I complained about spatial nautilus fairly heavily when it was announced. I hated it to begin with, but then I started using it, and it really turned out to work very well. I think a lot of people are turned off it because they have used it before in windows 95 and basically don't want a bar of it now, nomatter how well it works. Now I'll agree that listening to users is usually a good thing, but this was a case where what the users had to say was nothing but inaccurate prejudice. I'm glad that the people in charge were able to ignore my opinion and bring me something better than what I wanted.
Now something I really don't like is that aweful new file chooser.
I'm a Gnome developer. And it's not my buisiness that gnome is the standard desktop of any non-free distribution. By the time my package leaves my computer its free, and that's all I care about. If you payed someone for your distro, maybe you should ask them to fix your problem.
not deliberately sexist perhaps, but more likely designed by single men, for single men and with a "you have to change your life, because we're not changing our conditions" attitude
The system that was designed for single men, by single men has worked very well thus far. It has caused the industry to advance with a unprecedented velocity because of its culture of obsession, and isolation (which are two things that most but not all women I know generally find hard to deal with). It seems to me that the most productive and innovative companies are the ones that embody this culture the most, such as EA which although is a horrific workplace, manages to produce inordinate amounts of software. Open source which is done primarily by the most hardcore of nerds in an environment with typically no human contact, and at late hours because of sheer obsession has created some terrific software and innovation.
Beleive it or not, but I actually really like women, and I'd love to be in the company of many many women while working, especially if they are women who like and are good at computing and this is not simply because of sexual attraction, I actually like them for many reasons. So I most cordially welcome anyone to join this system as an equal, regardless of sex and also for that matter race, colour or creed. For it is true, computing does lack gender diversity. But simply put, if someone is wanting to be useful, they MUST adapt to the only system that has proved itself to work. If computing is to remain the 21st century's most cutting edge industry it must keep itself geared towards production over inclusiveness and comfort. As for losing people, if they are not willing to give themselves to the pursuit of excelence as the great minds of computing have done before them, they are simply not worth persuing because their potential, no matter how high, will not be exploited as well as the moderate potential of someone who is committed in mind, body and spirit to the tasks of this feild.
If women are kept out of the system because of active sexism, that is wrong and it needs to change. If women are kept out of the system because they don't fit into the system, they need to try to fit in. After all, there are plenty of systems relating to jobs that a geek would need to change their life to be a part of.
Stealing is about wrongful changing of ownership. When one steals a toaster from a department store, that toaster in effect ceases to be the property of the store and wrongfully becomes property of the theif, and there are laws to return ownership back to the rightful party.
When someone has intelectual property, they own the rights to it, they get the soul ability to control distribution, claim authorship and other rights.
If someone makes a copy of it, they breech the distribution rights of the original author, however they do not take any of of those parts of the intelectual property. The property is the rights over the data, not the data itself. Only the data is copied, the rights stay where they are and no rights are falsely claimed by the person who copied it.
However when they modify it, rebrand it and repackage it they are claiming those rights that are in effect the intelectual property. They are claiming distribution rights and claiming authorship.
What would be equivilant is taking a good, but little known song, then putting it onto a CD and claiming that it is mine. That way the author gets neither the credit for the song, nor the control over how the song is distributed. It doesn't allow the songwriter to disallow the song from being used in ways that they would find offensive to their work, (such as in an album with Achy Breaky Heart and the McCartney/Wonder rendition of Ebony and Ivory) or contrary to their morals (such as in a hardcore fetish porn film).
I don't pretend to advocate piracy. Control of distribution (such as through the GPL or other agreements) is part of the core of interlectual property rights. But it is a FAR cry from doing what these people did with someone elses software.
I've never actually watched the BBC, but wouldn't it be more apt to compare it with the government owned broadcasters in Australia (ABC, SBS)? Since ABC pretty much broadcasts BBC material 24/7 surely it can't be much different.
By the way, Britain does have twice the population of Australia, that could explain at least part of the difference in quality. But Australian TV does a great job of redefining pathetic. It makes me bewildered as to why pay tv isn't taking off here.
I have heard many people responding the same way to the same claim that women may in fact be on average less suited for particular tasks. To tell you the truth, most of them give a lot more explanation than this post. However I think many people make such rebuffs upon misunderstanding both the meanings and the motivations of what the grandparent said.
