Thats a really cool system. I wonder, if you're using your bandwidth pretty heavily (say downloading a legally paid for movie:) does it prioritize the local traffic over the wifi?
And where do I sign up for the magical $20 contract? Show me one where I get the hours I need + internet (and oh yeah, in the US) and I'm there. Generally the ones without a contract are no better than the one with. It would make sense if plans seemed to go down over two years, but because of the lack of competition they don't. So in the end you might as well get the contract and the phone - you're paying out the nose either way.
93 and 2009 works too. The first time I saw the word "Internet" in major media it really was in quotes and was right around then. The web was still a few years from critical mass, and "Interactive Television" was still a buzzword. The fake Disney city or whatever they had setup promised any movie you wanted, but there was a guy on the other end with a hundred VCRs putting in tapes and basically acting as an old telephone switchboard operator.
Five years later and you could get a very crappy resolution but full length movie, or wait forever to download a real one but pretty much have no place to store it since it would fill up a good chunk of your HD.
Five years after that and you can bittorrent a movie at reasonable times, keep them around on your disk, etc.
Five years after that and I can start up my xbox, browse to pretty much anything I want and play it immediately on the TV.
Progress doesn't happen overnight. The airplane didn't just spring from nothingness - there were a lot of glider flights and trial and error before that. Same thing with roads or rocketry - it took a while to get it right and build out the infrastructure. The fact that I rarely write anything down in my job and work in very close contact with workers on my department team that live in multiple timezones is a testament to the IT revolution that's occurred in the last 50 years. The fact that we don't marvel at it is that we didn't just time warp here - it happened right in front of us.
Progress usually follows a ramping up period, then a large step of improvements, then a ramping off period where acceleration of progress is slower. I think its reasonable to say we're still somewhere in the "large improvement" phase of information technology, and just ramping up with biotech (with the IT revolution helping to spawn the biotech revolution).
Ok, but what is your impetus to go check to see what the reviews are? When you want to see a movie, is it more like:
"I want to see a movie, what's playing?"
or
"I want to see movie XYZ, what time is it playing?"
I'd suspect most people have a vague idea of what's out there and aren't blindly trying to figure out what movies are being played. I actually felt like there were more movies "I never heard of" when I first got a DVR simply because the ads weren't constantly in my face. We like to think everything happens word of mouth, and that we're all informed consumers, but I think denying the power of even "background" advertising is a little naive.
Did they ever use a regular tachyon beam? And why reconfigure that junk? Seems like tachyons were always the answer, so they should probably have just flown around with the tachyons blasting full tilt. They could have shown up anywhere, closed any hole in the space-time continuum, and been done with the mission in time for tea, earl grey, hot.
I think he meant "field of scientific study" which many would argue ID is not. Have there been any serious studies into ID - perhaps something that can be tested and see if it fits the model?
I dunno, even if you just stick to the downloadable stuff on 360 it seems like theres a lot of stuff out there for pretty reasonable prices. They're putting the downloadable full game stuff up there now for ~$30 or so, and theres a good number of smaller indie titles for 5-12. Sure, if you want to get Madden or CoD on launch day there's a premium, but PC titles on launch day aren't cheap either - $40-$60 seems to be the norm.
* Wood was sentenced Tuesday to 39 months in prison and three years of supervised release for wire fraud, accessing a protected computer without authorization * to commit fraud, and aggravated identity theft. He was tried in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington.
Key word is "protected computer". Not sure how something sharing *.* on limewire is considered "protected". Guy needed a better lawyer.
Well of course it can. I can abuse a golf club by smacking you over the head with it, but generally I'm not too worried when I see someone with a golf club.
Mainly I was remarking on the fact that when I posted most people were spouting off "Oh man they're going to watch us watch TV to supress us!" as if that was the intended purpose of the device. The GGP got it correct in that the intended purpose of the device is probably in voluntary Nielson rating type situations. Jumping from that to "the government is going to force us to have one of these on at all times, 1984 1984!" is frankly ridiculous and a bit sad too.
I tend to react the same way when any article on a new technology instantly comments on what diabolical way terrorism will interact with it in our "post 9/11 society".
So yes, a golf club will eventually become a malicious tool in the hands of a raving maniac. It might also be used to play golf once in a while too.
What, are you kidding! That's way too sensible! As the other posters have surmised its an evil plot such that the cable operator can watch everything you do from their Skull Island fortress of doom!!!!!
