Thanks. I'm not sure why you'd have trouble with the motherboards fitting standard cases, I've been using a brushed aluminum coolmaster wave for ages now and at work I just recently racked an ATX mobo we had laying around into a steel AT case from ages ago and managed to fit it (a few small modifications).
With Vista it's Microsoft's fault. With Ubuntu (or any open source project) technically, it's our fault. So if you're confused about the missing flames maybe you need to rethink what Open means.
Is striping the motherboard and CPU as simple? I'm actually curious. That's what I like about my PC, the incremental upgrades. I tend to do MB/memory/CPU >> memory >> video/hard drive or some variation depending on where I think I'll get the most performance. I've only ever worked on a Mac laptop and the components I priced where outlandish, but it was a laptop so I didn't think much of it.
Man, where's the love? Audiophiles are NAUGHTY. I think I count as something other then a person who "use[es] it as a soundtrack to their sad pathetic lives as they schlep their bodies to and from work" but I don't get all freaky about it. I've played bass in a punk band, owned and operated my own studio WAY before it was considered cool (or trivial) and currently run an internet radio station.
But none of that makes me better then you, or anyone else. People do what they like, hopefully (don't get me mixed up as a nice person) love. If you love your highs and lows that much I'm really glad for you. Super. But the moment you think that somehow makes you more special then someone else you've missed the boat.
I won't argue that, but I have a $200 cut off. I figure the serious enthusiast is $600-800, enthusiast $300-500, pro-sumer is $200-300. I try to keep it in that lower sweet-spot and figure if I do my research I'll get something that performs within the $300-500 for a much more reasonable price.
That happens to me ALL the time! I bought this video camcorder one time that some guys had just stolen some from down at the dock. You know the prices on the docks are really great! Tons of stuff coming through them too! Anyway, so I paid like $80. Which was fricking great! Super-cheap. But I was busy working and stuff so I just slipped it out of sight until I could set it up later. I lifted it up to feel the weight to make sure it was real. The guy was a little weird but the wrapping and price was tops! I never figured out how to use it and the return policy really sucked (I think he threatened me) but I did admire his wrapping job! Easily the best brick I have ever bought!
>> News flash: sometimes when you buy something it's not what you paid for and you take it back. World is in chaos, story at 11.
This is how it's been for as long as I can remember and once in a while you do run into some asshole like this (these?) and muster what public ill-will you can and it winds up costing the business.
There's nothing noble about selling a product and not honoring the sale. If, as a business, you want to do this you'd better crack each one of those boxes yourself. Verify it works and contains the product(s) as listed on the box while the customer is there. That's reasonable, but it will cut into your revenue and inconvenience the customer.
I typically build out my own systems ever 2 years. I used to be pretty hardcore about it but I'm getting older and busier and lazier. I realize this leaves me behind the curve since I used to play competitively and talk wasn't the only thing the shiniest card you could afford would get you.
More recently when I do get around to building a new system I tend to go higher spec in the memory/cpu/drive areas (at least one high performance drive) and then branch out with the graphics card being a lower-midrange job after I've been able to do lots of research to be sure I'm getting the best bang for my buck. This is the kind of card that makes me think it's time to do some upgrades and once I do I can ignore things again for a while. I might not need all the horsepower right away, but at least I'll have decent performance for the next 2 or so years and by then...there will be another. It's economical and still keeps you slightly above the curve.
No-one should feel "kicked in the sac" for adopting cutting-edge technology. Anyone who does so should be savvy enough to know the costs and the market.
Re-reading my post I see some blatant flaws in my logic anyway, like my use of inequity. From a sales POV I get the segmentation. From a free market point of view I think I get a little fuzzy. I tend to agree with you on the regionization point, as someone who would never buy a Russian (etc) language version of program regardless of the price difference (just too inconvenient) but I realize that this drives the cost of bringing the product to market up and still doesn't address English speaking economies that can't bear USD or worse yet GBP (which as a US citizen I'd be out-raged to pay).
