Well, seeing how these would be instructions I would have done a million times, I would have already written a shell script for this, so it makes sense.
"Blogs are for simpletons and me-too morons. Can't you make a web page? You have to use a "service?" Bunch of mac-using fruit morons."
Actually, I know a php developer that blogs. Not that I find any fun in it, but he likes doing it.
Why it took a week
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ECCp-109 Solved
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From the site, they haven't even confirmed if this is true or not..
"The announcement is being made now, a week later because we had to wait for comfirmation from Certicom that this is the solution. (Which we still haven't gotten, by the way)."
"My name is RMS, and I just started to use windows. It simply just works! Ever since MIT I've been developing all of these GNU tools, programming day in and day out, working endlessly to get things such as my hyperdrive in the delorian and the pizza oven to interface properly with my GNU/Linux system. Then Microsoft paid me this huge one time amount in order for me, one of the leading developers of the Linux toolset, to install it on one of my systems. After popping in the cd, I was pretty much done. I just had to sit there forever to push this, or that, just to get through the install. Then I had to go find drivers, but the drivers for my network card and modem were not working, so I had to find those on one of my other GNU/Linux systems. Then after installing the drivers, it was working smooth then! It rarely crashes, seeing how I rarely use it, and allows me to connect to my GNU/Linux systems via samba. Awesome!"
Ok, so it was weak at the end, but you get the idea.
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Thought you might be interested in this then (minix looks like what I need to run on any 486 or lower machines I run across, as my fiance is liking unix, so she'll need a compy...):
HARDWARE REQUIRED To run MINIX 2.0, you need a PC driven by an 8088, 286, 386, 486, or Pentium CPU. The system must be 100% hardware compatible with the PC-AT and its successors (i.e, EISA bus, IDE disk, etc.). To run the 16-bit version, 640K is the minimum. To run the 32-bit version, 2MB is the minimum. To run comfortably, another 512K is needed.
A hard disk is not technically required, but is strongly recommended to take full advantage of the system. To load all the sources and be able to recompile the system, 30 MB is the practical minimum but with a 20 MB disk partition, you can still run and compile parts of the system.
The system must have either a CGA, EGA, VGA, monochrome, or Hercules video card, or another card that emulates one of these. Both 5.25" and 3.5" diskettes are supported, as are printers using the parallel port and modems and terminals using the serial ports. Mitsumi CD-ROMs are also supported, as are some Ethernet cards.
At what point does microsoft plan to not be compatible with older operating systems. With the mainstream use for the most part of the windows 2000 (think XP here as well) will there be integration of this technology within these operating systems, or will this new technology only be utilized and supported by newer operating systems produced by Microsoft (see longhorn and blackcomb)?
In the event that this is only supported by newer operating systems, what steps are being taken to reduce the risk of these systems interfering with the security of the newer machines interfacing with the old ones, as well as provide backwards compatibility?
I'm sorry, but I am unsure of what performance hit you are talking about...?
I've been using a mac for a total of about less than 2 months, and I don't notice a performance problem. The only issue I have is that I bought the model with 256, and I need 384 megs of ram, as always.
I mean, be more defined in your complaint. Don't just say "IT'S SLOW", say what you mean, "It's slow when I do this, or use this utility, or compared to how this was in os9, etc. If apple were to work on this, or the manufacturer of said product were to work on it, I would be much happier with my Human Inteface and user experience, in general. I like this area, I don't like this, etc." but instead, you made a rather blunt statement of "This machine is slower than this one (which btw, it has a different architecture, and will more than likely not function the same as your pc, get over it)" I don't mean this as a flame, but seriously, if you have an issue with a product, contact the manufacterer, and tell them. Nine times out of ten, at least from what I have found with mac, is that they do listen to you, because you will be buying the next release of their software, or whatever.
I want a 50 inch lcd monitor that can fold in the palm of my hand. It has to be blue, and also weigh less than a pound. There are paperclips in the secretaries desk, and I think a stapler, for supplies. You have until friday.
Guys, give these people time, you know just as well as anyone else that developing does take time. Hence the reason I can't run arachnophilia until apple comes out with the 1.4 version of jre, or anything else. Give it time.
As to this whole osx is slow. I've been running osx for about.. a month. I like it, and it is faster than any os I have run, and I am only on 256 megs of ram. The fact that I can run windows within the emulator, and still have a decent os to run such things as itunes and mozilla shows that the os is not slow, just apps themselves. Give people time, or otherwise, e-mail their bosses.
