"launch launch launch pop pop pop" could mean the following :
1) the EU possibly starts (possibly collaboration with the Chinese) to destroy all US satellite, including KH and GPS one.
2) all intellectual property of the US are forfeited
3) the US lose ANY support whatsoever. For a VERY long time. And it find itself isolated politically, and as much isolated economically as the world can bear (I doubt there is anything the US physically produce which could not be produced/built over a few month/years in another part of the world)
4) escalation of conflict in nuclear war. Remember, some country in EU still have the same nasty nuke that you have. Then we have 2 sets of loser (EU/US) and one winner : the rest of the world.
Anybody which think that the US can kill any satellite of the EU or China because they dislike it, should have its head examinated, because there would be pretty hefty consequence.
for the last few months, if I have bittorent traffic, even at a very low bandwidth consumption, once I try slashdot or any other web site, I get a "navigation interrupted" or a lot of "bad header" error and various connection lost. Refreshing after a while bring the web page. Going 5 minutes after ward to work I get an immediate display of the web page. This is not happening once, but every day.
In Genesis, the earth is created (1:1) before light (1:3), sun and stars (1:16); birds and whales (1:21) before reptiles and insects (1:24); and flowering plants (1:11) before any animals (1:20). The order of events known from science is in each case just the opposite.
A few clarification why it is not the correct order :
1) Bird were certainly late at the party after the reptile were created.
2) Sun and star were certainly created before planet and earth (heavy element were created in novae IIRC)
3) Whales are mammalians, a late addition to the animal worlds. Certainly came after the reptilians and insects.
4) more damning as said above angiosperm are a late addition only 130+ million year old roughly
Quote : "
2. Go throgh a textbook on evolution with the list you wrote in step one and you will discover something very odd. Same order." Only if you don't know when flower came into the evolutionary tree, ignore that whale are mammals, ignore that byrd are late addition too, ignore basic astronomy. Oh well anyway let us ignore science altogether , and you are right
Although as a scientific I will be the first to agree that a lot is open because we don't have any evidence to start a theory on, the example you chose are not very good :
"Science can't explain how the 20 amino acids we require to exist form on their own" : some experience were used to create many of those amino acid under abiogenic condition, if not all amino acid. The oldest of those is the miller-urey experiment which created 2 or 3 type of amino acid.
", nor how they combine and fold themselves into the hundreds of various proteins we require to function," we do know how amino acid are added at the end of a protein chains, AFAIK with the ribosome in the body. We do also know why protein fold in 3d and why this is important to their function. We do know how they evolved. What we don't know is how to predict function and form of a random protein from their amino acid constituent. We don't "know" either how the first protein looked like, although we have pretty good idea with polymerisation / physical globule formation of long amino acid and carbon chains.
" nor why all the thousands of processes that occur within a cell occur. This all appears to happen "just for the hell of it" mmmmh. Care to tell us what many of the 1000 process biologist says what they are for and just occurs for the heck of it ? Cite please a few dozen specific one. Because it looks like strawman.
"So even in the oldest context, Evolution fits fine with the Bible." which would somehow say that the bible is the mass to measure everything on it.
So it should read "the bible stories can be made fit with evolution (which we know to be a very successful theory at explaining all life today as we know it)". It is not that evolution fits, it is that the bible is interpreted in the light of evolution.
When you reach the point that you burn at the stake 5 years old kids for witchcraft (well, they "mercifully" strangled them before burning them) then one could argue that even for the epoch they went beyond reasonable.
"The only remaining question is how did they get so many light years from eden?" that is the glass half empty point of view. The glass half full point of view is "How did they get so many light year from hell and purgatory ?".
There is no reason whatsoever that such an announcement would be done to the pope first. Most probably scientific would be the first to know, military second. That would be leaked to your next media quicker than you can sigh. And if not6 it would be put a clamp on it , even if the price to shut people up would be to summary kill them. There is no other reason to think that the pope would be told first in secrecy other than paranoia.