I wonder sometimes why it is that we (and by we I mean myself) don't value age or wisdom. I don't mean that like a hippie or anything. In our culture I wonder if the strongest and the smartest still survive the longest. I wonder what it is in value that we lack (as society, as elderly). When I look at old people I wonder what I'll be like when I get there. Is our culture juvenile or are our elderly simply uninterested in participation? There is something to be said for the value of lessons which really are only taught by time. Young people are good at spontaneous creativity, passion, learning, lots of things but most all the people I've known missed some fundamental understanding about life.
is that they shouldn't charge what the regional markets will bear but rather one price regardless of inequity? Usually I like swearing and getting charged up but if we charged 1st world prices on everything we'd effectively cut less rich markets off at the knees and/or encourage the entrenchment of piracy as the market naturally adjusts itself.
People got caught trying to work an angle. Hopefully Valve will work with them instead of against them (paying the difference is much more reasonable then locking a customer out).
Let me preface this by saying I don't have anything against any consoles. But you mention computing power (among other things) as the reason Will is wrong. But if that's the case the PC (I'm not trolling, bear with me) is truly the Next-Gen console, but of course that isn't the case. So considering innovation in the consoles is not their primary focus (I'd say over-all game experience is) then the Wii truly is the most innovative Next-Gen console. Really the only innovative Next-Gen console, which is admirably risky considering game is king on the console. But Nintendo has been in this game for a long time and I'd imagine they are pretty good at doing what they do.
Either way I don't see Will's statement devaluing 360 or PS3 any. Console gamers like their consoles and I don't think good graphics will be going out of style any time soon.
I appreciate the point about time and I do think XP (Pro) is a fine desktop. But all the problems you point out can be said for any OS. Sometimes installs go haywire. It's bad luck.
I personally don't like Vista and all the annoyances that seem to get in the way of just using it. It can seem like the only really new features in it *are* the annoying features. Ubuntu (which I'm using now) has worked pretty much without a hitch. Still not what I'd call parent-proof, but far better a desktop then I'd expected it to be.
That's what I thought. But badminton get a bad wrap. It's the only sport I've ever played where you can strike someone on purpose (spike!). Of course maybe we played with the rules a little loose. Tipping was fun too. Trouble is once you get used to it you're no fun for a lazy day at the park, and your friends don't appreciate welts.
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Thanks. I'm not sure why you'd have trouble with the motherboards fitting standard cases, I've been using a brushed aluminum coolmaster wave for ages now and at work I just recently racked an ATX mobo we had laying around into a steel AT case from ages ago and managed to fit it (a few small modifications).
With Vista it's Microsoft's fault. With Ubuntu (or any open source project) technically, it's our fault. So if you're confused about the missing flames maybe you need to rethink what Open means.
Is striping the motherboard and CPU as simple? I'm actually curious. That's what I like about my PC, the incremental upgrades. I tend to do MB/memory/CPU >> memory >> video/hard drive or some variation depending on where I think I'll get the most performance. I've only ever worked on a Mac laptop and the components I priced where outlandish, but it was a laptop so I didn't think much of it.
When I was a kid the cool people had reel-to-reel. Everyone else had turntables.
Why didn't you tell me sooner! Finally someone definitively clears it up for me.
Man, where's the love? Audiophiles are NAUGHTY. I think I count as something other then a person who "use[es] it as a soundtrack to their sad pathetic lives as they schlep their bodies to and from work" but I don't get all freaky about it. I've played bass in a punk band, owned and operated my own studio WAY before it was considered cool (or trivial) and currently run an internet radio station.
But none of that makes me better then you, or anyone else. People do what they like, hopefully (don't get me mixed up as a nice person) love. If you love your highs and lows that much I'm really glad for you. Super. But the moment you think that somehow makes you more special then someone else you've missed the boat.
I won't argue that, but I have a $200 cut off. I figure the serious enthusiast is $600-800, enthusiast $300-500, pro-sumer is $200-300. I try to keep it in that lower sweet-spot and figure if I do my research I'll get something that performs within the $300-500 for a much more reasonable price.
That happens to me ALL the time! I bought this video camcorder one time that some guys had just stolen some from down at the dock. You know the prices on the docks are really great! Tons of stuff coming through them too! Anyway, so I paid like $80. Which was fricking great! Super-cheap. But I was busy working and stuff so I just slipped it out of sight until I could set it up later. I lifted it up to feel the weight to make sure it was real. The guy was a little weird but the wrapping and price was tops! I never figured out how to use it and the return policy really sucked (I think he threatened me) but I did admire his wrapping job! Easily the best brick I have ever bought!
How do YOU prove that you aren't actually posting this from within the box! You in fact could be the box? How can we trust you! How can we know?
How long have you been shopping for yourself?
