(Getting too interested in censorship issues in a totalitarian country is usually not the short path to a happy prosperous life.)
So is discussing the situation in China online from within the country;) But I guess your online discussions are safely encrypted.
Not every instance of censorship is precisely equivalent, in either a practical or a moral sense.
Right, but I'm surprised that when it comes to doing business, moral is no category at all. Not even for those who are "not evil". Refusing to stay in the Chinese market would at least have been a signal, and it might have been more "helpful" if the Chinese asked themselves "Why is google pulling out?" than just seeing the "local regulations" notice every once in a while. They might actually have asked their government and authorities some more questions compared to the present situation (see link below).
please name one instance -- just one, is all I ask -- of the Chinese government relaxing its censorship in any way whatsoever in response to a foreign company's refusal to comply.
Not sure if there are any, but would public pressure from the Chinese population count? I think it's not really a matter of making the government change its regulations, but merely a question of whether you want to take a tough stance - or just earn big bucks in a huge, promising market and bend your moral to serve that purpose. BTW, I don't know nor suggest what's good for the Chinese people, but I do dislike the way google handles this.
From dating a Chinese woman for a year and a half
OK, I'll buy into that... even though we're on/. (SCNR)
Taking their ball and going home would improve on that situation how, exactly?
Well, you said it yourself:
The result would have been "Okay, then you don't get to do business in our country,"
Google does not want to "help", google wants to do business. I wonder where you get the notion that the Chinese people "might (otherwise) be unaware of" government censorship and repression - they live there, every day. Helping someone or some country to suppress and censor information is just what it is, no matter what you may call it: censorship. Do you even realize how cynical your post is? You sound as though you knew for sure what is "a good thing for the millions of people in China".
That's deceptive. The rate of inflation is actually horrendous, especially for low-to-middle-income people, who spend their money on food and fuel, and clothing and medical care. Even if inflation was as low as stated, it's the same type of deception that occurred in the 1920s. They kept saying there's no inflation. Inflation is measured by the increase in the money and credit. The distortions sometimes lead to higher prices, but many times you can't predict where those higher prices will emerge. Sometimes it's in a stock market bubble, sometimes it's in commodities, sometimes it goes into the consumer price index. So inflation emerges in different ways. Meanwhile, the biggest problem is the deception that interest rates are low, which causes people who save, people who invest, people who spend to do things they otherwise wouldn't do.
Interestingly, the Federal Reserve does no longer publish M3 - the interview with Ron Paul might explain why.
translation to "unfunny": "the free-information movement (...) [is increasingly considered a] (...) problem." Quite scary, not exactly funny, and not limited to science or the peer review process. Your post is right on target, though. I'll now sit in a corner and laugh.
You are quite right, the link comes very close to 'flamebait' and is meant to provoke thoughts and discussions. What I get is a reference to Wiki (not a very reliable source of info when talking about controversial topics that put the US in a not-so-bright light) and some anon shithead calling me a "lazy, credulous bastard". So what, I don't care about karma and gladly burn some more:
I came across an interesting article about the M3 series, the broadest measure of money supply, which is no longer published by the Federal Reserve. Wondering why that is I found this interview with Ron Paul, a Republican who represents the 14th Congressional district of Texas. Very interesting read, indeed. Knowing that Iran has plans to move international oil trade away from the dollar, it seems like:
- the Fed tries to disguise inflation and its sources and to play down the deficit
- the almost inevitable conflict with Iran is an attempt to keep the dollar and US economy from collapsing, which is what would eventually happen if oil business was to be based on the euro as Iran intends to do
- a system of deception, propaganda and "fascist" control (by revoking civil rights and establishing "homeland security legislation") is being put in place (or already is), and the goal is to disguise the facts that the US currency and economy are crumbling, the deficit exploding, inflation pauperizing the low-to-middle-income people, the reputation of the country going down the drain and the people being sacrificed in order to maximize corporate winnings and protect those in power (those are corporations, as well, and as many of you know "corporation" comprises the political powers - Halliburton etc...).
