...in contrast to the article on Newsforge where Gael Duval says (paraphrased) "There is really no problem, but we're working to fix it". And to the guy whining about this being bad for Open Source and Free software...you're a bigger doofus than Gael Duval. To succeed at becoming the primary Server/Desktop OS/App/whatever, OSS doesn't have to make money for companies trying to modify and sell it based on a pretty install or nice out-of-box configuration....it just has to work as good or better than its commercial brotheren. I design and install Linux based systems for my customers. I make a lot of money doing so. I have bought maybe half-a-dozen commercially packaged distros in my life (only in cases where the customer wants the crappy books). Odd...I use free software and yet, I make money. Why you ask? Becuase I am adding value. Mandrake, RedHat, etc. are all in the business of adding value to the software in terms of "polishing" it. If people want what Mandrake did/does in terms of "polishing" and can't manage to do it themselves then they'll buy it. This would lead me to believe that either people don't want it or are doing it themselves.
I will ALWAYS buy good 'ole ink and pulp as I much prefer reading them. For reference I much prefer the searchability and rapid access of electronic (and the ability to carry a bunch of them on my handheld). I have gone so far as to "un-bind" some of my favorites, scan them and OCR/index them so that I can search them electronically. Then I have to go buy another copy to replace the one I destroyed. No more! I say hurray for this. Now I just hope these books don't suck.
Wow! Cool...someone looking for exactly what my company does. Give is a look at Premier Networks
We set up many of our systems for secure remote administration as a lot of our customers simply want us to handle it. We are not a hardware shop, we are a professional services company and our prices reflect that fact (they are extremely competetive).
My desire here isn't to argue with you. I guess I am somewhat lost as your reply has reiterated a number of my points (as well as again having made a couple of incorrect assumptions about my socio-political views). Anyway, I've enjoyed the exchange.
ER
So, did you read my post or just skim over it and reply to a few key words rather than to the point I was making? I especially like your "If you want to buy a red, white, and blue Palladium-disabled CPU from AMD or Intel on which Linux might not run, go for it." Moron. My criticism was specific to two things:
1. The Chinese government overall.
2. The LACK of openness that exists in virtually all that they (the Chinese gov't.) do.
The second of those two criticisms is something that the US is barreling headlong toward as well (as you pointed out but mistakenly assumed that I support). In reality NO benefit can come from this except for those in power. Given that (which you are welcome to disagree with), combining this approach with a government that is "already there" in terms of totalitarianism is very, very bad.
To claim that what China is doing is akin to what was done by capitalists in the early 1900's is simply insane. If a communist and a capitalist both rob a convenience store, are they both ideologically the same? Of course not. Just because a communist and a capitalist commit the same egregious wrong (sweat shops in this case) has no correlation as to their respective ideologies.
While we're on the topic, could someone please fill me in as to when capatalism became evil? Last time I checked is was about free markets, competition and individuality. Can it be misused? Of course, and when it is we put a stop to it (or at least we should though it would seem we do so less and less of late, ie. Microsoft).
Just my two cents, feel free to disagree, but not to put words in my mouth.
ER
"While I think such an audacious effort is most certainly commendable,..."
Oh for Pete's sake. Here we have a communist government that is the complete antithesis of all things open and free and the fact that they are making a crap processor (and probably making 10 year-old girls work fourteen hour days to produce them (China
) is commendable. Step away from your keyboard and think for a few minutes folks. Making homebrew processors is not ideological. Killing people for disagreeing with you is. What is commendable here?
ER
Thank you, and well said. I personally own a small technology business that developes turnkey and custom systems (primarily in the medical market) based on Open Source software (shameless plug:
). The FSF is charged with "getting the word out" and can do so much more effectively and on a larger scale than I can. I do my part locally, and I support the FSF (yes, I am a member) to do the same nationally. The single biggest impedement to sales (as is true with any kind of technology product or service) is ignorance on the part of the customer. Where a commercial products pimp would try to overcome this with glossy flyers, smooth talking sales people, etc...we try to overcome it with knowledge transfer, education, etc. We offer classes, lectures, etc. on Open Source and how it can truly benefit a business, interact with commercial software and such. The FSF is a very important organization, and one worth supporting (presently). As a matter of fact, when we sell a system we include a 1 year FSF membership. Just my $.02, all naysayers welcome.
