OTOH, this approach is to bring the Windows environment to Linux using thin-client computing. How does it enlighten students about Linux? Maybe they'd get the impression Linux is always meant to ape Windows?
Considering the hundreds of MS shills astro-turfing over here and modding every sensible post to oblivion as either Troll/ Flamebait, it's pretty silly to think a EULA change means anything.
" Most people I know using Windows 2000 just blow past their EULAs without reading them. What was so onerous? "
Most people I know are incapable of thinking. Most people I know just throw money after silly bloated corporations.
" My virus scanner updates itself without my knowledge, as does my weather bar and e-mail client. How do I know they aren't doing nefarious things? But in the end, they make for a more convenient product."
Good. You also make a convenient target for firms looking to exploit easy targets to grow rich and quick. Very convenient indeed.
I agree. If it took 2 years and more for your firm to decide that MS WinXYZ is full of security holes and take alternative steps, there's little that can be done.
Microsoft products cost a lot to _acquire_ as well as to _maintain_. Even if you started now, you'd still be saving your dollars in the long run.
You might actually save the remaining 35% from getting Slammed all over again.
Reading your post, it's no surprise you get modded Flamebait. Since you actually try to give credit to MS where it isn't due, prolly Troll would be a better rating as well.
I'm posting just in case your post stays modded up +5 Insightful.
" Why can't anyone countersue for causing damage to business with unsubstantiated rumours like in Europe?"
huh.. in the US of A; most business success accrues largely through unsubstantiated rumors. Some pointers: Gartner reports have long ignored Linux and kept singing Microsoft until very recently. Aberdeen reports frivolously claim that Windows has fewer bugs than Linux, little knowing what they're talking about. How many PHBs _think_ before making a buying decision? Most _Research_ and _study reports_ in the US are mere sponsored reports courtesy some 800lb gorilla. And in the prevailing FUD scenario, how many upright individuals can speak their mind, let alone sue rumor-mongering corporations?
Actualy, SGI could be the other h/w mfr in the US they're after. SCO is probably after SGI, since SGI promoted and used NUMA-Flex architecture in multi-processor systems running IRIX and Linux.
Since SCO's going down anyway, they prolly think they'd sue everyone - some quirky sense of humor maybe.
It's not the billions they sue IBM for, it's the billions of pieces they'd get blown into, that matters.
Seriously, SCO resembles MS if it thinks increasing the lawsuit size improves their credibility. Sort of like.Net users - all hotmail users, millions of them. And yet, Hailstorm failed!
IMO, SCO's credibility is dropping on a daily basis.
Has he got his clearance certificate from SCO? Have the Chinese agreed to 'release' him from Transmeta? (this last one hurts a bit)... while extolling the Linux kernel, we used to say: Hey, MS spends $5bn in R&D for a lousy OS. A single chappie named Linus maintains the entire Linux kernel in his spare time! Can't say that any more...
Mr. Troll: Please do me a favor. Read thru the thread of posts starting from my original post. Carefully. Then consider who's inhibiting Joe and who's motivating Joe to pick up a Linux distro.
(Hint : I've said Understand Linux. Not learn or learn to use Linux. Even Joe can spot the meaning and the significance.)
Now, sit back as the enormity of what you've done - sinks in. Relax. Joe is more clever these days than we choose to give credit for.
"would you suggest that a motorist should at least know how to replace a broken timing belt"
I suggested nothing of that sort. I merely opined that Joe ServicePack must, in his own interest, learn that Linux is GPL'd code, free for inspection and modification, that it's much superior to Windows XYZ in elegance and design, that it's free from viruses, that the SCO FUD is rubbish, that copying Linux CDs is not a guilty act, that sharing Linux and associated knowledge is not analagous to sharing music (as SCO implies) etc. etc.
Until Joe stops believing the bad press and 'informed' opinions such as yours, he can't overcome the first crucial hurdle to start using Linux. And it is unreasonable to expect Linux or GNU to evangelise, educate, enlighten, aggressively market, promote or teach Joe. It isn't elitism, merely practical wisdom.
"And as long as the Linux community maintains this elitist attitude, it will NEVER replace/defeat Windows."
And as long as Joe is reluctant to understand (not even learn) Linux, he doesn't deserve it. It isn't elitism, just practical wisdom.