And while this happens, I read "Go USA! U.S.A! We rule! Best country in the world!" posts here on/. This country is so seriously screwed, it almost makes you cry. I really do feel sorry for the people, cause they will one day wake up. Hopefully - you said: probably - not in a fascist country, but I have my doubts.
Yeah I know I posted this a few times already and some of you might not agree with the characteristics, the author or the site colors. Just count the matches...
well, there is quite a lot of math happening in our brains (and withing human behavior) at any given time, so this seems to be a valid approach, and the "clinical" aspects fully depend on how well you apply maths to your game (or app in general). See this article about the theory of our brain being a Bayesian computer or look up the math of for example traffic jams - they are quite "calculable".
"Tuning" in general might be a good thing, but you need to base you optimization on something - why not math? The question is not moot at all...
What I'm actually trying to say is that I don't have any mod points right now but consider your post to be overrated;)
I agree. The US has the most frightening, provocative, dangerous and presumptuous military doctrine ever. Read for yourself and mod me flamebait afterwards.
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The issue is whether enough people actually voted for him, for whatever reason, to have fairly elected him for this second term.
Tehe...while I agree with what you wrote, the real issue should be: Why is there any doubt at all about the election outcome? Shouldn't there be an election process that leaves no doubt whatsoever? just a thought...
First, 14 credit card service companies helped gather the data; they handed out a list of persons with similar transactions on their CCs: the criteria that were matched were Visa or Mastercard used, 79,99 US$ transaction and a company from the Philippines as recipient.
Second, the authorities in Germany state that everything was done legally and that it's not a case of 'dragnet investigation', since neither prosecution nor police had access to all the data but instead the search was conducted by the CC companies. It was just "standard investigation procedure", even though it has never been done before.
Third, the majority of CCs were apparently not stolen; one of the porn "consumers" was a secondary school teacher (still living in his moms basement btw); huge amounts of kiddie porn were found on his computers. Most of the 322 persons that turned up in the search have a criminal record related to child porn. The whole investigation is sold as a major success throughout the big media outlets in Germany.
The owners of the transaction server are still unknown and will probably remain so (not as stupid as their customers, operating from the Philippines).
My thoughts: whatever data there is out there, it will be used - by governments, corporations and individuals. You do not have any control over your data in a post-9/11-world. The more data there is, the greater the risk you will end up as a match in someones DB query. Now, when it comes to child porn, many people don't care any longer if a search was warranted or illegal, they will only see the results. Along with rising amounts of data being collected, the risk of being targeted as an innocent person rises exponentially. This is why we should all be worried, no matter how glad we are that a few more sick child abusers end up in jail. Seeing how much data we generate each day, I'm increasingly glad I have neither a CC nor a cell phone.
On a somewhat related note: European institutions and governments seem to have no problem with handing out whatever data there is; along with the flight passenger data, the US still has full access to the SWIFT transaction data as well, even though there's no legal backing for such practices in the EU.
tehe.. talk about inappropriate. We're talking about how entering a country as a foreigner makes you end up in a database created for criminals. >30 fields of personal data transferred from my airline towards the US govt as soon as I board the flight (or even before). Unknown / unpredictable consequences when customs officers find something "dangerous" about me, my luggage or my personal data. However inappropriate my defense was: this is just f*ing scary. Just like the people buying the crap about winning a war on terrorism... . He stated it harshly? We didn't read the same comment, I guess - or you are easily offended when it comes to your country being criticized (assuming you're from the US). So there, now you got some flamebait to mod down;)
The executive branch has some control over what gets researched, and I'm basically OK with that; what I'm not OK with is the government's control of the results.
Exactly. With every other country, this topic would have spawned numerous "OMG fascists!!one" replies. MPU!
Their claim that signals can be translated through tunneling in a biological system which likely swamps those potential signals with noise is what really troubles me.
one would think the government already has all the tools they need. Are they now saying that's not enough?
They already have a lot of data, but that's not what it's all about:
"Disaffected people living in the United States may develop radical ideologies and potentially violent skills over the Internet and that could present the next major U.S. security threat, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said on Monday."
So, it's not just Terrorists (TM) anymore, it's the "disaffected" they're after. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2574462
I wonder how they plan to install these things onto the target computers?