ER
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Normally I don't reply to trolls, but I couldn't reisist asking you to qualify your statement. I await your answer with eager anticipation as I have obviously been living in the dark all of these years, oblivious to the fact that Open Source and UNIX are to blame for spam. Wow! What's will they "discover" next, stupidity causes cancer? Not until after you reply I hope.
ER
Zero! Flamebait...give me a break. I work in IT in the medical/legal industry and I DO have to be bonded for exactly this reason. I was presenting a very real option.
ER
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...but I am going to anyway. There are a handful of very feasible ideas out there for stopping spam. Permission to send systems. Systems that require a token to be processed with each message sent (sending a message is trivial, sending millions of messages at once requires a server farm doing nothing but processing tokens). The list goes on (probably considerably longer than I realize). I hoenstly think it is simply a matter of time until the Open Source community begins implementing this and the rest of the industry follows. Now, lets get hopping.
...and let them watch a short video on what rights they won't have if they have their bond is "called in" that includes footage of their ride home to Jersey from L.A. in the trunk of a car while the Bail/Bond agents hit every pothole in sight all while bleeding from every orifice(sp?).
ER
I will happily continue using SuSE 8.1 running Crossover Office (or just WINE) + TightVNC. I have used it in place of Windows 2000 Terminal Services in two production projects thus far and the customers love it. Don't get me wrong, I like what they have done with server edition as I believe it will appeal to the "enterprise" class customers who feel that money spent equals money well spent. Kudos to the guys at CodeWeavers. Crossover Office is spectacular.
I absolutely agree. I was not intending to cast aspersions at PostgreSQL, just making a little funny. I am waiting with bated breath for the ported version to be released as I am dying to use Compiere but can't spend the bucks on Oracle.
ER
Well said. Its a question of economics...getting the most bang for the buck. Could $2 billion have a more posotive or lasting effect if invested into other open source projects or in OSing Rational? I guess the answer depends on your perspective.
Wow...the Cukoo's Egg. What a great book (if you haven't read it, you should). I read that just before heading off to college just after (like the day it hit to store) it was published (man, has it been that long). I contacted Cliff (the author) via e-mail and had ongoing "conversations" with him. He introduced me to lots of others who introduced...you get the idea. I later worked with the Fed on early (1990-91'ish) commercial Internet security projects. Man, that was a fun time on the Internet...things have changed soooo much. Sheesh, here I am in the "way-back" machine and I'm only 30. I'm in BIG trouble. Oh well, it's fun to have "been there".
Stable??!?!?! XP??? In all seriousness, I have found XP to be terrible both in general speed (crispness, responsiveness to clicks, etc.) and stability (especially in an environment where the machine is pushed hard). We just did (I own a healthcare IT company) our first full roll-out using XP Professional (New Dell 1.8GHz desktops with XP) and ended up down-grading every machine to 2000 Professional. The users had been on Windows 98 and complained incessintly that their applications were half the speed they used to be (on much slower machines I might add). The truth of the matter is that they were correct. As an experiment we blew away two of the new Dell's and installed 98/2000 on them respectively. Their apps (electronic medical records system, document management system, billing system, Office, etc.) side-by-side were significantly faster on the older OSs. 98 was a smidge faster than 2K but we used 2K for HIPAA compliance reasons. There's a little real-world experience for what it's worth.
Ummmm...let's see. The medical market (which I am up to my ears in) will eat these things up by the thousands. In the past we have used Clios, Tri-Pads, even the big, heavy Viewsonic Viewpads (which double as hotplates). If this thing works (as in powers on and boots to a Linux desktop) I'll buy them by the hundreds. It should run cool (Crusoe) and be easily replacable (becuase it's not a matter of if it will get dropped but when so the low cost is a BIG deal), and do what needs to be done (VNC over SSH). Woo hoo!!!
