"If you deliver excellent quality you can compete with Nintendo also on Nintendo systems. Classic example is Rayman Raving rabbits, probably the only non Nintendo must have title for the Wii. And just because the game really is designed for the wii (it would not work on other consoles that way, due to the control scheme)"
An even better example appears to be Elebits, which has been getting a lot of buzz from regular players (as opposed to gaming magazines). I haven't played it myself, but the word I've been hearing is that while there are a few graphics glitches, the game is original, clever, and addictively fun, and can't be pulled off on any other system. I'm seriously thinking of getting this before Rayman once I work through my initial Wii launch titles.
Putting aside your entire message sounds like a Sony astroturf plant, I notice you didn't list anything having to do with the most important criteria for a video game system -- fun and games. At least the Wii can genuinely claim to deliver a new and more immersive video-gaming experience; to the layman, the PS3 is just Sony's rebranding of an XBox.
Paying $500-$600 to play the same games you can already get with an XBox 360 or a PS2 doesn't seem smart to me. But then, since you got yours for free, I guess that's moot...
"It seems like there are a few ideas that are common in PC land and improve on the Mac way of doing things, that Apple just doesn't want to impliment purely out of a competitive spirit."
In the case of the zoom/maximize button, I think the correct answer is "Apple doesn't do it Microsoft's way because Microsoft's way is effing retarded."
Eight-player simultaneous play on WiFi and internet? Sixteen all-new tracks? New weapons and tactics? A sequel, sure, but calling it a "port" is selling the game short.
"What about all the Apple laptops you see in movies and TV shows? It's a fine line between paid (or "donated") product placement and pretending not to be an advertisement in my opinion."
It's not Apple's fault if other computer makers have PCs and laptops that look ass-tastic and make set designers retch at the thought of sticking them in their movies and TV shows.
"Sony releases new PlayStation model and people stand in lines for a week or so to buy it and it sells out in 10 minutes" That's not hard if you only have one to sell.
The thing that's really hurting is that, depite all the hype and the astronomical price, it's not substantially different or better than what the XBox 360 is offering. At least the Wii can claim lower price + novel controller; all Sony has is their brand, and the market is showing that there are some $600+ pills it won't swallow.
"It seems a general consensus is that a well-calibrated wiimote is very accurate as far as the hardware goes, but the first wave of games does not use this accuracy. Instead they all go for a kind of mouse gestures without 1:1 mapping off player movements to in-game movements."
After playing tennis, baseball, and bowling on Wii Sports, I can say that this statement is incorrect.
"What went wrong with Sony? Why can't they compete anymore?"
Their ego's gotten the best of them. Like Microsoft five years ago, Sony management really do believe they can release crap and people will buy it, simply on the PlayStation brand alone (just look at the "$600 is cheap for what you're getting" comments).
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"There are also some negative reviews about the wii controller that it is a nice device, but only for a short while, it's just a gimmick..."
Thee are 1 million (give or take 100,000) new Wii owners with firsthand experience who will disagree with that.
(I don't own a Wii, but I have played with it for several hours, and I'll testify that it's no gimmick)
Funny, I thought college frat boys would flock to Wii Sports, if only for the oppportunity to stay up all night boxing each other into (virtual) submission...;-)
"However, in a six months to a year we'll see some amazing games come out for the platform that make use of Cell's full potential."
Like what, pray tell? Honestly, I'm having a damn hard time thinking of what magic mojo in the PS3 is going to result in games that are significantly better or more innovative than the stuff we have now.
"Wow, this Cell-driven blood-splatter is so realistic!" "Look at those awesome high-res textures!" "Hey, the PS3 has twice as many attacking zombies as the PS2!"
Despite the current-gen graphics of the Wii (and what's wrong with current-gen, anyway?), the controllers will force innovation and creativity by forcing developers to think of new ways to use its motion-sensing and pointing capabilities. When even a threadworn franchise like Madden gets revitalized with the Wii's motion-based gameplay, that says a lot about the potential for developers trying out new ideas.
"I will not argue in the Jaguar's defense, however. Total buzzkill of a system. The only game worth playing on it is Doom, and even that's not very good."
You left out Aliens vs. Predator (awesome atmosphere), Iron Soldier (a quasi-realistic mech combat game), and Tesmpest 2000 (still awesome after all these years). There were also some moderately decent arcade titles like NBA Jam Tournament Edition and Super Burnout to fill the gaps.
