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Hacker Penetrates T-Mobile Systems

An anonymous reader writes "SecurityFocus.com reports 'a sophisticated computer hacker had access to servers at wireless giant T-Mobile for at least a year, which he used to monitor U.S. Secret Service e-mail, obtain customers' passwords and Social Security numbers, and download candid photos taken by Sidekick users, including Hollywood celebrities.' Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved."

396 comments

  1. At first ... by isometrick · · Score: 1, Funny

    At first, I got "Nothing to see here" ... but Paris Hilton? Sounds like that guy had plenty to see ;-)

    1. Re:At first ... by Maestro4k · · Score: 1
      • At first, I got "Nothing to see here" ... but Paris Hilton? Sounds like that guy had plenty to see ;-)
      Nah, everyone's already seen plenty of Paris Hilton, a few grainy cell phone camera shots aren't worth anything. ;)
    2. Re:At first ... by KingPunk · · Score: 0

      a few grainy cell phone camera shots aren't worth anything. ;)

      hah, then atleast the quality has an excuse. that video was a joke.
      being a millionaire, they should atleast take enough pride in their sex tapes to release quality ones. sheesh!

    3. Re:At first ... by Eggplant62 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      From OFA: Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved.


      Any pussy shots, ya think?
  2. linkie? and recruitment by BoldAC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Genovese provided SecurityFocus with an address on his website featuring what appears to be grainy candid shots of Demi Moore, Ashton Kutcher, Nicole Richie, and Paris Hilton.

    Okay, all my Karma points for a link. :)

    The same source also offers an explanation for the secrecy surrounding the case: the Secret Service, the source says, has offered to put the hacker to work, pleading him out to a single felony, then enlisting him to catch other computer criminals in the same manner in which he himself was caught. The source says that Jacobson, facing the prospect of prison time, is favorably considering the offer.


    As much as we make fun of the computer knowledge of our governments, they finally seem to be on the right track. You must have some of these guys in your pocket to really have a chance. Can you trust them? Probably not completely... but if they bring you some knowledge, skills, and some of the most damaging players, then it's worth it.

    1. Re:linkie? and recruitment by JaffaKREE · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't understand why he asked for a proxy from this dude he had just met. Really, really stupid, especially when it turned out to be a government monitoring server.

    2. Re:linkie? and recruitment by Walkiry · · Score: 1

      >Okay, all my Karma points for a link. :)

      If his aren't enough I'll add my own to the lot.

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    3. Re:linkie? and recruitment by DingerX · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, just because he got into T-Mobile's system doesn't mean he has a lot of friends. Sure, most young males engaged in such activities are giants of men, with beautiful girls on each arm, and the social ease of a High Commissioner after a second martini, but they're not all so smooth. Heck, he was probably overwhelmed by the fact that the Secret Service took an interest in him, and, seeing photographic evidence that the rumors of those wild "protect the currency" parties were true, figured this was a better shot at a real job than a scattershot "to whom it may concern" resume mentioning everything but the name of the nun who kicked him out for one too many links to the xmas islands on the high school web page.

    4. Re:linkie? and recruitment by JDevers · · Score: 0

      So, the moral of the story is for those with "l33t 5ki11z" but no job to hack the shit out of a company that does some business with the government and hope to get noticed then get a job with them? Seriously, I DO think the government SHOULD enlist hackers, but I'm not so sure about crackers. How many people would hire a convicted burglar to watch over their property because "he knows the type of suspicious activity to look out for"???

    5. Re:linkie? and recruitment by Gruneun · · Score: 1
      You must have some of these guys in your pocket to really have a chance. Can you trust them? Probably not completely... but if they bring you some knowledge, skills, and some of the most damaging players, then it's worth it.

      Try telling the old lady whose credit card was swiped that you just gave the thief a six-figure salary and a supercomputer. We neutered our intelligence community a while back because it wasn't politically correct to work with bad people. Of course, you have to associate with unsavory types, but don't think for a second that average joe is going to embrace the idea.
    6. Re:linkie? and recruitment by HungWeiLo · · Score: 1

      How many people would hire a convicted burglar to watch over their property because "he knows the type of suspicious activity to look out for"???

      Apparently, most Vegas casinos hire ex-cheats to watch over the tables in the security monitor rooms.

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    7. Re:linkie? and recruitment by neoform · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why not hire convicted murderers as police officers/ditectives.. that way they can catch other killers better..

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    8. Re:linkie? and recruitment by nadadogg · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, the xmas islands, the most infamous registrar ever. How I miss thee, original location.

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    9. Re:linkie? and recruitment by JDevers · · Score: 1

      I guess with enough separation from the ability to commit the crime it is a decent idea. The cheats watching the camera CAN'T themselves cheat (at least not any more than any other crooked employee) while on the job.

      I would hope that the Secret Service would watch these guys like a hawk while they are employeed there...

    10. Re:linkie? and recruitment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Mod you as the troll, and then send you a link. :)

      Just send me the link and I'll post some troll comments. :)

    11. Re:linkie? and recruitment by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because murder isn't really an analog of hacking. Murder is usually a 1-time, spontaneous act of violence with little if any planning involved. It's more like breaking into an office and stealing the computer to get at the contents instead of hacking your way in via a network connection. I think a better comparison would be between hacking and *serial* killers, who traditionally put a lot more method into their madness because - like hackers - they want to keep coming back for more. And serial killers are quite frequently "hired" by the police afterwards when their methods and expertise are studied through profiling. A regular murderer doesn't get studied - just a jail sentence. A serial killer who's caught becomes a tool by which we catch the next one.

    12. Re:linkie? and recruitment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who is not gonna have to pay a cent or hell even have much trouble disputing the charges?

      it sucks she has to even bother, but honestly she is not out anything, barely any hassle let alone money.

      (if you didnt lose your actual card, you are usually liable for $0)

    13. Re:linkie? and recruitment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same source also offers an explanation for the secrecy surrounding the case: the Secret Service, the source says, has offered to put the hacker to work, pleading him out to a single felony, then enlisting him to catch other computer criminals in the same manner in which he himself was caught They want him to HACK THE PLANET

    14. Re:linkie? and recruitment by ajp · · Score: 1

      There's a resume link posted elsewhere in comments. This guy has a high-school education plus an associate's degree in some science-like field. He prominently lists attendance at a conference as his education and is thoughtful enough to include Notepad on the list of applications with which he's familiar.

      Recruit him? Give me freaking break already. This guy's no different than the group that breaks the windows in your candy shop and then offers to sell you a "protection service" because "they wouldn't want anything to happen to you."

      My guess is that the US government is using his ignorance and narcissism to screw him royally. And these are my tax dollars being well spent. Bravo!

    15. Re:linkie? and recruitment by ePhil_One · · Score: 1
      Try telling the old lady whose credit card was swiped that you just gave the thief a six-figure salary and a supercomputer.

      A six figure salary and a supercomputer? Re-watch the end of "Catch Me if You Can"; he'll get a low-grade government salary, half of what the guy whose paid to watch everything he does gets, he won't be allowed computers at home, not even a game console or Internet enabled refrigerator. If he objects, the government will just re-instate those other 999 charges, which he's probably waived his rights to the statute of limitations, meaning they can charge him in 15 years if they so choose. When its all done, he'll get a questionable recommendation and a small government pension.

      Woohoo!, where do I sign up!

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      You are in a maze of twisted little posts, all alike.
    16. Re:linkie? and recruitment by Gruneun · · Score: 2, Informative
      A six figure salary and a supercomputer? Re-watch the end of "Catch Me if You Can"; he'll get a low-grade government salary, half of what the guy whose paid to watch everything he does gets, he won't be allowed computers at home, not even a game console or Internet enabled refrigerator.

      I hate to break it to you, but that's a movie. It is, however, based on a true story. You might want to see how the real Frank Abagnale has been doing lately, though:

      http://www.abagnale.com/index2.asp
    17. Re:linkie? and recruitment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you implying that Frank was offered the equivalent of a six figure salary by the FBI after they finally arrested him? That they didn't ban him from print shops and the like where he might have reverted to his old ways and went back on the lam? Frank's current success is based more on the consulting work he's managed to procure since that time.

    18. Re:linkie? and recruitment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cheats watching the camera can't themselves cheat, but they could let cheat their fellow cheaters. Never put your enemies in charge of your own safety, you'll get burned eventually.

    19. Re:linkie? and recruitment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the hacking he did wasn't all that hackish.. There was a exploit in the old version weblogic tmobile was using back when it was still voicestream. This allowed a person to view the contents of a directory .
      watson.voicestream.com was the interface that companies used to setup new accounts and view account information.

      At the same place they had a "stresstest" program. This was basically a html form sitting in the same directory with a SUPERUSER username and password sitting in the fields already that was a live account on their system.

      From there it was all down hill.

    20. Re:linkie? and recruitment by chris_mahan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Spy agencies use a lot of different levers.

      See the case of the chinese woman who had a 20 year affair with a FBI agent. She was spying on the Chinese, for the FBI, and they paid her 1.7 million. Then the FBI got an interesting notion that she might be spying for the chinese, so they dragged her in court. Of course, the prosecution screwed up and the judge dismissed the case for infringement of her constitutional right. (that was in the paper a couple days ago).

      All this to show that the US government is not above giving lots of money (if for 20 years, 1.7 million is 85,000 a year, and I bet she did not pay taxes on that (what whould she put under profession?)).

      What the chinese used as a lever, if indeed they used her (she might have been a throwaway agent (read last chapter of The Art of War)), might also have been money (they have lots), since it obviously worked as a lever for her.

      As far as keeping them blackmailed, that's very very bad. It is very easy for foreign agents to turn such elements over. They say something like: We'll fake your death, you move to japan, give you an interpreter/girlfriend (here's her picture: Yowza!) and a beautiful house on the hill, with internet and computers, and 140,000 a year for 10 years. After that, you're free to go as you please. Think about it, you can get back at the SS for making you miserable. And you'll be helping mankind by keeping the balance of power so that there is no war.

      You think the CIA was born yesterday? (well, actually, under Bush Jr, it's being strangled to death now) They know their stuff. perhapes not as well as the russians or the chinese, but they do know their stuff. They would not be stupid enough to blackmail the guy. They want to make him think they saved his life from being the cig trade.

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    21. Re:linkie? and recruitment by UziBeatle · · Score: 0

      I think there are plenty of story 'morals' to go around in this one. Here are a couple or so of the key ones I pulled from it:

      First: A big company (Tmobile in THIS case) with lots of cash can hire people that supposedly know how to set up secure networks. Without arguing how cometent THEY were or are, it goes without saying they are probably more competent and knowledgeable than the countless hordes of joe blows out setting up home networks. What chance do ya have , Joe Blow? Not much. COver your ass and pray. Be paranoid and you have good reason to be.

      Second big moral: Ties to above. Same story but different outfit. United STates Secret Service compromised by bad practices. How freaking ironic and sad. It goes to show now matter how smart and
      hip you think YOU are you can be a total freaking idiot and be holed by the 'enemy'.

      I found the story very interesting and it encapusulates so well the issues affecting ANYONE connected to the electronic web we all use. NO matter how GD smart you think you are you can be hosed. It is with good reason to be paranoid about your personal information. THAT IS THE MORAL.

      I spammed everyone I knew on various email lists with this story in hopes SOME OF THE CLUELESS I know will read it and understand in some small aspect some of what I tend to rant about when it comes to computer security in general and when I go off on my MS bashing tangents what that is about as well.

      I suppose another moral is no matter how often those of us that try to lead the horse to water, the stupid jackass will continue to refuse to drink and die.

      Signed:
      Paranoid and for good reason.

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    22. Re:linkie? and recruitment by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

      "Can you trust them? Probably not completely"

      The FBI tried this before - read the Mitnick case about the one-legged crook they tried to use to bust Mitnick. Instead, Mitnick busted him IIRC.

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    23. Re:linkie? and recruitment by wytcld · · Score: 1

      You must have some of these guys in your pocket to really have a chance.

      Yeah, like when you're overbudget and need to make some free phone calls or pick up some new electronics gear with a stolen credit card, or need to blackmail a celebrity with their compromising photos.

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    24. Re:linkie? and recruitment by zonker · · Score: 0

      perhaps he got distracted while decorating his secret hideaway in the base of a volcano?

    25. Re:linkie? and recruitment by secretsquirel · · Score: 0
      "The cheats watching the camera can't themselves cheat, but they could let cheat their fellow cheaters. Never put your enemies in charge of your own safety, you'll get burned eventually."

      Thats why you have to pay them well enough that its not worth the risk. Sure there are some chonic thiefs who will do it for the thrill no matter what, but those cases are few and far between.

      In the vast majority of cases cheats cheat for only one reason, to make money, period. Give them a fat enough paycheck and they have little reason to cross you; especially in the case of casinos, where they know they're being watched like a hawk and if they get caught they go to the room with no cameras in it.

  3. Get Moore !?! by rednip · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Most troubling...
    T-Mobile, which apparently knew of the intrusions by July of last year, has not issued any public warning.

    Q: If I were a customer and I found out that my identity has been stolen, could I sue T-Mobile for any damages since they knew of the problem, or perhaps for just having breakable security?

    BTW, the Black Hat's email address (and online identity) is ethics@netzero.net and at one point was looking for work as a security administrator. Not a big surprise that he was interested in the field, but 'Ethics'!

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    1. Re:Get Moore !?! by ack154 · · Score: 3, Informative
      This might be why (though there's no stating if it's the actual reason or not):
      but may be postponed if a law enforcement agency determines that the disclosure would compromise an investigation
      That would be my guess anyways.
    2. Re:Get Moore !?! by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Q: If I were a customer and I found out that my identity has been stolen, could I sue T-Mobile for any damages since they knew of the problem, or perhaps for just having breakable security?

      RTFA:

      T-Mobile, which apparently knew of the intrusions by July of last year, has not issued any public warning. Under California's anti-identity theft law "SB1386," the company is obliged to notify any California customers of a security breach in which their personally identifiable information is "reasonably believed to have been" compromised. That notification must be made in "the most expedient time possible and without unreasonable delay," but may be postponed if a law enforcement agency determines that the disclosure would compromise an investigation.

      It appears that if you sue, you won't win.

    3. Re:Get Moore !?! by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As I read even more of the FA:

      According to court records the massive T-Mobile breach first came to the government's attention in March 2004, when a hacker using the online moniker "Ethics" posted a provocative offer on muzzfuzz.com, one of the crime-facilitating online marketplaces being monitored by the Secret Service as part of Operation Firewall.
      "[A]m offering reverse lookup of information for a t-mobile cell phone, by phone number at the very least, you get name, ssn, and DOB at the upper end of the information returned, you get web username/password, voicemail password, secret question/answer, sim#, IMEA#, and more," Ethics wrote.

      It appears the feds knew about this months ago.

    4. Re:Get Moore !?! by Trigun · · Score: 1

      Do a google search on the e-mail. He's offered to sell private info to debt collectors, and appears to be quite active on the neohapsis sites as well.

      Interesting reading.

    5. Re:Get Moore !?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lkots of wannabes and ankle biters want this...

      no not to do what everyone does and work up to administrator but start off at the >$150K level.

      Duh you fucktards, NO company on this planet will hire you that way.

      how can they be smart enough to hack yet too damn stupid to know anything else?

      yes he was VERY stupid, bordering on the retard level.

      no repsect and nothing but a HUGE diss from me and everyone else that knows that cracking is not that hard.

      social engineering... that is fricking hard. Cracking your fellow humans is certianly the realm of the genius.

    6. Re:Get Moore !?! by rednip · · Score: 1
      Under California's anti-identity theft law "SB1386,"...
      Trouble with that is, I don't live in California, if it was a federal law, then that would apply. However, I do think that most courts would say that to protect a ongoing investigation, it might be permissable for a short time. Of course it looks like the Feds held this for more than 6 months! Also, the initial breech was due to T-Mobile's lack of security.

      Personally I don't think that companies will start taking their security seriously until big judgements are passed in class action lawsuits. When the bean counters find that the cost of truely secure systems is less than the cost of a lawsuit then these companies (like T-Mobile) will start taking security seriously. Any class action lawyers out there should take note, I believe Juries will hand out big bucks from companies who are careless with their personal information.

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    7. Re:Get Moore !?! by DingerX · · Score: 1

      It's to protect an ongoing investigation, not necessarily the one into the breach. If he's kept working for the SS on sensitive matters in which the T-Online intrusion story could be argued to compromise such an investigation, well, wouldn't that count too? Hmm, come to think of it, if I were Deutsche Telekom, I'd dearly want that to be the case.

    8. Re:Get Moore !?! by rasz · · Score: 0

      and if you google for post of "ethics" on usenet you will find his name and second name ... those secret service agents sure need to learn a lot :/

    9. Re:Get Moore !?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I`m guessing you`re an American if the first thing you think about is litigation.

    10. Re:Get Moore !?! by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

      ...and at one point was looking for work as a security administrator.

      So, what does one do when looking for employment, and nothing is found? You start starving, and looking harder. Eventually, you get so pissed off at not having any income, that you'll either contribute to Open Source of FS, or you TURN TO THE DARK SIDE!

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    11. Re:Get Moore !?! by Neurotoxic666 · · Score: 1

      BTW, the Black Hat's email address (and online identity) is ethics@netzero.net

      Even more fun: G

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    12. Re:Get Moore !?! by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1

      This is what tort law is good for, ladies and gentlemen. With tort law, there doesn't have to be a specific law "on the books". If you've been damaged by a party (and I think a lack of disclosure may qualify), then you are entitled to sue the other party for amends.

    13. Re:Get Moore !?! by maotx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Google search of his e-mail brings up 161 posts.

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  4. Sophisticated Hackers by randalx · · Score: 4, Funny

    Didn't know Demi Moore and Paris Hilton were that good with computers.

  5. Candid Photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and download candid photos taken by Sidekick users, including Hollywood celebrities.' Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved.

    Bleaugh! That's punishment enough for the guy, don't you think?

  6. Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by Dragoon412 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved.

    Can't it just be assumed, at this point, that if there's some major event involving porn, that Paris Hilton is involved?
    1. Re:Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by Stevyn · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      This whole thing was probably conceived to give Paris Hilton more publicity. Who cares? Why does anybody care about her?

    2. Re:Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by ack154 · · Score: 1

      Can't it just be assumed, at this point, that if there's some major event involving porn, that Paris Hilton is involved?

      Likely, yes. But where's the porn? They just said some candid snapshots...

    3. Re:Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by doublem · · Score: 3, Insightful

      She's what the media says should be the "perfect" woman. According to Hollywood and fashion designers, she's ideal.

      Wealthy
      Thin to the point of being unhealthy
      High Libido
      Slutty
      Blond
      Dumb as a post.

      As a result, the media HAS to go nuts about her, because toothpicks like her are the kind of trash they've been throwing at us for ages.