Personally, I would use mail2web.com to check incoming e-mail first to see if its infected. That's just me though. popcorn (tinyapps.org) is cool for windows use as well.
I just bought an ibook. And in fact, the best way to fix this if it happens, would be to install something like yaboot... I.E. install os 9, then osx whatever, then use yaboot to give you the option at bootup. If you wish to use os9 the option is there.
Maybe piping smb to ssh, or visa versa, would work in this case. I wouldn't know where to begin, but piping the output of something to something else shouldn't be too hard to work with.
Actually, that's for their isp. If you want *parts* you need to go to outpost.com. They have decent prices, and are the only place I know within 75 miles of where I live that have sub-notebooks, and a working display of the 23 inch mac display (see: $3,500 usd) that is very nice.
"As soon as my mom gets the hang of using the mouse and learns the difference between single-cliking and double-clicking, then she'll probably start working on a client app to meet her business's needs.;)"
Before or after the right click, left click quandry?
I actually had to do this, and we went with suse in the end. It had the most gui components pre installed, and worked pretty well with existing hardware as compared to flavors like debian, redhat, and slack. Also, running the librarian (in her late 50's) through the install, and then running her through a windows install on the same machine, she liked suse. Redhat had more options which she was confused on, etc. This was a "just in case" thing that allowed her to fix things when they became too complicated.
The benefits of using linux in a library environment are superior over microsoft in this case because:
a: No viruses(ok, like 3, but those are worms and you have to su to get them) is the more obvious one. As we all know, win32 is where the viruses are now, and you do not have to worry about someone downloading software with a trojan in it.
b: Licensing. This is an "of course" and I will not repeat what we all already know.
c: Third party software. A lot of third party software (i.e. aol, compuserve, games, etc) will not run in linux, and hence not allow for people to install it.
d: greater control. Linux also allows for finer control of users, i.e. the guest user that this person is desiring. Basically, you want to only give root rights to things such as gcc, rpm, make, dev tools, etc. Or you could compile it all on one machine and then push it to the others if need be. All depending.
e: Drives: actually, you need these to work inside of a certain context, ie, little bobbies home work is in word. When we did this, star office, open office, and one other were available. You may be able to get star office 6 for free, with the licensing they have for that. Contact sun.com on that.
Can't think of much else at the moment. linuxdoc.org would be a good place to start if you are unfamiliar, and you can go with openldap or nis (not as secur) for a centralized logon service if nothing else, although I doubt that this is needed.
Excuse me if this has already been done, but wouldn't it be better to have a standard.so file come with each distro that comes with rpm? Wouldn't this solve half of the problems encountered by rpm? The other half was covered by another commenter, the one about how the dos system worked and how we should also do the same. It _did_ work for dos, so why can't it work for linux? Have a symlink in the path to the files created by the rpm, and voila, no more confusion of files installed, every rpm package can be a bit smaller due to the default.so files being installed when you install your os, and rpm does not die.
Of course, you could just make everything, you know, like they did before the rpm. Just configure everything, and then make it. And read the readme. And read the install. Of course, you read the readme no matter what, right?
I hate to say it, but those who have heard of lindows are pretty much it. Those who haven't obviously don't shop at walmart.com, if you catch my drift. They don't go to slashdot.org, they are not impressed with rock hard stability, they just want something that will run the sims for their kids, will let them look at pr0n, and then be able to shut off the machine at night when the family guy comes on or something. Those who care about linux or lindows probably won't be buying these as well.
My question is still, where is the lindows source, where are the binaries, and will the gpl be flashed across the screen of these new machines before they are able to access it, because there is no way they will see it otherwise.
Slashdot Mirror
This'll take probably 20 years of hard research, government money, and chocolate donuts to put into effect
Well, seeing how these would be instructions I would have done a million times, I would have already written a shell script for this, so it makes sense.
sh -x ~/driving-instructions.sh && cat /dev/fridge/contents && && ls -alH ~ && df -h -T && echo item && find / -name milk
So I:
typed driving instructions
printed a list inside of contents inside of a fridge
executed one command to find the expiration date AND how much was taken up
executed a command to find out how much was left
typed the name of an item
AND I
grabbed the milk
all in one command.
