that question quantaman, Well I strongly object to them, the U.S. has been trying this for years and every time it gets struck down by a NAFTA tribunal (or is it a court can't remember), either way I heard the ruling was supposed to be due this past thursday but got delayed, hopefully it will come out soon and the insane (23%) tariffs will be gone. I've heard that the American complaint seems to be that the Canadian government didn't make the lumber companies pay for the trees or something but the Canadian system just uses a different method of payment (stumpage fees), the main reason why the Canadian lumber industry was so much more sucessful is because of a massive modernization a few years ago and probably also low labour costs due to the low Canadian dollar, why should we be punished for your over valued dollar?
If you haven't figured it out yet, Free software is free. Really? Well I was under the impression that you can pay for GLPed software! Besides you ignored the question with regards to BSD based software, do you want to pay tariffs for OS X?
They raise the price for their own citizens whose per capita income may already be below the current price of many applications. Yeah, those poor western Europeans (whom I was thinking of).
Do you expect the next generation of Americans make their living playing first person shooters? No when due to free trade other economies like South Korea and India raise their standard of living by actually being allowed to make money by selling to the U.S. start wanting their own products and services then the next generation of Americans will haev to fill that need. Hey that kind of sounds like capitalism! The fact is that with trade everyone benefits, including you! True you might suffer a little bit at first while trying to adapt and at the end you might not still be the allmighty super power but your standard of living will be higher, and isn't that what's important?
I am an American and tariffs on offshored code would benefit me and all my countrymen. Perhaps you have your own reasons for wanting to see a weak America, quantiman Al-Husseini. Yes I will excuse you for being naive, but only if your highest level of education was a taliban religious school.
Hey I respent that, I don't belong to the taliban! I'm a proud comrade of the Republic of Soviet Canuckistan!!
I believe this is already the case. I believe that artists/radio stations can use samples (shorter than 30 seconds i think) without having to pay for them.
What if the song itself is shorter than 30 seconds?
Companies which have code written outside of the U.S. should pay duty or tariffs on each license they sell just like vendors of manufactured items do. That would slow down the Great Tech Job Exodus.
Tariffs hooray!
Don't let that nasty Free Trade concept get in the way! Oh yeah and how do you plan to do this? What about free software? Do we pay only if we pay for the distro, are we off the hook if we download it for free? Ok, maybe we only pay the tariff if we buy the distro. What about BSD code, do you now have to pay a tariff everytime you use something that was BSD derived because it might of been coded outside the US? What happens when the rest of the world slaps tariffs on US software? How much yuckier would this make internet dealings in general?
Excuse me for being naive but I had hoped that we in the tech community had left this kind of thinking behind.
Why is it that articles that mention SCO vs Linux always call Linux" "Linux," but the articles that don't seem to remember to call Linux "GNU/Linux?"
Is this a coincidence? It's been done what seems like 30 times in the last couple months.
Linux is just the kernal, GNU/Linux is the entire OS which includes both the kernal and all the GNU tools and stuff. SCO is only talking about the kernal so in that case they are right in just saying Linux.
It takes time for the OEMs to jump on board. You need to find a good distro, negotiate with the company, test it with your machines to make sure everything works properly, train your staff so they know what to do when some customer calls with problems about it, then finally decide how to market the thing! You also need to wait to make sure that MicroSoft is actually playing nice before you risk seriously screwing yourself by ticking off the supplier of the OS for every machine you sell. Remeber the story about the scorpion and the frog? If I were an OEM I would eb damm careful before messing with M$. Still as we've just seen they are coming out, it's just a matter of how long and what kind of response HP gets from both the comsumer and M$ to see if more machines come out with linux pre-installed
One of those companies stole one of my widget subcomponents and without my knowledge incorporated it into their widget, which was subsequently retailed by my company.
How exactly is the retail of the dodgy widget an excuse for the thief?
I think the fact that SCO hasn't stopped distributing the code that they know is under the GPL means they've effectively GPL'ed it regardless. That still doesn't clear up the possible issue of IBM breaking their agreement but Linux should be in the clear.
Why, you are silly. Indirectly you pay for this with your taxes. You are supporting a huge corporation that truly has no need of government handouts.