Hardley. The "WDSL" as Wireless World calls it is a VERY poorly implemented MMDS network. It's original intention was for wireless "cable" TV and data and phone, etc. Problem is, the company that designed and installed the network for them did a crap job and abonded it, and WW knows nothing about it. Just my $.02. The links we are putting in (we being Premier Networks, you may have heard our commercials on "The Mongoose" or one of the other stations down there, or you may know Don Ebner, my business partner who is on island full time) are more just for play. We want to interconnect the islands just becuase. We figure once we do, someone will want to use some bandwidth. We have already done the system (don't have a permanent one in place) using mod'd Linksys APs and VPN routers. Cost almost nothing. Anyway, be happy to help you out any way we can. I'm game for putting in a competing wireless ISP, though many have talked about doing so...none have to date. Wireless World is over capacity on their current network, and I don't think they can expand. We are also putting in a wireless MAN in Judith's Fancy (where Don lives). You can reach me via e-mail as well. Just go to our home page to get the address (www.premiernetworks.net). Where on StX are you?
I've done 64 miles personally. I also know of a guy on the "big island" in Hawaii doing 84 miles (IIRC). We will be doing some links down in the US Virgin Islands in a couple of months (once it gets real cold here in Missouri;) ).
Just a note. The C3 is not the least bit new. Cyrix processors have been around as long as AMD (Via bought Cyrix from IBM, the C in C3 signifies Cyrix).
Let me first say that I am not a Church of Linux zealot. Yes, I prefer Linux in most circumstances, simply where it works better. What strikes me about the parent post and various replies is the similarity in terminology (no stupid, not the fact that they all talk about tablet PCs). I smell a "panel poster". Maybe I'm just paranoid, but come on, seriously, a room full of people cheering a product (okay, maybe at MacWorld). The mere fact that this is pointed out and that it is added that included in the screaming fans were Linux folks. Hey, I'm probably wrong.
Nope. My wife is a SaH mom and I live on a cul-de-sac. With the neighbors I have (who all envy my mower) I could probably get the license plate of every car that comes by during the day. Well, my 110lb. Rott helps too.;)
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...in contrast to the article on Newsforge where Gael Duval says (paraphrased) "There is really no problem, but we're working to fix it". And to the guy whining about this being bad for Open Source and Free software...you're a bigger doofus than Gael Duval. To succeed at becoming the primary Server/Desktop OS/App/whatever, OSS doesn't have to make money for companies trying to modify and sell it based on a pretty install or nice out-of-box configuration....it just has to work as good or better than its commercial brotheren. I design and install Linux based systems for my customers. I make a lot of money doing so. I have bought maybe half-a-dozen commercially packaged distros in my life (only in cases where the customer wants the crappy books). Odd...I use free software and yet, I make money. Why you ask? Becuase I am adding value. Mandrake, RedHat, etc. are all in the business of adding value to the software in terms of "polishing" it. If people want what Mandrake did/does in terms of "polishing" and can't manage to do it themselves then they'll buy it. This would lead me to believe that either people don't want it or are doing it themselves.
...for the seventh time? Yeah......whaaaaat-evr (in my best Squidward voice).
Suddenly living "In a van...by the river!!!!" takes on a posotive connotation.
I will ALWAYS buy good 'ole ink and pulp as I much prefer reading them. For reference I much prefer the searchability and rapid access of electronic (and the ability to carry a bunch of them on my handheld). I have gone so far as to "un-bind" some of my favorites, scan them and OCR/index them so that I can search them electronically. Then I have to go buy another copy to replace the one I destroyed. No more! I say hurray for this. Now I just hope these books don't suck.
Wow! Cool...someone looking for exactly what my company does. Give is a look at Premier Networks
We set up many of our systems for secure remote administration as a lot of our customers simply want us to handle it. We are not a hardware shop, we are a professional services company and our prices reflect that fact (they are extremely competetive).
