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Anyhow, at that much per chip, that is clearly in line with Itanium2 pricing, and I2 is at least a little faster at a lot of tasks than Opteron.
For now, the fastest itanium may be a little faster but AMD has a very agressive roadmap for the next few years. Just remember that "little" faster comes at a lot of expense in terms of power requirements and heat disipation. In fact, itanium is so hot that it is virtually useless for dense blade environments. Opteron can also run legacy code (32-bit x86) faster than 32-bit Athlon and Pentium 4. itanium can not do this. The hardware was way too slow and now they have reverted to a software solution. I can buy an Opteron today for a few hundred dollars and run Linux, *BSD, Windoze, Solaris, QNX, you name it, straight out of the box and unmodified. You can't do that with itanic. In fact I couldn't buy a 1-way (or 2-way) itanium for a few hundred bucks, and I can't just shove my Slackware boot CD in it and be up and running in minutes.
So, I expect we'll see a Pentium with "64-bit extensions" RSN. If intel has any sense, it will be an implementation of the AMD64 instruction set. Otherwise I can't see everyone rushing to port to yet another archictecture. M$ has put its weight firmly behind AMD64. Even though I loathe and detest Microsoft, they're done us all a big favour by backing the right CPU horse for once, which all but garantees mass-market adoption.
I doubt that intel can keep up the faster clockspeed is better even in the consumer space for much longer. People are going to be really embarrassed when that 3GHz Petium 4 is outperformed by the 2.0GHz AMD which cost half as much. It'll happen. Gamers will be the key here.
I predict 3-4 years before people really need them.
Ah, you either work for intel or HP. I see. You're a wee bit behind the times. Or will a cut-down itanic make its way into the PeeCee market in the next 12 months?
And 64 bit arithmetic takes twice as long in the hardware and 2-4 times the electricity as 32 bit arithmetic.
Funny that. Whose processors today consume the most electricity? c.f. the 64-bit ones that have been about for a decade (and the new AMD64). Poor old itanic doesn't do very well in that case, does it? I suppose you could under-clock it to, say, 500MHz and make it run a bit cooler.
Oh well. The assembly language looks intersting from a esoteric point of view. I believe in the late 80's signal processors had similar instruction sets? Of course, nowadays these are relegated to very specialist embedded niches.
Anyway, what do I know. I'm just an enthusuastic ammateur.
The cheapest way with current technology might well be to use Russian rockets. 'Course that puts a big ding in the presidential pride, right? A bit like the way the last series of American rockets using Russian engines only worse.
This national pride thing strikes me as odd. It is archaic and a form of racism ("us" vs. "them"). We do not complain when a european car uses a Japanese engine, or a British government computer is built and programmed by Americans (well, maybe we do but that's another story) so why should we get all hot and bothered about space ships? Why should we not stand on the shoulders of giants and use what is already there? Imagine if each time a new car was developed, the whole thing was done from scratch,: each and every component, not just each system.
Personally, I'd be a lot happier if it was an international effort. That way when the US Government gets cold feet again, or is unable to meet its end of the bargain again, the mission will continue and mankind as a whole gets something out of it.I agree entirely.
Who are we to object? It is the will of the people. Vigilante justice. If you ask most people what they think should happen to sex offenders, they'll tell you they should be castrated, hung, shot, beheaded, stoned to death, hot pokers... you name it.
A quote from the BBC article really sums it up: "But whatever he has done in the past does not give people the right to attack and kill him."
But people would argue back,"why does he deserve any rights or the protection of the law after what he's done?" For many people, justice is not justice until they have their eye for the eye lost. Some may call it revenge, but the Great British Public calls it "fair."
Oh, and if you oppose, you have something to hide, right? You must be one of them.
I still have the first computer book I ever bought. Electronic Data Processing by Glyn Emery Pitman. Published in 1968.
Goodness me! I have on my bookshelf a book by Glyn Emery called The Students' FORTH. I bought it in 1988 when I was 14 from Waterstones in Aberdeen. It still has the price on it. It's a good book. Not many people have heard of FORTH nowadays, but it has its place.