I saw an article yesterday that said ISPs are supposed to distribute the trojan to their customers under surveillance; no details on how this should work. Are they supposed to spoof windowsupdate.com and disguise it as a patch or what?!
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At least they got this one right. That's what you get for upgrading: huge hole in your wallet, crappy OS and nvidia forum mods poking fun at you...
Hm, seem - you are quite optimistic. This neat shirt comes to mind. Ask yourself...
here's the word you've probably been looking for...
well, "cheap" depends on where you live; see "tortilla crisis" on google news.
So is discussing the situation in China online from within the country ;) But I guess your online discussions are safely encrypted.
Right, but I'm surprised that when it comes to doing business, moral is no category at all. Not even for those who are "not evil". Refusing to stay in the Chinese market would at least have been a signal, and it might have been more "helpful" if the Chinese asked themselves "Why is google pulling out?" than just seeing the "local regulations" notice every once in a while. They might actually have asked their government and authorities some more questions compared to the present situation (see link below).
Not sure if there are any, but would public pressure from the Chinese population count? I think it's not really a matter of making the government change its regulations, but merely a question of whether you want to take a tough stance - or just earn big bucks in a huge, promising market and bend your moral to serve that purpose. BTW, I don't know nor suggest what's good for the Chinese people, but I do dislike the way google handles this.
OK, I'll buy into that... even though we're on /. (SCNR)
Well, you said it yourself:
The result would have been "Okay, then you don't get to do business in our country,"
Google does not want to "help", google wants to do business. I wonder where you get the notion that the Chinese people "might (otherwise) be unaware of" government censorship and repression - they live there, every day. Helping someone or some country to suppress and censor information is just what it is, no matter what you may call it: censorship. Do you even realize how cynical your post is? You sound as though you knew for sure what is "a good thing for the millions of people in China".
Quote from this interview:
That's deceptive. The rate of inflation is actually horrendous, especially for low-to-middle-income people, who spend their money on food and fuel, and clothing and medical care. Even if inflation was as low as stated, it's the same type of deception that occurred in the 1920s. They kept saying there's no inflation. Inflation is measured by the increase in the money and credit. The distortions sometimes lead to higher prices, but many times you can't predict where those higher prices will emerge. Sometimes it's in a stock market bubble, sometimes it's in commodities, sometimes it goes into the consumer price index. So inflation emerges in different ways. Meanwhile, the biggest problem is the deception that interest rates are low, which causes people who save, people who invest, people who spend to do things they otherwise wouldn't do.
Interestingly, the Federal Reserve does no longer publish M3 - the interview with Ron Paul might explain why.
translation to "unfunny": "the free-information movement (...) [is increasingly considered a] (...) problem." Quite scary, not exactly funny, and not limited to science or the peer review process. Your post is right on target, though. I'll now sit in a corner and laugh.
I came across an interesting article about the M3 series, the broadest measure of money supply, which is no longer published by the Federal Reserve. Wondering why that is I found this interview with Ron Paul, a Republican who represents the 14th Congressional district of Texas. Very interesting read, indeed. Knowing that Iran has plans to move international oil trade away from the dollar, it seems like:
- the Fed tries to disguise inflation and its sources and to play down the deficit
- the almost inevitable conflict with Iran is an attempt to keep the dollar and US economy from collapsing, which is what would eventually happen if oil business was to be based on the euro as Iran intends to do
- a system of deception, propaganda and "fascist" control (by revoking civil rights and establishing "homeland security legislation") is being put in place (or already is), and the goal is to disguise the facts that the US currency and economy are crumbling, the deficit exploding, inflation pauperizing the low-to-middle-income people, the reputation of the country going down the drain and the people being sacrificed in order to maximize corporate winnings and protect those in power (those are corporations, as well, and as many of you know "corporation" comprises the political powers - Halliburton etc...).
And while this happens, I read "Go USA! U.S.A! We rule! Best country in the world!" posts here on /. This country is so seriously screwed, it almost makes you cry. I really do feel sorry for the people, cause they will one day wake up. Hopefully - you said: probably - not in a fascist country, but I have my doubts.
Some elements? See here under "The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism".
