Why are we still debating this? This question is so 1999. It's not a spectator sport because there aren't enough people who are knowledgable enough to make it profitable to televise on a regular basis. Yes, I know about South Korea and Starcraft but we're in a Western context.
What Golden age? The huge amount of sequals of previous games, and games based on crappy movie, cartoon, book, etc. licenses? Having 25 different '2007' editions of various sports games with very little additions to them does not mean quality.
Yes, because there were not crappy movie, cartoon, or book licenses ever at any other time ever ever ever. Oh, and sequels were not invented until 2004, right?
Are you suggesting that you had 84 hours of class per week?
Like, seriously?
Cuz that's a little hard to believe, unless you had to take a ridiculous amount of credits because you slept through so many classes as an underclassman....
Because now that people have been exposed to the experience of games with real players, teams, and stadiums, most don't want to go back. You may feel differently, but you are definitely in the minority.
Given that millions of people in the US and billions of people worldwide care about games played by grown men, I'd say that with an attitude like that, you're not one of the in crowd, eh?
I'm calling Mod Parent Up, because yes, I think your analysis is correct. It is for the younger set and magazines aren't so interested in it. Nicely put.
Geez, how has the success of RuneScape gone so unnoticed? I mean, yeah, it's Java-based, and its graphics pale in comparison to other games, but yeowza, they're pulling in the subscribers, and they not backed by some huge corporation. Their accomplishments in this marketplace are nothing short of remarkable.
The NES Videos site isn't professional gaming, for starters, but its popularity can be attributed largely to the novelty factors of these videos, because such a large archive of videos like this doesn't really exist anywhere else. And yes, some of the videos are extremely cool.
They still don't equate with professional gaming, though.
I think you're right about the connection between the Alchemy Pot and the gold supply (I made a few dancing mails recently for a tidy profit), but I almost consider going to Neos for the goldmen cheating. Almost. I mean, it's not cheating because they're there and you're supposed to beat them and take their gold. Still, I find it a bit more interesting to make my money more organically (monsters, alchemy, finding it) but I don't begrudge anyone who would spend an extended period of time in Neos, and I'll admit that I've done a bit of it myself (but not a ton.)
Well, I won't get all fanboy on you, but I really have no complaints about Dragon Quest VIII. I won't say it's the perfect game, but it has no major flaws as far as I can tell and is just fun. There is lots to do outside of the main quest, the game itself is beautiful. I'll admit that I've always been a fan of the DQ/DW games (even played both SNES version with translation patches), but I really can't find fault with this one. Some people might think that gold is in too short a supply, but I think it just forces more strategic choices instead of "buy the most super awesome equipment for everyone ever at each town" way of thinking.
The #1 problem with televising a FPS (which, honestly, is what we're talking about here, as opposed to televising a RTS or sports game) is that there's nothing to focus on. If you're watching a ball sport, you have something to focus on-the ball. If you're watching a FPS, you have nothing to focus on. Sure, you can follow one player, but what if he doesn't see much action? You can follow the flag, but what if it gets locked down? So do you watch the middle of the play area? Switch around all the time?
I just don't think it's compelling. And I mentioned ball sports up there and dismissed Madden, but I don't think that people would watch a whole game of Madden (or baseball, hockey, whatever) repeatedly. Sure, there's Madden Nation on ESPN, but that's a novelty more than anything else, and it covers much more than the actual games.
Yes, they watch Starcraft on TV in Korea, but...that's...Korea. I'm not making a judgment about Korea, but the culture is just much better suited for this sort of thing for some reason.
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Your "I'm the Best, Most Enlightened Person Ever" medal is waiting for you at Wal-Mart.
I am willing to bet that you've never even heard of Sensible World of Soccer.
in the entire state of New Mexico?
I bet your TF mod got poor reviews. :P
Why are we still debating this? This question is so 1999. It's not a spectator sport because there aren't enough people who are knowledgable enough to make it profitable to televise on a regular basis. Yes, I know about South Korea and Starcraft but we're in a Western context.