The meaning is misinterpreted as saying that all woman cannot do such things, no woman knows math, no woman understands science, no woman can employ linear reasoning in a manner that produces good results in a field such as engineering. This is clearly not the case, there are many women who are good at such things, I have an aunt that is an exceptional doctor for example. In fact I have been treated by many excellent physicians and surgeons that have been women. I was beaten in math by a female student in my final year in high school and I was actually taught math by a female teacher. What it means is there are simply more males who are good at such things, more males that think the right way, more males that are willing to have the single minded obsessive focus on particular problems that I myself have observed in females less commonly, in both fields that are "socially acceptable" for females and those that are not. There are very few women in this world that are willing to discuss many fields, particularly those related to technology, even when surrounded by people who's respect would actually be gained by participation. There of cause women who will heartily enjoy discuss such subjects and they are known amongst some male circles as "totally super awesome". Of cause it doesn't mean that all males are good at it either, or even that most males are good at such things, or even that many more males are suited to the task than females.
Secondly the motivations are misinterpreted as being either chauvinistic or misogynistic, as a way to prove male superiority and keep woman out of their domain. This is totally not the case. Claiming that most women are not as naturally talented at particular fields because of their physiology is not asserting they are inferior, it is simply making a generalisation on a very narrow part of a woman's skillset. It isn't meant to discuss worth, merely compatibility with a particular endeavour.
And to conclude. If anyone, regardless of sex, race, colour or creed really cares about "societal and social reasons" enough to keep them away from doing what they really want to do, then frankly, I think they would make atrocious computer nerd and I want them the hell away from the industry. I havn't been part of society or in any way social since I started programming. I know both males and females who are real computer geeks and they have both turned their backs on society to the same amount, they had to at least somewhat otherwise they wouldn't be good at what they do. I think society is probably the flimsiest explanation for something caused by physiology that I have ever heard, especially when it is related to computers.
1. By the same selective reasoning: in the last 24 years, twice as much time has been spent with a republican president as without (16 years under Reagan, Bush and Bush as opposed to 8 with Clinton). That doesn't really mean anything either.
2. They were right wern't they? The Vietnam war turned into a defeat for the western nations involved, a horrific period for the soldiers on both sides of the conflict, a drain on taxpayer money, a tragedy for the people of Vietnam and an embarrassment for everyone but Ho Chi Minh and the Soviet backers. Being right doesn't automatically make one into a biased left winger.
3. Most pedestrians havn't been violently assaulted on the streets, it doesn't mean crime isn't a problem.If one scientist has been pressured it would be too many.
Nothing but twisted rhetoric and logical fallacies with
If the picture has already been ogled by a bunch of deranged perverts for the purposes of sexual gratification, it's viewing by good natured individuals for the purposes of the protection of the victim and prosecution of the crime is hardly going to make anything much worse is it?
After reading through the link in your sig I get the feeling that you are pretty much just some dude with some major beef with ESR. I don't know if your right about the hacker/cracker subject as a whole or ESR, but I get the feeling that your desire to contradict him may mean that you are not the most impartial source of reference in this matter.
Just a little NPOV pointer.
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I go to UNSW in Sydney and actually have been in a tutorial which was taken by Dr Cresswell when my normal tutor was away about a year ago. This was when I was doing MATH 1231 (Mathematics 1b).
She seemed fairly competent teacher although it was obvious she took the class at almost zero notice as a favour for someone and didn't know what the hell we were supposed to be learning. She struck me as someone more in to research than teaching, though that applies to most accedemics I guess.
I went onto IRC and for some reason, during the course of the conversation, I mentioned the fact that I just came back from a math tute which was taken by a youngish, blonde, female substitute. Since I was talking to males on IRC, someone asked the obvious question: "is she hot". My reply was something like: "she's ok I guess, nothing special... she might look better under different lighting".
Now I find out on slashdot that she was voted one of Australia's 50 most beautiful people. So now I am thinking, um, are my standards abnormally high or what? No wonder I can't get a date.
But it's funny that a woman can be standing less than two meters away from a guy for an entire hour but he won't know she's hot without slashdot. I'm not kidding either.
