Well said - personal responsibility is seemingly lacking everywhere these days. People's perceptions are never going to change and that's just how it is. The only variable you can change in life is you.
Despite your narrow view one can release OSS on non-Linux platforms. OSS != Linux. No one, not even Microsoft, can "destroy" linux - its too corporate now and has as much backing as Windows. This isn't about "driving people away from OSS" - its about "driving people to Windows with OSS". Or to put it another way, why are you so offended that OSS could exist within the Windows world? Or OSX for that matter?
Its a scientific term referring to the compounds used. Given the speaker, audience, and context it makes perfect sense. Not everything has to be co-opted by marketing bullshit.
You apparently have never worked in a large company before. There were probably 27 meetings before someone high enough up the food chain stuck their neck out to say "ok". We're talking about opensourcing code from a company that generally doesn't do it. Legal was involved, top executives were involved, someone had to talk to PR about spinning a press release, etc etc. This isn't like some dev got emailed and said, "Shit! I better get that posted right away!"
Haven't people been yelling about for years how you can make money with open source? Maybe someone at MS believed them. Despite the general feeling that MS is "out to get you", a company is made up of people, and is not a big bad menace who does evil for evils sake. MS as a corporate entity has exactly one goal (the same as any other company) - make money for its investors. If they can make more money with open source then why is it a surprise they would pursue that avenue?
"If Microsoft wants to make money, they need to get creative."
My point was I think they have gotten creative. I think they have embraced the homebrew scene, far more than the other console manufactures. I think one of the reason's you haven't seen a concentrated attempt to run arbitrary code on the system is that MS gave a very nice, officially supported way to hack the box to make homebrew games. Can you turn the 360 into a webserver? Probably not, but I think what they've done is a nice compromise as opposed to "lock it down and sue everyone". The fact that they've taken it a step further and provided a distribution channel for the games so you can easily see what hobbyists have done is another positive step.
As for the pirates, well, this doesn't stop pirated games - it stops the boxes from going online. I agree with you that the current chip does not stifle innovation - I'm sure it loses some dollars, but obviously less than they claim. I can definitely say that the mods they cracked down on are not mods that _promote_ innovation. The only thing they can do is play backup copies of titles - how does that encourage innovation?
Its not even cheaters since there's no modding titles - no one has cracked the signed code on the discs, so its purely to stop "backups". I'll give people the benefit of the doubt, and it would be slightly more convenient to not load the disc in the machine even when its already on the harddrive through the "load to disc" feature. But if anyone seriously thinks these folks aren't ripping games, you gotta be kidding yourself.
Just as MS embraced the modding scene with the 360. You think they completely ignored how popular XMBC or homebrew was on Xbox 1? Again, no one is modifying these boxes to run any arbitrary code - that hasn't been done yet, you're thinking of Xbox1 - these are strictly chips that let "backups" run on the box. The only ones hurt here are the ultra creative "backup" scenesters, which we all know have created a whole lot and done tons for the world. Today the world sheds a tear for their loss!
There's a large, officially supported homebrew scene on XBL. They even have a channel to publish your games and get paid for them. There's a lot of officially published info on the system, including getting into the graphics hardware and creating networked games. There's not a whole lot you can't do with their system other than not writing managed code (which may/may not be a big deal depending on what you're doing). I'd say the main intent here is to get rid of pirates.
I don't believe there's any arbitrary code execution on 360, so I don't think there are mods. Not that I've gone looking for them, so its quite possible.
Right, because people have stopped going to the movies. That's why, after all this stealing, box office records (even after inflation) continue to rise. I'm sure they'll just close up shop and move on because the nerds will have won.
Its also a good place to organize raves and that type of thing, and is generally free from these AOL newbs that seem to be cropping up more and more on the World Wide Web. But anyways, on other topics I hear 1997 is going to be the year of the linux desktop.
Two words: used games. You can't sell a digitally downloaded game back after you've played it. A game store will take a box title back. Though I guess if there were digital download rentals that would put another nail in the coffin.
I think he was using typical US-centric boogeymen. If it was Cultural Revolution China your list would be the one to consider.
I think the interesting bias here is that his original comment didn't say anything about "moralists", but you added them in to the hit list. I guess that means communists, homosexuals, and atheists are immoralists in your Book?
The thing is, we're rapidly approaching the point where legal downloads are outlasting illegal ones. This month alone I've gotten three games of xbox live which probably totaled 8-10GB of data, not to mention probably 15-20 hours of legal streaming video off netflix, hulu, etc. But hey, lock me up for being a criminal. Hey Australia, 2001 called and they're jealous of your awesome internet!
What the industry really needs to normalize is the "secondary" market. Instead of preventing used game sales, take a hint from the book publishing industry and _promise_ a price cut by releasing a "paperback" version (maybe downloadable?). Not only does it service people like yourself who are willing to wait longer to pay less, you get a second wave of hype for the title - "now in 'paperback'"
Well, I'm guessing it flips around and you can hold it like a laptop - maybe use the lower screen for typing (which would probably be miserable). What would be really cool is if the second screen could go all the way around like a spiral notbook, so it holds the form factor of a single screen device.
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Well said - personal responsibility is seemingly lacking everywhere these days. People's perceptions are never going to change and that's just how it is. The only variable you can change in life is you.
Check off humorless and touchy as well!
Its probably cheaper than the starbucks coffee too.