"Blogs are for simpletons and me-too morons. Can't you make a web page? You have to use a "service?" Bunch of mac-using fruit morons."
Actually, I know a php developer that blogs. Not that I find any fun in it, but he likes doing it.
From the site, they haven't even confirmed if this is true or not..
"The announcement is being made now, a week later because we had to wait for comfirmation from Certicom that this is the solution. (Which we still haven't gotten, by the way)."
or lindows..
Oh I can see it now, here's RMS:
"My name is RMS, and I just started to use windows. It simply just works! Ever since MIT I've been developing all of these GNU tools, programming day in and day out, working endlessly to get things such as my hyperdrive in the delorian and the pizza oven to interface properly with my GNU/Linux system. Then Microsoft paid me this huge one time amount in order for me, one of the leading developers of the Linux toolset, to install it on one of my systems. After popping in the cd, I was pretty much done. I just had to sit there forever to push this, or that, just to get through the install. Then I had to go find drivers, but the drivers for my network card and modem were not working, so I had to find those on one of my other GNU/Linux systems. Then after installing the drivers, it was working smooth then! It rarely crashes, seeing how I rarely use it, and allows me to connect to my GNU/Linux systems via samba. Awesome!"
Ok, so it was weak at the end, but you get the idea.
If you had read the story, you would have seen where they said windows 2000.
Here's the rfc:
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt?number=1149
Thought you might be interested in this then (minix looks like what I need to run on any 486 or lower machines I run across, as my fiance is liking unix, so she'll need a compy...):
HARDWARE REQUIRED
To run MINIX 2.0, you need a PC driven by an 8088, 286, 386, 486, or Pentium CPU. The system must be 100% hardware compatible with the PC-AT and its successors (i.e, EISA bus, IDE disk, etc.).
To run the 16-bit version, 640K is the minimum. To run the 32-bit version, 2MB is the minimum. To run comfortably, another 512K is needed.
A hard disk is not technically required, but is strongly recommended to take full advantage of the system. To load all the sources and be able to recompile the system, 30 MB is the practical minimum but with a 20 MB disk partition, you can still run and compile parts of the system.
The system must have either a CGA, EGA, VGA, monochrome, or Hercules video card, or another card that emulates one of these. Both 5.25" and 3.5" diskettes are supported, as are printers using the parallel port and modems and terminals using the serial ports. Mitsumi CD-ROMs are also supported, as are some Ethernet cards.
My question would be:
At what point does microsoft plan to not be compatible with older operating systems. With the mainstream use for the most part of the windows 2000 (think XP here as well) will there be integration of this technology within these operating systems, or will this new technology only be utilized and supported by newer operating systems produced by Microsoft (see longhorn and blackcomb)?
In the event that this is only supported by newer operating systems, what steps are being taken to reduce the risk of these systems interfering with the security of the newer machines interfacing with the old ones, as well as provide backwards compatibility?
I'm sorry, but I am unsure of what performance hit you are talking about...?
I've been using a mac for a total of about less than 2 months, and I don't notice a performance problem. The only issue I have is that I bought the model with 256, and I need 384 megs of ram, as always.
I mean, be more defined in your complaint. Don't just say "IT'S SLOW", say what you mean, "It's slow when I do this, or use this utility, or compared to how this was in os9, etc. If apple were to work on this, or the manufacturer of said product were to work on it, I would be much happier with my Human Inteface and user experience, in general. I like this area, I don't like this, etc." but instead, you made a rather blunt statement of "This machine is slower than this one (which btw, it has a different architecture, and will more than likely not function the same as your pc, get over it)" I don't mean this as a flame, but seriously, if you have an issue with a product, contact the manufacterer, and tell them. Nine times out of ten, at least from what I have found with mac, is that they do listen to you, because you will be buying the next release of their software, or whatever.
I want.. I want.. I want..
I want a 50 inch lcd monitor that can fold in the palm of my hand. It has to be blue, and also weigh less than a pound. There are paperclips in the secretaries desk, and I think a stapler, for supplies. You have until friday.
Guys, give these people time, you know just as well as anyone else that developing does take time. Hence the reason I can't run arachnophilia until apple comes out with the 1.4 version of jre, or anything else. Give it time.