That they would be more advanced technically than us on some stuff (space travel) has no bearing on whether they are more or less advanced than us socially, on other part of science, or even have any moral beyond "eat or be eaten". Your comparison with monkey also don't really hold, I doubt monkey have the awarness and analyze power of a human seeing its culture invaded or observed. Think of culture shock, like aborigene being visited by western civilization. or something.
I am quite a skeptic and level headed (or at least I fool myself into thinking that), but going through one helped me see the "light" : namely that going through such an experience unprepared/unhelped by my skepticism, I would probably be raving on ghost in woo-land by now. I mean from the moment it started and the end, my blood was probably awash with adrenaline, and I had a terrible fear. Of what I can't tell. Now when people relate their abduction experience, I can at least understand why they fight so hard they "lived" it, why they really think something terrible happened to them. Still as far as evidence goes, there are no alien craft coming visiting us, no alien probing your anus, no crop circle created by anything but human.
A fine point which has been overused in the past to justify a lot of bad stuff. It only takes your local fanatic point out that killing the other people not belonging to your religion is not technically murder, it is saving their soul. Or whatever other crap like their supposed crime against christiandom, or torturing them until they avow their crime, then burn them (after mercifully strangulating them in the majority of the case, but not always) even torturing and burning kids as low as 5 year old or 9 year old (read Mckay extroaordinary popular delusion and madness of crowd, witch mania chapter, and the reference therein).
By now, I think this was intentionally written as "you shalt not murder" in the old testament, because the writter was clever enough that "you shalt not kill" would severly reduce the power of the local religion, then the christian church took it over, and indeed probably took the same reasonment, seein how they sometiems directly killed people which was not agreeing with them.
You missed the point of the OP : Compare the following Example of title for the article :
* Google's Street View Meets Resistance In France
Now compare to :
* Google's Street View expected to respect french privacy law for french streets
Just like you can influence the response of a person to a question by formulating it in a way or another, I have started to expect that all title of article in slashdot or skewed to force a knee jerk reaction, like yellow newspaper. It is not really patriotic chest beating, but IMHO it does point out that the article title is indeed made to induce the same reaction as the OP had.
Up to 2008 no president has been black. They were all white and well off. And none were women either. Beside the right equality (which is sometimes more a theory than something practiced) can you point anyway to any recent issue where women/non white people being able to vote for one democrate white guy and one republican white guy would change ANYTHING ?
Please at least add nuclear to your list. Nuclear can make the US self sufficient in energy, AND it is better than the bucketload of coal power you have and use.
But one would have thought that since the nuremberg process "I was ordered to do so" would have NEVER AGAIN been allowed to be a valid excuse. Guess what ? Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it. (yeah i know I am comparing a crime against humanity against small petty fascism, but wait a few years and who knows where the US will slide down on that slope).
It is easier to work around censorship, then to escape blanket surveillance, in the actual state of technology. Surveillance is forever. If needed they can store it for later checks. And surveillance include SELF-censorship "if I say that, it will be saved on tape by NSA/Governement/private firm/whoever and can land me in gitmo or 5 feet under earth". It only cost them storage in a sense. I really really prefer censorship to a blanket surveillance society.
I just was not so naive as to really believe china would hold that type of promise. And why should they ? From what i can see, except a few incensed rant on new broadcast / blog / newpaper, nobody willc are, economy will not change, contract will be signed. The US and my own country, would not hold any freaking promise if they can get away with the benefits , without having to pay a price. Get real.
Did I say "give navstar to the UN" ? No. I did say that I don't trust the US military to really give up the possibility of degrading signal completely. I am suggesting that the last 6 years proved the US government is not to be trusted by its allies, because it certainly did not seem to respect the treaties it signed, and invaded countries of ground of really flimsy evidence (not to go in the controversy on liquid explosive, torture, or even gitmo). I am suggesting that whatever the US government or military says, 3.5 billion is certainly a cheap price to buy independence from them, how they act or whatever tell-tale they say. NOWHERE did I say I have right on navstar. You can still use your GPS if you want. Me on the other hand I wait impatiently for Galilleo to be set up, with more precision and independence from the US. To each his own. But don't tell I pretended I want to get the GPS/Navstar system out of the cold dead hand of the US, I did NOT.
