It's a shame Tesla's build quality is so appalling.
I don't find that at all. Like I said, mine had a minor issue with the door panel that (IMHO) took too many times for them to fix, but they did eventually fix it. And the overall build quality is excellent.
For instance, my LEAF has a misaligned hood that Nissan couldn't fix after several attempts. Or our CR/V that had cosmetic issues when we got it.
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm trying to talk from personal experience with their real products here. That gets in the way of all the AC with the negative postings based upon hot air and no experience. Enjoy shorting!
Someone up above says that Nissan is doing as well in the EV business as Tesla. In 4 years I've put 29K miles on my LEAF and I commute in it nearly every day. It's a fine car, but it's still something made by the old-guard car manufacturers. It's controls were slow and dated when I bought in 3 years ago (they are all effectively unchanged since originally designed in 2010). The radio/nav is terrible. Remote access to it is so unreliable Nissan decided to never charge for it (not to mention that the 3G module drains the 12V battery because it gets "stuck"). Thankfully mine is not affected, but Nissan has had some terrible battery issues (both the first 24kWh battery in the 2011/2012 and the first 30kWh battery in the 2016 models have serious high deterioration rates). This says to be very wary of the 40kWh battery coming in the 2018 model.
The LEAF just wanes in comparison to my Model S. In 7 months I've put 13K miles on the S (almost all highway miles on trips trips of 200-600 miles on-way). There's no surprise since the S costs almost 3x the LEAF: it should be better. But the S is a marvel. The tech level in the car is amazing, and the OTA updates of the interface software mean that things get fixed or improved.
As an aside, I think the S is too big a car for my tastes, but I didn't want to wait any longer for a long-range EV. I still have a 3 reservation (to replace the LEAF), but I may cancel it and just keep the LEAF. Also, my S had a minor issue with the driver's door panel that I needed to bring it in to service for 3 times to get fixed correctly. But hey, when I got the LEAF, it had a issue with the heater leaking that had it sitting at the dealer for almost a month while they waited for parts. This things happen.
I agree, I came here to same the same thing. Mod +1.
I'm one of these new 5.3M subs this quarter. I never had a Netflix account until T-Mobile told me they'd pay for it (and I'd only just jumped ship to T-Mobile the month before).
Given the benefit for Netflix, I'd go so far to wonder if T-Mobile paid Netflix or Netflix paid T-Mobile.
Actually, lane tracking works pretty well in Tesla's AutoPilot. In the last month I did about 2000 miles total where I used AP2 for 97% of the miles. E.g., MA down to VA and back on 95. On the highway it's pretty solid, even when it was raining.
But I agree upon that fully autonomous vehicles seem a long way away. It's all the *other* events that would seem to require a leap in their current ability. Get off the highway and the behavior of AP2 is only OK. The leap in ability that would be needed for the car to navigate local roads by itself is exactly that: a leap.
The patent was filed with the U.S. patent office by Toyota North America, so if Toyota does go forward with this technology, we can probably expect to see it in cars in the U.S.
And if Toyota does not go forward with this technology, they won't put it in cars in the U.S.
I've been only driving electric cars for about 3.5 years. My LEAF is still my daily commute vehicle; it's got 27K miles in 3.5 years. Our Model S is our new family car for long trips. We've done several trips of 300-450 miles one way. We've put 6K miles on it in 4 months.
My Model 3 reservation is probably going to replace my LEAF. The LEAF is a great electric vehicle, but really suffers all the typical poor design/implementation of most auto manufacturers. The info system is pathetic; the remote access/status is unreliable (and can kill the 12V battery). Everything looks exactly like it did when it was first designed in 2010 (as it still does on new ones you buy today), and by 2010 standards it wasn't all that "modern".
Contrast this to Tesla where my car has had 3 OTA updates, each of which added new features. Everything is outstanding (except perhaps the amount of visibility in the rear view mirror).
Driving the range-challenged LEAF drastically changed my driving style. It's made me more aware of speed and acceleration (and put me in a hypermiling mindset). I don't need that in the Tesla, but it has helped.