Yeah I know I posted this a few times already and some of you might not agree with the characteristics, the author or the site colors. Just count the matches...
"Tuning" in general might be a good thing, but you need to base you optimization on something - why not math? The question is not moot at all...
What I'm actually trying to say is that I don't have any mod points right now but consider your post to be overrated
Need sources? Need proof how the govt "envisions the use of nuclear weapons to deter terrorists from using weapons of mass destruction against the United States"? Don't see why this is provocative? And as far as religion is concerned... oh well never mind.
I agree. The US has the most frightening, provocative, dangerous and presumptuous military doctrine ever. Read for yourself and mod me flamebait afterwards.
Tehe...while I agree with what you wrote, the real issue should be: Why is there any doubt at all about the election outcome? Shouldn't there be an election process that leaves no doubt whatsoever? just a thought...
Second, the authorities in Germany state that everything was done legally and that it's not a case of 'dragnet investigation', since neither prosecution nor police had access to all the data but instead the search was conducted by the CC companies. It was just "standard investigation procedure", even though it has never been done before.
Third, the majority of CCs were apparently not stolen; one of the porn "consumers" was a secondary school teacher (still living in his moms basement btw); huge amounts of kiddie porn were found on his computers. Most of the 322 persons that turned up in the search have a criminal record related to child porn. The whole investigation is sold as a major success throughout the big media outlets in Germany.
The owners of the transaction server are still unknown and will probably remain so (not as stupid as their customers, operating from the Philippines).
My thoughts: whatever data there is out there, it will be used - by governments, corporations and individuals. You do not have any control over your data in a post-9/11-world. The more data there is, the greater the risk you will end up as a match in someones DB query. Now, when it comes to child porn, many people don't care any longer if a search was warranted or illegal, they will only see the results. Along with rising amounts of data being collected, the risk of being targeted as an innocent person rises exponentially. This is why we should all be worried, no matter how glad we are that a few more sick child abusers end up in jail. Seeing how much data we generate each day, I'm increasingly glad I have neither a CC nor a cell phone.
On a somewhat related note: European institutions and governments seem to have no problem with handing out whatever data there is; along with the flight passenger data, the US still has full access to the SWIFT transaction data as well, even though there's no legal backing for such practices in the EU.
tehe.. talk about inappropriate. We're talking about how entering a country as a foreigner makes you end up in a database created for criminals. >30 fields of personal data transferred from my airline towards the US govt as soon as I board the flight (or even before). Unknown / unpredictable consequences when customs officers find something "dangerous" about me, my luggage or my personal data. However inappropriate my defense was: this is just f*ing scary. Just like the people buying the crap about winning a war on terrorism... . He stated it harshly? We didn't read the same comment, I guess - or you are easily offended when it comes to your country being criticized (assuming you're from the US). So there, now you got some flamebait to mod down ;)
Flamebait? Come on, mods! How bout this recent "incident": German businessman of Syrian descent ended up in a Las Vegas jail for two days -- apparently because he had the wrong stamps in his passport. Visiting the US has become an incalculable risk, so don't be surprised if people stay away. If you disagree with people stating those facts, you might as well reply to their posts instead of modding them down for stating the truth.
Exactly. With every other country, this topic would have spawned numerous "OMG fascists!!one" replies. MPU!
Actually, there seems to be quite a lot of noise in our brain.
[Mr. Burns:] Excellent. [/Mr. Burns]
The UK? Yeah, very serious drought there every summer...
They already have a lot of data, but that's not what it's all about:
"Disaffected people living in the United States may develop radical ideologies and potentially violent skills over the Internet and that could present the next major U.S. security threat, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said on Monday."
So, it's not just Terrorists (TM) anymore, it's the "disaffected" they're after.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2574462
I saw an article yesterday that said ISPs are supposed to distribute the trojan to their customers under surveillance; no details on how this should work. Are they supposed to spoof windowsupdate.com and disguise it as a patch or what?!
And yes, no I didn't RTFA.
Whoa, cool! Really cool, in every respect! thx!
They wouldn't say this if it wasn't true - just like they wouldn't put their systems online unless they are secure...