And Why I am supposed (as a non US citizen) to trust the US military that they will really do this again ? From a country which decided that they can ignore the international treaties they signed ? Sorry but in view of the last 6 years, all I can think is "Yeah. Right.".
Feed 1 billion people for a day, they will hunger tomorrow. Teach them techs, let them take over comp-sci, techs, and many other sector, and you will be the one starving tomorrow, while they will be starving less, and for more than a day.
Firstly I don't know many cafe/bar with a multiplayer videogame. Actually I know of NONE at all. All they offer are single player game. So your comment is valid only already for game arcades. A game arcades will have, what, 50, 100 games ? Cafe/bar around here have 1 up to 2. How many cafe/bar for how many arcade ? I doubt the MAIN buyer of pinball were EVER arcades.
Secondly do you really think only people alone palyed on pinball ? There was this wonderful things called "taking turn, and mocking the lowest score". I spent a lot of time in cafe/bar , not drinking anything, just playing with my 3 best friends on the pinball machine. When it was replaced with some sort of fighting game, do you know what we did ? We went to the next Cafe.
I still remember snickering for week at a petty things like renaming French fries freedom fries (sorry to my US friend, but sometimes you can't stop it:) ). Still I would have expected to find a reference somewhere. And a cursory visit to Google did not ppan anything, and a long time ago, I remember speaking about black holes with one of most well known French astrophysicist, and I can't remember him snickering or reacting when we discussed. If anything that must be a really old reference. On a off topic thematic I wonder how Laplace called his speculation on star which did not let light escape due to gravity back in the 18th century...
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"launch launch launch pop pop pop" could mean the following :
1) the EU possibly starts (possibly collaboration with the Chinese) to destroy all US satellite, including KH and GPS one.
2) all intellectual property of the US are forfeited
3) the US lose ANY support whatsoever. For a VERY long time. And it find itself isolated politically, and as much isolated economically as the world can bear (I doubt there is anything the US physically produce which could not be produced/built over a few month/years in another part of the world)
4) escalation of conflict in nuclear war. Remember, some country in EU still have the same nasty nuke that you have. Then we have 2 sets of loser (EU/US) and one winner : the rest of the world.
Anybody which think that the US can kill any satellite of the EU or China because they dislike it, should have its head examinated, because there would be pretty hefty consequence.
That point was long lost when the artificial chemical enhancement took over to push the limit of what the human body can achieve.
for the last few months, if I have bittorent traffic, even at a very low bandwidth consumption, once I try slashdot or any other web site, I get a "navigation interrupted" or a lot of "bad header" error and various connection lost. Refreshing after a while bring the web page. Going 5 minutes after ward to work I get an immediate display of the web page. This is not happening once, but every day.
From skeptic anoted bible :
In Genesis, the earth is created (1:1) before light (1:3), sun and stars (1:16); birds and whales (1:21) before reptiles and insects (1:24); and flowering plants (1:11) before any animals (1:20). The order of events known from science is in each case just the opposite.
A few clarification why it is not the correct order :
1) Bird were certainly late at the party after the reptile were created.
2) Sun and star were certainly created before planet and earth (heavy element were created in novae IIRC)
3) Whales are mammalians, a late addition to the animal worlds. Certainly came after the reptilians and insects.
4) more damning as said above angiosperm are a late addition only 130+ million year old roughly
Quote : " 2. Go throgh a textbook on evolution with the list you wrote in step one and you will discover something very odd. Same order."
Only if you don't know when flower came into the evolutionary tree, ignore that whale are mammals, ignore that byrd are late addition too, ignore basic astronomy. Oh well anyway let us ignore science altogether , and you are right
Although as a scientific I will be the first to agree that a lot is open because we don't have any evidence to start a theory on, the example you chose are not very good :
"Science can't explain how the 20 amino acids we require to exist form on their own" : some experience were used to create many of those amino acid under abiogenic condition, if not all amino acid. The oldest of those is the miller-urey experiment which created 2 or 3 type of amino acid.