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    4. Re:Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by Sumbody · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking Catherine Zeta-Jones was involved too - she probably has a gazillion T-Mo brownie points negotiated, and they'd never suspect an inside job. She probably hands out Sidekicks and BlackBerrys as party favors. Plus, she's distractingly beautiful.

    5. Re:Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      This whole thing was probably conceived to give Paris Hilton more publicity. Who cares? Why does anybody care about her?

      I doubt it. But people care simply because people care. Most popular people are popular because they are popular. Look back at the popular people from HS and whatnot. Paris Hilton is pretty hot, a little thin for my liking. I've seen her publicity stunt sex tape, and she's as boring having sex as she is in general. IMHO an average to below average fuck. She does have that "show dog" look about her. I guess it comes from good genes and knowing that she can do and have whatever she wants with the whole world watching.

      Give it 10 years and see how she is doing.

    6. Re:Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

      It's really sad how right you are. The next question, then, is why do people accept it. The media can't afford us to feed us trash like that unless people buy it. I don't get how there can be so many people out there actually interested in someone as freaky as Paris Hilton. Is it simply for the spectacle, the perverse interest in seeing people more messed up than one's own self, or something else? It sounds like every day of her life is a new episode of the Jerry Springer Show.

    7. Re:Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by Entouchable · · Score: 1

      It's not difficult. She is hot. I dont mind when she comes on tv. Granted opinions are across the board on her, a common consensu among guys i know is that she's deserving of such lust ;)

    8. Re:Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by doublem · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, it all has to do with economics. The western economy is a culture of shame. "You're not good enough, so buy this product to BECOME good enough." The idea is to create expectations that are impossible to reach, so people are always striving and buying to get something they can never have.

      Mind you, I don't for a moment think this is the result of any kind of organized conspiracy. This is the logical consequence of about a century and a half of advertising campaigns telling us ways we're "not good enough."

      Toys like Barbie don't help matters much. I won't speculate about the motives behind the people who created the doll and it's proportions, but the end result has been a couple of generations of women growing up trying to look like that, and men growing up to expect women to look like that.

      One of the replies to your post was from someone who finds Paris attractive. I'm sure there's a percentage of people who are just naturally hard wired for those preferences, but given the fact that Paris' body isn't really capable of supporting a pregnancy without medical aid, I doubt she matches the image of what we EVOLVED to prefer.

      This advertising based image of the "ideal" is older than anyone alive today, and has become so ingrained that most people think its "normal" to find such an absurd image attractive, and even grow hostile towards those who imply otherwise.

      Actually, given the photos I've seen of Paris, and the statistics I've read (Some VERY thin friends are having kids) her chances of having a child with birth defects are a few orders of magnitude greater than the average American's. Having so little weight probably makes it difficult to carry a fetus to term and provide it the nutrients it needs to develop properly.

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    9. Re:Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      Oh god, that's another vote from me >:( - how right you are.

      I couldn't find that woman less attractive - she's ghastly.

      and while I'm at it, she's a dud lay too, we've all seen the video.

    10. Re:Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by RenaissanceGeek · · Score: 1
      Toys like Barbie don't help matters much. I won't speculate about the motives behind the people who created the doll and it's proportions

      Actually, from an interview with the "creator" of Barbie that I once read, the "prototype" of the original doll was actually a gag-gift for soon-to-be-married bachelors purchased in Germany. A sort of a "now that you've found your "perfect" woman, we're going to give you something impossible to compare her to" kind of gift: the kind that validates the single status of the giver in the face of the choice of the fiancé to give up bachelorhood.

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    11. Re:Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by Andrew+Cady · · Score: 1
      One of the replies to your post was from someone who finds Paris attractive. I'm sure there's a percentage of people who are just naturally hard wired for those preferences, but given the fact that Paris' body isn't really capable of supporting a pregnancy without medical aid, I doubt she matches the image of what we EVOLVED to prefer.
      Exempting, of course, the fact that we have evolved to prefer what is desired by others. The purpose of the beautiful wife is two-fold: to bear beautiful children, but also as a symbol of status and success.
    12. Re:Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by doublem · · Score: 1

      I'm not really sure we've evolved to "desire what's preferred by others". I think that's more a matter of socialization. We're clearly a species of "Followers" and "Leaders" but there's no way to tell how much of that is evolved and how much is the result of upbringing.

      But you're right, the ones who've either evolved as, or been socialized as, followers will tend to follow the preferences of others, regardless of the evolutionary suitability of said mate. If it's evolved, then the people who bent to the will of their leaders were more likely to survive.

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  7. The Register has an article too ... by un1xl0ser · · Score: 2, Informative
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    1. Re:The Register has an article too ... by yasth · · Score: 1

      By Kelly Martin, SecurityFocus ===== Look at the byline.

      Yeah that is right syndication.

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  8. Candid and intimate photos of Paris? by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 0

    Dear God what have we become?!!!! Barbarians,..one and all....

    1. Re:Candid and intimate photos of Paris? by KontinMonet · · Score: 2, Funny

      Here's a link

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  9. Argh... by Azrel666 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Hacker... you mean cracker?

    1. Re:Argh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      you mean cracker?

      How do you know he's white?

    2. Re:Argh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No, hacker. The hacker/cracker distinction is only for the inner geek circles. Hacker in the mainstream means both.

      Words can have multiple meanings.

    3. Re:Argh... by Horse+Rotorvator+JAD · · Score: 1

      No. A cracker breaks copy protection schemes. That is the way that it has been since the old Apple and C64 days back in he 1980's.

      Oh and tell that ruddy faced loudmouth ESR to STFU. K. Thx.

    4. Re:Argh... by donscarletti · · Score: 1
      After reading through the link in your sig I get the feeling that you are pretty much just some dude with some major beef with ESR. I don't know if your right about the hacker/cracker subject as a whole or ESR, but I get the feeling that your desire to contradict him may mean that you are not the most impartial source of reference in this matter.

      Just a little NPOV pointer.

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  10. If a thread doesn't include pictures? by gimpimp · · Score: 1, Funny

    does it really exist?

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  11. Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved? by Atrax · · Score: 1

    Why am I not surprised?

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  12. His Resume is posted online ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://lists.jammed.com/securityjobs/2001/09/att-0 059/01-RESUME_OF_NICHOLAS_JACOBSEN.txt

    1. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 1

      interesting stuff from the FR -
      * Applications: Microsoft Visual Studio, Microsoft Office Suite, ...L0phtcrack, Crack/John the Ripper/Derivatives, ...among others.
      * Techniques: Firewall Configuration, ...Social Engineering, Intrusion Detection/Analysis, and Cryptography.

    3. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Applications: Notepad

      wow, this guy is some kind of computer genius

    4. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by gustgr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Applications: Microsoft Visual Studio, Microsoft Office Suite, Paint Shop Pro, Corel Suite, Maya 2.5, FrontPage, Dreamweaver, Ultraweaver, Homesite, TopStyle, Adobe (various), AutoCAD, AutoDesk Inventor, Filemaker Pro, Borland Programming Suite, Flash, Poser, Internet Space Builder, Retina, Nscan, Nmap, Visual Route, PGP, SATAN, SANTA, SAINT, L0phtcrack, Crack/John the Ripper/Derivatives, Iris, Notepad, Ultra Edit, SoftIce, among others.

      Wow, Ubbercracker!

      No, Seriously... is my mom a hacker too? She just mastered MS Office...

    5. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He even had BOOKS he's read in his resumè... no wonder he could'nt get a job.

      Education:
      "Lord of the Rings" - JRT
      "How to flip burgers for 1$/hr" -R. McD

    6. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, but can't he run a spell check? Not that it would have caught the fact that you can apparently get a massage at his phone number instead of leaving a message...

    7. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by infochuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      HAHAHAA... has anybody actually read this? Basically, his experience amounts to attending security conferences and listening to presentations, as well as setting up booths for other computer conferences. Lots of experience on IRC.

      So basically, some script kiddy gets luckky and finds a router with the default password set and wreaks havoc. Nice to know the Telecom business is paying attention to security.

    8. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by oni · · Score: 1

      Also this:
      Massage: (503) 287-4812

      Those skills will be much in demand where he's going!

      As to putting "Applications" on your resume and listing a bunch of programs that you can point and click your way through, I personally don't do it, but I understand why other people do. It's because HR droids are programmed to "look for someone who can use visual studio" and they just throw away all the resumes that don't have that on them. Realistically, you should be looking for someone who knows a particular programming language. They can pick up the IDE in about a week. Nonetheless, listing notepad is kind of lame.

    9. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by jupitercore · · Score: 1

      He's even posted to SecurityFocus' job postings back in 2001. Resume is as shown above, but sent via a Hotmail address.

      Amazing.

    10. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone note that it might be just a tad kinky that he listed not a number for telephone, but for "Massage?"

      Hard to get the IT security field to take you seriously when you are offering full-body oil rubs out of a rented room in Oregon. Try getting an office, or a T-Mobile cell phone for legitimacy!

    11. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please visit Slashcode bug #981137, which concerns automatically hyperlinking URLs in "Plain Old Text" mode, and add a comment to show your support for a speedy resolution. No progress has been made on this trivial feature request for longer than six months.

    12. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by Merlisk · · Score: 1

      Heh...Rule #1: Always have someone grammar check your resume':

      Massage: (503) 287-XXXX

      If you want a massage, give him a call?

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    13. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by srussell · · Score: 1
      Clicky... AC, so no karma whoring for me. :-)

      Why do you care? I mean, are there people who have so little to do that they track who is "karma whoring"? --- SER

  13. Not-so Secret Service by Vollernurd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Surely the Secret Service would encrypt anything important? I would have though that they would not have used a commercial network service like that. But then again mum always told me not to think too much.

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    1. Re:Not-so Secret Service by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 4, Funny
      I would have though that they would not have used a commercial network service like that.

      In other news, The President had to be reminded (again) that the White House Lobby Pay Phone should not be used to call Ariel Sharon.

    2. Re:Not-so Secret Service by fizban · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hello? Welcome to the United States. The internet infrastructure is built and controlled by companies. It's not like our government agencies have their own internet. If a Secret Service Agent needs to send an email to the home office, he'll pick up his sidekick, his Blackberry, his Palm, his laptop, etc., connect to a service provider like T-mobile, Verizon, Comcast, etc. and send his message or store his files. Probably encrypted, but maybe not always if it's not a considered a very sensitive communication.

      A lot of people have crazy delusions that secret agencies live in some far off technical wonderhome, where all communications are encrypted with some super 733t MD67 algorithm never before seen by any other person in the world, all access is controlled by handprint and retinal scan identification and everyone walks around with James Bond gadgets in their pockets. It's just not so. These people live and work in normal offices and normal homes and deal with the same crappy, bug-ridden and insecure hardware and software that the rest of us do. It's probably a bit better than your normal corporate office, but not by much.

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    3. Re:Not-so Secret Service by visualight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know what they're complaining about. I thought we weren't supposed to have an "expectation of privacy" with email. So it's legal to read anyones email without violating their privacy right?

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    4. Re:Not-so Secret Service by Rick+Genter · · Score: 1
      It's not like our government agencies have their own internet.


      So, MILNET doesn't exist any more?
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    5. Re:Not-so Secret Service by Maestro4k · · Score: 2, Insightful
      • A lot of people have crazy delusions that secret agencies live in some far off technical wonderhome, where all communications are encrypted with some super 733t MD67 algorithm never before seen by any other person in the world, all access is controlled by handprint and retinal scan identification and everyone walks around with James Bond gadgets in their pockets. It's just not so. These people live and work in normal offices and normal homes and deal with the same crappy, bug-ridden and insecure hardware and software that the rest of us do. It's probably a bit better than your normal corporate office, but not by much.
      Well I don't think they have any super leet encryption, but I do expect them to be smart enough to encrypt anything sensitive. According to the article many of the documents this guy obtained were things that most definitely should have been encrypted. I think a good question is why this agent was sending this stuff unsecured, and if he was disciplined for allowing a security breach to occur. (Face it, since he didn't encrypt the documents and passed them over a monitorable network he's partially responsible.)
    6. Re:Not-so Secret Service by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      With the ease of adding GPG/PGP encryption to default on your email, there really is no excuse for agents not to encypt all messages.

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    7. Re:Not-so Secret Service by MarkGriz · · Score: 1
      "Surely the Secret Service would encrypt anything important?"

      Probably encrypted, but maybe not always if it's not a considered a very sensitive communication.

      FTFA:
      Twenty-one year-old Nicolas Jacobsen was quietly charged with the intrusions last October, after a Secret Service informant helped investigators link him to sensitive agency documents that were circulating in underground IRC chat rooms.

      I think the grandparent has a point. Maybe not use their own dedicated network, but there is certainly email encryption software available on any PDA, that would probably have been useful here.
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    8. Re:Not-so Secret Service by juanfe · · Score: 1

      It's actually usually a bit worse than your average corporate office--at least in average corporate office you usually have one IT group making decisions and aren't bound by lowest bid contract rules for services. Did some consulting work for a USSS app in a previous life and have plenty of friends who do the federal job thing--i hear these stories often.

      USS IT program managers are just like program managers anywhere else. Some of them understand technology in depth. Others can recite buzzwords on command without a sense as to what they mean.
      Add to that the complication that in the federal government, depending on the agency, different kinds of telecoms services are bought and supported by different groups. Add to that the sales processes of many telcos, which sell "the security story" of their stuff without necessarily providing all the instructions as to how to use them once sold, and there you go: a USSS unencrypted communication on a mobile device.

      Say USSS IT PM wants to give his folks blackberries. USSSITPM calls friendly T-mobile account manager. FTAM says "sure, BlackBerry is y our thing, you have as highly secure, end-to-end, FIPS 140-2 certified triple-DES encrypted" [non-fed-speak;it's good by your own security standards].
      So USSS IT PM says "No prob, give me 300". [Good call too--it's actually somewhat comforting that these devices are used as widely in fed. gov't, since they do have a very strong security infrastructure for a widely available commercial device].

      So USSS IT PM is happy with Blackberries, now he wants to put wireless WAN cards on laptops for those who already are on the field a lot of the time and can't get a BB because working with large docs yadda yadda. Sure, FTAM say, we can put GPRS cards on your laptops. How about security? USSSITPM asks. Ah, GPRS is seucre, FTAM says, "we encrypt all over the air transactions, so it never goes out in the clear over the air" and USSSITPM says "ok, give me five". Never mind that it goes out in the clear inside carrier's network and to mail server.

      Put on USSS Agent Bagodonuts' laptop. Bagodonuts has a degree in criminology, a law degree, and has gone through USSS boot camp--but doesn't understand technology well. Bagodonuts writes his memo in Word, uses tabs to indent paragraphs and spaces to create columns, doesn't know how to turn off Clippy. He's out in Dubuque and needs to send it back to DC from the airport, can't get the VPN thing working because the GPRS card dohickey uses some kind of compression which breaks VPN. Sends it straight from Outlook express through to SMTP server (one of his office buddies taught set it up for him).

      There you go. Sensitive file sent out in the clear. The infrastructure was there, the rules were there, but the services didn't match the expectations.

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    9. Re:Not-so Secret Service by clymere · · Score: 1

      actually, they do have their own network. A lot of gov't facilities give workers two different computers on their desk: one for the public internet, one for their private one. I guess it would be more difficult to build their own cell network.

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    10. Re:Not-so Secret Service by Tassach · · Score: 1
      (Face it, since [the SS agent] didn't encrypt the documents and passed them over a monitorable network he's partially responsible.)
      I'd say the agent is entirely responsible. Even if the system hadn't been hacked, the email was still going through networks servers not controlled by the SS. The administrators of those systems can legitimately monitor anything that happens on them.
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    11. Re:Not-so Secret Service by fizban · · Score: 1

      I didn't say anything about them not having their own internal networks. I said they don't have their own internet.

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    12. Re:Not-so Secret Service by fizban · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, there weren't any MILNET access points at the local Starbucks.

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    13. Re:Not-so Secret Service by SlayerofGods · · Score: 1

      I work for the DOJ but I bet the Secret Service has something similar.
      Every year they make use go through computer secrurity training where they tell us not to use outside networks, not to foward our emails to out side servers, and generaly not to breach security.
      Do people listen? Nope. Because if they don't understand why they don't listen.
      I know for a fact we encypt all office to office email messages and use a VPN. So it's not for lack of trying.

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    14. Re:Not-so Secret Service by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      They do - the SIPRNET and the NIPRNET. They are basically Internets created by the government using a completely separate physical network. No computer on either of those networks can be on the public Internet.

      Remember how the Internet started as a DARPA project? That would be why - because the government wanted a way to send information between offices all over the world.

      Notice the article said "sensitive" information, but never "classified" information - that means that any information that the hacker found wasn't considered extremely important to keep safe.

      I have a feeling that most of the email read would be of the "really boring" variety. Government workers are people too - so he probably got a load of "I'm stuck in traffic, hopefully be there in 30 minutes" and "Joe's Retirement Party" style emails. Stuff that's basically really boring and not very useful to outsiders. Of course, even information like that could still be considered sensitive, because figuring out where Joe had been in the past six months could help determine what his activities for the past several months are.

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    15. Re:Not-so Secret Service by wolfi · · Score: 1

      Sorry, using S/MIME or (G)PG(P) isn't really rocket surgery anymore and you don't need 'Q' to equip you with fancy gadgets to do it.

      If "highly sensitive information pertaining to ongoing USSS criminal cases." got transmitted in the clear over a public service provider there isn't really any excuse.

    16. Re:Not-so Secret Service by iamwahoo2 · · Score: 1
      In general DOD has the same policies as well, only here people really do follow it. That is why I would assume that these were not sensitive documents. Additionally, the agent they were stolen from, Peter Cavicchia, is an expert on communications fraud:

      http://www.cfca.org/AudioTapes.html

      If it was sensitive... How very embarrassing for him... not good for his career either.

    17. Re:Not-so Secret Service by borgasm · · Score: 1

      Uh....gotta disagree with you on the government Internet comment The government has a pretty cool secure network used for communication This is stuff that you need a high level clearance just to look at....

    18. Re:Not-so Secret Service by UziBeatle · · Score: 0



      Yeah, makes ya wonder don't it? THe folk we 'trust' in government are often far stupider than we
      can imagine or credit. That's one reason why we all should have a distrust of anything govermental or corporate. Period.

      On the other hand.. ponder this. Maybe this is all just one giant planetary 'honey pot'. Reach in and grab some and surely, someone, someTHING somewhere, is watching. Think about that too long and your head may start to hurt.

      Mum may have been right.....

      Then again, she may have been one of 'them'.

      This could all be part of some ULTRA Backdoor
      Psych Op to engage massive population reverse psychology and lure us into a false sense of paranoia....

      I drank too much tea methinks....

      Cheers.

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    19. Re:Not-so Secret Service by GSloop · · Score: 1

      But I'm pretty sure SSL works just fine.

