of someone's life, then it's worth spending some time to harden it in the first place.
Yes, what the guy did was wrong, yes he should be punished, but 3 years for the next best thing to entrapment?
If you reported your car stolen after leaving it unlocked with the engine running and the keys in the ignition in a bad part of town you'd be laughed out of the police station.
Stealing the car is still wrong, but surely you can't expect it not to be stolen under those circumstances. Doesn't that make it entrapment?
Why is it that the IT equivalent of exploiting such gross stupidity is demonized?
You know, the ones that supposedly 'home home' using any available channel in case they're stolen.
The feature is supposed to be impossible to turn off (for obvious reasons).
How long before someone finds a bug ion one of those? Won't that be fun, a vulnerability you cannot turn off:-)
But I would guesstimate that Linux is at least 1 year away from solid NTFS support.
... at which time the NTFS 'standard' will mysteriously change.
"solid R/W NTFS supprot" is as much of a pipedream as "flawless.DOC support". It's a moving target.
These things say to me that, within a few years, we're going to see some really damn secure stuff coming out of Microsoft.
Adding internet capability does not remove things from the programs it was added to.
Adding "security" usually means loosing features, options, performance, "ease of (ab)use", time-to-market etc. Security is a trade-off.
Also, much of their "security" effort is directed at DRM (which has nothing to do with _MY_ security).
I think they'll get better at security, but at some point they'll "leave well enough alone".
To paraphrase you:
XXX when it works is perfect. XXX when it doesn't is just weird and fucked up.
Yeah, I agree.
Though for me it's usually windows that's being weird, as I'm much more familiar with Linux.
I don't think the computer manufacturers would have signed on in the latter case; they don't want to put all their eggs in one basket by eliminating the general-purpose nature of the PC.
If Microsoft were to push them that way, and given that Windows has > 90% market penetration, that'd be an awfully big, attractive basket for some HW vendors to put their eggs into.
Beta releases typically have more debug in them so they run slower.
Also, a "bare bones" system may not be intended to run more than one major app at a time.
Having said that, these specs to me seem ludicrous for the sort of people (like my nearest and dearest) who have dial-up i/net access and just want to do email and ight web-browsing. Sorta like insisting people buy a hummer to drive to bingo once a week.
Right, but it you _REALLY_ want to, you can download the source and fix it yourself.
If there are enough people like you who want it to work a third party can provide support.
How many people WANT to use Win9x because it does everything they need it to and doesn't require a HW upgrade?
With commercial software you don't get that option, support (usually) stops when the vendor says so, not when the customers say so.
IDE's are great for getting predictable things done quickly. Once you stray outside what the makers of the IDS predicted you would do they start to work against you.
Some also create truly awful code, the sort of stuff no-one learning a language should ever read lest they pick up some very bad habbits.
So I'd say, teach them both. Emphasise that the IDE nice way to get simple stuff done quickly, but to really LEARN the language they have to use a texteditor and a commandline.
Ultimately I think the latter makes you a better, more productive programmer. Some people don't care about that though, all they want is a simple way to do simple things (this is not meant as an offense, we all only have 24-hours per day and only some of the things that interest us are worthy of some of that time). Fine, teach them the IDE.
I think that if most Windows users just used to use Windows in a safe way (and read the fucking dialog boxes that came up instead of reflexively clicking "OK" to everything)
Any security model that depends on users to this extent WILL NEVER WORK!.
60% of the 'consumer' vista is being rewritten, nothing about how much of the consumer one...
Does that meant that the 'corporate' vista will be 60% different?
Does this mean we're back to the good old days of one windows for home (9x) and one for the office (NT)?
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>but surely you can't expect it not to be stolen under those circumstances.
... otherwise it's theft.
You're damn right i expect it not to be stolen.
It appears your circumstances are vastly different form the ones I outlined.
Its not entrapment, no one held a gun to the thieves head and said "steal this or i'll shoot you".
That's not entrapment either, it's coercion.
I agree, as you'll note in my original post.
I merely question whether the punishment, 3 years, fits the crime and the circumstances of the crime.
why the hell are we so adamant that because they are "computer" based they should magically be 100% accurate and reliable?
I think most people are willing to acknowledge that it won't be 100% reliable.
That's why they want a voter-verified paper ballot as backup.
A system that isn't perfect is OK, 'cos that's reality.
A system that is far from perfect, and is designed to deny verification, is unacceptable.
of someone's life, then it's worth spending some time to harden it in the first place.