The Cheat Commandos have it covered.
Every controller is throwable. Believe me, I've, uh, "conducted extensive research".
Thank God we have someone incompetent like Jack Thompson carrying the torch for this crusade instead of someone who actually knows what he's doing.
What Golden age? The huge amount of sequals of previous games, and games based on crappy movie, cartoon, book, etc. licenses? Having 25 different '2007' editions of various sports games with very little additions to them does not mean quality. Yes, because there were not crappy movie, cartoon, or book licenses ever at any other time ever ever ever. Oh, and sequels were not invented until 2004, right?
Are you suggesting that you had 84 hours of class per week? Like, seriously? Cuz that's a little hard to believe, unless you had to take a ridiculous amount of credits because you slept through so many classes as an underclassman....
Or what I said. Either one.
Because now that people have been exposed to the experience of games with real players, teams, and stadiums, most don't want to go back. You may feel differently, but you are definitely in the minority.
No, he says, "Mitchell at 1st". The video's right.
Given that millions of people in the US and billions of people worldwide care about games played by grown men, I'd say that with an attitude like that, you're not one of the in crowd, eh?
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I'm calling Mod Parent Up, because yes, I think your analysis is correct. It is for the younger set and magazines aren't so interested in it. Nicely put.
Geez, how has the success of RuneScape gone so unnoticed? I mean, yeah, it's Java-based, and its graphics pale in comparison to other games, but yeowza, they're pulling in the subscribers, and they not backed by some huge corporation. Their accomplishments in this marketplace are nothing short of remarkable.
The NES Videos site isn't professional gaming, for starters, but its popularity can be attributed largely to the novelty factors of these videos, because such a large archive of videos like this doesn't really exist anywhere else. And yes, some of the videos are extremely cool. They still don't equate with professional gaming, though.
So you're suggesting that you want this guy to die? Actually, yes, I guess so.
How could anyone forget this little gem? Rock 'n Roller
So you're sticking it to yourself?
Well, that answers that question.
I think you're right about the connection between the Alchemy Pot and the gold supply (I made a few dancing mails recently for a tidy profit), but I almost consider going to Neos for the goldmen cheating. Almost. I mean, it's not cheating because they're there and you're supposed to beat them and take their gold. Still, I find it a bit more interesting to make my money more organically (monsters, alchemy, finding it) but I don't begrudge anyone who would spend an extended period of time in Neos, and I'll admit that I've done a bit of it myself (but not a ton.)
Well, I won't get all fanboy on you, but I really have no complaints about Dragon Quest VIII. I won't say it's the perfect game, but it has no major flaws as far as I can tell and is just fun. There is lots to do outside of the main quest, the game itself is beautiful. I'll admit that I've always been a fan of the DQ/DW games (even played both SNES version with translation patches), but I really can't find fault with this one. Some people might think that gold is in too short a supply, but I think it just forces more strategic choices instead of "buy the most super awesome equipment for everyone ever at each town" way of thinking.
The #1 problem with televising a FPS (which, honestly, is what we're talking about here, as opposed to televising a RTS or sports game) is that there's nothing to focus on. If you're watching a ball sport, you have something to focus on-the ball. If you're watching a FPS, you have nothing to focus on. Sure, you can follow one player, but what if he doesn't see much action? You can follow the flag, but what if it gets locked down? So do you watch the middle of the play area? Switch around all the time? I just don't think it's compelling. And I mentioned ball sports up there and dismissed Madden, but I don't think that people would watch a whole game of Madden (or baseball, hockey, whatever) repeatedly. Sure, there's Madden Nation on ESPN, but that's a novelty more than anything else, and it covers much more than the actual games. Yes, they watch Starcraft on TV in Korea, but...that's...Korea. I'm not making a judgment about Korea, but the culture is just much better suited for this sort of thing for some reason.
See, I don't think you've actually laughed at the writing of each and every RPG you've ever played.
So, could there ever be any RPG plot you approved of?