Driving the Tesla long distance really shows where they are the game changer. None of my trips could have been done with a Chevy Bolt -- there just isn't the available, reliable charging infrastructure. Sites like plugshare.com (which is an absolute necessity in the LEAF) can help, but if you can't depend upon the charging stations being available or just working, then you can't really go on a trip. Taking any other car but a Tesla on a long road trip (400mii+) in the US is like traveling by covered wagon!
(It helps that the Supercharging network for my Model S is free; it won't be for those Model 3 owners).
But almost *all* of the "LEAF 2" pictures you can find to date are wishful thinking renderings. There is only 1 picture that is not, and that's of a headlight that was released by Nissan 2 weeks ago. Basically, what you think is amazing is likely *not* going to be what the LEAF 2 looks like!
I like to say the LEAF is so ugly only a mother could love it. FWIW, I've put 27K miles on my LEAF in 3 years; it's my daily commuter.
I think the Model S is sweet. It's certainly more fun to drive than the LEAF, and I can go lots of places my LEAF won't/can't take me in a reasonable amount of time. FWIW, I've put 5K miles on my S in 3 months.
There are very few pictures of the interior floating around from the Model 3 RCs driving around. It's best described as spartan, since there is nothing other than the 15" touchscreen. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tm...
The system also gives Cadillac's vehicles a safety check not available to Tesla, which can't stop drivers from using Tesla's semi-autonomous Autopilot even when they're not on a highway.
That's not correct! Tesla's system knows if you are on the highway or not. Currently cars with AP2 are strictly limited to 35MPH off a limited access highway, and 80MPH on it.
Intel is marketing the Optane Memory M.2 modules as caches for hard drives.
"Lather, rinse, repeat. With each duplicate task, the launching speed accelerated. The load time for Gimp, for example, dropped from about 14 seconds to 8 seconds, and then to 3 or 4 seconds as the Optane Memory cached the task."
That's only speeding up accesses for repeated tasks (which, granted, there are many of).
I think the problem Intel found is that Optane memory is too expensive right now in larger sizes. They came up with this cache module as their best way to market it. Is someone really going to spent $77 for a 32GB cache device when they can just spend $99 for a 256GB SSD?
In the end, especially in light of the "no proof of purchase required", everyone will probably get $1.43 per drive, or less. Meanwhile, those driving the class action suit will pull in $25M, or more.
I think LG is getting what they deserve for allowing carriers to lock the bootloader... even when I outright purchased the phone. This is true on the G3 and G4 on many carriers (excluding the international version -- you are in great shape if that works for you!).
I owned a G2 and had endless GPS-lock issues because of a faulty antenna design.
I own a G4 that has already been replaced for the bootloop issue. Other than that, and the damn locked bootloader, it's been a nice device. One day it will probably bootloop again; thus, I make sure to keep it backed up. What a waste of effort.
When the modular G5 came out, my first impression is that there was no commitment to the modular design, and sure enough it's been ditched already.
Yes, LG's handset division is hurting because they've made a number of bad designs and bad decisions.
FWIW... I've put 24K miles on a Nissan LEAF. I've got a Model 3 reservation and a Model S on order.
The deliveries of the Chevy Bolt to customers last month was a milestone event. *That* was great news for electric cars (notwithstanding that GM doesn't car if EVs succeed or not).
They are trying to leverage the Tesla approach to building a company: build a high-priced performance sports car first (Roadster), and then really usable cars after that. It worked for Tesla. (so far, but it looks like it will get them to the Model 3).
I doubt it will work for FF.
It's not like it was 9 years ago. There are lots of production EVs on the road, and more coming out all the time. A new superfast non-production 0-60 car.... who cars?
Meanwhile, FF is missing payments to vendors. It looks doubtful they'll last long enough to get this past prototype.
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yes, confirmation bias is strong with these buyers.
It is, but only because they really are awesome cars to drive.
I've put 18K miles on my Model S in the one year I've had it. Probably 16K of those miles were all done with AutoPilot - we did many 400+ mile trips.
I'm really worried about the Ready Player One movie. WTF are the race cars all those IOI employees are getting into?
The funny thing was that as I read Artemis, all I kept thinking was what an awesome movie The Moon is a Harsh Mistress would make.
the "Also Read" link goes to a video. Nothing to read there.