Yes, because comparing a Volt to a motorcycle makes a ton of sense and isn't at all a strawman. Why not compare it with riding the bus, or getting on a bike? The guy has a car, he's in the market for a new car, and he's getting the Volt. Please compare within those parameters. Most compacts start in the teens these days, so the gas savings he's quoting start to make sense around a midrange, reasonably priced new car. This is not a loss, and that's one way to look at them.
By saying he should get a motorcycle you might as well say "New cars are a joke, they are a loss no matter how you look at them" because your argument could easily be used there as well. Of course, thats not at all the point of the discussion, so I don't see how your point is at all relevant.
In this work, we reveal that coating the inside of your car's tail pipe reacts with the metal to prevent tail pipe wevils, (Highly Infectious Vermin) from nesting and eventually breaking down your entire car's resistance from rust.
Ok, well, I might have overstepped saying "most PC games":). I do know there are a couple popular middleware packages that work this way (and hence any game based off them), and you'll see for certain if you set the test up with an XBOX that traffic will be addressed on the internal network. For PC titles one of the telltale signs will be if they ask you for an interface to work on - that means they're looking for the internal address to broadcast out.
Well if that's the case then you are certainly correct that LAN would be pretty much dead as indeed all packets would head to the gateway and back.
But I think you'd be wrong about not providing the infrastructure for "improved client experience" - there's a huge gain in the experience for a whole lot of "internet only" players by having a client server model. Pretty much you can eliminate a large range of cheats, make game updates without pushing client patches, solve NAT traversal issues almost entirely, and ensure players can't do silly thing like yank a cable or edit a NAT table when they're losing.
That said, there's a huge cost infrastructure here with servers and bandwidth, not to mention you need to host all over the world to reduce latency. Your points around subscriptions and piracy hold true, and unless they allow 3rd party servers or do-it-yourself servers the LAN party would be dead. But given the pluses/minuses and the lack of specific details on the matter I'd tend to give them the benefit of doubt before calling them a "sell out".
Generally yes, that's how it works. You are right about when matchmaking is down or your IP is down that you're screwed, but once the game starts you're pretty much on your own. There might be client anti-cheat stuff going on (like with Punkbuster) and the connection will have to be maintained with BNET, but the game data itself will be intranetwork. Given the amount of bandwidth it would suck up I doubt they want the cost of all those game packets when they can just look at the results reported after the game to see if someone is cheating.
(IAANABEBIDNEAABGC - I Am Not A Blizzard Employee But I Do Network Engineering At A Big Game Company)
Here's how it works for pretty much every console and PC game out there:
Each client sends up their external and internal IP address. the internal IP can be used for routing if the external IP matches. i.e. if you and your buddy hook up halo and play each other behind the same NAT, you do your matchmaking on XBL but your game packets never leave the network. You can sniff packets on your home network yourself to verify this. So unless Starcraft has suddenly become a client server game then your bandwidth is unaffected.
You can tell when someone is talking out of their ass too. Of course they know the LAN Ips, because the client has sent them up to the server. Most matchmakers work this way - you can discover if two people are behind the same IP and have the same address that they should connect internally. In fact you could even choose to ensure people are in the same game this way, but generally they'll already want to be anyways. The only time I've seen this become a problem is on a large corporate network (like say, at a large game corporation) with multiple gateway ips, but there's ways to discover that as well.
The fact is BNET will NOT be in the way after the initial match up. It just means that you'll always need an internet connection to play, and I'm willing to guess the large majority of LAN parties do have an internet connection.
Wait a sec - your family is _STILL_ playing over the LAN. Do you think that your packets are all going to Blizzard somehow and not just staying on the internal network? The only thing that you need to do is dial back home to Battle.NET for the matchmaking (and yes, probably the DRM, but you were going to buy copies for everyone anyways, right?). Unless you were planning on setting up a LAN party in the middle of the woods without any internet I see this as a moot point.
I prefer to think of them as a little taste of West Virginia three hours from the coast.
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I started when I was 7 or so in BASIC - at that time there was no way I was going to make anything as advanced as asteroids or frogger, but being able to write a "choose your own adventure" game with if loops and PRINT statements was pretty awesome to me. The first time I managed to make the speaker beep was an achievement.
Think about it this way - there are great works of art out there yet a child will spend hours and hours coloring and making stick figures. They don't seem to be discouraged by it at all. The process of doing and learning is its own reward.
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Thats a really cool system. I wonder, if you're using your bandwidth pretty heavily (say downloading a legally paid for movie :) does it prioritize the local traffic over the wifi?