      It's not milnet, but heck, a decoder ring would be more secure than emailing sensitive/secret documents as unencrypted/unsecured attachments to yourself and it appears as though they were stored on TMobile's servers.

      The only reason this guy is getting a deal is that the SS would like to keep its dirty laundry under wraps. I suspect the document breach is even worse then we have been told.

      Sheesh, dumb kid hacker - even dumber SS agent, in the "cyber crime" department no less. Cyber-crime - does that mean they commit the crimes or what?

      Cheers,
      Greg

    20. Re:Not-so Secret Service by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      How is this a surprise? A lot of people think aliens are coming down from on high and giving people anal probes. Hidden government super-technology pales by comparison.

      Max

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    21. Re:Not-so Secret Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MILNET? you mean SIPRNET

    22. Re:Not-so Secret Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure about NIPRNET not being on the public internet. I'm sitting on a NIPRNET machine right now, writing this, and i have a routable IP.

    23. Re:Not-so Secret Service by flosofl · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually it started as ARPAnet. And it wasn't started to send information "all over the world" for the government offices. It was started as way to:

      1 - eliminate the need for 4 different terminal types on one desk.(that was how the idea germinated)

      2 - Facilitate the sharing of information beteween gov't contractors and researchers who had ARPA grants.

      3 - A way to timeshare systems for researchers who would not oridinarily have access to such systems.

      It was US centric at the beginning and ARPA and ARPA's subcontractors/researchers only.

      And to head this off at the pass, ARPA net was NOT designed for fault tolerence of command/control during a nuclear war. That was the impetus behind Paul Baran's development of the idea of packet-switching networks (that wasn't his name - the term "packet" came from Davies who sorta developed the same idea concurrently). He could never drum up support for the idea with ATT (really the only entity that could impliment it at the time). They said it was stupid idea. ARPA later grabbed the idea and used it because it lent a robustness to otherwise unlreliable lines of communications and the IMPs that terminated each line. The fact of the fault tolerence in terms of catastrophic destruction due to war is simply a coincidental side effect when you take into account the reasons the ARPA project was using packet switched networks.

      Sorry. Got on my high-horse there. I just can't stand when people say that ARPAnet was designed in a distributed manner to survive a nuclear war (and even though no one's said it yet - well, this is Slashdot, so some future comments are predictable). Not true. It was the basis of Paul Baran's conceptual model of a packet switching distributed network.

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    24. Re:Not-so Secret Service by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      You know what, you're right - I think the NIPRNET changed (relatively) recently. (Where by "relatively" I mean like five to ten years ago.) At one point I'm fairly sure it was completely separate from the Internet but I think at some point they changed it to run over the Internet.

      I know the SIPRNET is completely separate. The SIPRNET terminals where I work are in a giant safe that I don't have access to...

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    25. Re:Not-so Secret Service by Entouchable · · Score: 1

      lol rocket surgery. +3: Funny plz.

    26. Re:Not-so Secret Service by richarst1414 · · Score: 1

      Whatever have you seen alias...they have all that kewl stuff.....

    27. Re:Not-so Secret Service by XMyth · · Score: 1

      According to the hacker, MITM attacks work against SSL (who knew!) anyways (search his mailing list postings...posted above somewhere) .....heh.

    28. Re:Not-so Secret Service by l2718 · · Score: 1

      It's actually worse than that: the agent had secret data on his T-Mobile PDA while investigating a T-Mobile break-in. That's plain silly.

  14. Wanting to know by psychoandy · · Score: 1

    That notification must be made in "the most expedient time possible and without unreasonable delay," but may be postponed if a law enforcement agency determines that the disclosure would compromise an investigation.
    If I was a T-mobile customer I don't know if I would be upset or not. On one hand, I understand they wanted to catch the guy. OTOH, if my account was compromised I would want to know.

    1. Re:Wanting to know by yasth · · Score: 1

      Yeah March until October 27th seems a bit long to me. (And at the time of the breach I was a Tmo subscriber).

      I mean I wasn't a sidekick user, and didn't say or send anything all that important over the wap or sms, but still. Oh well doesn't look like they had the CC database compromised, though the identity theft situation is chilling.

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    2. Re:Wanting to know by 451 · · Score: 1

      I am a T-mobile cust. and I hope to hear if there are more than one of me out there.

      I work for fraud at a bank, so I get to see some of the "handywork" that can be done with just a couple of numbers (SSN and b-date). Every application that is "fishy" is picked out, and the true owners are called to verify. Here's to hoping for a call soon (or maybe not...)

  15. The News by DrugCheese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I bet the American public will be more flabergasted over the fact that he has pictures of Demi Moore and Paris Hilton that haven't been released then the fact he was spying on the Secret Service.

    Some days I'm proud to be american, but then the drugs wear off.

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    1. Re:The News by artoo · · Score: 1

      Probably. But you never know...it could be pictures of the Secret Service with Demi Moore and Paris Hilton. We'll just have to wait till they're posted to the net to see.

    2. Re:The News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Some days I'm proud to be american, but then the drugs wear off.

      OK, everybody, let's see some biiig smiles! Just relax and let the hooks do their work.

    3. Re:The News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not proud?

      Then get the hell out you self denigrading koolaid drinker!
      Canukastan is waiting for you...

  16. Secret Service?! by Raven42rac · · Score: 1

    Why are secret service members sending out e-mail from unsecured wireless access points?

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    1. Re:Secret Service?! by Raven42rac · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Bah, I misread.

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    2. Re:Secret Service?! by Raven42rac · · Score: 1

      ROFL. That's actually funny. One of the handful of time I have literally laughed out loud at internet jokes.

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    3. Re:Secret Service?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to the nazi mod who modded it overrated.

      Some people should get back to getting more obese instead of moderating here.

  17. Re:Paris Pictures by jokell82 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can somebody please post the Paris Hilton photos?

    Where is the -1 Disgusting mod when you need it?

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  18. Not Fair by mfh · · Score: 1

    Not to wear a tinfoil hat, but I think it's fair to assume that if a blackhat managed to compromise a whole system, he may have also managed to find a patsy for the whole thing. I'm not seeing the word "confessed" anywhere in that article, so perhaps they got the wrong guy? Only a proper trial will tell if he is actually the right guy or not. Geez you'd think the guy never heard of Tor or privoxy before...

    If *you* are going to read the Secret Service's email, wouldn't you do it better than this?

    Seems like they have the wrong guy to me. /Tinfoil Hat

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    1. Re:Not Fair by Dorothy+86 · · Score: 1
      I don't know how much a "proper trial" will help in showing whether or not he's "the right guy." Trials here in the good ole US of A seem to pick the wrong guy quite often. On the other hand, a trial may help spark more evidence exhaunerating the wrong guy and finding/convicting the right guy.

      (note to spelling nazis: I realize I probably butchered that word that starts with "ex".)

    2. Re:Not Fair by Carbonite · · Score: 1

      Trials here in the good ole US of A seem to pick the wrong guy quite often.

      Any evidence or sources to back that statement up or did you pretty much pull that from your rear?

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    3. Re:Not Fair by Flaming+Foobar · · Score: 1
      Any evidence or sources to back that statement up or did you pretty much pull that from your rear?

      IANTOP, but it's a pretty well established fact that juries convict innocent people all the time. DNA testing is helping a little nowadays, though. There is some good information here, here and here.

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    4. Re:Not Fair by Carbonite · · Score: 1

      I'm not disputing that innocent people are convicted. I just don't think it it happens "quite often".

      Your first link points to a study of 360 people who were wrongly convicted. This study goes all the way back to 1896. This study may not be exhaustive, but it certainly doesn't appear too many people are wrongly convicted when compared with the huge number of trials every year. Also, with the improvement in DNA testing it's becoming even more unlikely that an innocent person will be found guilty.

      I just think that if someone is going to claim (as the grandparent poster did) that a country's court system convicts innocent people "quite often", they should provide a bit of evidence to back it up.

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    5. Re:Not Fair by Dorothy+86 · · Score: 1

      In hind sight, that statement was a little bit of exaggeration. The point was only supposed to be that it shouldn't be totally ruled out that a person is guilty based on the trial. Me paenatet.

  19. Secret Service Mail Encryption by dnno · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just because he is reading Secret Service mail doesn't mean it is important. For all we know the mail could read like this: On todays lunch menu we are not going to be having the chicken fajita due to a lack of chicken, we will be having PB & J's. Surely they have secure transmission lines (& methods of encryption) , so why would they send anything of importance over T-Mobiles network?

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    1. Re:Secret Service Mail Encryption by Maestro4k · · Score: 4, Interesting
      • Just because he is reading Secret Service mail doesn't mean it is important. For all we know the mail could read like this: On todays lunch menu we are not going to be having the chicken fajita due to a lack of chicken, we will be having PB & J's. Surely they have secure transmission lines (& methods of encryption) , so why would they send anything of importance over T-Mobiles network?
      If you'd RTFA, you'd know that many of things he had access to were important, sensitive and, in an ideal world, should have been encrypted. One good question the article didn't ask is why'd the secret service agent send these things unencrypted over a monitorable network? Personally I'd like to know that he had been disciplined for allowing this security breach to occur.
    2. Re:Secret Service Mail Encryption by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      Personally I'd like to know that he had been disciplined for allowing this security breach to occur.

      Guess you've never worked for government, eh? Embarrass a government official and they'll do everything in their power to lay the blame for their incompetence on your doorstep.

      Try to remember that the people who work for government aren't James Bond. In fact, most of 'em aren't very bright at all, even the ones who work in intelligence. The agent acted like an incompetent fool because he was an incompetent fool, as are most of his compatriots.

      Max

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    3. Re:Secret Service Mail Encryption by Maestro4k · · Score: 1
      • Guess you've never worked for government, eh? Embarrass a government official and they'll do everything in their power to lay the blame for their incompetence on your doorstep.
      Unfortunately I know this all too well, but it's still something that should be addressed when documents of such importance are allowed to leak. It sounds like this was pretty high level stuff, not just embarassing stuff. From the article: "He'd obtained a log of an IRC chat session in which a hacker named "Myth" copy-and-pasted excerpts of an internal Secret Service memorandum report, and a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty from the Russian Federation. Both documents are described in the Secret Service affidavit as "highly sensitive information pertaining to ongoing USSS criminal cases.""
      • Try to remember that the people who work for government aren't James Bond. In fact, most of 'em aren't very bright at all, even the ones who work in intelligence. The agent acted like an incompetent fool because he was an incompetent fool, as are most of his compatriots.
      Precisely, which is why I'd like to know he'd been disciplined for screwing up so badly. If he's not he'll just go do it again. If he is he very well may learn his lesson and keep secret stuff encrypted on monitorable networks. I didn't say I wanted him fired, just disciplined, otherwise he's not going to learn anything.
    4. Re:Secret Service Mail Encryption by FrankWhite_KingOfNJ · · Score: 1

      I work for small government contractor and had a "Secret" security clearance for a while. That's below "Top Secret", and above "Classified." When in the secured environment, we could not bring in or leave with any media that wasn't pre appoved or secure in some way. Emails were sent through a secure network and a ?NOC? in Langley,VA (not really sure what it is, but that's what we were told), and would be monitored. Maybe that was just FUD, but it was definitely true that if we sent and email with even "Classified" info in it, it was a felony offense.

  20. But how could he NOT get caught? by HawkinsD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    FA says that he was offering ssn, dob, passwords, etc. for sale.

    So... let's say that I want to patronize his obviously grossly illegal service. How do you consummate a transaction like this? Cash in a Fedex envelope? Sent to whom? A P.O. box?

    Who performs first? Are there criminal escrow services?

    And how stupid do you have to be to take out an ad online, in a known criminal hangout, announcing your secret power, and providing contact info?

    Is there something I'm missing here?

    No, really.

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    Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by mere idiocy.
    1. Re:But how could he NOT get caught? by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
      And how stupid do you have to be to take out an ad online, in a known criminal hangout, announcing your secret power, and providing contact info?

      Well, it might have been stupid on his part, but he was smarter than the SS agent that used a public mobile network to transmit files.

    2. Re:But how could he NOT get caught? by Quixote · · Score: 1

      E-Gold, maybe? I'm sure there are others offering "untraceable" cash transfers. Probably cash in an envelope works too.

    3. Re:But how could he NOT get caught? by CdBee · · Score: 1

      are there any escrow services that aren't criminal?

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    4. Re:But how could he NOT get caught? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Is there something I'm missing here?

      Intelligence [his].

    5. Re:But how could he NOT get caught? by alib001 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      eBay!

    6. Re:But how could he NOT get caught? by nicklott · · Score: 1
      and how many non-stupid people out there still have this access?

      After all, they only caught him after he tried to sell the stuff, not through any security monitoring.

      The smart money would have been on selling the demi moore etc pics; what secret service agent is going to investigate where some paparazzi pics came from?

    7. Re:But how could he NOT get caught? by PacoTaco · · Score: 1
      So... let's say that I want to patronize his obviously grossly illegal service. How do you consummate a transaction like this? Cash in a Fedex envelope? Sent to whom? A P.O. box?

      Some people launder money through online poker games. Invite your buyer to a game and have them "lose" some money to you. Internet gambling companies are usually based in offshore banking havens, making it difficult for the authorities to scrutinize your transaction. (I'd never do this myself, of course.)

    8. Re:But how could he NOT get caught? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      does the phone company really need my ssn?

    9. Re:But how could he NOT get caught? by 787style · · Score: 1

      Some people launder money through online poker games. Invite your buyer to a game and have them "lose" some money to you. Internet gambling companies are usually based in offshore banking havens, making it difficult for the authorities to scrutinize your transaction. (I'd never do this myself, of course.)

      Except that doesn't really work that well. You get charged a rake in every single pot, and anyone can sit down at the table with you and win the pot from you. Kinda suck to have all those chips on the table and someone beat your hand. What are you going to say, "No, no those aren't out there for you? We're laundering money here, so beat it."

      However, it is possible to transfer funds within the poker software from one player to another.

      But in reality you could just bypass the whole poker room for the transaction and use http://www.neteller.com/. That's how you would likely get money into the site in the first place, and they do player to player transfer.

      When you transfer funds between players in a poker room, most major sites flag your accounts to notice when you are playing at a table together to watch for collusion. And, yes, the major sites really DO watch for collusion.

  21. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Insightful

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  22. My question is by rmoonsong · · Score: 1

    How could he access the pictures taken by users? Those are only stored on the device itself not t-mobiles servers. Unless they were sent to another device but this goes on all the time and I doubt t-mobile would waste storage space keeping every picture sent on their servers. Of course I am at work and behind firewall so I could not RTFA. maybe it went more into detail on this

    1. Re:My question is by narf · · Score: 1

      The pictures were from Sidekick devices that T-Mobile sells. Most data stored on the Sidekick is also stored on T-Mobile's servers, and is accessible through the T-Mobile website. This is sold as a security-blanket feature: if you lose your Sidekick, you can get a new sim and your new device will redownload all your information from T-Mobile.

      The article did talk about how he had access to website usernames/passwords of T-Mobile users, and that was how the pictures were obtained.

    2. Re:My question is by n1ywb · · Score: 1

      Actually the pictures you take are ONLY stored on T-Mobile's servers (well technically Danger Inc.'s servers). The version you see on your phone is a low res (not that the pics aren't low res anyway) preview.

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  23. Are budget cuts that severe? by motherjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why on earth is the Secret Service of the United States using T-Mobile as an ISP/Email provider?

    What's next? The FBI, CIA, etc is compromised while using hotmail, Yahoo, or Google mail?

    Are Gov IT cutbacks so severe they have to turn to places like this to send messages?

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    "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy - Benjamin Franklin"
    1. Re:Are budget cuts that severe? by joshmccormack · · Score: 1

      ...one of the crime-facilitating online marketplaces being monitored by the Secret Service as part of Operation Firewall.

      They were monitoring sites that did illegal business and found out about this.

    2. Re:Are budget cuts that severe? by Quixote · · Score: 1
      Argh! RTFA.

      The agent was also an adopter of mobile technology, and he did a lot of work through his T-Mobile Sidekick

      The agent mentioned here, Cavicchia, was an "early adopter".

      With all the money that USSS has, I'd hope they'd develop some custom encryption solutions for their Sidekicks and Blackberries, if they indeed find them useful.

    3. Re:Are budget cuts that severe? by Justin205 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you think they'd at least bother encypting it with something like GPG... This just seems overly sloppy.

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      "Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you."
    4. Re:Are budget cuts that severe? by JJahn · · Score: 1
      Surprisingly perhaps, the US government doesn't have a nationwide (if you can call T-Mobile nationwide) wireless network available. If they did, I'm sure they wouldn't use T-Mobile to send messages. I'm also pretty sure that they encrypt anything sensitive. These are just your standard bureaucratic e-mails going back and forth.

      Do you really think the US Government should build up a cellular-like network for its own use? Now, I wouldn't mind if they would put up some towers in the middle of nowhere so my reception was a bit better :-)

    5. Re:Are budget cuts that severe? by motherjoe · · Score: 1

      "On July 28th the informant gave his handlers proof that their own sensitive documents were circulating in the underground marketplace they'd been striving to destroy. He'd obtained a log of an IRC chat session in which a hacker named "Myth" copy-and-pasted excerpts of an internal Secret Service memorandum report, and a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty from the Russian Federation. Both documents are described in the Secret Service affidavit as "highly sensitive information pertaining to ongoing USSS criminal cases." At the agency's urging, the informant made contact with Myth, and learned that the documents represented just a few droplets in a full-blown Secret Service data spill. The hacker knew about Secret Service subpoenas relating to government computer crime investigations, and even knew the agency was monitoring his own Microsoft ICQ chat account. " This wasn't just a few, "Hey Bill how ya doing, are you free for lunch!" messages...

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    6. Re:Are budget cuts that severe? by motherjoe · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Forgive the formatting... :) Hit submit before changing to plain text! Doh!

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    7. Re:Are budget cuts that severe? by ostiguy · · Score: 1

      I don't believe Sidekicks have anything - aren't they just dump pop3/imap devices?

      Blackberries encrypt the data on the device, send it to the cellular network, to blackberry and back, IIRC (I believe blackberry acts as the routing between the different networks hostings its devices - i.e, nextel vs tmobile, etc)

      ostiguy

    8. Re:Are budget cuts that severe? by Antonymous+Flower · · Score: 1

      We know where the employees park because every location is labelled. It is no problem to find employee vehicles. If the Government were to build their own network for all communications (Internet 1969?) we would know where the Government communicated. When the employees park with visitors it will be more difficult to discover employee vehicles. When the Government communicates among the public(Internet 1995+?) it will be more difficult to pinpoint government communications. Please replace every instance of 'government' with 'terrorists' in your next reading of this comment.

    9. Re:Are budget cuts that severe? by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 1

      Blackberries encrypt the data on the device, send it to the cellular network, to blackberry and back, IIRC (I believe blackberry acts as the routing between the different networks hostings its devices - i.e, nextel vs tmobile, etc)

      But as we saw in this article the blackberry can be logged at the server as well. So if the hacker is at the server the blackberry wouldn't have helped either.