It's a shame Tesla's build quality is so appalling.
I don't find that at all. Like I said, mine had a minor issue with the door panel that (IMHO) took too many times for them to fix, but they did eventually fix it. And the overall build quality is excellent.
For instance, my LEAF has a misaligned hood that Nissan couldn't fix after several attempts. Or our CR/V that had cosmetic issues when we got it.
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm trying to talk from personal experience with their real products here. That gets in the way of all the AC with the negative postings based upon hot air and no experience. Enjoy shorting!
Someone up above says that Nissan is doing as well in the EV business as Tesla. In 4 years I've put 29K miles on my LEAF and I commute in it nearly every day. It's a fine car, but it's still something made by the old-guard car manufacturers. It's controls were slow and dated when I bought in 3 years ago (they are all effectively unchanged since originally designed in 2010). The radio/nav is terrible. Remote access to it is so unreliable Nissan decided to never charge for it (not to mention that the 3G module drains the 12V battery because it gets "stuck"). Thankfully mine is not affected, but Nissan has had some terrible battery issues (both the first 24kWh battery in the 2011/2012 and the first 30kWh battery in the 2016 models have serious high deterioration rates). This says to be very wary of the 40kWh battery coming in the 2018 model.
The LEAF just wanes in comparison to my Model S. In 7 months I've put 13K miles on the S (almost all highway miles on trips trips of 200-600 miles on-way). There's no surprise since the S costs almost 3x the LEAF: it should be better. But the S is a marvel. The tech level in the car is amazing, and the OTA updates of the interface software mean that things get fixed or improved.
As an aside, I think the S is too big a car for my tastes, but I didn't want to wait any longer for a long-range EV. I still have a 3 reservation (to replace the LEAF), but I may cancel it and just keep the LEAF. Also, my S had a minor issue with the driver's door panel that I needed to bring it in to service for 3 times to get fixed correctly. But hey, when I got the LEAF, it had a issue with the heater leaking that had it sitting at the dealer for almost a month while they waited for parts. This things happen.
I agree, I came here to same the same thing. Mod +1.
I'm one of these new 5.3M subs this quarter. I never had a Netflix account until T-Mobile told me they'd pay for it (and I'd only just jumped ship to T-Mobile the month before).
Given the benefit for Netflix, I'd go so far to wonder if T-Mobile paid Netflix or Netflix paid T-Mobile.
But now I need to worry about injection attacks when connecting to a power source. WTF?
IMHO, USB-C is not a good idea for all things.
Actually, lane tracking works pretty well in Tesla's AutoPilot. In the last month I did about 2000 miles total where I used AP2 for 97% of the miles. E.g., MA down to VA and back on 95. On the highway it's pretty solid, even when it was raining.
But I agree upon that fully autonomous vehicles seem a long way away. It's all the *other* events that would seem to require a leap in their current ability. Get off the highway and the behavior of AP2 is only OK. The leap in ability that would be needed for the car to navigate local roads by itself is exactly that: a leap.
Mod this up +1 Funny.
(or does no-one remember?)
And if Toyota does not go forward with this technology, they won't put it in cars in the U.S.
It's been in storage for 31 years. I'll have to open it up and see if it can still turn on and boot up NEWDOS.
I've been only driving electric cars for about 3.5 years. My LEAF is still my daily commute vehicle; it's got 27K miles in 3.5 years. Our Model S is our new family car for long trips. We've done several trips of 300-450 miles one way. We've put 6K miles on it in 4 months.
My Model 3 reservation is probably going to replace my LEAF. The LEAF is a great electric vehicle, but really suffers all the typical poor design/implementation of most auto manufacturers. The info system is pathetic; the remote access/status is unreliable (and can kill the 12V battery). Everything looks exactly like it did when it was first designed in 2010 (as it still does on new ones you buy today), and by 2010 standards it wasn't all that "modern".
Contrast this to Tesla where my car has had 3 OTA updates, each of which added new features. Everything is outstanding (except perhaps the amount of visibility in the rear view mirror).
Driving the range-challenged LEAF drastically changed my driving style. It's made me more aware of speed and acceleration (and put me in a hypermiling mindset). I don't need that in the Tesla, but it has helped.