The two big things that killed the Jaguar were (a) it was designed to compete with the Super NES/Genesis just as textured polygon graphics were on the rise, and (b) cheap-ass incompetent mismanagement by the Tramiels. I swear, Jack Tramiel only kept the company running as a tax write-off for his sons more than anything else...
Yes, the media is dominated by leftists who want to do nothing but make Republicans look bad -- why, I can't believe how they've been hammering Bush non-stop for bungling things the last six years...
The letter in question was (falsely) claiming that only US-born citizens were allowed to vote, and that naturalized citizens who voted would be committing a felony.
"Despite the loud headline, the article actually goes on to detail several candidates- both Republican and Democrat- that have been victims of these calls."
Really? The only article that talks about Republican candidates being smeared by these robo-calls is the boston.com article, and even that one only offers the American Family Voices' robo-call campaign against Mark Foley for a "Dems are bad" example. All of the other articles listed in the headline refer to examples of Republicans using robo-calls to pose as Democratic candidates in an effort to piss off Dem supporters.
Once again: What'd you expect? They're Republicans.
"In other words, once you see what the PS3 can do on a good display, you'd never buy a Wii." Since I don't have a high-end HDTV, and Sony isn't bundling one with the PS3, all that eye candy won't do me any good.
"Conclusion: seeing is believing. I'll get three, please." Sure, but that's only because you're a Sony marketeer in disguise.;-)
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"If you deliver excellent quality you can compete with Nintendo also on Nintendo systems. Classic example is Rayman Raving rabbits, probably the only non Nintendo must have title for the Wii. And just because the game really is designed for the wii (it would not work on other consoles that way, due to the control scheme)"
An even better example appears to be Elebits, which has been getting a lot of buzz from regular players (as opposed to gaming magazines). I haven't played it myself, but the word I've been hearing is that while there are a few graphics glitches, the game is original, clever, and addictively fun, and can't be pulled off on any other system. I'm seriously thinking of getting this before Rayman once I work through my initial Wii launch titles.
"Let me list a few things:"
Putting aside your entire message sounds like a Sony astroturf plant, I notice you didn't list anything having to do with the most important criteria for a video game system -- fun and games. At least the Wii can genuinely claim to deliver a new and more immersive video-gaming experience; to the layman, the PS3 is just Sony's rebranding of an XBox.
Paying $500-$600 to play the same games you can already get with an XBox 360 or a PS2 doesn't seem smart to me. But then, since you got yours for free, I guess that's moot...
"It seems like there are a few ideas that are common in PC land and improve on the Mac way of doing things, that Apple just doesn't want to impliment purely out of a competitive spirit."
In the case of the zoom/maximize button, I think the correct answer is "Apple doesn't do it Microsoft's way because Microsoft's way is effing retarded."
Satoru Iwata should've been #1. 'nuff said.
"Come on. Mario Kart is not a port?"
Eight-player simultaneous play on WiFi and internet? Sixteen all-new tracks? New weapons and tactics? A sequel, sure, but calling it a "port" is selling the game short.
"What about all the Apple laptops you see in movies and TV shows? It's a fine line between paid (or "donated") product placement and pretending not to be an advertisement in my opinion."
It's not Apple's fault if other computer makers have PCs and laptops that look ass-tastic and make set designers retch at the thought of sticking them in their movies and TV shows.
Yes, because everyone knows that Katamari Damacy representats the pinnacle of PS2 graphics, and the PSP can't display anything better than LocoRoco.
(Hint: There's a difference between "style" and "ability." Learn the difference)
The one they had back in the days of Archon, Pinball Construction Set, Seven Cities of Gold, and M.U.L.E.
'course, that was a long time ago...
"Sony releases new PlayStation model and people stand in lines for a week or so to buy it and it sells out in 10 minutes"
That's not hard if you only have one to sell.
The thing that's really hurting is that, depite all the hype and the astronomical price, it's not substantially different or better than what the XBox 360 is offering. At least the Wii can claim lower price + novel controller; all Sony has is their brand, and the market is showing that there are some $600+ pills it won't swallow.
There's already the Nintendo DS Cooking Navigator; making a Wii version wouldn't be a big stretch.