And where do I sign up for the magical $20 contract? Show me one where I get the hours I need + internet (and oh yeah, in the US) and I'm there. Generally the ones without a contract are no better than the one with. It would make sense if plans seemed to go down over two years, but because of the lack of competition they don't. So in the end you might as well get the contract and the phone - you're paying out the nose either way.
93 and 2009 works too. The first time I saw the word "Internet" in major media it really was in quotes and was right around then. The web was still a few years from critical mass, and "Interactive Television" was still a buzzword. The fake Disney city or whatever they had setup promised any movie you wanted, but there was a guy on the other end with a hundred VCRs putting in tapes and basically acting as an old telephone switchboard operator.
Five years later and you could get a very crappy resolution but full length movie, or wait forever to download a real one but pretty much have no place to store it since it would fill up a good chunk of your HD.
Five years after that and you can bittorrent a movie at reasonable times, keep them around on your disk, etc.
Five years after that and I can start up my xbox, browse to pretty much anything I want and play it immediately on the TV.
Progress doesn't happen overnight. The airplane didn't just spring from nothingness - there were a lot of glider flights and trial and error before that. Same thing with roads or rocketry - it took a while to get it right and build out the infrastructure. The fact that I rarely write anything down in my job and work in very close contact with workers on my department team that live in multiple timezones is a testament to the IT revolution that's occurred in the last 50 years. The fact that we don't marvel at it is that we didn't just time warp here - it happened right in front of us.
Progress usually follows a ramping up period, then a large step of improvements, then a ramping off period where acceleration of progress is slower. I think its reasonable to say we're still somewhere in the "large improvement" phase of information technology, and just ramping up with biotech (with the IT revolution helping to spawn the biotech revolution).
No problem! Please inform us what year we should have stopped naming stuff and just stuck with the tried and true.
Sorry, progress doesn't stop because you want it to or are getting a little long in the tooth to learn new things.
Ok, but what is your impetus to go check to see what the reviews are? When you want to see a movie, is it more like:
"I want to see a movie, what's playing?"
or
"I want to see movie XYZ, what time is it playing?"
I'd suspect most people have a vague idea of what's out there and aren't blindly trying to figure out what movies are being played. I actually felt like there were more movies "I never heard of" when I first got a DVR simply because the ads weren't constantly in my face. We like to think everything happens word of mouth, and that we're all informed consumers, but I think denying the power of even "background" advertising is a little naive.
Did they ever use a regular tachyon beam? And why reconfigure that junk? Seems like tachyons were always the answer, so they should probably have just flown around with the tachyons blasting full tilt. They could have shown up anywhere, closed any hole in the space-time continuum, and been done with the mission in time for tea, earl grey, hot.
I think he meant "field of scientific study" which many would argue ID is not. Have there been any serious studies into ID - perhaps something that can be tested and see if it fits the model?
I dunno, even if you just stick to the downloadable stuff on 360 it seems like theres a lot of stuff out there for pretty reasonable prices. They're putting the downloadable full game stuff up there now for ~$30 or so, and theres a good number of smaller indie titles for 5-12. Sure, if you want to get Madden or CoD on launch day there's a premium, but PC titles on launch day aren't cheap either - $40-$60 seems to be the norm.
Well, Who was there with him.
I'm only speaking second hand, but I thought most flight control systems we're triple buffered with redundant, reimplemented systems to avoid this.
Apparently the prosecutor did not agree:
* Wood was sentenced Tuesday to 39 months in prison and three years of supervised release for wire fraud, accessing a protected computer without authorization
* to commit fraud, and aggravated identity theft. He was tried in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington.
Key word is "protected computer". Not sure how something sharing *.* on limewire is considered "protected". Guy needed a better lawyer.
Well of course it can. I can abuse a golf club by smacking you over the head with it, but generally I'm not too worried when I see someone with a golf club.
Mainly I was remarking on the fact that when I posted most people were spouting off "Oh man they're going to watch us watch TV to supress us!" as if that was the intended purpose of the device. The GGP got it correct in that the intended purpose of the device is probably in voluntary Nielson rating type situations. Jumping from that to "the government is going to force us to have one of these on at all times, 1984 1984!" is frankly ridiculous and a bit sad too.
I tend to react the same way when any article on a new technology instantly comments on what diabolical way terrorism will interact with it in our "post 9/11 society".
So yes, a golf club will eventually become a malicious tool in the hands of a raving maniac. It might also be used to play golf once in a while too.
What, are you kidding! That's way too sensible! As the other posters have surmised its an evil plot such that the cable operator can watch everything you do from their Skull Island fortress of doom!!!!!
Are you talking about the buttons in the toolbar or the fact that most web pages start rendering differently (or what some might call "correctly").
