Explain again why "folder" makes more sense; particularly the bit where I open a folder and find more folders inside. Which metaphor are we using here?
Because humans use folders to store things and directories to find phone numbers...
- [random combination of numbers and letters]
eg) ak1jop3d.domain.com
+ none really
- confusing.. really confusing. Can you imagine saying to someone "log on to alpha kappa one john omikron peter three delta?"
No.
But that's because they *should* log onto Alpha Kilo One Juliet Omega Papa 3 Delta
>And I'm sorry, although it might be critical to ONE sector, I hardly call it a critical app
see, this is some of the problem.
The financial services industry is *filled* with influential and powerful people. People who can exert far more influence that I can by doling out copies of RedmondLinux for home use. We're talking about the people with power to be heard.
In the real world, us geeks have a lot less pull than the *biz* folks.
Just a couple of the critical apps we need. If I can't even coax an OS X version of Bloomberg out of them, how can I persuade them to do a Linux port (even though it'd be easy, since they do/did a Solaris version).
And we still *need* Office. OpenOffice (which I burn CDs of for employees' home use, after they get sticker shock at the cost of Office) isn't a sufficient replacement. (hopefully this is just a -yet-)
Unfortunately, holidays are usually fabulous times to do server and infrastructure-type things that would normally be disruptive.
As I result I've done a LOT of server and network upgrades over Thanksgivings, Labor Days, Memorial Days, etc.
I'm sure lots of others have too.
Holidays are just usually too useful to let pass by without getting something done. In the end, the headaches saved (in lieu of turkey and mashed potatoes) are usually my own.
Those of us who prize Slackware, prize it for its minimalist *and* do-it-yourself approach.
Automatic package retrievers, while nice and certainly useful and welcome and needed by other distros, aren't really needed by us.
I think the discontinuation of those efforts are more an indication of the lack of need of *those services* by Slackware users, rather than a lack of interest in Slackware.
Again I agree (and thank you for your feedback), but what about the case... well, let's use slashdot as an example. Most people here view tough and hard to use and unfriendly as badges of honor? What if there was a developer movement which paid no heed to this?
Again, I'm just pushing an unlikely situation to an extreme, but it's an important thought, in my opinion.
Looking around at other objects for guidance - we need not be mechanical engineers to drive a car or electrical engineers to operate a VCR (though the number of blinking 12:00s might subvert that thought;-))
I definitely understand that reasoning and it's certainly valid -- but end users can't fork in the same manner; I guess that was a point that I didn't make.
OK, it's just thinking out loud, but who is accountable if an 'OM' (not that I'm convinced such a thing is possible) leads to trouble.
Let's suppose there is a CLI-crowd that forces some kind of situation where ease of use is impossible to implement for technical reasons?
I don't have specific examples, just thinking rhetorically, but the possibility of such an outcome should still be considered, however unlikely it may be.
Are these comments trolls? Or are people just uninformed?
The answer is: whenever you plug in the multibutton mouse of your choice.
I'm using a cordless optical Logitech mouse that doesn't even "support" Mac in OS X 10.1, and the scroller scrolls and the second button brings up contextual menus.
"It's high time the security community stopped providing the blueprints for building these weapons,"
It's probably high time that Microsoft stop building houses made of straw to defend against big bad 'net wolves... It'd sure make a lot of our lives easier...
And I remember someone's comment or.sig once that said something to effect that while the Palm is the right size to carry around, the Newton was the right size to use...
"The Developer Tools CD which comes with with every copy of Mac OS X version 10.1 includes Project Builder, the Interface Builder and other development tools."
I'll bet that Benny F. would be the first to tell you that that line of thinking is no longer valid.
He could not have foreseen the types of questions that face us now. And he'd acknowledge that and NOT handcuff his forward-thinking with historical-handcuffs...
We can look back for *guidance* but not for diction.
Slashdot Mirror
The computer is mine. The software is mine. And, should there be an issue, the blame is mine.
*BUT*, think CodeRed/Nimda-like - your problem could also become mine and I sure as hell don't want that!
Explain again why "folder" makes more sense; particularly the bit where I open a folder and find more folders inside. Which metaphor are we using here?