"It seems a general consensus is that a well-calibrated wiimote is very accurate as far as the hardware goes, but the first wave of games does not use this accuracy. Instead they all go for a kind of mouse gestures without 1:1 mapping off player movements to in-game movements."
After playing tennis, baseball, and bowling on Wii Sports, I can say that this statement is incorrect.
"Of all the stores I've been to I've yet to see a Wii demo running."
Go to a GameStop or EB Games -- you give them your ID, and they'll give you a remote so you can play their Wii kiosk.
Or, alternately, go to one of these malls and try it there.
"What went wrong with Sony? Why can't they compete anymore?"
Their ego's gotten the best of them. Like Microsoft five years ago, Sony management really do believe they can release crap and people will buy it, simply on the PlayStation brand alone (just look at the "$600 is cheap for what you're getting" comments).
"There are also some negative reviews about the wii controller that it is a nice device, but only for a short while, it's just a gimmick..."
Thee are 1 million (give or take 100,000) new Wii owners with firsthand experience who will disagree with that.
(I don't own a Wii, but I have played with it for several hours, and I'll testify that it's no gimmick)
Funny, I thought college frat boys would flock to Wii Sports, if only for the oppportunity to stay up all night boxing each other into (virtual) submission... ;-)
"And people twirly eyed over Wii do so based on what exactly?"
Er, actually playing the darn thing, maybe? I've played it several times in the last week at various GameStop stores.
"However, in a six months to a year we'll see some amazing games come out for the platform that make use of Cell's full potential."
Like what, pray tell? Honestly, I'm having a damn hard time thinking of what magic mojo in the PS3 is going to result in games that are significantly better or more innovative than the stuff we have now.
"Wow, this Cell-driven blood-splatter is so realistic!"
"Look at those awesome high-res textures!"
"Hey, the PS3 has twice as many attacking zombies as the PS2!"
Despite the current-gen graphics of the Wii (and what's wrong with current-gen, anyway?), the controllers will force innovation and creativity by forcing developers to think of new ways to use its motion-sensing and pointing capabilities. When even a threadworn franchise like Madden gets revitalized with the Wii's motion-based gameplay, that says a lot about the potential for developers trying out new ideas.
"I will not argue in the Jaguar's defense, however. Total buzzkill of a system. The only game worth playing on it is Doom, and even that's not very good."
You left out Aliens vs. Predator (awesome atmosphere), Iron Soldier (a quasi-realistic mech combat game), and Tesmpest 2000 (still awesome after all these years). There were also some moderately decent arcade titles like NBA Jam Tournament Edition and Super Burnout to fill the gaps.
The two big things that killed the Jaguar were (a) it was designed to compete with the Super NES/Genesis just as textured polygon graphics were on the rise, and (b) cheap-ass incompetent mismanagement by the Tramiels. I swear, Jack Tramiel only kept the company running as a tax write-off for his sons more than anything else...
"What is wrong with paper ballots?!!!??!?"
;-)
They're much harder for the Republicans to steal. That's what they mean when they tell you that e-voting is "more efficient."
Yes, the media is dominated by leftists who want to do nothing but make Republicans look bad -- why, I can't believe how they've been hammering Bush non-stop for bungling things the last six years...
The letter in question was (falsely) claiming that only US-born citizens were allowed to vote, and that naturalized citizens who voted would be committing a felony.
"Despite the loud headline, the article actually goes on to detail several candidates- both Republican and Democrat- that have been victims of these calls."
Really? The only article that talks about Republican candidates being smeared by these robo-calls is the boston.com article, and even that one only offers the American Family Voices' robo-call campaign against Mark Foley for a "Dems are bad" example. All of the other articles listed in the headline refer to examples of Republicans using robo-calls to pose as Democratic candidates in an effort to piss off Dem supporters.
Once again: What'd you expect? They're Republicans.
It's the Republicans. Is anyone actually surprised?
"In other words, once you see what the PS3 can do on a good display, you'd never buy a Wii."
;-)
Since I don't have a high-end HDTV, and Sony isn't bundling one with the PS3, all that eye candy won't do me any good.
"Conclusion: seeing is believing. I'll get three, please."
Sure, but that's only because you're a Sony marketeer in disguise.
"This guy has some issues. Problably from playing too many games as a kid."
I think his problems come from not playing enough games as a kid, actually.