", nor how they combine and fold themselves into the hundreds of various proteins we require to function," we do know how amino acid are added at the end of a protein chains, AFAIK with the ribosome in the body. We do also know why protein fold in 3d and why this is important to their function. We do know how they evolved. What we don't know is how to predict function and form of a random protein from their amino acid constituent. We don't "know" either how the first protein looked like, although we have pretty good idea with polymerisation / physical globule formation of long amino acid and carbon chains.
" nor why all the thousands of processes that occur within a cell occur. This all appears to happen "just for the hell of it" mmmmh. Care to tell us what many of the 1000 process biologist says what they are for and just occurs for the heck of it ? Cite please a few dozen specific one. Because it looks like strawman.
"So even in the oldest context, Evolution fits fine with the Bible." which would somehow say that the bible is the mass to measure everything on it.
So it should read "the bible stories can be made fit with evolution (which we know to be a very successful theory at explaining all life today as we know it)". It is not that evolution fits, it is that the bible is interpreted in the light of evolution.
When you reach the point that you burn at the stake 5 years old kids for witchcraft (well, they "mercifully" strangled them before burning them) then one could argue that even for the epoch they went beyond reasonable.
"The only remaining question is how did they get so many light years from eden?" that is the glass half empty point of view. The glass half full point of view is "How did they get so many light year from hell and purgatory ?".
There is no reason whatsoever that such an announcement would be done to the pope first. Most probably scientific would be the first to know, military second. That would be leaked to your next media quicker than you can sigh. And if not6 it would be put a clamp on it , even if the price to shut people up would be to summary kill them. There is no other reason to think that the pope would be told first in secrecy other than paranoia.
That they would be more advanced technically than us on some stuff (space travel) has no bearing on whether they are more or less advanced than us socially, on other part of science, or even have any moral beyond "eat or be eaten". Your comparison with monkey also don't really hold, I doubt monkey have the awarness and analyze power of a human seeing its culture invaded or observed. Think of culture shock, like aborigene being visited by western civilization. or something.
I am quite a skeptic and level headed (or at least I fool myself into thinking that), but going through one helped me see the "light" : namely that going through such an experience unprepared/unhelped by my skepticism, I would probably be raving on ghost in woo-land by now. I mean from the moment it started and the end, my blood was probably awash with adrenaline, and I had a terrible fear. Of what I can't tell. Now when people relate their abduction experience, I can at least understand why they fight so hard they "lived" it, why they really think something terrible happened to them. Still as far as evidence goes, there are no alien craft coming visiting us, no alien probing your anus, no crop circle created by anything but human.
A fine point which has been overused in the past to justify a lot of bad stuff. It only takes your local fanatic point out that killing the other people not belonging to your religion is not technically murder, it is saving their soul. Or whatever other crap like their supposed crime against christiandom, or torturing them until they avow their crime, then burn them (after mercifully strangulating them in the majority of the case, but not always) even torturing and burning kids as low as 5 year old or 9 year old (read Mckay extroaordinary popular delusion and madness of crowd, witch mania chapter, and the reference therein).
By now, I think this was intentionally written as "you shalt not murder" in the old testament, because the writter was clever enough that "you shalt not kill" would severly reduce the power of the local religion, then the christian church took it over, and indeed probably took the same reasonment, seein how they sometiems directly killed people which was not agreeing with them.
So technically you are correct.
You missed the point of the OP : Compare the following Example of title for the article :
* Google's Street View Meets Resistance In France
Now compare to :
* Google's Street View expected to respect french privacy law for french streets
Just like you can influence the response of a person to a question by formulating it in a way or another, I have started to expect that all title of article in slashdot or skewed to force a knee jerk reaction, like yellow newspaper. It is not really patriotic chest beating, but IMHO it does point out that the article title is indeed made to induce the same reaction as the OP had.