No I'm not you're paying, I'm Canadian, my government won't even shell out to replace thirty year old helicopters. Heck I remember watching a movie a few years ago showing the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan a couple decades ago and one shot showed the Afgans fighting a Soviet tank with some ancient gun, our teacher then explained that that gun was the official anti-tank gun for the Canadian military... Needless to say I'm proud to say that our government won't be giving M$ 1/2 Billion dollars anytime soon!
I am quite sure there are some people out there who used Alpha-based workstations back when Digital made them.
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Mozilla is too and you don't see it running away with the race. MSN can still easily win. Just integrate it into the OS and make it the default search engine. Every one here is talking about how much better results Google gives and how the page is so much cleaner and works so much faster. It doesn't matter. The vast majority of people use defaults no matter what, a good portion of the rest will think "Hmm well MS is a super huge company so I'm sure what ever they make will be really good quality and be so much better than the competition". Don't count on them pick up on the search time as they'll probably attribute any difference to the internet being slow. Also sure as heck don't expect them to really notice the differing quality of search results, for one it's a completely subjective category and another you they likely won't even pay close enough attention to notice the difference. It's simple enough, integrate it into the OS, (something similar to Sherlock? been a while since I've used it), and make it the default anything on the windows box, home page too, really the average new user has no desire to change any kind of settings with their computer for the simple reason they don't really understand them. A search engine is obviously a good choice for a home page, make it your search engine and they're likely in your palm forever. Given the resources MS has and the actions they've been willing to take in the past combined with the courts unwillingness to stop them they would be fools if they didn't become #1.
And have posted 146 comments almost exclusively about your segway as well (at least most of the last 24 seem to be about it). Seriously it could be that you just really like it but yours is not the first comment I've read on/.that sounded like a sales pitch with relation to the segway (though you may of posted the other as well) though yours also sounds a little more balanced then the others I've read. Still how do know when someone is giving a legitimate experience and just isn't a clever advertiser trying a direct approach to word of mouth. I'm not saying you're what you say about your experience is inaccurate it just feels too much like a sales pitch.
10. Time Travel. I've registered any method of moving through time.
Just wait I'll go back in time before you patent it then sure you out of existence for patent infringement! Hrm on that note I better patent going back in time to steal a patent too... And maybe "waiting" may not be applicable... I better make sure no one steals my patent...
Heh I'm not sure how but I believe I managed to uninstall every rpm on the system, after I rebooted my only option was a failsafe boot. I just let it reinstall during the night and now up2date now works! Still getting trouble with java "Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit" so I'll just try to download that and see what it does. Thanks for all your help!
Well I tried this but I also tried a different BitTorrent rpm and when I try
apt-get remove python
I get
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
BitTorrent: Depends:/usr/bin/python2
Depends: python2 E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
I've tried rebuilding the database again but it didn't help, I also try 'apt-get -f install' but it doesn't help, and when I try to uninstall BitTorrent I get
Executing RPM (-e)... error reading information on service rhnsd: No such file or directory error: %preun(BitTorrent-3.2_cvs_alikins-2) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 E: Sub-process/bin/rpm returned an error code (255)
And I can't figgure out how to remove it any other way. Thankyou very much for all your help.
It's always an odd feeling when weeks of frustration are fixed in under a minute by someone who knows something:)
The things still don't actually run though:(
$ up2date Could not find platform independent libraries Could not find platform dependent libraries Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 10, in ?
import sys, os ImportError: No module named os
ive tried pretty much all of the RH versions, and I find that RH 9 is the best. I have never had a single crash once, ive never had any trouble with any of the configuration utilities, and ive never had to mess around with hardware issues(kernel modules and so on). It might just be that RH 9 suits the hardware im using very well, but I cant say the same things about any of the previous versions. Well thats my suggestion.