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    10. Re:Are budget cuts that severe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From memory, the NSA were developing encryption for US Govt Blackberries. Not sure if the project is finished. Apparently there are a lot of high level idiots who think they are secure.

    11. Re:Are budget cuts that severe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what kind of ads a Secret Service agent gets on gmail :)

    12. Re:Are budget cuts that severe? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Not everyone involved in Government has access to primo government mail servers/networks.

      During my time as a tech support agent for a regional dial-up ISP, I recieved calls from the Dept of Energy, Defense, and a Russian official having trouble sending a Word documant over email, Hotmail email as it turned out.

    13. Re:Are budget cuts that severe? by leighklotz · · Score: 1

      ostiguy wrote:
      I don't believe Sidekicks have anything - aren't they just dump pop3/imap devices?

      No, they're J2ME (almost) compliant devices with additional Java libraries.

      The built-in applications use a data sync that communicates with the back end over an encrypted channel using blowfish.

      If you write your own apps you have to handle the encryption yourself, as the ssh client does.

      Of course, if you buy applications from T-Mobile you don't know for sure what's in them; you just have to trust them.

    14. Re:Are budget cuts that severe? by ostiguy · · Score: 1

      Donno where I was that week on slashdot, but that article just confuses me.

      It really doesn't explain where the pin to pin messages were captured. In the messages they show, they show all names next to email addresses - on a blackberry, on a received PIN'd message, if I do a "show address", it replaces the user name with their pin - it does not show their email address. Basically, I am curious as to whether the data from PINs was achieved via the mobile data network provider. The article seems highly accurate re: blackberry's email capability, but leaves questions on pin to pin. I know admins can remotely wipe clean devices with recent blackberry server software, but I donno if they can do a remote backup of a device, included all PIN message content (I tend to doubt it as some blackberries now have 32MB of data storage)

      ostiguy

  24. It just occured to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a known fact that whenever "penetrate" is in a sentence it results in immediate sexual enuendo. But when "hacker" is also involved it just smashes that theory all together.

    Power to the nerds!

  25. microsoft icq by djb6 · · Score: 0
    Did anyone else notice them refering to microsoft icq?
    At the agency's urging, the informant made contact with Myth, and learned that the documents represented just a few droplets in a full-blown Secret Service data spill. The hacker knew about Secret Service subpoenas relating to government computer crime investigations, and even knew the agency was monitoring his own Microsoft ICQ chat account.
  26. Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by aluminumcube · · Score: 1, Funny

    Ohh, well... that makes it terribly important then!

  27. How very nice of T-Mobile to not let us know by gorbachev · · Score: 1

    I'm a T-Mobile customer (not for long, after this).

    I already sent them a nastygram over this. What kind of irresponsible piece of s*** company not let their customers know all their information is in the hands of a hacker???

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    In Soviet Russia, I ruled you
    1. Re:How very nice of T-Mobile to not let us know by 451 · · Score: 1

      So you are going to stop using every piece of tech in your life?

      I am a customer too, and I did have the "to heck with T-Mobile" thought when I first saw this. The reality is, there are more and more of these people out there, and I would be suprised if T-mobile is the only company you deal with in your personal life that has been cracked and hacked.

      The best we can hope for at this point is a big old "Sorry, the feds made us keep quiet". Although I am a little troubled that this hit so close to home, I'm glad they held out and nailed a ring of these guys. I just hope they don't let them off with slaps and fines.

    2. Re:How very nice of T-Mobile to not let us know by Rylfaeth · · Score: 1

      I'm a Sidekick user and it's simply way too useful of a device (and too entrenched in my life at this point) to drop T-Mobile as a provider (which btw has been a far better service provider for me than Sprint ever was) due to a single case of some guy trying to sell information. In this day and age, stuff gets cracked, it sucks but it happens and the best you can do is hope you don't personally have to deal with the repercussions of identity theft in your lifetime.
      -Rylfaeth

    3. Re:How very nice of T-Mobile to not let us know by Coldglow · · Score: 1

      My question to T-Moblie is: Have new security measures been put in place to keep my personal information secure? Can you guarantee me that my personal information is secure now? If not now, when will my personal information be secure?

    4. Re:How very nice of T-Mobile to not let us know by jridley · · Score: 1

      Umm, how about a company that was under orders by a law enforcement agency, and thus legally bound to NOT disclose that information?

    5. Re:How very nice of T-Mobile to not let us know by gorbachev · · Score: 1

      The perp was arrested in October, about three months ago. Plenty of time to send some information about the breach.

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    6. Re:How very nice of T-Mobile to not let us know by 451 · · Score: 1

      I disagree - if they (The Feds) were involved with other cases, which were exposed by this guy, they may have been waiting until they could shore up their defenses before allowing this to hit the news.
      Once it's out there in the mainstream media, the world knows, and once the world knows, any international crime cases involved with the leaked information would have to be solid as a rock.

      From the Article http://www.securityfocus.com/news/10271
      "He'd obtained a log of an IRC chat session in which a hacker named "Myth" copy-and-pasted excerpts of an internal Secret Service memorandum report, and a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty from the Russian Federation. Both documents are described in the Secret Service affidavit as "highly sensitive information pertaining to ongoing USSS criminal cases.""

      Looking at this from the perspective of someone who was working inside the USSS cases, can you imagine what they had to contend with? There is more here than just some kid cracking a system for a few SSN's and cute pictures.

  28. Funniest quote by davetrainer · · Score: 3, Funny
    "He basically just said there was flaw in the way the cell phone servers were set up," says William Genovese, a 27-year-old hacker facing unrelated charges for allegedly selling a copy of Microsoft's leaked source code for $20.00."

    I hope it came with an 18-dollar bill.

  29. Picture messages, by ambrosen · · Score: 2, Informative

    are uploaded to a phone company server and a link is sent to the recipient's phone, which then downloads the picture. So the content is by default stored on the company's server.

  30. Re:Hmm... by phats+garage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What, you're somehow expecting corporations and governments to be non-evil?

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  32. You Mean by cheezemonkhai · · Score: 1

    He Actually made it to and then through customer services!?!

    Thats amazing :)

    1. Re:You Mean by Jakhel · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not, t-mobile's customer service is actually quite good. In fact, I would go so far as to say it's better than any other customer service I've dealt with. Quick story:

      While in college, one month I used all of my whenever minutes (something like 600 or so) and ended up going over a good 100 minutes. Extra minutes were roughly $.40 PER minute. 100*.40 = $40. That may not seem like much, but on top of the already $45 /month I was paying for service, and me being a broke college student, that was more than I could afford.

      At the time, I had not known that I was so far over my minute usage. When I checked my balance over the phone via their automated account info system I was shocked and immediately spoke to one of the customer service/billing reps about it. The told me where I screwed up (yes it was MY fault) but said since I'd been with them for a year or 2, they would pay the extra costs for me AND added on 50 "loyalty minutes" per month to make sure that I didnt' go over again.

      Now what other company will pay a bill for you, AND give you extra minutes/services for FREE? That experience was enough to keep me with Tmobile for a loooong time (i'm still with them).

    2. Re:You Mean by jack_csk · · Score: 1

      Perhaps that's a bit OT...
      Talking about customer service, I wonder what opinion anyone of you have with Verizon Wireless?
      For some reason, a few months ago, I was using a lot of cellphone minutes for that month. I knew I was going to go over the cellphone minutes ahead of time (before I actually go over the minutes), and I talked to the Verizon Wireless store manager in a store nearby my home. She said she would do nothing to help me. When I recited cases of my friends that Alltel raised their monthly minute plan temporary for the month; T-mobile gave out 100 minutes for free, the VZW store manager told me that they are for profit, and they don't care it.

      Any of the VZW employee listen: Due to your company's extremely poor customer service, I am going to switch my cellphone carrier after the annual contract expire. Because if you don't care your customers, somebody will!

  33. T&A by RLiegh · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    1. Re:T&A by H3lldr0p · · Score: 1

      Neither of which she has in any amount great enough to cause a stir.

  34. from his resume: by circletimessquare · · Score: 0

    Email: ethics@netzero.net

    ethics?

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    1. Re:from his resume: by donnyspi · · Score: 1
      Email: ethics@netzero.net

      netzero?

  35. His resume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In his resume, one of the applications he boasts knowledge of is ... Notepad! In addition, he wants a job in IT security and manages to mention nmap way after MS Office and Photoshop in apps he knows how to use.

    All in all, a strange and somewhat irrelevant resume for a guy striving to become Network Manager in the IT security field.

    1. Re:His resume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      poser and cracker...

      he will NEVER get a job doing it, companies do not care that you can pull cat-5 cable out of your ass as well as new cisco network gear.

      if you are an asshole (like this one is) you do not get the jobs let alone start off at the top rung? plueese...

      he needsto start at the absolute bottom... Compusa or Best Buy in house IT/computer tech.

      then up to fast food then up from there.

  36. T-Mobile Security by GJSchaller · · Score: 2, Informative

    My guess is that the Secret Service was using Blackberries, which uses encrypted transmissions between the Blackberry server and the device, and even multiple encryptions, if I remember correctly (one for the message, one for the Wireless). I doubt that they were stupid enough to use unencrpyted service, when regular non-Govt. customers can have encryption (We have it here at our job on our BBs). Note that they say "emails" and not "SMS" or "Text Messages."

    1. Re:T-Mobile Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The transmission might be encrypted, but the message on the server itself might not be. And I don't believe that he was just sniffing packets, he was accessing all the users stuff.

    2. Re:T-Mobile Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy Shit man, did you read the fricking article? Maybe doing that before commentating would be useful so you don't say stupid things that have nothing do to with anything.

  37. We know what follows now by Walkiry · · Score: 1, Funny

    Cue in virus spreading under the pretense of Paris' new nude haxx0red pictures in five, four, three, two...

    Most impressive that it took them a year to find him, and unsirprisingly they catched him when he tried to make a mint out of his exploiting. Remember kiddies, bragging is not good for you.

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    1. Re:We know what follows now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whats really strange is that as I was reading this comment, my email beeped...
      Subject: Paris Hilton Nude

      Arrrgggghhhh. They're watching me...

  38. Re:cracker you dumb fuck! by Anita+Coney · · Score: 0

    Yeah, and gay means happy too!

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    If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
  39. Re:cracker you dumb fuck! by 91degrees · · Score: 0

    Nope. It's a hacker. The term has been in common use since 1984. The fact that a load of geeks desperately want to reclaim it doens't mean the usage is wrong.

    I have no idea why any geek would want to reclaim it though. After Jurassic park, any positive connotations are clearly lost.

  40. Michael Powell loves you. by gelfling · · Score: 1

    The chairman of the FCC Michael "I have no idea what the public interest is" Powell is right on the case making sure your privacy is protected.

    Bank on it.

  41. ms icq? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The hacker knew about Secret Service subpoenas relating to government computer crime investigations, and even knew the agency was monitoring his own Microsoft ICQ chat account.

    wow is it me or does MS own more everyday you read /.

  42. Gets ya thinking... by jchawk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You know it seems like the reason this guy got caught was because he was sloppy with his own identity online... If he would have been more careful with the names / icq numbers / people he trusted online, it's very unlikely that he would have gotten caught.

    I think he let his greed / ego get in the way when trying to offload this information that he obtained.

    This really makes you wonder about the guys you never hear about, the ones that don't get caught. :-/

    1. Re:Gets ya thinking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This really makes you wonder about the guys you never hear about, the ones that don't get caught. :-/

      Nope. Move along. No such guys. You're perfectly safe. The government catches all the bad guys. Don't worry about it.

    2. Re:Gets ya thinking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This really makes you wonder about the guys you never hear about, the ones that don't get caught.

      NO, it really doesn't make me wonder. There are basically two types of criminals in the world, those driven by financial gain and those driven by prestige (in one for or the other).

      The ones driven by financial gain are the ones who your don't hear about directly because they could give a fuck less if their name is out there. They hack computer systems, commit online fraud, steal identities, etc for profit and profit only. The smart ones don't get greedy and it becomes a job to them like any other. That is how they make their living and screw if the rest of the world knows what an uber hacker they are.

      The other, like this guy, are driven by prestige. He most likely has a superiority complex and like most nerds, low self-esteem. His need to prove himself is what got him caught. He wanted to be recognized for his great feat or hackerdom and that is why he is not going be put in federal pound me in the ass prison. Most likely under a clause in the patriot act which will define his crimes a threat to national security.

      Anyway, the ones you don't hear about (directly) are businessmen. They could give a fuck less about the secret service or NSA or any other organization unless it was easy to fence the data. Thus most people have no reason to fear them.

    3. Re:Gets ya thinking... by stienman · · Score: 1

      If he would have been more careful with the names / icq numbers / people he trusted online, it's very unlikely that he would have gotten caught.

      I find it unlikely that T-Mobile didn't know who was doing the work in a very short matter of time. It's likely that they knew within a few months and were simply gathering enough information to present a compelling case against him. If they wanted to use the patriot act against him they have to turn it over to the FBI, who also takes a long time.

      I find it disturbing that they are offering him a light sentence though. It's like broadcasting a job ad "Break into a major cell network - get a job with the Gov't!"

      Oh well. So much for "We don't negotiate with <fill in the blank>"

      -Adam

    4. Re:Gets ya thinking... by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Eh, it's really no different from shoplifting in some regards. Most people who get caught shoplifting are not shoplifting for the first time. The first time they were probably very vigilant in their efforts and got past security easily. However, all this success went to their heads and they soon believe security to be a bunch of idiots. They get arrogant, they get caught. We humans are very vain creatures...

  43. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why they were playing this case close to their chest.

  44. Re:Hmm... by Trillan · · Score: 1

    I noticed the Microsoft ICQ point, too. Seems like the reporter made a mistake there. I'm also not sure the term "honeypot" is appropriate.

  45. I smell FUD by shumacher · · Score: 0
    After reading about the E911 documents, and the way the intrusions surrounding them were mischaracterized, I doubt there was any Secret Service connection. At best, he intercepted a Secret Service employee text message:
    PLS GO 2 MCD 4 DINNR L8 AGAN
  46. standards board by shameus_burp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even though I am not a T-Mobile subcriber, it's distrubing to me that my personal information is protected by the whim of a corporation and not by any standards. I think everyone is in agreement that corporations are driven by cost of security and not the security of it's subscribers. The government should fine T-Mobile for inadequet IT security and a security standards board should be created to set baseline security measures for corporations and other institutions. I'm not sure such a committee exists but it's clear to me that there are no defined rules to protect information. We have rules from the FDA in regards to food, rules to handle securities etc. Why not rules and laws to protect customer and employee information?

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    1. Re:standards board by nberardi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree that T-Mobile should be fined for the lack of security and anybody that has a T-Mobile should be able to drop the account with out the early fees. But setting up another level of bueracracy to do something is never the answer, and the data was probably protected by some kind of standards. But as we have seen in the last week even an Open Standard such as Linux has holes in it. I don't know what T-Mobile uses, but this problem was due to a whole in security not a lack of security.

      There is always going to be some enterprising person that can get by any measure of security that you put in place, so setting up more buercracy to look at standards just makes it easier, because now the world knows how you store/protect data and thus makes it easier to find exploits.

    2. Re:standards board by gmajor · · Score: 1

      It took many years and many public disasters for public outrage to be sufficient enough to create the FDA. The idea of a privacy czar, while a good one, will probably never happen until enough publicized privacy mistakes happen within a short period of time :-(

    3. Re:standards board by pz · · Score: 1

      Even though I am not a T-Mobile subcriber, it's distrubing to me that my personal information is protected by the whim of a corporation ...

      The issue here is not the whim of said corporation, but the disconnect between the appearance of security provided by their corporate communications (advertising, contract boilerplate, etc.) and the reality of their networks. T-Mobile in the US is so inept that they can't set their network time correctly (in certain parts of the Boston area it reads as GMT -8, in others as GMT -5 as it should be). They have you verify your identity by keying in the last four digits of your social security number over the line. Why should you expect any such corporation to actually protect your personal information?

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    4. Re:standards board by hirebrand · · Score: 1
      my personal information is protected by the whim of a corporation and not by any standards.
      While government standards and regulations is one approach and is used in the European Union, here in America we use tort law to sort out situations like this. (i.e. sue them) Its a more market-based approach than pure regulation, I suppose.
    5. Re:standards board by shameus_burp · · Score: 1

      I agree that publishing security standards gives hackers the entire security infrastructure view. Thus the details of security are kept as secret as possible. My point is that companies are not held to any laws in regards to personal customer information. For example, if my credit record is ruined because of T - Mobile there should be basic laws in place to clearly show that they were negligent in the handling of their IT security. I don't believe such laws exist beyond relevant court decisions.

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    6. Re:standards board by joNDoty · · Score: 1

      Hear, Hear!

      Cell companies are not careful with most of your private information. One very obvious example is when I went to my local Sprint PCS store to ask for a service change. I couldn't believe it, the girl behind the counter actually asked for my cell phone password. I was like, "What, out loud?"

      She says "yeah."

      I hesitated to answer, and then realized she was looking at my password, in plain text on her screen! I had to speak/spell my password out loud to her so that she could visually match it with the onscreen display.

      First off, YES I was naive to assume my password was safe with Sprint. But now I am painfully aware that any old schmuck that works at a Sprint store can type in anyone's Sprint phone number and simply read their password!!!!!! I mean, come ON!!!! Security anyone?!!!

      Don't even get me started on people nearby overhearing this stuff or casually reading numbers and passwords off of their computer screens.

    7. Re:standards board by Zaphod+B · · Score: 1

      Mmmm, yes, because the government specifying security standards is a great idea. I mean, it worked for education, right? No Child Left Behind? Oh, and it worked for the nutritional guidelines which were finally updated after twelve years.

      Give me a break.

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  47. Re:Hmm... by pegr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So the guy hacks in to the network, steals personal information, downloads private pictures, sells all this stuff... and then he's able to get away with just one felony, no jail time, and even a work offer for the Secret Service?

    If you think the Secret Service won't use his skills in exactly the same way he was offering to the public before he got busted, you are mistaken. That is to say (explicitly), the Feds will use this guy to break into private computer networks and steal information of interest to them. They will keep him at arms length in case he gets caught. This is the way law enforcement (unfortunately) works...

  48. Indeed ... by magicianuk · · Score: 1

    ... why in some groups a "hacker" is someone who breaks into computer systems, while in others it's someone who "hacks" code fast and well (but not necessarily pre-plans the code)

    And "cracker" is often used for someone who breaks the copy-protection on software products.

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  49. Anyone know what to do? by ThePolkapunk · · Score: 1

    I am a T-Mobile customer, and frankly I'm a bit worried. I've always been very anal about keeping my SSN etc. secret, and now it could potentially be out there in the open and fair game for anyone to use. I called up T-Mobile, but they denied that their systems had ever been compromised.