Up to 2008 no president has been black. They were all white and well off. And none were women either. Beside the right equality (which is sometimes more a theory than something practiced) can you point anyway to any recent issue where women/non white people being able to vote for one democrate white guy and one republican white guy would change ANYTHING ?
"Currently, the username is rp and the database server is db1."
Is it that usual to give username and password of database over the net ?
Or you could take all your atom bomb, lower the grade concentration of U235, and use it in civil central. Just saying.
Please at least add nuclear to your list. Nuclear can make the US self sufficient in energy, AND it is better than the bucketload of coal power you have and use.
But one would have thought that since the nuremberg process "I was ordered to do so" would have NEVER AGAIN been allowed to be a valid excuse. Guess what ? Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it. (yeah i know I am comparing a crime against humanity against small petty fascism, but wait a few years and who knows where the US will slide down on that slope).
It is easier to work around censorship, then to escape blanket surveillance, in the actual state of technology. Surveillance is forever. If needed they can store it for later checks. And surveillance include SELF-censorship "if I say that, it will be saved on tape by NSA/Governement/private firm/whoever and can land me in gitmo or 5 feet under earth". It only cost them storage in a sense. I really really prefer censorship to a blanket surveillance society.
I just was not so naive as to really believe china would hold that type of promise. And why should they ? From what i can see, except a few incensed rant on new broadcast / blog / newpaper, nobody willc are, economy will not change, contract will be signed. The US and my own country, would not hold any freaking promise if they can get away with the benefits , without having to pay a price. Get real.
Did I say "give navstar to the UN" ? No. I did say that I don't trust the US military to really give up the possibility of degrading signal completely. I am suggesting that the last 6 years proved the US government is not to be trusted by its allies, because it certainly did not seem to respect the treaties it signed, and invaded countries of ground of really flimsy evidence (not to go in the controversy on liquid explosive, torture, or even gitmo). I am suggesting that whatever the US government or military says, 3.5 billion is certainly a cheap price to buy independence from them, how they act or whatever tell-tale they say. NOWHERE did I say I have right on navstar. You can still use your GPS if you want. Me on the other hand I wait impatiently for Galilleo to be set up, with more precision and independence from the US. To each his own. But don't tell I pretended I want to get the GPS/Navstar system out of the cold dead hand of the US, I did NOT.
And Why I am supposed (as a non US citizen) to trust the US military that they will really do this again ? From a country which decided that they can ignore the international treaties they signed ? Sorry but in view of the last 6 years, all I can think is "Yeah. Right.".
Feed 1 billion people for a day, they will hunger tomorrow. Teach them techs, let them take over comp-sci, techs, and many other sector, and you will be the one starving tomorrow, while they will be starving less, and for more than a day.
Firstly I don't know many cafe/bar with a multiplayer videogame. Actually I know of NONE at all. All they offer are single player game. So your comment is valid only already for game arcades. A game arcades will have, what, 50, 100 games ? Cafe/bar around here have 1 up to 2. How many cafe/bar for how many arcade ? I doubt the MAIN buyer of pinball were EVER arcades.
Secondly do you really think only people alone palyed on pinball ? There was this wonderful things called "taking turn, and mocking the lowest score". I spent a lot of time in cafe/bar , not drinking anything, just playing with my 3 best friends on the pinball machine. When it was replaced with some sort of fighting game, do you know what we did ? We went to the next Cafe.
I still remember snickering for week at a petty things like renaming French fries freedom fries (sorry to my US friend, but sometimes you can't stop it :) ). Still I would have expected to find a reference somewhere. And a cursory visit to Google did not ppan anything, and a long time ago, I remember speaking about black holes with one of most well known French astrophysicist, and I can't remember him snickering or reacting when we discussed. If anything that must be a really old reference. On a off topic thematic I wonder how Laplace called his speculation on star which did not let light escape due to gravity back in the 18th century...