As to this whole osx is slow. I've been running osx for about.. a month. I like it, and it is faster than any os I have run, and I am only on 256 megs of ram. The fact that I can run windows within the emulator, and still have a decent os to run such things as itunes and mozilla shows that the os is not slow, just apps themselves. Give people time, or otherwise, e-mail their bosses.
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I have no sig
Couldn't someone just compile from source and have a redhat install that isn't binary from the get go...
You could then install newer packages like ximian evolution from their respective websites tarballs..
Or you could just download and use the installer, and it would be almost as fast.
If you put that e-mail of yours up here, I might be interested in the desktop mac
Personally, I would use mail2web.com to check incoming e-mail first to see if its infected. That's just me though. popcorn (tinyapps.org) is cool for windows use as well.
I just bought an ibook. And in fact, the best way to fix this if it happens, would be to install something like yaboot... I.E. install os 9, then osx whatever, then use yaboot to give you the option at bootup. If you wish to use os9 the option is there.
Maybe piping smb to ssh, or visa versa, would work in this case. I wouldn't know where to begin, but piping the output of something to something else shouldn't be too hard to work with.
Actually, that's for their isp. If you want *parts* you need to go to outpost.com. They have decent prices, and are the only place I know within 75 miles of where I live that have sub-notebooks, and a working display of the 23 inch mac display (see: $3,500 usd) that is very nice.
"As soon as my mom gets the hang of using the mouse and learns the difference between single-cliking and double-clicking, then she'll probably start working on a client app to meet her business's needs. ;)"
Before or after the right click, left click quandry?
I actually had to do this, and we went with suse in the end. It had the most gui components pre installed, and worked pretty well with existing hardware as compared to flavors like debian, redhat, and slack. Also, running the librarian (in her late 50's) through the install, and then running her through a windows install on the same machine, she liked suse. Redhat had more options which she was confused on, etc. This was a "just in case" thing that allowed her to fix things when they became too complicated.
The benefits of using linux in a library environment are superior over microsoft in this case because:
a: No viruses(ok, like 3, but those are worms and you have to su to get them) is the more obvious one. As we all know, win32 is where the viruses are now, and you do not have to worry about someone downloading software with a trojan in it.
b: Licensing. This is an "of course" and I will not repeat what we all already know.
c: Third party software. A lot of third party software (i.e. aol, compuserve, games, etc) will not run in linux, and hence not allow for people to install it.
d: greater control. Linux also allows for finer control of users, i.e. the guest user that this person is desiring. Basically, you want to only give root rights to things such as gcc, rpm, make, dev tools, etc. Or you could compile it all on one machine and then push it to the others if need be. All depending.
e: Drives: actually, you need these to work inside of a certain context, ie, little bobbies home work is in word. When we did this, star office, open office, and one other were available. You may be able to get star office 6 for free, with the licensing they have for that. Contact sun.com on that.
Can't think of much else at the moment. linuxdoc.org would be a good place to start if you are unfamiliar, and you can go with openldap or nis (not as secur) for a centralized logon service if nothing else, although I doubt that this is needed.
Time for everyones favorite quiz show, "Who's e-mail just got slashdotted?!"
a) Bill Gates
B) The guy in this story
C) Malda
To find out the answer, wait until this gets modded down!
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Excuse me if this has already been done, but wouldn't it be better to have a standard .so file come with each distro that comes with rpm? Wouldn't this solve half of the problems encountered by rpm? The other half was covered by another commenter, the one about how the dos system worked and how we should also do the same. It _did_ work for dos, so why can't it work for linux? Have a symlink in the path to the files created by the rpm, and voila, no more confusion of files installed, every rpm package can be a bit smaller due to the default .so files being installed when you install your os, and rpm does not die.
Of course, you could just make everything, you know, like they did before the rpm. Just configure everything, and then make it. And read the readme. And read the install. Of course, you read the readme no matter what, right?
I hate to say it, but those who have heard of lindows are pretty much it. Those who haven't obviously don't shop at walmart.com, if you catch my drift. They don't go to slashdot.org, they are not impressed with rock hard stability, they just want something that will run the sims for their kids, will let them look at pr0n, and then be able to shut off the machine at night when the family guy comes on or something. Those who care about linux or lindows probably won't be buying these as well.
My question is still, where is the lindows source, where are the binaries, and will the gpl be flashed across the screen of these new machines before they are able to access it, because there is no way they will see it otherwise.