Funny, I've just finished repairing the rpm database for the nth time. I tried to install Python Base which was required for bittorrent but got a conflict from python-2.2.2-26, so i tried erasing that which gave me a stream of other conflicts and apparently did earase anyways since now up2date and half a dozen other utilities don't work because they're getting python related errors. Now neither reports being installed... well that isn't quite true, when I try to install python-base it won't install because in conflicts with files from python, and when I try to install python it conflicts with files from python-base. Oh yeah and Evolution is trying to send mail through a server belonging to an account which I tried to add but later removed because it didn't work. Also the java compiler has started giving errors about unreachable statements it didn't give before and the virtual machine now crashes before launching a gui (python related maybe?), i tried installing the 1.4.1 sdk but the installer appears to crash at the end... seems to have installed all of the files but never reports finishing, using the new javac and java the problems are unchanged. However go back a few weeks ago and I couldn't be happier with it but now I'm slightly frustrated. In short anecdotal evidence based on a single machine doesn't mean a whole lot.
If you look Neo for example, he was basically cg the whole movie anyways.
Well duh, Keanu Reeves is a CG actor. I mean it's pretty obvious, the lack of facial expressions and the fact that it looks like there's something fundamentaly wrong any time he's on the screen. He was basically a very early attempt at a fully CG character, I mean even Toy Story has more human seeming characters. Also if you conside... huh... WTF do you mean he's real?!?...
Ahhh he a robot like R2D2 and C3P0!! Ohh a human being I see...
Yeah! And wrestling is a real sport and and Linux copied SCO's code, riiight *snicker*
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My CS department has an old (at least I hope so) version of fvwm as the default WM with a particularily horrid colour scheme. I've heard the reason is to force the students to delve into the config files so avoid going insane.
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Ask the Canadians about hard wood lumber
Okay lets try.
How do you feel about hard wood lumber quantaman?
Thank you for that question quantaman, Well I strongly object to them, the U.S. has been trying this for years and every time it gets struck down by a NAFTA tribunal (or is it a court can't remember), either way I heard the ruling was supposed to be due this past thursday but got delayed, hopefully it will come out soon and the insane (23%) tariffs will be gone. I've heard that the American complaint seems to be that the Canadian government didn't make the lumber companies pay for the trees or something but the Canadian system just uses a different method of payment (stumpage fees), the main reason why the Canadian lumber industry was so much more sucessful is because of a massive modernization a few years ago and probably also low labour costs due to the low Canadian dollar, why should we be punished for your over valued dollar?
If you haven't figured it out yet, Free software is free.
Really? Well I was under the impression that you can pay for GLPed software! Besides you ignored the question with regards to BSD based software, do you want to pay tariffs for OS X?
They raise the price for their own citizens whose per capita income may already be below the current price of many applications.
Yeah, those poor western Europeans (whom I was thinking of).
Do you expect the next generation of Americans make their living playing first person shooters?
No when due to free trade other economies like South Korea and India raise their standard of living by actually being allowed to make money by selling to the U.S. start wanting their own products and services then the next generation of Americans will haev to fill that need. Hey that kind of sounds like capitalism! The fact is that with trade everyone benefits, including you! True you might suffer a little bit at first while trying to adapt and at the end you might not still be the allmighty super power but your standard of living will be higher, and isn't that what's important?
I am an American and tariffs on offshored code would benefit me and all my countrymen. Perhaps you have your own reasons for wanting to see a weak America, quantiman Al-Husseini. Yes I will excuse you for being naive, but only if your highest level of education was a taliban religious school.
Hey I respent that, I don't belong to the taliban! I'm a proud comrade of the Republic of Soviet Canuckistan!!
I believe this is already the case. I believe that artists/radio stations can use samples (shorter than 30 seconds i think) without having to pay for them.
What if the song itself is shorter than 30 seconds?
Companies which have code written outside of the U.S. should pay duty or tariffs on each license they sell just like vendors of manufactured items do. That would slow down the Great Tech Job Exodus.
Tariffs hooray!
Don't let that nasty Free Trade concept get in the way! Oh yeah and how do you plan to do this? What about free software? Do we pay only if we pay for the distro, are we off the hook if we download it for free? Ok, maybe we only pay the tariff if we buy the distro. What about BSD code, do you now have to pay a tariff everytime you use something that was BSD derived because it might of been coded outside the US? What happens when the rest of the world slaps tariffs on US software? How much yuckier would this make internet dealings in general?
Excuse me for being naive but I had hoped that we in the tech community had left this kind of thinking behind.