My desire here isn't to argue with you. I guess I am somewhat lost as your reply has reiterated a number of my points (as well as again having made a couple of incorrect assumptions about my socio-political views). Anyway, I've enjoyed the exchange. ER
So, did you read my post or just skim over it and reply to a few key words rather than to the point I was making? I especially like your "If you want to buy a red, white, and blue Palladium-disabled CPU from AMD or Intel on which Linux might not run, go for it." Moron. My criticism was specific to two things: 1. The Chinese government overall. 2. The LACK of openness that exists in virtually all that they (the Chinese gov't.) do. The second of those two criticisms is something that the US is barreling headlong toward as well (as you pointed out but mistakenly assumed that I support). In reality NO benefit can come from this except for those in power. Given that (which you are welcome to disagree with), combining this approach with a government that is "already there" in terms of totalitarianism is very, very bad. To claim that what China is doing is akin to what was done by capitalists in the early 1900's is simply insane. If a communist and a capitalist both rob a convenience store, are they both ideologically the same? Of course not. Just because a communist and a capitalist commit the same egregious wrong (sweat shops in this case) has no correlation as to their respective ideologies. While we're on the topic, could someone please fill me in as to when capatalism became evil? Last time I checked is was about free markets, competition and individuality. Can it be misused? Of course, and when it is we put a stop to it (or at least we should though it would seem we do so less and less of late, ie. Microsoft). Just my two cents, feel free to disagree, but not to put words in my mouth. ER
"While I think such an audacious effort is most certainly commendable,..." Oh for Pete's sake. Here we have a communist government that is the complete antithesis of all things open and free and the fact that they are making a crap processor (and probably making 10 year-old girls work fourteen hour days to produce them (China ) is commendable. Step away from your keyboard and think for a few minutes folks. Making homebrew processors is not ideological. Killing people for disagreeing with you is. What is commendable here? ER
Premier Networks
). The FSF is charged with "getting the word out" and can do so much more effectively and on a larger scale than I can. I do my part locally, and I support the FSF (yes, I am a member) to do the same nationally. The single biggest impedement to sales (as is true with any kind of technology product or service) is ignorance on the part of the customer. Where a commercial products pimp would try to overcome this with glossy flyers, smooth talking sales people, etc...we try to overcome it with knowledge transfer, education, etc. We offer classes, lectures, etc. on Open Source and how it can truly benefit a business, interact with commercial software and such. The FSF is a very important organization, and one worth supporting (presently). As a matter of fact, when we sell a system we include a 1 year FSF membership. Just my $.02, all naysayers welcome. ERNormally I don't reply to trolls, but I couldn't reisist asking you to qualify your statement. I await your answer with eager anticipation as I have obviously been living in the dark all of these years, oblivious to the fact that Open Source and UNIX are to blame for spam. Wow! What's will they "discover" next, stupidity causes cancer? Not until after you reply I hope. ER
Zero! Flamebait...give me a break. I work in IT in the medical/legal industry and I DO have to be bonded for exactly this reason. I was presenting a very real option. ER
...but I am going to anyway. There are a handful of very feasible ideas out there for stopping spam. Permission to send systems. Systems that require a token to be processed with each message sent (sending a message is trivial, sending millions of messages at once requires a server farm doing nothing but processing tokens). The list goes on (probably considerably longer than I realize). I hoenstly think it is simply a matter of time until the Open Source community begins implementing this and the rest of the industry follows. Now, lets get hopping.
ER
...and let them watch a short video on what rights they won't have if they have their bond is "called in" that includes footage of their ride home to Jersey from L.A. in the trunk of a car while the Bail/Bond agents hit every pothole in sight all while bleeding from every orifice(sp?). ER
I will happily continue using SuSE 8.1 running Crossover Office (or just WINE) + TightVNC. I have used it in place of Windows 2000 Terminal Services in two production projects thus far and the customers love it. Don't get me wrong, I like what they have done with server edition as I believe it will appeal to the "enterprise" class customers who feel that money spent equals money well spent. Kudos to the guys at CodeWeavers. Crossover Office is spectacular.
ER
I absolutely agree. I was not intending to cast aspersions at PostgreSQL, just making a little funny. I am waiting with bated breath for the ported version to be released as I am dying to use Compiere but can't spend the bucks on Oracle. ER
And hey, since Compiere requires Oracle, you won't have any money to worry about keeping track of!