If Joe depends on hotmail spam to get his education (free diplomas), his money (free credit checks) and his wisdom (sponsored study reports), he deserves what he gets from the present owners of said e-mail service.
Linux helps those who refuse to believe all they hear.
The price of convenience is the effort to understand technology. If Joe ServicePack cannot put in the effort, he deserves the latest Service Pack and the associated hell from MS.
Mr.Robertson said recently in the wake of the SCO vs IBM filing, that he'd paid money to SCO to keep quiet, atleast as regards his flavor of Linux.
This sounds so cowardly and backwards for true Linux enthusiasts. Those who really buy Lindows to use the bundled Linux can load other and better distros as well.
It doesn't sound right - being aggressive against Microsoft and a weakling against puny SCO.
This seems to be the business model at Apple:
1. Spread rumors.
2. Get mentioned at Slashdot.
3. Everyone jeers and boos.
4. ???
5. Loss:-(
Why should we read about rumors from a company that 98% of the nice world (except the US) doesn't think much about?
Rumors from Microsoft are a different matter. Billyboy resigns and takes up Buddhism? We're all ears. MS to bundle SCOde into LongHorn? You don't say!
Apple rumors aren't tasty.
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OTOH, this approach is to bring the Windows environment to Linux using thin-client computing. How does it enlighten students about Linux? Maybe they'd get the impression Linux is always meant to ape Windows?
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With the Windows License (EULA) is there any cost benefit in using Linux as a thin client? We evaluated Citrix and discovered the opposite.
How can Palm make a Wrist product? They should prolly change the name of the OS to Wrist OS or something...
The parent talks about a software maker, and an illegal monopoly at that. No comparison to h/w folks here.
Considering the hundreds of MS shills astro-turfing over here and modding every sensible post to oblivion as either Troll/ Flamebait, it's pretty silly to think a EULA change means anything.
" Most people I know using Windows 2000 just blow past their EULAs without reading them. What was so onerous? "
Most people I know are incapable of thinking. Most people I know just throw money after silly bloated corporations.
" My virus scanner updates itself without my knowledge, as does my weather bar and e-mail client. How do I know they aren't doing nefarious things? But in the end, they make for a more convenient product."
Good. You also make a convenient target for firms looking to exploit easy targets to grow rich and quick. Very convenient indeed.
I agree. If it took 2 years and more for your firm to decide that MS WinXYZ is full of security holes and take alternative steps, there's little that can be done.
Microsoft products cost a lot to _acquire_ as well as to _maintain_. Even if you started now, you'd still be saving your dollars in the long run.
You might actually save the remaining 35% from getting Slammed all over again.
Reading your post, it's no surprise you get modded Flamebait. Since you actually try to give credit to MS where it isn't due, prolly Troll would be a better rating as well.
I'm posting just in case your post stays modded up +5 Insightful.
You will be liberated with Service Pack 5. Until then, use SCO.
I thought they force-migrated all to the bitter eXPerience. After how many Service Packs will they finally discard Win2K?
Secondly, has anyone actually sued MS for it's stupid EULA's?? So, how does it matter what junk they put there?
Why go so far? A simple pic of Mr.Mohammed Saeed-al-Sahaf would be eloquent enuff. Maybe a small baloon jutting out of his mouth that says "$3bn."
" Why can't anyone countersue for causing damage to business with unsubstantiated rumours like in Europe?"
huh.. in the US of A; most business success accrues largely through unsubstantiated rumors. Some pointers:
Gartner reports have long ignored Linux and kept singing Microsoft until very recently.
Aberdeen reports frivolously claim that Windows has fewer bugs than Linux, little knowing what they're talking about.
How many PHBs _think_ before making a buying decision? Most _Research_ and _study reports_ in the US are mere sponsored reports courtesy some 800lb gorilla.
And in the prevailing FUD scenario, how many upright individuals can speak their mind, let alone sue rumor-mongering corporations?
Actualy, SGI could be the other h/w mfr in the US they're after. SCO is probably after SGI, since SGI promoted and used NUMA-Flex architecture in multi-processor systems running IRIX and Linux.
Since SCO's going down anyway, they prolly think they'd sue everyone - some quirky sense of humor maybe.
It's not the billions they sue IBM for, it's the billions of pieces they'd get blown into, that matters.
.Net users - all hotmail users, millions of them. And yet, Hailstorm failed!