    Does anyone know what I can do to find out more information about this? If my personal information has been compromised, I need to go through the whole new SSN rigmorale. I'd really appreciate it if anyone could give me some advice on how to find out for certain if this has happened.

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    1. Re:Anyone know what to do? by Brushfireb · · Score: 1

      You should do what every other american should do regularly: Get A Credit Report at least once a year.

      If everything checks out on the report, no worries -- no one is treading on your credit. If there are some strangeness (like a credit card opened in Brazil), then immediately you can contact the companies to begin the trace process.

    2. Re:Anyone know what to do? by turbotalon · · Score: 1

      If you don't like what a company is doing, cancel your service and tell them why. With number portability these days, there is no reason to stay with a provider you don't like. Thats the beauty of capitalism, we have a choice. Instead of BIG GOVT fining people who do bad (and thus deciding what is right and wrong) the consumer has a CHOICE.

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    3. Re:Anyone know what to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to get a whole new SSN unless you really want to. Wouldn't recommend it unless you are already in a mortgage with your own house.

      But, really, aren't you being just a little paranoid? Just watch your credit report, as the other guy said. They're free. Accept that it's impossible to keep a serial number that someone else assigned to you a secret.

    4. Re:Anyone know what to do? by 0biwan · · Score: 1

      I got news for you, pal. Anyone with $20-$50 can get all the information about you, including SSN, DOB, DL, from one of those background search web sites. Alternatively, more professional services for background checks exist. And a lot of PI's also do background checks. In other words, all the info about you that you are concerned about is already available to anyone for under $100.

    5. Re:Anyone know what to do? by true_majik · · Score: 1
      well let's start off by stating that obtaining a new SSN is not easy to come by from what I understand. it is very tough to do so and even if you do manage to get it done, your old SSN will still be tied to your new SSN. so let's say your old one was 1234 and your new one is 6789, when somebody checks "6789" it will have a note stating your previous SSN was "1234" making the whole thing pointless.

      the best thing you can do, in my opinion, is place a "Security Alert" on your credit report/history/whatever. what this basically does is places a note on your credit report stating that your identity may have been comprimised, advising whoever is looking up your credit history to more thuroughly verify your identity. you can alert one of the three credit bureaus to place this "Security Alert" and that one will alert the other two. you can do this online here, plus you get a very basic rundown of your credit report (free). Note that this "security alert" is good for only 90 days, afterwhich the notice is removed from your credit record.

  50. Well, they used the right word. by CFD339 · · Score: 1

    Penetration definitely occurred. And not just to T-Mobile.

    Pretty much anyone who uses that services got "Penetrated" pretty well -- and if you weren't doing your work over a good vpn with encryption, well, lets just say that it probably hurt.

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  51. Resume sucked. by Horse+Rotorvator+JAD · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Did anyone read the "hackers" resume linked at the SecurityFocus site? It really sucked. What is it with so many people having such shitty resumes? It is no wonder that people cannot get jobs in the IT field with resumes like that.

    1. Re:Resume sucked. by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I've spent a good deal of time on my resume, and I think it is pretty well written. Granted, I'm not all that experienced in the field, but I've had a hard time finding anything at all, let alone a 'fun' job.

      So have I been parading around with my underwear showing, or is my resume pretty decent? :P

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    2. Re:Resume sucked. by JavaLord · · Score: 1

      So have I been parading around with my underwear showing, or is my resume pretty decent? :P

      A few opinions here:

      1. Make your resume available in more than 1 format, PDF is a very nice touch but I hope you have a word and plaintext resume also.

      2. Why all of the different colleges? Did you drop out that many times? I don't know If I'd put all of those down....

      3. Spell out Info Tech as Information Technology. HR people are stupid sometimes.

      4. Under work experence, take out the (part time hours) under System Administrator. You can explain that in the interview if it comes up, but there is no reason to include it in your resume.

      5. Take out the Pizza cook job, and the Movie Theater job, they aren't tech related, and you were working the whole time as a SysAdmin (even if it was part time).

      6. Don't date the software packages you can do Desktop support for, at least not for Microsoft Office. All of that shit is the same, and someone might look at it and say "Well he can't support office version (x) so we won't hire him" when odds are you could support it just fine.

      7. Take linux out of the networking stuff, unless you only want to admin linux boxes. I'm sure if you can set up apache for a linux box you could do it on windows if need be.

      The rest of the stuff looks pretty good. Just remember, it's not lying on your resume if you don't include it (ie the part time job bit, and the pizza flipping) and the goal is to get yourself an interview. You can explain things then if need be.

  52. He did not have access to credit card numbers. by matth · · Score: 1

    Oh well that's a relief... had access to social security numbers, but not credit cards... weeeeeee.. I'm put at ease now...

  53. Re:cracker you dumb fuck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its not:
    (cracker == bad)
    (hacker == good)

    its:
    (hacker == (breached security of some network) || (some bearded open source/linux developer))
    (cracker == (someone who's broken some kind of encryption) || (someone who modifies software to bypass copy protection mechanisms) || (some white guy))

    dumb fuck

  54. Are you new here? by copponex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Situational ethics are pervasive in our society. Steal 100,000,000 through insurance fraud, you get 5 years. Rob 10,000 at a bank, and get 20.

    This is also the same country where we gave a dictator the technology and biological weapons to kill his own people by the tens of thousands, and used that as a reason 15 years later to depose him.

    Get used to it.

    1. Re:Are you new here? by captwheeler · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Calling it " Situational ethics" is a red herring: the situation does matter in ethics. Fraud is less serious then the possibility of violence.

      The problem is the governments willingness to use criminals.

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    2. Re:Are you new here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sigh... More Slashdot lies..
      You are confusing Germany with the U.S. Please go to a library.

      Iran: Germany Supplied Chemical Weapons to Iraq

      By ASSOCIATED PRESS

      TEHRAN, Iran

      Two Iranian war invalids unveiled a plaque outside the German Embassy in Tehran on Friday that accuses Germany of supplying chemical weapons to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq wa r of 1980-88.

      The plaque's erection was clearly in retaliation for the unveiling of a plaque in Berlin last month that marked the assassination of four Iranian Kurdish dissidents in 1992 . The Berlin plaque, erected by the local authority at the site of the former Mykonos restaurant, blamed the then Iranian government for the killings.

      One of the two veterans who unveiled the plaque, Ahmad Paryab, who spoke with plastic pipes running into his nose to assist breathing, called for the prosecution of Germany 's top officials during the Iran-Iraq war.

      "We demand that the then leaders of Germany be tried in an international court for war crimes and that the German government pay compensation to us," Paryab told about 100 people who attended the ceremony. Paryab was wounded by chemical weapons in the war, as were other members of the crowd.

      The metal plaque stands on a four-meter(yard)-high plinth, clad in gray marble, in the sidewalk opposite the embassy's consular entrance on Ferdowsi Street in central Tehra n.

      It bears texts in Farsi and English, but the English is a poor translation of the original. It reads: "Name of the German government for the Iranian nation is the reminder of the great catastrophe of chemical massacre during the Iraqi Baathist regime's imposed war against Iran."

      The Associated Press translated the Farsi inscription as: "The name 'German government' is a reminder to the Iranian nation of the catastrophe of chemical massacres during the war provoked by Iraqi Baathist regime against Iran."

      The Tehran local authorities erected the plaque and a tent next to it, which houses a temporary exhibition of photographs of victims of chemical attacks during the war. The pictures show wounded Iranian children as well as soldiers.

      The head of the Tehran City Council, Mahdi Chamran, said the plaque was put up to "defend the rights of chemical victims."

      "The world has not forgotten the crimes committed by Hitler during World War II. And it should not forget this crime as well," he told reporters.

      During the ceremony, the crowd heard that war veteran Ghodratollah Darabi had died Thursday after a long battle against the effects of chemical attacks.

      While Iranian officials do not say openly that their plaque is in retaliation for the one in Berlin, they condemn the Berlin plaque when they speak of the Tehran memorial.

      Chamran condemned the Berlin memorial, saying Friday: "It was an ugly move."

      The day after the Berlin plaque's unveiling on April 20, the Iranian Foreign Ministry summoned the German ambassador and protested it. The plaque's inscription blames the a ssassination on "those in power in Iran at the time."

      A German court found in 1997 that the Iranian authorities had ordered the killing of the four Iranian Kurds. Iran denied any involvement.

      In Germany on Friday, government officials said the German ambassador to Tehran had sent a letter to the associations of Iranian victims of Iraqi chemical attacks, expressi ng sorrow for their plight but rejecting any German government responsibility.

      German officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the letter notes that a number of German business executives were tried and convicted of illegally supplyi ng equipment to Iraq in the 1980s.

    3. Re:Are you new here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Takes one to know one !

    4. Re:Are you new here? by adam+mcmaster · · Score: 1

      Of course there's also the issue of how the crime is committed. It's hard for someone to get shot during insurance fraud...

  55. And this is why by SlayerofGods · · Score: 1

    You don't give companies, like t-mobile, personal information like your SSN and DoB that have no need to know it.
    I mean they're a freaking phone company, what do they need your SSN for? Make sure you pay your taxes? Run a credit check?

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    1. Re:And this is why by Jakhel · · Score: 1

      They run credit checks. Actually, alot of companies run credit checks on you when you sign up for a 1-2 year contract. Even some gyms do this.

    2. Re:And this is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Run a credit check?

      Yes

    3. Re:And this is why by SlayerofGods · · Score: 1

      Seriously?

      I had no idea they'd become so expensive that they required a credit check just to get one now.

      I personally just have a prepaid phone. Ut cost me like 40$ for the phone and set up and 20 cent a min for what ever I talk (which isn't very much).

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    4. Re:And this is why by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      That would be a "yes" on the "Run a credit check?" question. Mobile phone companies are incredible asinine about that kind of thing.

      Now, the real question is, "What right have they to keep it on file?"

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  56. So when did securityfocus become People magazine? by miu · · Score: 1

    For an article at a technical security forum there seems to be a lot more attention paid to personality, law enforcement and celebrity than the actual issue of security. I gave up on reading bugtraq a few years ago when a series of ego clashes and flame wars drove the message volume up and the s/n ratio down - looks like I haven't missed out on anything if this sort of article passes for news there these days.

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  57. Catch me if you can by Yankel · · Score: 0

    Why do I feel another Leonardo di Caprio / Tom Hanks movie coming on?

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  58. Why by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

    Why isn't the secret service encrypting their email? The technology to do this has been around almost as long as email itself? Don't trust someone elses system to keep your unencrypted information private.

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  60. No wonder this is being kept quiet by IndiJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A few replies to this posting have expressed surprise that SS agents use commercial wireless accounts, but how else could they send information to and from the field wirelessly? A few more have suggested that the compromised SS data may just be intra-agency chit-chat, but a couple things suggest that may not be so.

    First of all, the nature of the documents that were leaked in the IRC chat - one is described as an "internal memo", and the other is probably a treaty with the Russians to share criminal information. No details are given re the content of the memo, but it could have been extremely damaging to a case in progress. And the treaty is probably not sensitive in and of itself, but its presence could tip off Russian computer criminals to watch their backs.

    Now, the guy whose account was raided for this info is a recent celebrity for taking out a previous hacker. It would probably be extremely embarassing to the agency for his goof to be exposed like this.

    And then there's the fact that this MASSIVE series of criminal acts is being written down to just a single felony... and they're giving the guy a job!

    Now I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it seems likely to me that this dude got off (and got a job!) so light not for his m4d-l33t h4x0r skills, but because of the potential embarrasment to the service, and the damage the publicity might do to other cases. It seems the lesson here is that it doesn't matter what crime you commit online, or on what scale, as long as you:

    1. Do not make a spectacle of yourself (ex. by altering google's start page to display your hacker handle, or making a massively infectious trojan/worm/virus).
    2. Embarass or otherwise compromise the investigators.

    The precedent that these two points set is worrying. Crackers are annoying when they deface websites, bring down servers or spread virus-like software - but it's only a few hours annoyance (a week at the most), then the problem passes (for most people). Once crackers get the message that the clowns get stiff fines and the real dangerous people get off light (plus get a lot more out of it if they don't get caught), it would seem to make sense to stop "tagging" or writing viruses and go for the big game. Furthermore, the cops become a very attractive target, which could compromise many more, unrelated cases.

    So the message as I read it is: "Don't be a script kiddie, crack the FBI! If you get away with it you get rich, and if you get caught you get a job."

    Both the Secret Service and T-Mobile should be publicly shamed for the debacle, and the response, if only it wouldn't risk compromising other cases.

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  61. remember when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone remember when slashdot had the story about the kid that sold windows source code for $20.00. This article has a snip about that these guys were friends... There is a thread in the slashdot article where another friend tried to defend why he did this... i wonder if this guy was in this stuff too..

    The hacker's access to the T-Mobile gave him more than just Secret Service documents. A friend of Jacobson's says that prior to his arrest, Jacobson provided him with digital photos that he claimed celebrities had snapped with their cell phone cameras. "He basically just said there was flaw in the way the cell phone servers were set up," says William Genovese, a 27-year-old hacker facing unrelated charges for allegedly selling a copy of Microsoft's leaked source code for $20.00. Genovese provided SecurityFocus with an address on his website featuring what appears to be grainy candid shots of Demi Moore, Ashton Kutcher, Nicole Richie, and Paris Hilton.

  62. uh, blackmail? by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As much as we make fun of the computer knowledge of our governments, they finally seem to be on the right track. You must have some of these guys in your pocket to really have a chance. Can you trust them? Probably not completely... but if they bring you some knowledge, skills, and some of the most damaging players, then it's worth it.

    Um...you do realize they're blackmailing him, right?

    Honestly, I can't decide if being blackmailed is better or worse than him rotting in jail. We don't let people off the hook for robbing convenience stores "for fun" or "for the challenge", unless they're insane enough that they don't understand it's wrong (in which case, they go to a mental institution, not jail) and people intelligent enough to do the hacking are intelligent enough to understand breaking into something that doesn't belong to you is wrong; anything else is just creative ass-covering by hackers and their lawyers.

    In case you hadn't figured it out by now, I'm not a Mitnick fanboy, which I know isn't very popular even today...

    1. Re:uh, blackmail? by swb · · Score: 1

      Um...you do realize they're blackmailing him, right?

      You do realize that blackmail was/is one of the most effective tools available to most intelligence services for turning people, don't you? Usually it's along the lines of "give us X or we tell everyone you're gay/having an affair/a pedophile/etc".

      Makes 'em hard to trust, but I'd imagine that some guy caught in the act and hired by the secret service is kept on a leash so tight the ASPCA has complaints.

    2. Re:uh, blackmail? by the_mad_poster · · Score: 1

      Blah blah blah.

      So, basically, what you're getting at here, is that you're not quite clued in enough to what goes on in these things to realize that the best person to tell you how to fix a system is the guy who methodically broke it?

      "Mitnick fanboy" or not, if you think you can keep tight enough control of the "bad guy" to make them do your bidding, it would be pretty dumb to lock them up in jail and waste a resource just so that somebody else can come along and smack you down again. I'd rather see a cracker with skill sent to fix the problem they exploited than jailed (mind you, I don't think they ought to be paid to do it, of course). You'd have to be a complete idiot to overlook the opportunity to get someone in there who can harden your system because, otherwise, you're just risking leaving yourself open to someone else who might actually be dangerous.

      This crap about making examples of crackers who don't actually steal/break anything is just a bunch of horseshit from lazy adminstrators who didn't do something right in the first place. God forbid the fatass has to set down the bag of cheetohs and the 64 ounce drink and waddle over to the server racks to actually do some goddamn work.

      That's right, the problem isn't that someone exploited an error in YOUR work! The problem is that we don't punish these damn kids enough for taking advantage of your slip ups!

      Whatever. "Victim" society at its finest. It's all one person's fault and only one person ought to take the fall, it's not a more complicated shade of grey.

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    3. Re:uh, blackmail? by Slinky+Puppet · · Score: 1

      Having a lot of the kind of intelligence that is good for hacking doesn't necessarily mean you can understand right from wrong. Lots of 'intelligent' people have difficulty relating to others (and some don't display a great deal of common sense). Also, although I agree with your point, the average robber doesn't really have many skills to offer a government agency in return for less prison time.

    4. Re:uh, blackmail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does a kid throwing a rock in your window knows how to fix it?

      Don't confuse some computer stunt with skills. The kid found out, probably by luck, how to steal pictures from a phone provider. Now I would pay to see this same kid trying to design a camera cell phone, and a secure one at that. See what I mean? The kid would get bored before I finished explaining him the CDMA protocol and he would go play with his game console instead.

    5. Re:uh, blackmail? by the_mad_poster · · Score: 1

      methodically broke it

      If you're going to respond to posts, read them first.

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    6. Re:uh, blackmail? by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      It's amusing how blackmail will land you in jail if you're a prole, but if you work for the government you not only get a free pass, but the practice is accepted.

      Can't say I'm in favor of allowing the government to break the law, even if it's dressed up as a 'deal'.

      Max

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    7. Re:uh, blackmail? by swb · · Score: 1

      It's like so many other things that people in the government (typically the security apparatus) can do that citizens can't.

      The advantage that blackmail has, however, is that with the right leverage, your subject is unlikely to be able to do anything about it.

      Of course the downside is that blackmailers have a high rate of early death.

    8. Re:uh, blackmail? by jotok · · Score: 1

      Um...you do realize they're blackmailing him, right?

      Just out of curiosity, do you make any distinction between typical plea-bargaining that occurs in criminal cases and blackmail?

  63. Re:That's cracker... by Horse+Rotorvator+JAD · · Score: 1

    You posting because you think that the press is misusing the word "hacker" but then you turn around and misuse the word "cracker."

  64. Re:Hmm... by Maestro4k · · Score: 1
    • On the other hand, how can he work as a mole when so much about his identity is already revealed? If the entire world now knows his name, has access to his resume, etc., isn't he at great risk of being identified?
    Not really, this stuff all takes place online in forums and IRC so all he has to do is create new identities and work his back into the scene. If he does get exposed, just lather, rinse, repeat. I'm sure the secret service can make sure he has plenty of different IPs to come from to help him mask his identity and location.
  65. Paris Hilton gets 15 minutes... again...? by hoggoth · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    > Hollywood celebrities.' Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved

    *sigh* aren't they ALWAYS... ?

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  66. Re:Hmm... by Cyn · · Score: 2, Funny

    --> Johanne (urarrested@ARN-34.i_am_from_the_united_states_sec ret_service.gov)
    Hello fellow criminals. Let's do crime.

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  67. Want to learn from him ? by rasz · · Score: 0

    http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=ethics%40ne tzero.net&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wg

    and BAH, a second link is 'Support for "Chainging" modems on a RAS?'
    .. c'mon , chaining modems??
    What purpose other than covering tracks one can
    have to need this stuff ?? This post alone should
    make someone monitoring usenet (FBI? CIA?) alerted
    about this person.