Well said. Its a question of economics...getting the most bang for the buck. Could $2 billion have a more posotive or lasting effect if invested into other open source projects or in OSing Rational? I guess the answer depends on your perspective.
Wow...the Cukoo's Egg. What a great book (if you haven't read it, you should). I read that just before heading off to college just after (like the day it hit to store) it was published (man, has it been that long). I contacted Cliff (the author) via e-mail and had ongoing "conversations" with him. He introduced me to lots of others who introduced...you get the idea. I later worked with the Fed on early (1990-91'ish) commercial Internet security projects. Man, that was a fun time on the Internet...things have changed soooo much. Sheesh, here I am in the "way-back" machine and I'm only 30. I'm in BIG trouble. Oh well, it's fun to have "been there".
Stable??!?!?! XP??? In all seriousness, I have found XP to be terrible both in general speed (crispness, responsiveness to clicks, etc.) and stability (especially in an environment where the machine is pushed hard). We just did (I own a healthcare IT company) our first full roll-out using XP Professional (New Dell 1.8GHz desktops with XP) and ended up down-grading every machine to 2000 Professional. The users had been on Windows 98 and complained incessintly that their applications were half the speed they used to be (on much slower machines I might add). The truth of the matter is that they were correct. As an experiment we blew away two of the new Dell's and installed 98/2000 on them respectively. Their apps (electronic medical records system, document management system, billing system, Office, etc.) side-by-side were significantly faster on the older OSs. 98 was a smidge faster than 2K but we used 2K for HIPAA compliance reasons. There's a little real-world experience for what it's worth.
ER
Ummmm...let's see. The medical market (which I am up to my ears in) will eat these things up by the thousands. In the past we have used Clios, Tri-Pads, even the big, heavy Viewsonic Viewpads (which double as hotplates). If this thing works (as in powers on and boots to a Linux desktop) I'll buy them by the hundreds. It should run cool (Crusoe) and be easily replacable (becuase it's not a matter of if it will get dropped but when so the low cost is a BIG deal), and do what needs to be done (VNC over SSH). Woo hoo!!!
Hardley. The "WDSL" as Wireless World calls it is a VERY poorly implemented MMDS network. It's original intention was for wireless "cable" TV and data and phone, etc. Problem is, the company that designed and installed the network for them did a crap job and abonded it, and WW knows nothing about it. Just my $.02. The links we are putting in (we being Premier Networks, you may have heard our commercials on "The Mongoose" or one of the other stations down there, or you may know Don Ebner, my business partner who is on island full time) are more just for play. We want to interconnect the islands just becuase. We figure once we do, someone will want to use some bandwidth. We have already done the system (don't have a permanent one in place) using mod'd Linksys APs and VPN routers. Cost almost nothing. Anyway, be happy to help you out any way we can. I'm game for putting in a competing wireless ISP, though many have talked about doing so...none have to date. Wireless World is over capacity on their current network, and I don't think they can expand. We are also putting in a wireless MAN in Judith's Fancy (where Don lives). You can reach me via e-mail as well. Just go to our home page to get the address (www.premiernetworks.net). Where on StX are you?
ER
I've done 64 miles personally. I also know of a guy on the "big island" in Hawaii doing 84 miles (IIRC). We will be doing some links down in the US Virgin Islands in a couple of months (once it gets real cold here in Missouri ;) ).
ER
Just a note. The C3 is not the least bit new. Cyrix processors have been around as long as AMD (Via bought Cyrix from IBM, the C in C3 signifies Cyrix).
Let me first say that I am not a Church of Linux zealot. Yes, I prefer Linux in most circumstances, simply where it works better. What strikes me about the parent post and various replies is the similarity in terminology (no stupid, not the fact that they all talk about tablet PCs). I smell a "panel poster". Maybe I'm just paranoid, but come on, seriously, a room full of people cheering a product (okay, maybe at MacWorld). The mere fact that this is pointed out and that it is added that included in the screaming fans were Linux folks. Hey, I'm probably wrong.
Nope. My wife is a SaH mom and I live on a cul-de-sac. With the neighbors I have (who all envy my mower) I could probably get the license plate of every car that comes by during the day. Well, my 110lb. Rott helps too. ;)