Seriously, SCO resembles MS if it thinks increasing the lawsuit size improves their credibility. Sort of like
IMO, SCO's credibility is dropping on a daily basis.
Has he got his clearance certificate from SCO?
Have the Chinese agreed to 'release' him from Transmeta?
(this last one hurts a bit)...
while extolling the Linux kernel, we used to say:
Hey, MS spends $5bn in R&D for a lousy OS. A single chappie named Linus maintains the entire Linux kernel in his spare time! Can't say that any more...
Anyways, all the best!
Mr. Troll:
Please do me a favor. Read thru the thread of posts starting from my original post. Carefully. Then consider who's inhibiting Joe and who's motivating Joe to pick up a Linux distro.
(Hint : I've said Understand Linux. Not learn or learn to use Linux. Even Joe can spot the meaning and the significance.)
Now, sit back as the enormity of what you've done - sinks in. Relax. Joe is more clever these days than we choose to give credit for.
"would you suggest that a motorist should at least know how to replace a broken timing belt"
I suggested nothing of that sort. I merely opined that Joe ServicePack must, in his own interest, learn that Linux is GPL'd code, free for inspection and modification, that it's much superior to Windows XYZ in elegance and design, that it's free from viruses, that the SCO FUD is rubbish, that copying Linux CDs is not a guilty act, that sharing Linux and associated knowledge is not analagous to sharing music (as SCO implies) etc. etc.
Until Joe stops believing the bad press and 'informed' opinions such as yours, he can't overcome the first crucial hurdle to start using Linux. And it is unreasonable to expect Linux or GNU to evangelise, educate, enlighten, aggressively market, promote or teach Joe. It isn't elitism, merely practical wisdom.
"in the meantime, Bill Gates is getting richer and richer from Joe Sixpack because the Linux community is too proud to adapt to a broader market."
You've got it backwards. If Joe can't adapt and adopt Linux, he's condemned to surrender his riches to Billyboy.
"That's worse than simple elitism, it's bad business sense."
To assume that it's the PC that should be smart and not Joe ServicePack that's operating it - it's not plain stupidity, it's stubbornness as well.
Till you hear about Europe.
Maybe, just maybe - Europe's onto a good thing, actually.
Anonymous cowards are banned in Europe?
"And as long as the Linux community maintains this elitist attitude, it will NEVER replace/defeat Windows."
And as long as Joe is reluctant to understand (not even learn) Linux, he doesn't deserve it. It isn't elitism, just practical wisdom.
If Joe depends on hotmail spam to get his education (free diplomas), his money (free credit checks) and his wisdom (sponsored study reports), he deserves what he gets from the present owners of said e-mail service.
Linux helps those who refuse to believe all they hear.
The price of convenience is the effort to understand technology. If Joe ServicePack cannot put in the effort, he deserves the latest Service Pack and the associated hell from MS.
Linux (any flavor) is not for Joe.
Mr.Robertson said recently in the wake of the SCO vs IBM filing, that he'd paid money to SCO to keep quiet, atleast as regards his flavor of Linux.
This sounds so cowardly and backwards for true Linux enthusiasts. Those who really buy Lindows to use the bundled Linux can load other and better distros as well.
It doesn't sound right - being aggressive against Microsoft and a weakling against puny SCO.
Atleast you could've included some rumored links? Or sites rumored to contain links rumored to contain the warez? After all, this is Slashdot!!
This seems to be the business model at Apple: 1. Spread rumors. 2. Get mentioned at Slashdot. 3. Everyone jeers and boos. 4. ??? 5. Loss :-(
Why should we read about rumors from a company that 98% of the nice world (except the US) doesn't think much about?
Rumors from Microsoft are a different matter. Billyboy resigns and takes up Buddhism? We're all ears. MS to bundle SCOde into LongHorn? You don't say!
Apple rumors aren't tasty.
This seems to be the business model at Apple:
:-(
1. Spread rumors.
2. Get mentioned at Slashdot.
3. Everyone jeers and boos.
4. ???
5. Loss
Why should we read about rumors from a company that 98% of the nice world (except the US) doesn't think much about?
Rumors from Microsoft are a different matter. Billyboy resigns and takes up Buddhism? We're all ears. MS to bundle SCOde into LongHorn? You don't say!
Apple rumors aren't tasty.