The parent may be flamebait, but it is also a valid question. The only reason that I am aware that people ever were willing to pay for Xandros is because it is easy to use. Now Ubuntu is out and is not only a free download but is also a free CD while being just as easy to use as Xandros ever was, are people really going to seriously consider Xandros if they know about both?
What many people who make similar comments to this don't realise that many computer users are hackers and use computers for their hobby and/or their job. If linux ever fails to accomidate them, not only will it loose its core user base, but its volenteer development will grind to a halt and it will pretty much cease to exist.
Linux's universal adoption would be cool, however for it to do so, it must first and formost win geeks over though performance, flexibility and general coolness if it is ever going to stand a chance of becoming intuitive enough for the new user.
Many mods will moderate funny things as one of the catagories starting with 'I' because funny doesn't give any karma. If something is moderated as funny and is later moderated back down again, the poster could actually loose karma because of it so many mods think it is unfair.
AFAIK all the countries with a claim on parts of Antarctica officially use either Metric or SI. But the question remains, who in their right mind would want to join the 167 club when there are more impressive clubs on offer with the same entrance criteria?
Someone modded the parent of my initial post up, therefore someone beleives it and so I think the issue that the troll was meant to provoke needed clarification.
Furthermore, after reviewing this GPL our lawyers advised us that any products compiled with GPL'ed tools - such as gcc - would also have to its source code released. This was simply unacceptable.
Nice troll. This is utter garbage of cause, but it is common misconception so I'll rebut it. Just because something uses a tool doesn't mean it is subject to the same licence as the tool. Firstly, if this were the case, then any document created in an open source word processor or text editor would need to be GPLed which is clearly not the case (and would be dangerous for writing confidential documents). Even if compiling something with gcc made it a dirivitive work (which it doesn't), only the binary would be a dirivitive of gcc, and the source code would be completely unneffected since it is not modified by gcc. BeOS was compiled by gcc for the x86 platform and it remained closed source and propritary with no legal challenges.
we were informed by a lawyer that we would be required to publish our source code for others to use
One only has to release the source code under the GPL to the people you distributed the binary to.If you keep it wholly in house you only need to give the source code to anyone. If you make it for a single client you only need to give the source code to that single client. Of cause anyone who you give the source to is allowed to pass it on, but it isn't like you have to just broadcast it to the world just because you changed it.
If you are not trolling and have read what I have just said and still don't think its fair, think about this: the program you are modifing was written by thousands of other people, many of them with commercial tasks just like you, and they have let you use their code. If you want to distribute the hacked kernel without sharing your code, how is it fair for the people who have contributed beforehand?
Oh, and if you are not a troll, you really need to get yourself a new lawyer quick, because that lawyer just caused you a lot of wasted time and effort.
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Sure, we owe it to America to help them next time they get invaded. But until that happens, I say keep the fuck away from them.
You can also do no disservice to the US government, it is nothing but a bullying, selfish, semi-democratically elected thug with no sence of morality.
Fuck Australia. Fuck America. I'm going somewhere where the government has integrity.
Now something I really don't like is that aweful new file chooser.
I'm a Gnome developer. And it's not my buisiness that gnome is the standard desktop of any non-free distribution. By the time my package leaves my computer its free, and that's all I care about. If you payed someone for your distro, maybe you should ask them to fix your problem.
The term jurisprudence is also used in english speaking legal systems, at least it is here in Australia.
The system that was designed for single men, by single men has worked very well thus far. It has caused the industry to advance with a unprecedented velocity because of its culture of obsession, and isolation (which are two things that most but not all women I know generally find hard to deal with). It seems to me that the most productive and innovative companies are the ones that embody this culture the most, such as EA which although is a horrific workplace, manages to produce inordinate amounts of software. Open source which is done primarily by the most hardcore of nerds in an environment with typically no human contact, and at late hours because of sheer obsession has created some terrific software and innovation.