Why is it that articles that mention SCO vs Linux always call Linux" "Linux," but the articles that don't seem to remember to call Linux "GNU/Linux?"
Is this a coincidence? It's been done what seems like 30 times in the last couple months.
Linux is just the kernal, GNU/Linux is the entire OS which includes both the kernal and all the GNU tools and stuff. SCO is only talking about the kernal so in that case they are right in just saying Linux.
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It takes time for the OEMs to jump on board. You need to find a good distro, negotiate with the company, test it with your machines to make sure everything works properly, train your staff so they know what to do when some customer calls with problems about it, then finally decide how to market the thing! You also need to wait to make sure that MicroSoft is actually playing nice before you risk seriously screwing yourself by ticking off the supplier of the OS for every machine you sell. Remeber the story about the scorpion and the frog? If I were an OEM I would eb damm careful before messing with M$. Still as we've just seen they are coming out, it's just a matter of how long and what kind of response HP gets from both the comsumer and M$ to see if more machines come out with linux pre-installed
One of those companies stole one of my widget subcomponents and without my knowledge incorporated it into their widget, which was subsequently retailed by my company.
How exactly is the retail of the dodgy widget an excuse for the thief?
Well I'd have a little more faith in that argument if they weren't STILL DISTRIBUTING IT!!!
I think the fact that SCO hasn't stopped distributing the code that they know is under the GPL means they've effectively GPL'ed it regardless. That still doesn't clear up the possible issue of IBM breaking their agreement but Linux should be in the clear.
Why, you are silly. Indirectly you pay for this with your taxes. You are supporting a huge corporation that truly has no need of government handouts.
No I'm not you're paying, I'm Canadian, my government won't even shell out to replace thirty year old helicopters.
Heck I remember watching a movie a few years ago showing the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan a couple decades ago and one shot showed the Afgans fighting a Soviet tank with some ancient gun, our teacher then explained that that gun was the official anti-tank gun for the Canadian military... Needless to say I'm proud to say that our government won't be giving M$ 1/2 Billion dollars anytime soon!
Quick, name a mass-mailing worm that *doesn't* use Outlook (/Express).
Wine and KMail
"world's first 64-bit desktop processor"
I am quite sure there are some people out there who used Alpha-based workstations back when Digital made them.
I'm sorry there appears to to have been an error. Please check all power connections and restart your computer. If you are still experiencing trouble with your Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field please contact Apple and marketers will be on hand to help you with any problems you may be having.
Mozilla is too and you don't see it running away with the race. MSN can still easily win. Just integrate it into the OS and make it the default search engine. Every one here is talking about how much better results Google gives and how the page is so much cleaner and works so much faster.
It doesn't matter. The vast majority of people use defaults no matter what, a good portion of the rest will think "Hmm well MS is a super huge company so I'm sure what ever they make will be really good quality and be so much better than the competition". Don't count on them pick up on the search time as they'll probably attribute any difference to the internet being slow. Also sure as heck don't expect them to really notice the differing quality of search results, for one it's a completely subjective category and another you they likely won't even pay close enough attention to notice the difference. It's simple enough, integrate it into the OS, (something similar to Sherlock? been a while since I've used it), and make it the default anything on the windows box, home page too, really the average new user has no desire to change any kind of settings with their computer for the simple reason they don't really understand them. A search engine is obviously a good choice for a home page, make it your search engine and they're likely in your palm forever. Given the resources MS has and the actions they've been willing to take in the past combined with the courts unwillingness to stop them they would be fools if they didn't become #1.
Speak softly, and carry a big stick.
Ever get hit by 50 gazillion patent infringment lawsuits and the one of the worlds biggest legal departments?
Your generalization of Americans as racists is itself a racist generalization.
That's precisely why I hate all bigots!
And have posted 146 comments almost exclusively about your segway as well (at least most of the last 24 seem to be about it). Seriously it could be that you just really like it but yours is not the first comment I've read on /.that sounded like a sales pitch with relation to the segway (though you may of posted the other as well) though yours also sounds a little more balanced then the others I've read. Still how do know when someone is giving a legitimate experience and just isn't a clever advertiser trying a direct approach to word of mouth. I'm not saying you're what you say about your experience is inaccurate it just feels too much like a sales pitch.