Despite your narrow view one can release OSS on non-Linux platforms. OSS != Linux. No one, not even Microsoft, can "destroy" linux - its too corporate now and has as much backing as Windows. This isn't about "driving people away from OSS" - its about "driving people to Windows with OSS". Or to put it another way, why are you so offended that OSS could exist within the Windows world? Or OSX for that matter?
You forgot "Love it or Leave it!" and my personal favorite "Ass Grass or Cash, Nobody Rides Free"!
What are you hauling these days?
Its a scientific term referring to the compounds used. Given the speaker, audience, and context it makes perfect sense. Not everything has to be co-opted by marketing bullshit.
You apparently have never worked in a large company before. There were probably 27 meetings before someone high enough up the food chain stuck their neck out to say "ok". We're talking about opensourcing code from a company that generally doesn't do it. Legal was involved, top executives were involved, someone had to talk to PR about spinning a press release, etc etc. This isn't like some dev got emailed and said, "Shit! I better get that posted right away!"
Hey man, information wants to be free. What, you didn't think that applied to YOUR information?
Haven't people been yelling about for years how you can make money with open source? Maybe someone at MS believed them. Despite the general feeling that MS is "out to get you", a company is made up of people, and is not a big bad menace who does evil for evils sake. MS as a corporate entity has exactly one goal (the same as any other company) - make money for its investors. If they can make more money with open source then why is it a surprise they would pursue that avenue?
Interesting. Could a similar system be used for HD?
"If Microsoft wants to make money, they need to get creative."
My point was I think they have gotten creative. I think they have embraced the homebrew scene, far more than the other console manufactures. I think one of the reason's you haven't seen a concentrated attempt to run arbitrary code on the system is that MS gave a very nice, officially supported way to hack the box to make homebrew games. Can you turn the 360 into a webserver? Probably not, but I think what they've done is a nice compromise as opposed to "lock it down and sue everyone". The fact that they've taken it a step further and provided a distribution channel for the games so you can easily see what hobbyists have done is another positive step.
As for the pirates, well, this doesn't stop pirated games - it stops the boxes from going online. I agree with you that the current chip does not stifle innovation - I'm sure it loses some dollars, but obviously less than they claim. I can definitely say that the mods they cracked down on are not mods that _promote_ innovation. The only thing they can do is play backup copies of titles - how does that encourage innovation?
Useful, but make sure no one is right in front of you when you get to four or they might punch you.
Its not even cheaters since there's no modding titles - no one has cracked the signed code on the discs, so its purely to stop "backups". I'll give people the benefit of the doubt, and it would be slightly more convenient to not load the disc in the machine even when its already on the harddrive through the "load to disc" feature. But if anyone seriously thinks these folks aren't ripping games, you gotta be kidding yourself.
Just as MS embraced the modding scene with the 360. You think they completely ignored how popular XMBC or homebrew was on Xbox 1? Again, no one is modifying these boxes to run any arbitrary code - that hasn't been done yet, you're thinking of Xbox1 - these are strictly chips that let "backups" run on the box. The only ones hurt here are the ultra creative "backup" scenesters, which we all know have created a whole lot and done tons for the world. Today the world sheds a tear for their loss!
There's a large, officially supported homebrew scene on XBL. They even have a channel to publish your games and get paid for them. There's a lot of officially published info on the system, including getting into the graphics hardware and creating networked games. There's not a whole lot you can't do with their system other than not writing managed code (which may/may not be a big deal depending on what you're doing). I'd say the main intent here is to get rid of pirates.
I don't believe there's any arbitrary code execution on 360, so I don't think there are mods. Not that I've gone looking for them, so its quite possible.
Right, because people have stopped going to the movies. That's why, after all this stealing, box office records (even after inflation) continue to rise. I'm sure they'll just close up shop and move on because the nerds will have won.
Its also a good place to organize raves and that type of thing, and is generally free from these AOL newbs that seem to be cropping up more and more on the World Wide Web. But anyways, on other topics I hear 1997 is going to be the year of the linux desktop.
Please, that's the least of your problems. Last time I visited everyone was on the wrong fucking side of the road!
Two words: used games. You can't sell a digitally downloaded game back after you've played it. A game store will take a box title back. Though I guess if there were digital download rentals that would put another nail in the coffin.
> but less difficult than naturally breeding a man-bear-pig
Difficult sure, but fun? You betcha!
I think he was using typical US-centric boogeymen. If it was Cultural Revolution China your list would be the one to consider.
I think the interesting bias here is that his original comment didn't say anything about "moralists", but you added them in to the hit list. I guess that means communists, homosexuals, and atheists are immoralists in your Book?
The thing is, we're rapidly approaching the point where legal downloads are outlasting illegal ones. This month alone I've gotten three games of xbox live which probably totaled 8-10GB of data, not to mention probably 15-20 hours of legal streaming video off netflix, hulu, etc. But hey, lock me up for being a criminal. Hey Australia, 2001 called and they're jealous of your awesome internet!
What the industry really needs to normalize is the "secondary" market. Instead of preventing used game sales, take a hint from the book publishing industry and _promise_ a price cut by releasing a "paperback" version (maybe downloadable?). Not only does it service people like yourself who are willing to wait longer to pay less, you get a second wave of hype for the title - "now in 'paperback'"
Well, I'm guessing it flips around and you can hold it like a laptop - maybe use the lower screen for typing (which would probably be miserable). What would be really cool is if the second screen could go all the way around like a spiral notbook, so it holds the form factor of a single screen device.
And as for upper management, I think the thinking goes more like: Apple has a single screen tablet device? Fuck it, we're doing two screens!