Yes, what the guy did was wrong, yes he should be punished, but 3 years for the next best thing to entrapment?
If you reported your car stolen after leaving it unlocked with the engine running and the keys in the ignition in a bad part of town you'd be laughed out of the police station.
Stealing the car is still wrong, but surely you can't expect it not to be stolen under those circumstances. Doesn't that make it entrapment?
Why is it that the IT equivalent of exploiting such gross stupidity is demonized?
You know, the ones that supposedly 'home home' using any available channel in case they're stolen.
:-)
The feature is supposed to be impossible to turn off (for obvious reasons).
How long before someone finds a bug ion one of those? Won't that be fun, a vulnerability you cannot turn off
It looks like you're trying to post something. ...
Would you like me to
Nothing can stop that from 'phoning home'.
But I would guesstimate that Linux is at least 1 year away from solid NTFS support.
... at which time the NTFS 'standard' will mysteriously change.
.DOC support". It's a moving target.
"solid R/W NTFS supprot" is as much of a pipedream as "flawless
... welcom our "descendants of GWB" overlords.
Now... which group is he in again?
Step 2: http://imdb.com/title/tt0103239/
These things say to me that, within a few years, we're going to see some really damn secure stuff coming out of Microsoft.
Adding internet capability does not remove things from the programs it was added to.
Adding "security" usually means loosing features, options, performance, "ease of (ab)use", time-to-market etc. Security is a trade-off.
Also, much of their "security" effort is directed at DRM (which has nothing to do with _MY_ security).
I think they'll get better at security, but at some point they'll "leave well enough alone".
To paraphrase you:
XXX when it works is perfect. XXX when it doesn't is just weird and fucked up.
Yeah, I agree.
Though for me it's usually windows that's being weird, as I'm much more familiar with Linux.
I don't think the computer manufacturers would have signed on in the latter case; they don't want to put all their eggs in one basket by eliminating the general-purpose nature of the PC.
If Microsoft were to push them that way, and given that Windows has > 90% market penetration, that'd be an awfully big, attractive basket for some HW vendors to put their eggs into.
Beta releases typically have more debug in them so they run slower.
Also, a "bare bones" system may not be intended to run more than one major app at a time.
Having said that, these specs to me seem ludicrous for the sort of people (like my nearest and dearest) who have dial-up i/net access and just want to do email and ight web-browsing. Sorta like insisting people buy a hummer to drive to bingo once a week.
You could easily parse the file at your gateway, ...
Unles the file was encrypted, which may not be an unreasonable precaution for something like a financial spreadsheet.
Does Red Hat still patch Red Hat 6?? NO!
Right, but it you _REALLY_ want to, you can download the source and fix it yourself.
If there are enough people like you who want it to work a third party can provide support. How many people WANT to use Win9x because it does everything they need it to and doesn't require a HW upgrade?
With commercial software you don't get that option, support (usually) stops when the vendor says so, not when the customers say so.
*nix admins seem to consider learning windows to be somehow beneath them, ...
I consider it to be a bit pointless 'cos you just have to learnt it all again when the next update comes out....
I didn't think they needed any help...
IDE's are great for getting predictable things done quickly. Once you stray outside what the makers of the IDS predicted you would do they start to work against you.
Some also create truly awful code, the sort of stuff no-one learning a language should ever read lest they pick up some very bad habbits.
So I'd say, teach them both. Emphasise that the IDE nice way to get simple stuff done quickly, but to really LEARN the language they have to use a texteditor and a commandline.
Ultimately I think the latter makes you a better, more productive programmer. Some people don't care about that though, all they want is a simple way to do simple things (this is not meant as an offense, we all only have 24-hours per day and only some of the things that interest us are worthy of some of that time). Fine, teach them the IDE.
I think that if most Windows users just used to use Windows in a safe way (and read the fucking dialog boxes that came up instead of reflexively clicking "OK" to everything)
Any security model that depends on users to this extent WILL NEVER WORK!.
I think that's becuase Microsoft have redefined "operating system" to include anything and everthing short of Microsoft Office and Visual Builder.
freedom encourages all sorts of things, some of them bad.
Live with it, it's better than the alternative.
what I use most on Windows boxes is cygwin and knoppix
60% of the 'consumer' vista is being rewritten, nothing about how much of the consumer one...
Does that meant that the 'corporate' vista will be 60% different?
Does this mean we're back to the good old days of one windows for home (9x) and one for the office (NT)?
... cygwin