10. Time Travel. I've registered any method of moving through time.
Just wait I'll go back in time before you patent it then sure you out of existence for patent infringement! Hrm on that note I better patent going back in time to steal a patent too... And maybe "waiting" may not be applicable... I better make sure no one steals my patent...
Damm paradox I'm getting confused!
Heh I'm not sure how but I believe I managed to uninstall every rpm on the system, after I rebooted my only option was a failsafe boot. I just let it reinstall during the night and now up2date now works! Still getting trouble with java "Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit" so I'll just try to download that and see what it does. Thanks for all your help!
Well I tried this but I also tried a different BitTorrent rpm and when I try
/usr/bin/python2
/bin/rpm returned an error code (255)
apt-get remove python
I get
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
BitTorrent: Depends:
Depends: python2
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
I've tried rebuilding the database again but it didn't help, I also try 'apt-get -f install' but it doesn't help, and when I try to uninstall BitTorrent I get
Executing RPM (-e)...
error reading information on service rhnsd: No such file or directory
error: %preun(BitTorrent-3.2_cvs_alikins-2) scriptlet failed, exit status 1
E: Sub-process
And I can't figgure out how to remove it any other way. Thankyou very much for all your help.
It's always an odd feeling when weeks of frustration are fixed in under a minute by someone who knows something :)
:(
:)
The things still don't actually run though
$ up2date
Could not find platform independent libraries
Could not find platform dependent libraries
Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:]
'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 10, in ?
import sys, os
ImportError: No module named os
Any ideas
ps Much thanking!
My messy handwriting is actually an encryption method to stop people from copying my work!!
Now if I could only teach my profs to decrypt it...
ive tried pretty much all of the RH versions, and I find that RH 9 is the best. I have never had a single crash once, ive never had any trouble with any of the configuration utilities, and ive never had to mess around with hardware issues(kernel modules and so on). It might just be that RH 9 suits the hardware im using very well, but I cant say the same things about any of the previous versions. Well thats my suggestion.
Funny, I've just finished repairing the rpm database for the nth time. I tried to install Python Base which was required for bittorrent but got a conflict from python-2.2.2-26, so i tried erasing that which gave me a stream of other conflicts and apparently did earase anyways since now up2date and half a dozen other utilities don't work because they're getting python related errors. Now neither reports being installed... well that isn't quite true, when I try to install python-base it won't install because in conflicts with files from python, and when I try to install python it conflicts with files from python-base. Oh yeah and Evolution is trying to send mail through a server belonging to an account which I tried to add but later removed because it didn't work. Also the java compiler has started giving errors about unreachable statements it didn't give before and the virtual machine now crashes before launching a gui (python related maybe?), i tried installing the 1.4.1 sdk but the installer appears to crash at the end... seems to have installed all of the files but never reports finishing, using the new javac and java the problems are unchanged. However go back a few weeks ago and I couldn't be happier with it but now I'm slightly frustrated. In short anecdotal evidence based on a single machine doesn't mean a whole lot.
That must be a big lab! Or maybe they had 100km of fibre and they just looped it round and round and round. ;)
Needless to say I got a little dizzy.
If you look Neo for example, he was basically cg the whole movie anyways.
...
Well duh, Keanu Reeves is a CG actor. I mean it's pretty obvious, the lack of facial expressions and the fact that it looks like there's something fundamentaly wrong any time he's on the screen. He was basically a very early attempt at a fully CG character, I mean even Toy Story has more human seeming characters. Also if you conside...
huh...
WTF do you mean he's real?!?
Ahhh he a robot like R2D2 and C3P0!!
Ohh a human being I see...
Yeah! And wrestling is a real sport and and Linux copied SCO's code, riiight
*snicker*
My CS department has an old (at least I hope so) version of fvwm as the default WM with a particularily horrid colour scheme. I've heard the reason is to force the students to delve into the config files so avoid going insane.
SCO's own phone number is 1-888-GO-LINUX
It still works, they've just changed their minds about where they want linux to go.
Damm I hope Hawkings is all he's cracked up to be!!!