Beleive it or not, but I actually really like women, and I'd love to be in the company of many many women while working, especially if they are women who like and are good at computing and this is not simply because of sexual attraction, I actually like them for many reasons. So I most cordially welcome anyone to join this system as an equal, regardless of sex and also for that matter race, colour or creed. For it is true, computing does lack gender diversity. But simply put, if someone is wanting to be useful, they MUST adapt to the only system that has proved itself to work. If computing is to remain the 21st century's most cutting edge industry it must keep itself geared towards production over inclusiveness and comfort. As for losing people, if they are not willing to give themselves to the pursuit of excelence as the great minds of computing have done before them, they are simply not worth persuing because their potential, no matter how high, will not be exploited as well as the moderate potential of someone who is committed in mind, body and spirit to the tasks of this feild.
If women are kept out of the system because of active sexism, that is wrong and it needs to change. If women are kept out of the system because they don't fit into the system, they need to try to fit in. After all, there are plenty of systems relating to jobs that a geek would need to change their life to be a part of.
When someone has intelectual property, they own the rights to it, they get the soul ability to control distribution, claim authorship and other rights.
If someone makes a copy of it, they breech the distribution rights of the original author, however they do not take any of of those parts of the intelectual property. The property is the rights over the data, not the data itself. Only the data is copied, the rights stay where they are and no rights are falsely claimed by the person who copied it.
However when they modify it, rebrand it and repackage it they are claiming those rights that are in effect the intelectual property. They are claiming distribution rights and claiming authorship.
What would be equivilant is taking a good, but little known song, then putting it onto a CD and claiming that it is mine. That way the author gets neither the credit for the song, nor the control over how the song is distributed. It doesn't allow the songwriter to disallow the song from being used in ways that they would find offensive to their work, (such as in an album with Achy Breaky Heart and the McCartney/Wonder rendition of Ebony and Ivory) or contrary to their morals (such as in a hardcore fetish porn film).
I don't pretend to advocate piracy. Control of distribution (such as through the GPL or other agreements) is part of the core of interlectual property rights. But it is a FAR cry from doing what these people did with someone elses software.
By the way, Britain does have twice the population of Australia, that could explain at least part of the difference in quality. But Australian TV does a great job of redefining pathetic. It makes me bewildered as to why pay tv isn't taking off here.
Well, you're posting anonymous as well arn't you, or am I missing something?
Yeah, but there's a thing that kills people who go swimming in the ocean off new zealand too... it's called hyperthermia.
The meaning is misinterpreted as saying that all woman cannot do such things, no woman knows math, no woman understands science, no woman can employ linear reasoning in a manner that produces good results in a field such as engineering. This is clearly not the case, there are many women who are good at such things, I have an aunt that is an exceptional doctor for example. In fact I have been treated by many excellent physicians and surgeons that have been women. I was beaten in math by a female student in my final year in high school and I was actually taught math by a female teacher. What it means is there are simply more males who are good at such things, more males that think the right way, more males that are willing to have the single minded obsessive focus on particular problems that I myself have observed in females less commonly, in both fields that are "socially acceptable" for females and those that are not. There are very few women in this world that are willing to discuss many fields, particularly those related to technology, even when surrounded by people who's respect would actually be gained by participation. There of cause women who will heartily enjoy discuss such subjects and they are known amongst some male circles as "totally super awesome". Of cause it doesn't mean that all males are good at it either, or even that most males are good at such things, or even that many more males are suited to the task than females.
Secondly the motivations are misinterpreted as being either chauvinistic or misogynistic, as a way to prove male superiority and keep woman out of their domain. This is totally not the case. Claiming that most women are not as naturally talented at particular fields because of their physiology is not asserting they are inferior, it is simply making a generalisation on a very narrow part of a woman's skillset. It isn't meant to discuss worth, merely compatibility with a particular endeavour.
And to conclude. If anyone, regardless of sex, race, colour or creed really cares about "societal and social reasons" enough to keep them away from doing what they really want to do, then frankly, I think they would make atrocious computer nerd and I want them the hell away from the industry. I havn't been part of society or in any way social since I started programming. I know both males and females who are real computer geeks and they have both turned their backs on society to the same amount, they had to at least somewhat otherwise they wouldn't be good at what they do. I think society is probably the flimsiest explanation for something caused by physiology that I have ever heard, especially when it is related to computers.
However I believe that is far less of a priority for E17 since it will be an entire desktop.