    And this one "HOW can i hack websites which are saved by a password???"
    http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.hackers.gr oups/browse_thread/thread/4d0bba946d4e451a/94d8fef 4caf3c4e1?q=ethics@netzero.net
    same email as the one with the real name :/ what a lame ass. And those Secret service agents were looking on the web, one google thru groups revealed his identity in 0.5 second

  68. How many others? by OECD · · Score: 1

    "Ethics" posted a provocative offer on muzzfuzz.com, one of the crime-facilitating online marketplaces being monitored by the Secret Service as part of Operation Firewall.

    Makes you wonder how many other crackers have gotten access to similar information, but weren't stupid enough to post that fact online, but went to a competitor (or the local Godfather, or the Chinese embassy) instead.

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  69. Re:Hmm... by Xerp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    So let me get this straight:

    1. Hack into a communications company and steal "secret" service documents and social security numbers.
    2. ???
    3. Profit!

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  71. Re:cracker you dumb fuck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uhh like it seems that the SS wouldnt be stupid enuff to comm over unsecure access points, perhaps these r honeypots, designed to catch ppl like this, errr

  72. No recruitment tact by randori82 · · Score: 1

    If the SS has to hire people that hack their email, than they obviously need to improve their recruitment skills. There are plenty of people out there that have these same abilities as well that are "moral" enough to pass a security clearance. Maybe a trip out to some computer science departments across the nation could bring in some new recruits.
    But maybe im taking crazy pills.

    1. Re:No recruitment tact by 451 · · Score: 1

      Your taking crazy pills. But that's another topic altogether...

      For anyone who has ever gone through the process to get hired by our powers-that-be, I think we can all agree it's not as easy as "So, you like it here? Good, your hired, start Monday, cube two down from the right."
      This guy not only gets to skip all the hoopla on getting hired, he spent the better part of a year with the possibility of making money from his crimes. Then our SS men come swooping in from above, nab him, smack him on his wrist, and offer him a job.
      Hmmm... Go through the hiring process with thousands of other people, taking months and months, only to find out there are two positions for four thousand applicants, or ...

  73. Even Hung Out On UnderNet? by oobob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So... let's say that I want to patronize his obviously grossly illegal service. How do you consummate a transaction like this? Cash in a Fedex envelope? Sent to whom? A P.O. box?

    Who performs first? Are there criminal escrow services?


    This page, linked in the posted article, has some explanation about how they traded:

    "The 4,000 Shadowcrew members were participants in an underground economy capable of providing a dizzying array of illicit products and services. The most active commodities were "dumps" of credit card account data, fake physical cards to go with the dumps ($50 blank, $70 embossed, in bulk), and expertly forged identification to help pass the plastic at the local consumer electronics store. Credit reports, hacked online bank accounts, and names, birthdates and social security numbers of potential identity theft targets were also for sale in bulk.

    Each product had its own specialists, and every vendor had to be reviewed by a trusted site member before they were allowed to sell. Disputes were handled judiciously, "rippers" selling bunk products quickly exposed and banned from the site. In one case a vendor who owed another member money was allowed to continue selling only on the condition that his future illicit earnings would be garnished until his debt was repaid..

    Members of the community even traded in tangible items like ATM skimmers, prescription drugs, and cocaine, and services like DDoS for hire and malware customization. One well-reviewed vendor offered a test-taking service that promised to get customers technical certifications within days. He was permitted to vend after earning the reviewer a Microsoft MCP certification under an alias."

    And how stupid do you have to be to take out an ad online, in a known criminal hangout, announcing your secret power, and providing contact info?

    Um, dude, have you ever hung out on undernet? All sorts of shady shit happens there. I've known friends who knew people from online chatrooms who hijacked business conference call lines and made them available to entire chatrooms as a group conference voicechat line. Warring chatrooms would even appear and try to make the line unusable. I thought it was moronic (they even called from their home and work phones for God's sake!), but I think people aren't used to the internet's topology. The lack of a physical police presence makes people pretty confident and reckless - you're not there, so they can't just arrest you on the spot, which eliminates most of the anxiety in any crime (smoke weed in a public park and your house and compare your reactions). Even worse, because of the nature of the internet, the police don't need a physical presence to monitor any of it, so criminals can't just look over and notice that shady van across the street. The lack of these real-world reminders makes for bad heuristic judgments. You'd think hackers would be the first to notice that their lack of fear is due to this sort of fallacy, but from the article, it's clear that some don't.

    Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that it's easy to catch people committing crimes online. It's extremely difficult. GHB kits thrived online, and I'm sure if you still looked you could find products ostensibly marketed for other reasons that are just clandestine GHB kits on google (that's the only example you get, but you'd all be fucking shocked if you knew just how many drugs are sold online with Visa and paypal). If you take only the most obvious precautions, it's many times harder. Something as simple as using a proxy and encryption from a "borrowed" wireless connection can make criminals almost undetectable. Many of us use one of the three reguarly. How hard is it to combine them?

    The police can't monitor everything. Even if they devoted the resources to looking for this sort of thing, how many people know the magic combinations of words and searching techniques that let them

    1. Re:Even Hung Out On UnderNet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anybody have links to any articles detailing the technical aspects of this exploit, links to any sample material recovered, or links to archives of the ShadowCrew material? I'm interested in seeing what the fuss is all about.

    2. Re:Even Hung Out On UnderNet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      have you ever hung out on undernet? All sorts of shady shit happens there.

      All sorts of shady shit happens everywhere. Nice of you to finger undernet though ("with a name like that the whole network must be about illegal stuff!!1one")

    3. Re:Even Hung Out On UnderNet? by oobob · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why yes, that's exactly my reasoning. Such a sagacious insight from such a clever man.

    4. Re:Even Hung Out On UnderNet? by hughk · · Score: 1

      Sure they can take a CC number or a paypal transaction but that is easily tracked and they can be burnt by an LEO making a 'buy' and tracking the payment. A CC or Paypal account has a link to a bank account. That bank account has a well documented beneficial owner.

      --
      See my journal, I write things there
    5. Re:Even Hung Out On UnderNet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OT? IDB?

    6. Re:Even Hung Out On UnderNet? by Suidae · · Score: 1

      There are ways to get domestic bank accounts that are not easily traced back to the owner, but thats more trouble than most hackers want to deal with.

    7. Re:Even Hung Out On UnderNet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I guess you must be thinking of some of the other illicit services mentioned by the GP, but I'm just trying to imagine giving a credit card number to someone who traffics in stolen credit card numbers. Wouldn't that seem like the stupidest thing in the world to do? Why wouldn't your number end up next on the list? And if someone like that wants CC numbers, er, well, it seems he/she already has plenty of them...

      I think I'd prefer the "FedEx envelope full of cash" approach, or (more likely) barter for services / goods delivered to a location.

      Maybe there's "Honor among thieves", but I doubt I'd stake much on it.

    8. Re:Even Hung Out On UnderNet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Something as simple as using a proxy and encryption from a "borrowed" wireless connection can make criminals almost undetectable. Many of us use one of the three reguarly. How hard is it to combine them?

      Maybe you should have posted as AC then, eh?

      I'm terminating your account.

      n00b.

    9. Re:Even Hung Out On UnderNet? by hughk · · Score: 1
      To open onshore bank accounts now in the west, you need a fair amount of documentation (I know this as this is my current project). The worst bit is the govt id, i.e., SSN, drivers license or whatever. Other stuff like utilities bills could be faked as they are less likely to be checked.

      For corps, they need to id the corp and the signatories running the account.

      --
      See my journal, I write things there
  74. Re:Paris Pictures by LighthouseJ · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm still waiting for my "+1: Skank" mod to be approved.

  75. You, sir, are an idiot... by Corpus_Callosum · · Score: 1

    Anyway, the ones you don't hear about (directly) are businessmen. They could give a fuck less about the secret service or NSA or any other organization unless it was easy to fence the data. Thus most people have no reason to fear them.

    You appear to be glamorizing the life of a common thief. I hate to break this to you, but anyone who spends their time hacking computers for money is not only without decency, but also without brains.

    These guys do eventually get caught, or worse, end up slaves to some crime syndicate. These people DO HURT others through identity theft, credit-card fraud, banking fraud and other malicious activities.

    And I dare say, the ones that don't get caught probably don't get caught because of the fierce terrorizing power of the crime-syndicate that they are a part of (e.g. anyone gets close, they are scared away), rather than because of some super-talent. The super-talented guys can make it in the real world.

    --
    The reason that it can be true that 1+1 > 2 is that very peculiar nonzero value of the + operator
    1. Re:You, sir, are an idiot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You appear to be glamorizing the life of a common thief.

      As a common thief I resent that.

      On a realistic note, how am I glamorizing the life of a common thief.

      Most high tech crime is not syndicated as of yet. There are exception of online pump and dump scams as well as selling lists of Zombie PC's to the highest bidder that are brokered though organized crime but the truth of the matter is that there are not rooms full of computer hackers sitting around who are working for crime syndicates.

      orginized computer crime seems to be in the form of covert geverment operations as in North Korea and China.

      Not that these thieves don't later sell the information to them but again, they only sell information that is easy to fence. It is a lot easier to unload credit card information then it is to unload classified documents.

      You sir, are an idiot and I question your basic reading comprehension skills.

      Nowhere above did I glorify the life of a common thief nor did I say that computer crime was victimless. I simply said the people who do it as a job are less likely to get caught then the ones who do it for prestige.

      dumbass

    2. Re:You, sir, are an idiot... by PFactor · · Score: 1


      Nowhere above did I glorify the life of a common thief nor did I say that computer crime was victimless. I simply said the people who do it as a job are less likely to get caught then the ones who do it for prestige.

      dumbass

      At least you signed your post with an appropriate name.
      --
      Don't believe anything I say. I crash test crack pipes for a living.
    3. Re:You, sir, are an idiot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow,

      The big guns are coming out. Any other asinine remarks you feel the need to make?

  76. LINK OFFLINE! by seanvaandering · · Score: 1

    Getting the Not Found Error when I try to hit the link now. Next time try posting the entire resume, some people just don't want their server up in smoke ;)

    1. Re:LINK OFFLINE! by randyflood · · Score: 1

      http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:8QRnbr5YDAMJ: lists.jammed.com/securityjobs/2001/09/att-0059/01- RESUME_OF_NICHOLAS_JACOBSEN.txt+01-RESUME_OF_NICHO LAS_JACOBSEN.txt&hl=en

      Nicholas Jacobsen
      1911 NE Thompson
      Portland, OR
      Massage: (503) 287-4812
      Email: ethics@netzero.net

      Employment
      * Long Term Goal: Network Manager position in the Computer Security Field
      * Immediate Goal: Network Administrator in the IT field.
      * Computer Security Institute's NetSec '01 New Orleans, LA June 2001
      Intern: Technical Services, Computer Setup/Configuration, Attendee Registration, and Customer Service
      * 27th Annual Computer Security Conference Chicago, IL November 2000
      Intern: Technical Services, Attendee Registration, and Customer Service
      * Ethics Design Winston, OR 1997-Present
      Consulting in computer system setup, design, security, and software.
      * Mustard Seed Educational Services Roseburg, OR 1989-1998
      Website design, achievement test scoring, cashiering, curriculum recommendation, computer inventory and sales, program maintenance, exhibit hall setup/tear-down, assisting with publishing 32 page catalog.
      Education
      * Goal: BS in Computer Science via part-time studies and CISSP Certification
      * Professional Education:
      * NetSec '01, Attended:
      * How to Develop a Winning Security Architecture - David Lynas
      * Windows 2000 Security - Joel Scrambray
      * Virus Writers and Legislation - Sarah Gordon
      * Creating a Comprehensive Intrusion Detection System - Charles Hudson, Jr.
      * Phreakers to Frauds: Telecom Crime Investigation and Prevention - Andrea Morin
      * Building Secure Software - Gary McGraw
      * Preparing for ISO 17799 - Tom Peltier
      * Viruses, Hoaxes, Trojans, Worms, Where Will it End? - Bob Cartwright
      * Practical Forensics - Peter Garza
      * Hacking UNIX - Bob Geiger
      * 27th Annual Computer Security Conference, Attended:
      * Intrusion Techniques & Countermeasures - Rik Farrow
      * Implementing a Computer Incident Response Team - Peter Stephenson
      * 10 Other Security Classes
      * Formal Education:
      * Associates of Science Degree, Umpqua Community College, June 2001
      * High School Diploma, Umpqua Community College Adult HS Diploma Program, March 2001
      High school curriculum consisted of college preparation in math, reading, writing, humanities, music, social sciences, science, Hebrew, Latin, Greek, the study of the Great Books, and 2nd year college level computer course work in web page design, data communications, visual basic, C++, and networking. Approximately 50% of high school coursework has been at the College Credit (CC) level.
      Familiarity with...
      * Operating Systems: Windows 3.x, 95, 98, NT, 2000; Novell NOS; Unix variants, OS/2, DOS, VMS OS
      * Languages: Perl, Basic, Visual Basic, C/C++, Java, JavaScript, DHTML, HTML, CGI implementation, ActiveX Implementation
      * Applications: Microsoft Visual Studio, Microsoft Office Suite, Paint Shop Pro, Corel Suite, Maya 2.5, FrontPage, Dreamweaver, Ultraweaver, Homesite, TopStyle, Adobe (various), AutoCAD, AutoDesk Inventor, Filemaker Pro, Borland Programming Suite, Flash, Poser, Internet Space Builder, Retina, Nscan, Nmap, Visual Route, PGP, SATAN, SANTA, SAINT, L0phtcrack, Crack/John the Ripper/Derivatives, Iris, Notepad, Ultra Edit, SoftIce, among others.
      * Techniques: Firewall Configuration, Network/Server Security Analysis, HTTP/FTP/Telnet/IRC Server Configuration, LAN administration, Social Engineering, Intrusion Detection/Analysis, and Cryptography.

      --
      Randy.Flood@RHCE2B.COM
    2. Re:LINK OFFLINE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not offline. You probably forgot to take out the space if you copied and pasted.

      Anyway, full text:

      Nicholas Jacobsen
      1911 NE Thompson
      Portland, OR
      Massage: (503) 287-4812
      Email: ethics@netzero.net

      Employment
      * Long Term Goal: Network Manager position in the Computer Security Field
      * Immediate Goal: Network Administrator in the IT field.
      * Computer Security Institute's NetSec '01 New Orleans, LA June 2001
      Intern: Technical Services, Computer Setup/Configuration, Attendee Registration, and Customer Service
      * 27th Annual Computer Security Conference Chicago, IL November 2000
      Intern: Technical Services, Attendee Registration, and Customer Service
      * Ethics Design Winston, OR 1997-Present
      Consulting in computer system setup, design, security, and software.
      * Mustard Seed Educational Services Roseburg, OR 1989-1998
      Website design, achievement test scoring, cashiering, curriculum recommendation, computer inventory and sales, program maintenance, exhibit hall setup/tear-down, assisting with publishing 32 page catalog.
      Education
      * Goal: BS in Computer Science via part-time studies and CISSP Certification
      * Professional Education:
      * NetSec '01, Attended:
      * How to Develop a Winning Security Architecture - David Lynas
      * Windows 2000 Security - Joel Scrambray
      * Virus Writers and Legislation - Sarah Gordon
      * Creating a Comprehensive Intrusion Detection System - Charles Hudson, Jr.
      * Phreakers to Frauds: Telecom Crime Investigation and Prevention - Andrea Morin
      * Building Secure Software - Gary McGraw
      * Preparing for ISO 17799 - Tom Peltier
      * Viruses, Hoaxes, Trojans, Worms, Where Will it End? - Bob Cartwright
      * Practical Forensics - Peter Garza
      * Hacking UNIX - Bob Geiger
      * 27th Annual Computer Security Conference, Attended:
      * Intrusion Techniques & Countermeasures - Rik Farrow
      * Implementing a Computer Incident Response Team - Peter Stephenson
      * 10 Other Security Classes
      * Formal Education:
      * Associates of Science Degree, Umpqua Community College, June 2001
      * High School Diploma, Umpqua Community College Adult HS Diploma Program, March 2001
      High school curriculum consisted of college preparation in math, reading, writing, humanities, music, social sciences, science, Hebrew, Latin, Greek, the study of the Great Books, and 2nd year college level computer course work in web page design, data communications, visual basic, C++, and networking. Approximately 50% of high school coursework has been at the College Credit (CC) level.
      Familiarity with...
      * Operating Systems: Windows 3.x, 95, 98, NT, 2000; Novell NOS; Unix variants, OS/2, DOS, VMS OS
      * Languages: Perl, Basic, Visual Basic, C/C++, Java, JavaScript, DHTML, HTML, CGI implementation, ActiveX Implementation
      * Applications: Microsoft Visual Studio, Microsoft Office Suite, Paint Shop Pro, Corel Suite, Maya 2.5, FrontPage, Dreamweaver, Ultraweaver, Homesite, TopStyle, Adobe (various), AutoCAD, AutoDesk Inventor, Filemaker Pro, Borland Programming Suite, Flash, Poser, Internet Space Builder, Retina, Nscan, Nmap, Visual Route, PGP, SATAN, SANTA, SAINT, L0phtcrack, Crack/John the Ripper/Derivatives, Iris, Notepad, Ultra Edit, SoftIce, among others.
      * Techniques: Firewall Configuration, Network/Server Security Analysis, HTTP/FTP/Telnet/IRC Server Configuration, LAN administration, Social Engineering, Intrusion Detection/Analysis, and Cryptography.

  77. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not offtopic. It's sad that it's actually true in this case.

  78. Re:Hmm... by dr_dank · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So the guy hacks in to the network, steals personal information, downloads private pictures, sells all this stuff... and then he's able to get away with just one felony, no jail time, and even a work offer for the Secret Service?

    The government does this all the time in organized crime and drug cases. Look at a guy like Sammy "The Bull" Gravano. He killed god knows how many as a member of the Gambino family not to mention a list of other crimes a mile long but was given a slap on the wrist and a new identity for turning states evidence.

    Nothing new here.

    --
    Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
  79. Top Secret! Use T-mobile! by Little+Lithuanian · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or does anyone else think that Secret Service agents should know better than to use their T-mobile accounts to send sensitive documents!!!!

  80. Microsoft ICQ chat account. ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Subject says it all.

  81. Mod Parent Up! by MasterOfMagic · · Score: 1

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, no matter how much it makes me look like a tin-foil paranoid: You have no privacy on the Internet and assuming that you do is foolish. Yes, you can use things like GnuPG to encrypt your email, but just about anyone can grab the ciphertext off of the mail server or while it is in transit. You can use SSL to submit a webform, but someone can get at the encrypted stream sent to the server. Assuming that you have anything worth knowing that is worth more than the cost of a cryptographic attack, there will be some party out there that will spend the resources to recover it. That's just the way it works.