Real men use toggle switches to enter 6-bit bytes, one memory location at a time and do octal calculations in their head. Kiddies use the tty and paper tape reader/writer.
I for one, moved away from using Microsoft stuff years ago because I was so fed up with its flakiness. I hope I never live to see the day when it is nearly impossible to buy a car with MS software in it. Non-critical systems or no, enough things are prone to breaking in life without adding more shoddy Microsoft stuff. I have enough to contend with without Billy's less-than-ammateur-standard backward and feeble software. When you grow up and become a real engineer you will learn that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," is much more wisdom than you ever thought, for reasons you have yet to comprehend. Simplicity is a vastly under-rated virtue.
Nope. That's way to high level. I'm talking about everyday things like "I think therefore I am." I believe that I think, therefore I believe that I am.
Interesting. I think that belief is more fundamental than that. I think it is a natural consequence of and essential requirement of living in this universe, from a philosophical point of view.
Is it the symptom or the cause? Why do we as a species rush to believe in the supernatural with no solid evidence? Come on Darwinists, explain the evolutionary advantage to faith!
15 years ago I was saying exactly the same about the Compaq SLT/286, which was a 12MHz 286 (16-bit) with 1 megabyte of RAM, a 20MB hard disk, a 3.5" floppy drive and a 16 grey scales 640x480 LCD. Why would anyone want one of those fancy 386 thingies in a laptop forgoodnesssakes.
Howdy Ho guys. Seems to me like large clusters of "inexpensive" machines to make supercomputers is fast becomin' the norm rather than the exception. Hell, Im even buildin' my own cluster back at the ranch out of old junk machines. I ain't gonna crack no DNA mysteries, but I sure am goin' to have a lot of fun networkin' them up, writin' load balancin' code and doin' lots of sums. Yeah Haw!
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Nyeah, and the Chinese had the first rockets, of course........ :-)
For now, the fastest itanium may be a little faster but AMD has a very agressive roadmap for the next few years. Just remember that "little" faster comes at a lot of expense in terms of power requirements and heat disipation. In fact, itanium is so hot that it is virtually useless for dense blade environments. Opteron can also run legacy code (32-bit x86) faster than 32-bit Athlon and Pentium 4. itanium can not do this. The hardware was way too slow and now they have reverted to a software solution. I can buy an Opteron today for a few hundred dollars and run Linux, *BSD, Windoze, Solaris, QNX, you name it, straight out of the box and unmodified. You can't do that with itanic. In fact I couldn't buy a 1-way (or 2-way) itanium for a few hundred bucks, and I can't just shove my Slackware boot CD in it and be up and running in minutes.
So, I expect we'll see a Pentium with "64-bit extensions" RSN. If intel has any sense, it will be an implementation of the AMD64 instruction set. Otherwise I can't see everyone rushing to port to yet another archictecture. M$ has put its weight firmly behind AMD64. Even though I loathe and detest Microsoft, they're done us all a big favour by backing the right CPU horse for once, which all but garantees mass-market adoption.
I doubt that intel can keep up the faster clockspeed is better even in the consumer space for much longer. People are going to be really embarrassed when that 3GHz Petium 4 is outperformed by the 2.0GHz AMD which cost half as much. It'll happen. Gamers will be the key here.
So, which horse are you putting your money on?
Ah, you mean an oxymoron :-) Like McDonalds Restaurant and Military Intelligence or Microsoft Security?
Ah, you either work for intel or HP. I see. You're a wee bit behind the times. Or will a cut-down itanic make its way into the PeeCee market in the next 12 months?
And 64 bit arithmetic takes twice as long in the hardware and 2-4 times the electricity as 32 bit arithmetic.
Funny that. Whose processors today consume the most electricity? c.f. the 64-bit ones that have been about for a decade (and the new AMD64). Poor old itanic doesn't do very well in that case, does it? I suppose you could under-clock it to, say, 500MHz and make it run a bit cooler.