Because humans use folders to store things and directories to find phone numbers...
No.
But that's because they *should* log onto Alpha Kilo One Juliet Omega Papa 3 Delta
see, this is some of the problem.
The financial services industry is *filled* with influential and powerful people. People who can exert far more influence that I can by doling out copies of RedmondLinux for home use. We're talking about the people with power to be heard.
In the real world, us geeks have a lot less pull than the *biz* folks.
C'mon, we GOTTA milk that somehow...
Here's two: Office and the Bloomberg service...
Just a couple of the critical apps we need. If I can't even coax an OS X version of Bloomberg out of them, how can I persuade them to do a Linux port (even though it'd be easy, since they do/did a Solaris version).
And we still *need* Office. OpenOffice (which I burn CDs of for employees' home use, after they get sticker shock at the cost of Office) isn't a sufficient replacement. (hopefully this is just a -yet-)
We need apps. Big ones. How do we get there?
weren't mike and janet jackson on a space ship just a few years ago?
What someone needs to do is bring back the Talking Moose!
Anyone else remember the moose and his computerized voice?
"You are getting sleeeeppy. SleeeEEEEEpppy!"
:-)
Unfortunately, holidays are usually fabulous times to do server and infrastructure-type things that would normally be disruptive.
As I result I've done a LOT of server and network upgrades over Thanksgivings, Labor Days, Memorial Days, etc.
I'm sure lots of others have too.
Holidays are just usually too useful to let pass by without getting something done. In the end, the headaches saved (in lieu of turkey and mashed potatoes) are usually my own.
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Those of us who prize Slackware, prize it for its minimalist *and* do-it-yourself approach.
Automatic package retrievers, while nice and certainly useful and welcome and needed by other distros, aren't really needed by us.
I think the discontinuation of those efforts are more an indication of the lack of need of *those services* by Slackware users, rather than a lack of interest in Slackware.
Ha ha --
No interest in hacking private IPs...
Only wanting to know what in god's name fills a DVD with operating system cruft?
If this were Apple or MS we'd rip 'em good! Why should Linux get a free no-rip pass?
If this were Windows, wouldn't we see about 300 posts complaining about bloat?
Pray-tell, what is there that a full DVD is needed for??!?!?
No way! Who'd stand for that?!?!
Again I agree (and thank you for your feedback), but what about the case... well, let's use slashdot as an example. Most people here view tough and hard to use and unfriendly as badges of honor? What if there was a developer movement which paid no heed to this? Again, I'm just pushing an unlikely situation to an extreme, but it's an important thought, in my opinion. Looking around at other objects for guidance - we need not be mechanical engineers to drive a car or electrical engineers to operate a VCR (though the number of blinking 12:00s might subvert that thought ;-))
I definitely understand that reasoning and it's certainly valid -- but end users can't fork in the same manner; I guess that was a point that I didn't make.
OK, it's just thinking out loud, but who is accountable if an 'OM' (not that I'm convinced such a thing is possible) leads to trouble.
Let's suppose there is a CLI-crowd that forces some kind of situation where ease of use is impossible to implement for technical reasons?
I don't have specific examples, just thinking rhetorically, but the possibility of such an outcome should still be considered, however unlikely it may be.
*sigh*
Are these comments trolls? Or are people just uninformed?
The answer is: whenever you plug in the multibutton mouse of your choice.
I'm using a cordless optical Logitech mouse that doesn't even "support" Mac in OS X 10.1, and the scroller scrolls and the second button brings up contextual menus.
--MMN
It's probably high time that Microsoft stop building houses made of straw to defend against big bad 'net wolves... It'd sure make a lot of our lives easier...
Should it decrement when the (many) trial(s) is(are) over?
Very true.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/whatyoucando/projectbu ilder.html
...to see the level to which Windows-envy has grown
(nm)
Well obviously it helps open source development because contributors don't have Real Jobs getting in the way of their productivity! ;-)
He could not have foreseen the types of questions that face us now. And he'd acknowledge that and NOT handcuff his forward-thinking with historical-handcuffs...
We can look back for *guidance* but not for diction.
Things change
So must our assessments and strategies