    If you need to communicate something private, the Internet is not the way to do it. Build your own network and use that, and hope that nobody else can get on it. (Operative word there: hope)

  82. Yep, the guy was stupid by Tassach · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the article:
    [He] even knew the agency was monitoring his own Microsoft ICQ chat account
    Come on, how frelling stupid can you be? You've got hard intel that the opposition is on to you and you don't shut down your operation? At the very least you crank up your operational security a notch or ten in that situation.

    The guy crossed the line when he went to sell personal information to identity theives. Looking at famous people's candid photos is pretty harmless (as long as he's not selling them to some tabloid or spreading them around). Reading the SS's email is the ultimate in poetic justice; they should be more aware of just how insecure email is than just about anyone. It's inexcuable for the frelling SS to have been sending sensitive documents around in unencrypted emails.

    In the end, it sounds like the guy got caught because of his own hubris. Which, when you think about it, is typical... criminals get busted not because the cops are spectacuarly competant, but because they run their mouths off.

    --
    Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
    1. Re:Yep, the guy was stupid by Neurotoxic666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's inexcuable for the frelling SS to have been sending sensitive documents around in unencrypted emails.

      The SS? Don't these guys use Enigma? :p

      --
      You are more than the sum of what you consume. Desire is not an occupation.
    2. Re:Yep, the guy was stupid by iamwahoo2 · · Score: 1

      Probably wasn't truly sensitive info. If it was, the SS Agent may be fired.

    3. Re:Yep, the guy was stupid by Tassach · · Score: 1
      The SS? Don't these guys use Enigma? :p
      I know the Secret Service doesn't like to be confused with the Schutzstaffel, even though their initials and their past actions lend some credence to such a comparison.
      --
      Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
    4. Re:Yep, the guy was stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No kidding, man... I mean, if I went around telling everyone about my Nigerian e-mail scam, then I'd so be busted... err...shi*&#CARRIER LOST

  83. hmm? by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

    Why isn't t-mobile being charged for failing to protect the data?

    I think "mr hacker" should be charged for breaking in and getting the data but I equally think the execs at T-Mobile should be responsible for making that information so accessible in the first place.

    Why do people just let big corp USA (tm) walk over them and never fight back? Cell phones are already a "dime you to death" scam. Why put up with even more liabilities [like having your identity stolen].

    Tom

    Oh and fuck humanity!

    --
    Someday, I'll have a real sig.
  84. Doesn't ring right to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Honeypot Proxy
    By August 5th the agents already had a good idea what was going on, when Ethics made a fateful mistake. The hacker asked the Secret Service informant for a proxy server -- a host that would pass through Web connections, making them harder to trace. The informant was happy to oblige. The proxy he provided, of course, was a Secret Service machine specially configured for monitoring, and agents watched as the hacker surfed to "My T-Mobile," and entered a username and password belonging to Peter Cavicchia, a Secret Service cyber crime agent in New York.


    Something doesn't quite ring right about this, apart from the obvious entrapment of the proxy. If his penetration of the T-Mobile system was as comprehensive as suggested, they why would the cracker he access the system via the public "My T-Mobile," ? It simply doesnt make sense unless he's simply picked it up as a lone username/password, and been socially engineered into using it.

    The 'Hacker' also made little attempt or no serious attempt to cover his tracks, his IRC handle can be readly linked to his name, physical & email addresses and CV here, as disclosed by the artical.

    The Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty with the Russian Federation. is apparently publicly available.

    My guess is that Myth is really a handle for Peter Cavicchia, the ShadowCrew is and always has been a secret service entrapment operation for script kiddies and wannabes.

    1. Re:Doesn't ring right to me. by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1
      In your link to ShadowCrew I saw this
      Officials locked out the user accounts and swapped in a new front page featuring a Secret Service banner, an image of a prison cell, and a list of federal charges against some site members.

      Isn't that defamation of character? I mean if the suspects hadn't been subpoenaed can they do that? And what of the Cyber Crime guys? Sounds like they essentially hacked the ShadowCrew site.
      Not that all this matters that much to me, I mean I may know how to make a bomb from household chemicals, but it doesn't mean I make them in the bath tub to set off at 4th of July to impress people.

      I see nothing wrong with people wanting to "know" how to compromise systems, when they cross that line between a quest for knowledge and criminal mischief it's their own damn fault.

      You can find tons of wargames on the web that encourage you to circumvent their securities legally. These are perfectly fine for me, though I find they are wrought with leet skript kiddies and self righteous arrogant asses that have the social skills of a tomato.

      In which case I have found a few people who I engage in wargames with, where we each setup a box exchange IP's and first one to root the others box wins.

      No one's systems are damaged, no DoSsing occurs. Just good old fashioned bragging rights are earned, plus I have learned a ton about insecurities in deploying my system for attack and have gained a wealth of knowledge on how to prevent ( as much as possible ) system compromise.
      --
      I am Bennett Haselton! I am Bennett Haselton!
  85. How else would they spy? by KalvinB · · Score: 1

    Kind of hard to keep a low profile with an @secretservice.gov e-mail account.

    If you want to come off as just another guy on the net then you use common civilian services.

    And it wouldn't surprise me if they use free e-mail accounts either. You can either hide in the shadows by running their own domains and whatnot or they can hide in the crowd and use popular e-mail services.

    "Are Gov IT cutbacks so severe they have to turn to places like this to send messages?"

    Yes because this is obviously the only service they use to send messages /sarcasm

  86. spoke with tmobile by trosenbl · · Score: 1

    well, i just got off of the phone with tmobile. customer care has no idea that this article even exists. in fact, call them up and ask if they know what slashdot is. go ahead, try. it's funny!

    anyways, the only people who might possibly be able to help are customer relations, who don't even have e-mail or a phone number. who would have figured you couldn't call your phone company?

    everyone i spoke to doesn't even want to admit it could have happened. when i mentioned slashdot and security focus, they said that i couldn't believe it just because i heard it online. when i asked them if they saw it on cnn, if they would believe it, everyone said yes. my reply was that i consider slashdot more reputable than cnn.

    anyways, i'm going to be writing these guys a letter. i'm really unhappy. i've been with tmobile for 3 months and the first time i hear about it is from slashdot. not that i'm suprised. just sort of annoyed that it's true.

    1. Re:spoke with tmobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very funny! I just had the same talk too with T-Mobile. The guy took down the website urls and promised to call me back tomorrow with more information.

      I also contact my local Fox news station to see if I could get them run a story on this. I think this is something that needs to hit the main stream news outlets. People need to know that their information could have been stoled. The guy had access to enough personal information to do the standard identity theft trick.

      I already have a free subscription to a credit monitoring service because Wells Fargo had a computer stolen that had personal information for their customers. At least Welss Fargo admitted the problem and offered some protection to their customers. I was a T-Mobile for many years (up until 2 weeks ago)... I had to get away from their poor coverage and VERY POOR customer service. That company is very shady in the way they deal with their customers, so I highly doubt they will ever admit something happened.

    2. Re:spoke with tmobile by anna101 · · Score: 1

      http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=135765&cid =11347687

  87. A little high? by Nikker · · Score: 2, Funny

    "William Genovese...unrelated charges for allegedly selling a copy of Microsoft's leaked source code for $20.00.

    Musta been one hell of a SE to get that much ...

    --
    A loop, by its nature, continues. If that didn't make sense, start reading this sentence again.
  88. Re:Hmm... by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 1

    Also, Irving, California should be the more well-known Irvine, California

    --
    www.timcoleman.com is a total waste of your time. Never go there.
  89. Re:Ever Hung Out On UnderNet? by HawkinsD · · Score: 1

    Thanks! That was very interesting. I've used undernet, but mostly for tech support (usually with pretty good success).

    --
    Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by mere idiocy.
  90. obligatory homer by phyruxus · · Score: 1
    >>Steal 100,000,000 through insurance fraud

    Insurance fraud, eh..?

    --
    "A witty saying proves nothing." ~Voltaire
    "d'Oh!" ~Homer
  91. This is one lucky hacker by Jahz · · Score: 1

    Lets recap:
    This hax0r gains access to a restricted private industry computer system. But instead of just stealing private citizen's info, he steals secret service info. The US Secret Service (USSS) catches him and prosecutes.


    Because of the SS deal, his legal costs are minimal...just sign the paper and plead. He lost his job, but got a better one, which legitamizes his favorite hobby. And finally, he gains national (international?) fame. If and when he leaves the USSS job, he shouldnt have a problem finding Fortune 100 clients for his network security consulting bussiness. And dont forget about the book deals!

    My point is, in the long run this guy came out on top. Sure he's a felon and cant vote, but who really cares. If your gonna hack, hack the cyber crimes unit. This was at least you get a job... those are the guys they are looking to hire anyway.

    --
    There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who do not.
    1. Re:This is one lucky hacker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get your facts straight on disenfranchised voters.

      48 states take away the right when a citizen is in prison, 29 states do so when a person is on parole or probation, and 7 states still deny a felon his ability to vote even after he has completed his sentence.
      There are several high profile court cases to restore the right to vote in those 7 states.

      It's FUD like this that keeps ex-felons from voting, because they don't believe they can and the facts are hidden from them.

  92. Phew by Christopheles · · Score: 1

    Thank god we had all those extra laws to stop the evil cracker. God knows what might have happened otherwise...

  93. Hacker penetrates Demi Moore and Paris Hilton by maharg · · Score: 2, Funny

    .. now *that* would be a story ;o)

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    @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of California.
  94. A very very good story! by erroneus · · Score: 1

    I don't know why I enjoy crime stories so much but they are "fun" somehow. More than that, I enjoy the only-seen-in-movies way that the cops catch the bad guys. That was an awesome story.

    As a T-Mobile customer, I am glad that all of this was actually closed before I became a subscriber... no worries there... I think... I hope...

    But there's one thing I'd like to learn more about: Those celebrity photos!!! Where can I download those? Surely they're on a variety of sites by now right?

  95. Ethics Design by thrill12 · · Score: 1

    Ethics Design ... 1997-Present

    I guess he flunked that one ...

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  96. Resume... by chudgoo · · Score: 1

    Did anyone find it amusing that under his "techniques" section of his resume he had "Social Engineering"?
    Not sure if I'd put that on a resume...
    although to some management types it could interpreted as "Excellent Communication Skills"! hehehe...

    1. Re:Resume... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      "Yes sir, I have a BS in Social Engineering"

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    2. Re:Resume... by poapiasod · · Score: 1

      yeah way to get to the point.

  97. Re:Paris Pictures by jridley · · Score: 1

    No kidding. Why the hell do we need MORE pictures of Paris Hilton? It's not like the world hasn't already seen every square millimeter of her body, and it's not like it's the best thing to look at anyway.

  98. totally unneccessary by SethJohnson · · Score: 1



    There's no need for a govt. wireless network. By the very nature of wireless, such a network wouldn't guarantee any more security than using a private wireless provider. The signals are still travelling through the air.

    The govt. agents who use wireless for sensitive communications have govt.-provided encryption on each end. Private keys. Man-in-the-middle attacks won't work.

    As an example, I was at a conference in DC where Bill Clinton was speaking back in the 1990's. We had Secret Service all over the place. Each guy had a hip-mounted walkie-talkie which connected to an earpiece for audio and had a microphone in the sleeve of their suits. The walkie-talkies were bulky custom-made devices unlike anything I'd ever seen available on the public market. They also had some kind keypad for configuring the thing, I assume. Sure, you might be able to intercept their radio signal at the event, but good luck trying to decrypt their conversations.

    Unfortunately, the SS agent in this case violated secrecy standards by broadcasting secret documents over unsecure com channels and needs to be disciplined.

  99. could have gotten away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if he would have had a laptop a car and a dc > ac converter he could have easily parked the car in the hotels parking lot and never gotten a room. Then he could have drove to a new location logged in again new ip new area no trace. you could go crazy in a college town with all the wifi hotspots.

  100. Boy, this reads like a page out of True Names by museumpeace · · Score: 1

    From the art.:...At the same time, agents received disturbing news from a prized snitch embedded in the identity theft and credit card fraud underground. Unnamed in court documents, the informant was an administrator and moderator on the Shadowcrew site who'd been secretly cooperating with the government since August 2003 in exchange for leniency. By all accounts he was a key government asset in Operation Firewall. ...
    If you can read about it in the news, that may be more compelling if less flowing than reading the book. The full text of Bluejay Books edition including illustrations of this very prescient piece of SF is on line where you will not find any illustrations of Demi Moore or Paris "overexposed" Hilton. Sorry.

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  101. Speaking of T-Mobile security... by PornMaster · · Score: 1

    At the CompUSA in Totowa, NJ, the PC at the customer service desk has some kind of a T-Mobile login and password on a piece of paper taped to the monitor... a foot and a half from the customer's face.

  102. Missing the Point! by NoData · · Score: 1

    I'm far more flabbergasted that people aren't more concerned (especially here on Slashdot) that 13.6 million identities have potential of being compromised! According to the article, he offered SSNs, DOBs, account passwords, etc. for sale to identity theft rings. Surely there a number of T-Mobile customers right here on Slashdot that this makes a little nervous. I'm really surprised the popular press hasn't picked this up yet. Unless the Secret Service can guarantee no identities were sold, I think this is going to blow up big.

  103. Sidekick PR stunt by SethJohnson · · Score: 1



    I fully agree. This is probably another PR stunt cooked up by the Sidekick folks. They were probably the ones who sent out this press release just to promote the fact that their product is used by Demi Moore in addition to Paris Hilton. They also want people's imaginations to run wild with the idea that maybe these two were sending illicit pictures of themselves back and forth. "Buy a Sidekick, maybe our untrustworthy network will accidentally send one of their nude photos to your mailbox!"

    1. Re:Sidekick PR stunt by UziBeatle · · Score: 0



      HAH, Oh me Gawd. Of all the other ideas and 'moral to the story' distillations I've thought of and read to date here on /. this one takes the cake. YOu win the purple ribbon!

      Hell of it is, after pondering it for some minutes you may be right. Damn staight. Makes sense to me. (I am twisted)

      A freaking PR stunt. It probably will work too given the generic level of intellect we humans seem to exude. KUDOS for reminding me of the 'angle'.

      THe guy (at the company in question) who dreampt up this alledged PR Stunt must have taken a page from J.R Warbler character found in H. Ron Hubbards 'Invasion Earth' series.

      Some of us do learn from example.
      HAHA>

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    2. Re:Sidekick PR stunt by XMyth · · Score: 1

      Because all the pop culture kiddies read hacker stories?

  104. from the article... by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

    "...and agents watched as the hacker surfed to "My T-Mobile," and entered a username and password belonging to Peter Cavicchia, a Secret Service cyber crime agent in New York. "

    I'm sorry, but that's just the funniest goddamn thing I've read in a week!

    Privacy and security are two gigantic myths!

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    https://www.accountkiller.com/removal-requested
  105. I wish I had some recourse.. by NoTalentAssClown · · Score: 1

    Exactly one week after I signed up for T-Mobile service my identity was stolen. The person started to change the address on my credit card (the one I used to sign up for the service) and proceeded to order thousands of dollars in "convenience checks". I was notified fairly quickly of the fraud, but it has created an insane nightmare of red tape to jump through to close all the accounts and watch my credit report. There has to be a better way to do this. For now it's back to a passport savings account and money orders. Oh, and of course I will add an extra layer of tinfoil to my hat.

  106. Get More... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1
    "Get More..."

    So he did!

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    Never been known to fail..."
  107. ICQ # [was Re:His Resume...] by Iorek · · Score: 1

    I agree with the comments above: if he knew his ICQ account was being monitored, why wouldn't he lay low, or at least quit expanding his web of trust?

  108. Odd thing by physick · · Score: 1

    After reading this story, I thought I would look at my T-mobile account in the UK. I have never been there before, so I tried www.t-mobile.com and got the US site, then found www.t-mobile.co.uk and it gave an error message when I tried to open the page:

    Oops! There's a problem

    We can't find the file or script you requested. This could be a temporary hitch, or maybe you put in the wrong address. Please check your bookmark links just in case.

    Then a popup appeared asking for my login password??????? This is on my mac.

    Needless to say, I didn't enter it. Anyone else have a UK T-online account and seen the above error?

  109. Nice ironic touch in there... by abb3w · · Score: 1
    The resume lists his email address at his ISP as "ethics@". Hmm....

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  110. T Mobile is one of the largest wi-fi providers by cybrthng · · Score: 1

    And that may be the reason "field" people use t-mobile.

  111. Meet the script kiddie. by twitter · · Score: 2, Informative
    This really makes you wonder about the guys you never hear about, the ones that don't get caught. :-/

    I agree, the most disturbing thing about all of this is the low level of knowledge of the hacker. He was nothing but a script kiddie on his resume and he was caught with obvious mistakes. We can be sure that TMobile and others are still owned by more sophisticated crackers who will not be caught.

    The article links to a 2001 resume which never mentions GNU and only once mentions Unix but lots of Windozed based cracker toys and garbage. His efforts, while many, were too narrowly focused.

    It does not look like he mastered Windoze cracking or much else by the time he was caught three years later. Besides being dumb enough to try to sell information, he accepted a proxy from a stranger. Someone who knew what they were doing would have a botnet proxy they set up themselves that could never be traced through. What else is windoze cracking good for?

    The whole mindset was script kiddie. Own a phone service and collect stuff. What a waste of time.

    He got his resume wish in a perverse way. He wanted a job is computer security. Now he's a felon and gets to spend some quality time as a government slave, snitching on his friends till he's all used up. Or he can go to jail and take the usual felon jobs: dishwasher, garbage man and other highly undesirable manual labor in tiny shops that know they can abuse you. Those jobs will be waiting for him when the government is through with him.

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:Meet the script kiddie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The article links to a 2001 resume which never mentions GNU and only once mentions Unix but lots of Windozed based cracker toys and garbage. His efforts, while many, were too narrowly focused. [...] else is windoze cracking good for?

      Nice offtopic troll. I can't see your point... are you saying this has something to do with Microsoft? What's the point of bringing up "Windoze"? Don't you have anything better to do than post offtopic flamebait?

  112. T-Mobile DNS UDP Port Open by tgraupmann · · Score: 1

    I noticed while at the Starbucks T-Mobile would like to charge either $10/day or $30/month to get Internet access.

    They should have made it free. I might be oblidged to buy bad coffee if it were free.

    Anyway, if you have a wireless laptop, the T-mobile network is autodetected. If you launch Internet Explorer or Firefox, the T-Mobile page comes up where you pay by credit card and log into their network.

    Try an NSLOOKUP for some domain. And it works. The DNS UDP port is open. The only problem is your browser typically likes to run on the TCP port.

    No problem LO!.

    If you install the SQUID proxy server, it will route your browsers HTTP port 80 traffic along that DNS UDP port and you can gain Internet Access for free.
    http://www.squid-cache.org/

    You just need to install another publically available squid server to use as your proxy that will convert DNS UDP back to TCP 80.