Yes, because comparing a Volt to a motorcycle makes a ton of sense and isn't at all a strawman. Why not compare it with riding the bus, or getting on a bike? The guy has a car, he's in the market for a new car, and he's getting the Volt. Please compare within those parameters. Most compacts start in the teens these days, so the gas savings he's quoting start to make sense around a midrange, reasonably priced new car. This is not a loss, and that's one way to look at them.
By saying he should get a motorcycle you might as well say "New cars are a joke, they are a loss no matter how you look at them" because your argument could easily be used there as well. Of course, thats not at all the point of the discussion, so I don't see how your point is at all relevant.
In this work, we reveal that coating the inside of your car's tail pipe reacts with the metal to prevent tail pipe wevils, (Highly Infectious Vermin) from nesting and eventually breaking down your entire car's resistance from rust.
Ok, well, I might have overstepped saying "most PC games" :). I do know there are a couple popular middleware packages that work this way (and hence any game based off them), and you'll see for certain if you set the test up with an XBOX that traffic will be addressed on the internal network. For PC titles one of the telltale signs will be if they ask you for an interface to work on - that means they're looking for the internal address to broadcast out.
Well if that's the case then you are certainly correct that LAN would be pretty much dead as indeed all packets would head to the gateway and back.
But I think you'd be wrong about not providing the infrastructure for "improved client experience" - there's a huge gain in the experience for a whole lot of "internet only" players by having a client server model. Pretty much you can eliminate a large range of cheats, make game updates without pushing client patches, solve NAT traversal issues almost entirely, and ensure players can't do silly thing like yank a cable or edit a NAT table when they're losing.
That said, there's a huge cost infrastructure here with servers and bandwidth, not to mention you need to host all over the world to reduce latency. Your points around subscriptions and piracy hold true, and unless they allow 3rd party servers or do-it-yourself servers the LAN party would be dead. But given the pluses/minuses and the lack of specific details on the matter I'd tend to give them the benefit of doubt before calling them a "sell out".
Generally yes, that's how it works. You are right about when matchmaking is down or your IP is down that you're screwed, but once the game starts you're pretty much on your own. There might be client anti-cheat stuff going on (like with Punkbuster) and the connection will have to be maintained with BNET, but the game data itself will be intranetwork. Given the amount of bandwidth it would suck up I doubt they want the cost of all those game packets when they can just look at the results reported after the game to see if someone is cheating.
(IAANABEBIDNEAABGC - I Am Not A Blizzard Employee But I Do Network Engineering At A Big Game Company)
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Here's how it works for pretty much every console and PC game out there:
Each client sends up their external and internal IP address. the internal IP can be used for routing if the external IP matches. i.e. if you and your buddy hook up halo and play each other behind the same NAT, you do your matchmaking on XBL but your game packets never leave the network. You can sniff packets on your home network yourself to verify this. So unless Starcraft has suddenly become a client server game then your bandwidth is unaffected.
You can tell when someone is talking out of their ass too. Of course they know the LAN Ips, because the client has sent them up to the server. Most matchmakers work this way - you can discover if two people are behind the same IP and have the same address that they should connect internally. In fact you could even choose to ensure people are in the same game this way, but generally they'll already want to be anyways. The only time I've seen this become a problem is on a large corporate network (like say, at a large game corporation) with multiple gateway ips, but there's ways to discover that as well.
The fact is BNET will NOT be in the way after the initial match up. It just means that you'll always need an internet connection to play, and I'm willing to guess the large majority of LAN parties do have an internet connection.
Wait a sec - your family is _STILL_ playing over the LAN. Do you think that your packets are all going to Blizzard somehow and not just staying on the internal network? The only thing that you need to do is dial back home to Battle.NET for the matchmaking (and yes, probably the DRM, but you were going to buy copies for everyone anyways, right?). Unless you were planning on setting up a LAN party in the middle of the woods without any internet I see this as a moot point.
Dude, because they're totally like EVIL. Didn't you watch Captain Planet? They're total goal is to destroy the earth because they are BAD.
I prefer to think of them as a little taste of West Virginia three hours from the coast.
I started when I was 7 or so in BASIC - at that time there was no way I was going to make anything as advanced as asteroids or frogger, but being able to write a "choose your own adventure" game with if loops and PRINT statements was pretty awesome to me. The first time I managed to make the speaker beep was an achievement.
Think about it this way - there are great works of art out there yet a child will spend hours and hours coloring and making stick figures. They don't seem to be discouraged by it at all. The process of doing and learning is its own reward.