>> News flash: sometimes when you buy something it's not what you paid for and you take it back. World is in chaos, story at 11.
This is how it's been for as long as I can remember and once in a while you do run into some asshole like this (these?) and muster what public ill-will you can and it winds up costing the business.
There's nothing noble about selling a product and not honoring the sale. If, as a business, you want to do this you'd better crack each one of those boxes yourself. Verify it works and contains the product(s) as listed on the box while the customer is there. That's reasonable, but it will cut into your revenue and inconvenience the customer.
I typically build out my own systems ever 2 years. I used to be pretty hardcore about it but I'm getting older and busier and lazier. I realize this leaves me behind the curve since I used to play competitively and talk wasn't the only thing the shiniest card you could afford would get you.
More recently when I do get around to building a new system I tend to go higher spec in the memory/cpu/drive areas (at least one high performance drive) and then branch out with the graphics card being a lower-midrange job after I've been able to do lots of research to be sure I'm getting the best bang for my buck. This is the kind of card that makes me think it's time to do some upgrades and once I do I can ignore things again for a while. I might not need all the horsepower right away, but at least I'll have decent performance for the next 2 or so years and by then...there will be another. It's economical and still keeps you slightly above the curve.
No-one should feel "kicked in the sac" for adopting cutting-edge technology. Anyone who does so should be savvy enough to know the costs and the market.
Everyone knows $400 cards are Jordache. :_
Jelly beans.
Damn kids.
Re-reading my post I see some blatant flaws in my logic anyway, like my use of inequity. From a sales POV I get the segmentation. From a free market point of view I think I get a little fuzzy. I tend to agree with you on the regionization point, as someone who would never buy a Russian (etc) language version of program regardless of the price difference (just too inconvenient) but I realize that this drives the cost of bringing the product to market up and still doesn't address English speaking economies that can't bear USD or worse yet GBP (which as a US citizen I'd be out-raged to pay).
I wonder sometimes why it is that we (and by we I mean myself) don't value age or wisdom. I don't mean that like a hippie or anything. In our culture I wonder if the strongest and the smartest still survive the longest. I wonder what it is in value that we lack (as society, as elderly). When I look at old people I wonder what I'll be like when I get there. Is our culture juvenile or are our elderly simply uninterested in participation? There is something to be said for the value of lessons which really are only taught by time. Young people are good at spontaneous creativity, passion, learning, lots of things but most all the people I've known missed some fundamental understanding about life.
is that they shouldn't charge what the regional markets will bear but rather one price regardless of inequity? Usually I like swearing and getting charged up but if we charged 1st world prices on everything we'd effectively cut less rich markets off at the knees and/or encourage the entrenchment of piracy as the market naturally adjusts itself.
People got caught trying to work an angle. Hopefully Valve will work with them instead of against them (paying the difference is much more reasonable then locking a customer out).
Let me preface this by saying I don't have anything against any consoles. But you mention computing power (among other things) as the reason Will is wrong. But if that's the case the PC (I'm not trolling, bear with me) is truly the Next-Gen console, but of course that isn't the case. So considering innovation in the consoles is not their primary focus (I'd say over-all game experience is) then the Wii truly is the most innovative Next-Gen console. Really the only innovative Next-Gen console, which is admirably risky considering game is king on the console. But Nintendo has been in this game for a long time and I'd imagine they are pretty good at doing what they do.
Either way I don't see Will's statement devaluing 360 or PS3 any. Console gamers like their consoles and I don't think good graphics will be going out of style any time soon.
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There, now you don't have to feel left out.
I'd fight Nazis. I'm just not keen on killing and destabilizing in the name of terr^^^^^oil.
I appreciate the point about time and I do think XP (Pro) is a fine desktop. But all the problems you point out can be said for any OS. Sometimes installs go haywire. It's bad luck.
I personally don't like Vista and all the annoyances that seem to get in the way of just using it. It can seem like the only really new features in it *are* the annoying features. Ubuntu (which I'm using now) has worked pretty much without a hitch. Still not what I'd call parent-proof, but far better a desktop then I'd expected it to be.
That's what I thought. But badminton get a bad wrap. It's the only sport I've ever played where you can strike someone on purpose (spike!). Of course maybe we played with the rules a little loose. Tipping was fun too. Trouble is once you get used to it you're no fun for a lazy day at the park, and your friends don't appreciate welts.