    It might be slow as heck, but I'm not paying for Internet Access.

    Now, the main problem with today's story is just the fact some one went into a Starbucks and broadcast a server that looks like the T-mobile page. People mistakenly entered their login info or their credit card.

    If T-Mobile Internet Access was free, no personal information could have been stolen so easily. Although, you still have to worry about packet sniffing.

  113. Has anybody heard from T Mobile? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a T Mobile customer, I read the original article (before reading Slashdot responses) and called T Mobile customer service. The poor woman had no idea about the article or security problem and turned me over to the media relations department answering machine. Did anyone else get a response out of them?

  114. Microsft ICQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...and even knew the agency was monitoring his own Microsoft ICQ chat account. "

    not his microsoft ICQ chat!!!!

  115. Nitpick? by scribblej · · Score: 1

    some super 733t MD67 algorithm
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    MD67 is a Message Digest; it's not used to encrypt anything.

    Oops, you aren't supposed to know about that. Please remain where you are and we'll dispatch some gentlemen from the ministry of truth to your home.

    1. Re:Nitpick? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rofle, MD67 owns me

  116. SSH on T-Mobile - Not Secure by tburt11 · · Score: 1
    I posted a while back, that I suspected that the SSH client that T-Mobile was offering was deceptive.

    It did not appear to me that the handset had the power to encrypt the transmissions, and I assumed at that time that the policy was to communicate via radio, unencrypted, and then encrypt the transmission with SSH where it enters the public Internet.

    I would suspect that anyone who relied on the SSH client for T-Mobile for privacy, may find their information compromised.

    Can anyone confirm or contest this suspicion?

    1. Re:SSH on T-Mobile - Not Secure by Wonko42 · · Score: 2, Informative
      The source code for Danger's SSH client is included in the hiptop SDK. If you suspect it's doing something shady, why not sign up for a developer account at http://developer.danger.com and download the source?

      That said, I've used the SSH client myself and even glanced through the source briefly, and nothing struck me as suspicious. As for the hiptop lacking the power to do the encryption, that's why it takes the client a good thirty seconds or so just to perform the initial handshake.

    2. Re:SSH on T-Mobile - Not Secure by leighklotz · · Score: 1

      Wonko42 wrote:
      The source code for Danger's SSH client is included in the hiptop SDK. If you suspect it's doing something shady, why not sign up for a developer account at http://developer.danger.com...

      Sadly, it appears that the developer program is being "revamped" to the point that you won't be able to compile your own SSH. I presume this was done at the behest of T-Mobile, as the business model calls for selling "applications" (games and ringtones).

      So we're supposed to trust that T-Mobile has vetted all the applications offered for sale, and not be able to distribute any applications written directly for the platform except through T-Mobile's commercial process, and then we find out that their security has been compromised.

      I've been a long-time hiptop user and written my fair share of applications, but with this recent double whammy, I am beginning to think that Danger and T-Mobile need to take steps to recover the promise of abundant, safe, applications for the platform. Their new "walled garden" approach is certainly leading to fewer applications, and now it looks like it's leading to less safe ones -- how could you trust a pre-compiled SSH client on the hiptop knowing what we know now?

    3. Re:SSH on T-Mobile - Not Secure by Wonko42 · · Score: 1
      Very true.

      I used a hiptop for over a year and wanted desperately to write applications for the platform, but I didn't want to write applications that nobody would be able to use and, furthermore, I didn't want to cripple my phone by installing the developer OS, which meant that I wouldn't even be able to use the applications I wrote. After waiting around forever in the hopes that Danger and T-Mobile would finally begin allowing third-party freeware/open source developers to distribute applications, I finally got fed up and bought a Nokia 6600.

      Now I have a phone that actually works like a phone should, I have a GPRS connection that lets me do whatever I want without proxying through Danger's servers, and I can install and run all the third-party applications I desire. The only things I miss from the hiptop are the keyboard and the mail client. I could easily remedy the former by buying a bluetooth keyboard, and I've already remedied the latter by writing my own mail client.

      I'm confused as to why the hiptop is so popular when there are similarly-priced phones with better features and more open development platforms. Is it just better marketing?

    4. Re:SSH on T-Mobile - Not Secure by leighklotz · · Score: 1

      >I'm confused as to why the hiptop is so popular when there are similarly-priced phones with better features and more open development platforms.
      As you said, the keyboard is the killer and the built-in applications are well-designed and easy to use. Plus the unlimited data and unlimited SMS plans make data use a no-brainer. They just need to fix the relationship between third-party application developers and the phone carriers. Unfortunately, they sold consumers on the functionality of the device and they sold the phone carriers (their customers) on the ability to control. Now they're stuck in the middle.

  117. I had access too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See, this is all quite humorous to us all that have worked INSIDE a large company. Tell me what you want I could have gotten it. No questions asked, and I was only working in the desktop support.

  118. A chain is as strong... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Insightful

    as its weakest link.

    (This event could be called "backdoor", couldn't it?)

  119. Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why you go public with exploits for stuff like this doesnt happen. If we keep pissing on the hackers that do the right thing, then this wont stop... it will get worse..

  120. Impressive Resume by smiggly · · Score: 1

    http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/77/216516

    Applications: Microsoft Visual Studio, Microsoft Office Suite, Paint Shop Pro,
    Corel Suite, Maya 2.5, FrontPage, Dreamweaver, Ultraweaver, Homesite, TopStyle,
    Adobe (various), AutoCAD, AutoDesk Inventor, Filemaker Pro, Borland Programming
    Suite, Flash, Poser, Internet Space Builder, Retina, Nscan, Nmap, Visual Route,
    PGP, SATAN, SANTA, SAINT, L0phtcrack, Crack/John the Ripper/Derivatives, Iris, Notepad,
    Ultra Edit, SoftIce, among others.


    I better get working on my notepad skills if I need a job.

  121. Re:Hmm... by zoeblade · · Score: 1

    ...the Feds will use this guy to break into private computer networks and steal information of interest to them. They will keep him at arms length in case he gets caught. This is the way law enforcement (unfortunately) works...

    I remember watching in The Corporation that you could do the same job for a big corporation too. It seems that ethics apparently don't apply to governments or corporations. To be honest, that scares me.

  122. Just like developing film by SunFan · · Score: 1


    People are uncomfortable about taking compromising photographs to a drug store to be developed, why don't they understand it's no different when information is hosted on a company's server?

    This technology is really useful, but it just sets stupid people up to be caught with their pants down (literally or no).

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    -- Microsoft is the most expensive commodity operating system and office suite vendor in the marketplace.
  123. What's missing from this story? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1


    The thing that's missing from this story is any sort of indication that T-Mobile has made even the smallest attempt to fix the vulnerabilities that allowed this guy to access all of T-Mo's customers' account information (mine included).

    T-Mobile has known that they've been compromised for at least SIX MONTHS. My name, Social Secruity number, date of birth are probably all still sitting there OUT IN THE OPEN just waiting for another 21-year-old hacker to come along and ruin my credit rating. Secret Service investigation or no, that's negligent and inexcusable.

  124. T-Mobile Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to comment on the security of T-Mobile applications as ex-employee...

    While in college (1998-2002) I worked for a contracted company of Voicestream Wireless (previous name of USA T-Mobile) where I did tech and customer support. Since we were not voicestream employees we had to access their system remotely.

    They had this done with Terminal Services on a private network and everyone used the same login/pass to gain access to their application server. Once in this server they had a propiertary software system (I think it was called StreamLine) that was used to manage accounts. This system required the use of your own username and password. The funny thing was if you wanted to do something shady you could use the account of a previous employees since they never removed ex-employee accounts.

    By looking at T-Mobiles security practices of 3 years I doubt much has changed. I for one would never buy a phone or service from since I worked on the inside.

  125. Hey SecurityFocus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could that story be any more bland?

    Hire me.

  126. Computer Security at T-Mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to work for T-Mobile. With out going into too much detail, this comes as no surprise to me. This is a collection of smaller companies all of whom hate each other. There is no definitive structure nor are there any true checks and balances to make sure things are being done and done correctly. The phrase "chewing gum and duct tape" is what comes to mind when describing how their network is built. Let's put it this way, rsh and rcp are used extensively to move data around on an open corporate network.

  127. This just goes to show... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When people use cell phones for messaging, pictures, etc. they have not idea where that crap is stored, and who has access! They seem to assume that it's *private*.

  128. Serves T-Mobile right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    T-Mobile provides the worst service among all big mobile carriers in the U.S. Someone should break into them again. Good job!

  129. Crackers don't penetrate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everbody knows that white men are losers who never had sex.

  130. 24 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess the show 24 on Fox is somewhat accurate, seeing as they use T-Mobile telephones for all of their communication. Maybe this guy was just a big fan and wanted to find out Jack Bauer's home address?

  131. Re:Hmm... by deserttrail · · Score: 1

    This is just hearsay (and I didn't RTFA), but I've heard that the "job" you get when you get busted hacking is not something you want.

    Basically, it's equivalent to stamping license plates, but not "technically" in jail. You live under their thumb, and don't get any pay. It's more like severe house arrest where they force you to work than a job.

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  132. Candid = nekkid? by jzarling · · Score: 1

    But then who hasnt seen "candid" pictures Paris Hilton or Demi Moore.

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    It is better to be the hammer than the anvil.
  133. Worst. Resume. Evar by rednip · · Score: 1

    Poorly formated, no logical grouping, lists every software package he has ever touched (I surpised he didn't list Dell, Gateway, etc.), and completely lacks any kind of focus. I don't know how old this is (looks to be from 2001) but folks this should be an example of 'how not to do an entry level resume'. Also just for the record, if you kids do want to get into security, learn Snort.

    Copied below for 'posterity'. Note that he lists "social engineering" as a technique.

    Nicholas Jacobsen
    1911 NE Thompson
    Portland, OR
    Massage: (503) 287-4812
    Email: ethics@netzero.net

    Employment
    * Long Term Goal: Network Manager position in the Computer Security Field
    * Immediate Goal: Network Administrator in the IT field.
    * Computer Security Institute's NetSec '01 New Orleans, LA June 2001
    Intern: Technical Services, Computer Setup/Configuration, Attendee Registration, and Customer Service
    * 27th Annual Computer Security Conference Chicago, IL November 2000
    Intern: Technical Services, Attendee Registration, and Customer Service
    * Ethics Design Winston, OR 1997-Present
    Consulting in computer system setup, design, security, and software.
    * Mustard Seed Educational Services Roseburg, OR 1989-1998
    Website design, achievement test scoring, cashiering, curriculum recommendation, computer inventory and sales, program maintenance, exhibit hall setup/tear-down, assisting with publishing 32 page catalog.
    Education
    * Goal: BS in Computer Science via part-time studies and CISSP Certification
    * Professional Education:
    * NetSec '01, Attended:
    * How to Develop a Winning Security Architecture - David Lynas
    * Windows 2000 Security - Joel Scrambray
    * Virus Writers and Legislation - Sarah Gordon
    * Creating a Comprehensive Intrusion Detection System - Charles Hudson, Jr.
    * Phreakers to Frauds: Telecom Crime Investigation and Prevention - Andrea Morin
    * Building Secure Software - Gary McGraw
    * Preparing for ISO 17799 - Tom Peltier
    * Viruses, Hoaxes, Trojans, Worms, Where Will it End? - Bob Cartwright
    * Practical Forensics - Peter Garza
    * Hacking UNIX - Bob Geiger
    * 27th Annual Computer Security Conference, Attended:
    * Intrusion Techniques & Countermeasures - Rik Farrow
    * Implementing a Computer Incident Response Team - Peter Stephenson
    * 10 Other Security Classes
    * Formal Education:
    * Associates of Science Degree, Umpqua Community College, June 2001
    * High School Diploma, Umpqua Community College Adult HS Diploma Program, March 2001
    High school curriculum consisted of college preparation in math, reading, writing, humanities, music, social sciences, science, Hebrew, Latin, Greek, the study of the Great Books, and 2nd year college level computer course work in web page design, data communications, visual basic, C++, and networking. Approximately 50% of high school coursework has been at the College Credit (CC) level.
    Familiarity with...
    * Operating Systems: Windows 3.x, 95, 98, NT, 2000; Novell NOS; Unix variants, OS/2, DOS, VMS OS
    * Languages: Perl, Basic, Visual Basic, C/C++, Java, JavaScript, DHTML, HTML, CGI implementation, ActiveX Implementation
    * Applications: Microsoft Visual Studio, Microsoft Office Suite, Paint Shop Pro, Corel Suite, Maya 2.5, FrontPage, Dreamweaver, Ultraweaver, Homesite, TopStyle, Adobe (various), AutoCAD, AutoDesk Inventor, Filemaker Pro, Borland Programming Suite, Flash, Poser, Internet Space Builder, Retina, Nscan, Nmap, Visual Route, PGP, SATAN, SANTA, SAINT, L0phtcrack, Crack/John the Ripper/Derivatives, Iris, Notepad, Ultra Edit, SoftIce, among others.
    * Techniques: Firewall Configuration, Network/Server Security Analysis, HTTP/FTP/Telnet/IRC Server Configuration, LAN administration, Social Engineering, Intrusion Detection/Analysis, and Cryptography.

    --
    The force that blew the Big Bang continues to accelerate.
  134. Re:Hmm... by cheshire_cqx · · Score: 1

    I doubt that a domestic agency would go to that kind of risk with an amateur like this guy. More likely they'll make him cooperate with any ongoing investigations as a condition of his plea and testify against any new defendants at trial. The better term is "snitch," or more politely "cooperating witness."

    In fact, if you RTFA you'd find he hasn't even accepted the plea offer yet, but probably will given that he's facing a ton of jail time.

    The same source also offers an explanation for the secrecy surrounding the case: the Secret Service, the source says, has offered to put the hacker to work, pleading him out to a single felony, then enlisting him to catch other computer criminals in the same manner in which he himself was caught. The source says that Jacobsen, facing the prospect of prison time, is favorably considering the offer.

    My guess is that http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_p olicy/2005/01/scotus_speaks_e.html Booker/FanFan will delay any sentencing in this case (and many other federal criminal cases).

  135. "Involved"? by code_monkey_steve · · Score: 1
    Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved.

    With each other?! JPEG! JPEG!

  136. Not just their systems... by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

    Several of my colleagues go to the local T-Mobile offices for lunch about once a week. Great food, apparently, and ridiculously cheap (subsidised staff meals, I assume). OK, so the canteen isn't the server room, but still...

  137. Real Hacker by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

    Ok, his resume doesn't showcase anything special, and most likely he was able to get into T-mobile because they've neglected updating their Cisco firmware for a decade or something dumb like that, but at least he's actually doing something that sounds impressive. Writing a virus that looks for Outlook email lists and clogs a bunch of LAN's while trying to spread doesn't impress anybody, even your dumb anarchist friends. It just pisses people off. Accessing a communications company's servers and stealing SS emails and digging up dirt on celebrities makes a much better story when you and all your pale-skinned, neon-haired friends are sitting around the campfire holding hands and singing "Du Hast Mich."

  138. Please allow me to (not) be the first to say... by tweek · · Score: 1

    WHAT THE FUCK IS THE SECRET SERVICE DOING CONDUCTING BUSINESS OVER T-FUCKING-MOBILE NETWORKS?

    thank you.

    Seriously the dumbass agent who was mentioned in the article should be canned not lauded.

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  139. SS Agent was 'caught' using T-Mobile by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 1

    I highly doubt that the Secret Service authorized one of their agents to use a SideKick for 'sensitive' data. It is most likely his own personal device and the ID10T used it to transfer 'sensitive' information over an unprotected network.

    Also the hacker violated the T-Mobile servers so of course he could access any of their customer data, even the pictures they take with their T-Mobile phones or Sidekicks.

    Other SS agents who were tracking the hacker stumbled across their fellow agents documents being published on IRC, etc.

    So I would not be surprised if this SS agent is 'disciplined' by his superiors for using the SideKick for goverment data transmission.

    Just because a device is convienent and easy to use doesn't mean there is not a good reason to avoid it's usage. BlackBerries are more secure but nothing is perfect. Heck anything public wireless should scare the heck out of most IT managers at the FBI, CIA, NSA, SS, etc.

    I do remember something about Blackberry working with the government on a more secure custom system. The politicians and government officials really want a secure wireless email and SMS platform.

  140. One other thing by JavaLord · · Score: 1

    Another thing I forgot in my previous reply. Change your e-mail address or make it so potential employers can't get to your live journal and or website within a few clicks. Your website mentions politics which could likely turn down some potential employers, and your live journal talks about being depressed within the first 5 entries. Don't give a potential employer that much information about yourself. Even if you have to put a hotmail address on your resume, it's better than them knowing all there is to know about you, any of it can be held against you.

    PS- Good luck with your newborn child. You have a very pretty wife, you are a lucky man. :)

  141. !!!!!! HE DID IT ON PURPOSE !!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to get the media attention. Read this post of his one month prior to his capture: http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/ 2004-September/026644.html

  142. Slashdot scooped by bluesnews.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot, you've been scooped.

    Bluesnews had this hours before you did.

  143. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy tripped accross a username and password on what looks like luck...he'll mainly be provideing info on places he hung out in and names.

  144. new AP article by wildfish · · Score: 1

    here is a link to a new article that provides some more detail on this event. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/aptech_stor y.asp?category=1700&slug=Cellular%20Hacker

  145. Why does t-mobile have ssn to begin with? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pardon my ignorance, but WTF
    does t-mobile have ssn to begin with?

    Its not like they're a bank or something

  146. Looks like the story is written by spooks... by anna101 · · Score: 1

    These kind of stories pop up from time to time and they are all written in the same style.
    its very much propaganda for their projects and scaremongering for the community its directed at.

    the contradictions in it and name and reference platters combined with some know truths are supposed to create the idea that it is all verified.

    Question Authority
    and don't believe the hype by default

  147. Re:So when did securityfocus become People magazin by anna101 · · Score: 1

    have a look at
    http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=135765&cid =11347687

  148. Re:Hmm... by dido · · Score: 1

    So the guy hacks in to the network, steals personal information, downloads private pictures, sells all this stuff... and then he's able to get away with just one felony, no jail time, and even a work offer for the Secret Service?

    Nothing new here. Ever hear of the Nicaraguan drug trafficker Oscar Danilo Blandon Reyes? He was a major operator who had smuggled tons of cocaine into the United States. He was busted in 1992, but instead of receiving a life sentence and a US$ 4 million fine, he was in prison for only 48 months, received no fine, and has been working for the DEA as a confidential informant since 1994. He was described as having "almost unlimited potential to assist the United States." The fact that he was connected to the CIA-sponsored Nicaraguan Contras may have something to do with it...

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    Qu'on me donne six lignes écrites de la main du plus honnête homme, j'y trouverai de quoi le faire pendre.
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