Per capita, Australia is comfortably in 1st position, with 1.22 times as much downloaded by every person.
With that sort of population UK would be the fifth most populous country on earth, and only one million behind the fourth.
1. By the same selective reasoning: in the last 24 years, twice as much time has been spent with a republican president as without (16 years under Reagan, Bush and Bush as opposed to 8 with Clinton). That doesn't really mean anything either.
2. They were right wern't they? The Vietnam war turned into a defeat for the western nations involved, a horrific period for the soldiers on both sides of the conflict, a drain on taxpayer money, a tragedy for the people of Vietnam and an embarrassment for everyone but Ho Chi Minh and the Soviet backers. Being right doesn't automatically make one into a biased left winger.
3. Most pedestrians havn't been violently assaulted on the streets, it doesn't mean crime isn't a problem.If one scientist has been pressured it would be too many.
Nothing but twisted rhetoric and logical fallacies with
If the picture has already been ogled by a bunch of deranged perverts for the purposes of sexual gratification, it's viewing by good natured individuals for the purposes of the protection of the victim and prosecution of the crime is hardly going to make anything much worse is it?
Just a little NPOV pointer.
She seemed fairly competent teacher although it was obvious she took the class at almost zero notice as a favour for someone and didn't know what the hell we were supposed to be learning. She struck me as someone more in to research than teaching, though that applies to most accedemics I guess.
I went onto IRC and for some reason, during the course of the conversation, I mentioned the fact that I just came back from a math tute which was taken by a youngish, blonde, female substitute. Since I was talking to males on IRC, someone asked the obvious question: "is she hot". My reply was something like: "she's ok I guess, nothing special... she might look better under different lighting".
Now I find out on slashdot that she was voted one of Australia's 50 most beautiful people. So now I am thinking, um, are my standards abnormally high or what? No wonder I can't get a date.
But it's funny that a woman can be standing less than two meters away from a guy for an entire hour but he won't know she's hot without slashdot. I'm not kidding either.
The parent may be flamebait, but it is also a valid question. The only reason that I am aware that people ever were willing to pay for Xandros is because it is easy to use. Now Ubuntu is out and is not only a free download but is also a free CD while being just as easy to use as Xandros ever was, are people really going to seriously consider Xandros if they know about both?
Linux's universal adoption would be cool, however for it to do so, it must first and formost win geeks over though performance, flexibility and general coolness if it is ever going to stand a chance of becoming intuitive enough for the new user.
Many mods will moderate funny things as one of the catagories starting with 'I' because funny doesn't give any karma. If something is moderated as funny and is later moderated back down again, the poster could actually loose karma because of it so many mods think it is unfair.
AFAIK all the countries with a claim on parts of Antarctica officially use either Metric or SI. But the question remains, who in their right mind would want to join the 167 club when there are more impressive clubs on offer with the same entrance criteria?
Someone modded the parent of my initial post up, therefore someone beleives it and so I think the issue that the troll was meant to provoke needed clarification.
Nice troll. This is utter garbage of cause, but it is common misconception so I'll rebut it. Just because something uses a tool doesn't mean it is subject to the same licence as the tool. Firstly, if this were the case, then any document created in an open source word processor or text editor would need to be GPLed which is clearly not the case (and would be dangerous for writing confidential documents). Even if compiling something with gcc made it a dirivitive work (which it doesn't), only the binary would be a dirivitive of gcc, and the source code would be completely unneffected since it is not modified by gcc. BeOS was compiled by gcc for the x86 platform and it remained closed source and propritary with no legal challenges.
One only has to release the source code under the GPL to the people you distributed the binary to.If you keep it wholly in house you only need to give the source code to anyone. If you make it for a single client you only need to give the source code to that single client. Of cause anyone who you give the source to is allowed to pass it on, but it isn't like you have to just broadcast it to the world just because you changed it.
If you are not trolling and have read what I have just said and still don't think its fair, think about this: the program you are modifing was written by thousands of other people, many of them with commercial tasks just like you, and they have let you use their code. If you want to distribute the hacked kernel without sharing your code, how is it fair for the people who have contributed beforehand?
Oh, and if you are not a troll, you really need to get yourself a new lawyer quick, because that lawyer just caused you a lot of wasted time and effort.