Driving the Tesla long distance really shows where they are the game changer. None of my trips could have been done with a Chevy Bolt -- there just isn't the available, reliable charging infrastructure. Sites like plugshare.com (which is an absolute necessity in the LEAF) can help, but if you can't depend upon the charging stations being available or just working, then you can't really go on a trip. Taking any other car but a Tesla on a long road trip (400mii+) in the US is like traveling by covered wagon!
(It helps that the Supercharging network for my Model S is free; it won't be for those Model 3 owners).
But almost *all* of the "LEAF 2" pictures you can find to date are wishful thinking renderings. There is only 1 picture that is not, and that's of a headlight that was released by Nissan 2 weeks ago. Basically, what you think is amazing is likely *not* going to be what the LEAF 2 looks like!
I like to say the LEAF is so ugly only a mother could love it. FWIW, I've put 27K miles on my LEAF in 3 years; it's my daily commuter.
I think the Model S is sweet. It's certainly more fun to drive than the LEAF, and I can go lots of places my LEAF won't/can't take me in a reasonable amount of time. FWIW, I've put 5K miles on my S in 3 months.
There are very few pictures of the interior floating around from the Model 3 RCs driving around. It's best described as spartan, since there is nothing other than the 15" touchscreen.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tm...
Mod +1 Funny
"anonymous reader" writes:
The system also gives Cadillac's vehicles a safety check not available to Tesla, which can't stop drivers from using Tesla's semi-autonomous Autopilot even when they're not on a highway.
That's not correct! Tesla's system knows if you are on the highway or not. Currently cars with AP2 are strictly limited to 35MPH off a limited access highway, and 80MPH on it.
But they skimped on the maintenance, allowing tiles to get loose. Over time they loosened and fell off, resulting in major catastrophe.
This statement is entirely false.
The Space Shuttle had many things wrong with it, but tiles getting lose and falling off wasn't the source of any catastrophe.
Intel is marketing the Optane Memory M.2 modules as caches for hard drives.
"Lather, rinse, repeat. With each duplicate task, the launching speed accelerated. The load time for Gimp, for example, dropped from about 14 seconds to 8 seconds, and then to 3 or 4 seconds as the Optane Memory cached the task."
That's only speeding up accesses for repeated tasks (which, granted, there are many of).
I think the problem Intel found is that Optane memory is too expensive right now in larger sizes. They came up with this cache module as their best way to market it. Is someone really going to spent $77 for a 32GB cache device when they can just spend $99 for a 256GB SSD?
Mod up as "funny".
In the end, especially in light of the "no proof of purchase required", everyone will probably get $1.43 per drive, or less. Meanwhile, those driving the class action suit will pull in $25M, or more.
I think LG is getting what they deserve for allowing carriers to lock the bootloader... even when I outright purchased the phone. This is true on the G3 and G4 on many carriers (excluding the international version -- you are in great shape if that works for you!).
I owned a G2 and had endless GPS-lock issues because of a faulty antenna design.
I own a G4 that has already been replaced for the bootloop issue. Other than that, and the damn locked bootloader, it's been a nice device. One day it will probably bootloop again; thus, I make sure to keep it backed up. What a waste of effort.
When the modular G5 came out, my first impression is that there was no commitment to the modular design, and sure enough it's been ditched already.
Yes, LG's handset division is hurting because they've made a number of bad designs and bad decisions.
Only big corporations teach that?
FWIW... I've put 24K miles on a Nissan LEAF. I've got a Model 3 reservation and a Model S on order.
The deliveries of the Chevy Bolt to customers last month was a milestone event. *That* was great news for electric cars (notwithstanding that GM doesn't car if EVs succeed or not).
FF is missing the point.
They are trying to leverage the Tesla approach to building a company: build a high-priced performance sports car first (Roadster), and then really usable cars after that. It worked for Tesla. (so far, but it looks like it will get them to the Model 3).
I doubt it will work for FF.
It's not like it was 9 years ago. There are lots of production EVs on the road, and more coming out all the time. A new superfast non-production 0-60 car.... who cars?
Meanwhile, FF is missing payments to vendors. It looks doubtful they'll last long enough to get this past prototype.