Oh well. The assembly language looks intersting from a esoteric point of view. I believe in the late 80's signal processors had similar instruction sets? Of course, nowadays these are relegated to very specialist embedded niches.
Anyway, what do I know. I'm just an enthusuastic ammateur.
...that no one needs 64 bits on the desktop.
Blimey! Your insects are clever! Are they special top-secret super bees? Do they kill commies?
I hope the spiders don't object. Those tarantulas look mighty fierce.
Do they write tomatoe as well?
This national pride thing strikes me as odd. It is archaic and a form of racism ("us" vs. "them"). We do not complain when a european car uses a Japanese engine, or a British government computer is built and programmed by Americans (well, maybe we do but that's another story) so why should we get all hot and bothered about space ships? Why should we not stand on the shoulders of giants and use what is already there? Imagine if each time a new car was developed, the whole thing was done from scratch,: each and every component, not just each system.
Personally, I'd be a lot happier if it was an international effort. That way when the US Government gets cold feet again, or is unable to meet its end of the bargain again, the mission will continue and mankind as a whole gets something out of it.I agree entirely.
A quote from the BBC article really sums it up: "But whatever he has done in the past does not give people the right to attack and kill him."
But people would argue back,"why does he deserve any rights or the protection of the law after what he's done?" For many people, justice is not justice until they have their eye for the eye lost. Some may call it revenge, but the Great British Public calls it "fair."
Oh, and if you oppose, you have something to hide, right? You must be one of them.
Goodness me! I have on my bookshelf a book by Glyn Emery called The Students' FORTH. I bought it in 1988 when I was 14 from Waterstones in Aberdeen. It still has the price on it. It's a good book. Not many people have heard of FORTH nowadays, but it has its place.
Real men use toggle switches to enter 6-bit bytes, one memory location at a time and do octal calculations in their head. Kiddies use the tty and paper tape reader/writer.
Let me guess, you bought a Pentium 4? :-)
Here is an attempt to implement Open Firmware on PeeCees.
I meant without. That'll teach me for getting angry at Bill again...
I for one, moved away from using Microsoft stuff years ago because I was so fed up with its flakiness. I hope I never live to see the day when it is nearly impossible to buy a car with MS software in it. Non-critical systems or no, enough things are prone to breaking in life without adding more shoddy Microsoft stuff. I have enough to contend with without Billy's less-than-ammateur-standard backward and feeble software. When you grow up and become a real engineer you will learn that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," is much more wisdom than you ever thought, for reasons you have yet to comprehend. Simplicity is a vastly under-rated virtue.
Good. That's what I was hoping.
Now do I believe in you? :-)
Nope. That's way to high level. I'm talking about everyday things like "I think therefore I am." I believe that I think, therefore I believe that I am.
Interesting. I think that belief is more fundamental than that. I think it is a natural consequence of and essential requirement of living in this universe, from a philosophical point of view.
Is it the symptom or the cause? Why do we as a species rush to believe in the supernatural with no solid evidence? Come on Darwinists, explain the evolutionary advantage to faith!
15 years ago I was saying exactly the same about the Compaq SLT/286, which was a 12MHz 286 (16-bit) with 1 megabyte of RAM, a 20MB hard disk, a 3.5" floppy drive and a 16 grey scales 640x480 LCD. Why would anyone want one of those fancy 386 thingies in a laptop forgoodnesssakes.
Howdy Ho guys. Seems to me like large clusters of "inexpensive" machines to make supercomputers is fast becomin' the norm rather than the exception. Hell, Im even buildin' my own cluster back at the ranch out of old junk machines. I ain't gonna crack no DNA mysteries, but I sure am goin' to have a lot of fun networkin' them up, writin' load balancin' code and doin' lots of sums. Yeah Haw!
...but not the Hurd
*ducks*
That lack of focus explains a lot. No wonder they are having difficulty selling these