So tell me all about this facility that you admin with a few hundred PCs that you just stepped into and over ranked the higher management and started to install Linux on all of their machines?
Fortunately, this just adds to the number of reasons to switch to Linux.:-)
Again, you must not be an admin. It's a job, not a hobby. When the powers that be tell you that they want certain software and that software isn't available on Linux that's the only reason you need not to switch. We serve the customers needs, not our own whims.
Critics cried foul on the principle that users should have absolute control over their machines.... The revelation that Microsoft is pushing yet more installations not explicitly agreed to by administrators is not likely to sit well with this same vocal contingent.
It makes me ask: What kind of administrator is using automatic updates on their machines anyway?
Let's face facts, while Microsoft should take much of the blame on this any admin should know at this point that automatic updates is opening yourself up to all types of undesirable installs.
This is nothing new and it's sad to see "professionals" in the field are still leaving security updates and other installs to go through without even sending a glance it's way first.
Vision isn't going to make everyone stop their hostilities. That's the whole point of what I'm saying. The GP said "And a lot of those problems would go away if we stopped acting like little children". This simply isn't true. There is still going to be plenty of in-fighting and quarrels.
Just look at the Linux crowd; so much cooperation and so many different distro because there are so many with different visions.
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, there will hopefully be a point in time where that it happens but why dwell too much on it today.
And we do have the resources and the intelligence but we certainly don't have the drive. When it comes down to it Mr and Mrs Sixpack are still paying the bills on these types of things and, contrary to what some around here think, there are ears in Washington that do listen. If we can ever get the masses to see the virtue in scientific spending we will develop quickly but in the meantime we need to hope that corporations see some virtue instead because it's really the Sixpacks of the world that are doing the back-peddling.
It's just like the internet. Where would we be today without pr0n and the Exchange servers? Everything that has come about as far as wide spread advancement in this relatively new field was sponsored by the masses being entertained and the needs of corporate types. Scientists made the initial headway but the real motivation to get things moving was brought about with dollar signs not research papers.
Yeah, a lot of what the previous poster has to say reminds me a lot of the fallacy that modern man couldn't build the pyramids...
People would be extremely naive to think that we have come so far but somehow lost the ability to do what we did 40+ years ago. No great knowledge was lost. No ability to produce the materials were lost. Public interest in the space race is what was lost.
We will all either explore space together and get off this tiny planet, or we will all kill each other and our species will die out. I don't know about you, but I know which one I would prefer.
Did you ever think that even if you were willing to "go along with the game plan" that there are plenty of others who'd rather stab you in the back?
It's nice to think that you can throw down your guns and bombs and a great age of reason would swiftly follow but the much more likely scenario is that someone would just hide this gun behind their back and put a bullet in your head while you were working towards some other goal and simply take what was once yours.
We're living in a world where groups of people are willing to kill other people over a god damn cartoon! That should be a sure sign that we're not ready for the Utopian world that was sold to us in Star Trek.
This "generation why" essentially asked the question "Why should we break our backs working long hours away from our families just to have a 9,000 square foot house and a big SUV?", "Why should I learn things that aren't going to make me a better person?", "Why should I work a job that I hate just for a higher salary?", etc.
You know, it's great to think that would be the motivation for these kids ("Will it make me a better person?"/"What about quality time with the family?"). But I don't really think that's what the motivation is. We have a generation of P Diddy and reality TV on our professional fringe that is less about making themselves better people but doing less and just trying to squeeze by.
The ideology you mention just really isn't there. For some, sure, but those are the guys who disappeared after graduation and ran off to be Buddhist monks. The rest are looking for a handout and hoping that they can afford a house and a SUV with a McDonald's paycheck. This is the same kind of mentality that has lead to the big foreclosure crisis the US currently faces. If it weren't for fast, easy credit and these guys needed to put cash down on their goods you'd see a much different attitude.
A Hayes 1200 baud modem was an amazing piece of equipment and cost about $700
I was a Boca Research man myself. I use to get screaming transfer rates on the local BBSs. I held the 1200 baud record for a long time on one of the more prominent systems.
including the ubiquitous and almost mandatory posts from the "right to bear arms" crowd, who somehow manage to interject comments on gun ownership into almost any thread
Yeah, because we don't see enough posts that blindly attack republicans and the current administration*? Talk about putting your political spin on things here.
* Hate the current administration as much as you want but keep it relevant. George Bush is not the reason that you blew your engine in your car nor did he have anything to do with your boss finding out that you spend half of your day on Slashdot.
How is this different from countries oppressing people using US-made and -funded guns?
US guns have also liberated people.
Or do you blame the Soviets every time someone is killed with an AK?
If that's the way you think of it I'd say you're likely an American. It's popular in America today to blame the producer of a tool instead of the user who uses it for destruction and corruption.
Frankly, it's a sickening trend since it diverts attention from the real issue.
What is however interesting is that this technobrega movement severely undermines one of the arguments frequently cited by the RIAA in favour of stricter copyright laws, which is that piracy undermines the ability of the music and film industries to invest in the next generation of local talent by lowering revenues from current sales.
Also from the article:
"This year the multinational record labels will only release about 40 records by Brazilian artists, while tecnobrega artists will release around 400,"
Actually, this doesn't undermine the RIAA position at all. Don't forget that as much as we like to target the RIAA as an entity we're forgetting the man behind the curtain: The record labels.
What the technobrega kids are doing is putting out their own works and hoping for a profit at a show. Labels can't do that. Labels live on the sales of the recordings and for a record company to take a chance on a new artist they're going to need to see sales from an existing artist to have the capitol to make it all happen.
If artists can afford to produce their music and tour without the financial help of others it's a really good deal. We're still not in a time where that is always possible and some artist simple can not fund their own releases while keeping food on the table. That is where the record companies come in.
People are still being very short sighted into seeing why record labels had and to a limited point still have a place in the music industry. There certainly has been a big turn around in the last decade but it's still not perfect.
And knowing that these kids are mixing up their works mostly on PCs, it makes me wonder how much of the software that they're using is pirated. While I don't think the manufacturers of professional music software are hurting too much it still makes me hope that those who are doing well for themselves will take the time to owe up and put some money back into an industry that they're making a buck off of.
If the artist is giving this stuff away is it piracy?
It seems that the issue is getting a bit blurred between the concepts of giving something away and piracy.
I know it's not a popular idea but I still think that an artist should have rights to do what he wants with his creation. If they want to give it away for free to build a good fanbase that's great but that still doesn't dismiss people who are taking something without paying for it if the artist has put a price tag on it. Nor does it justify the downloading of a work even if it is offered freely from one source such as the Radiohead issue.
Windows guys, if you are tired of Mac "fanbois" kicking you in the rear stop issuing us steel-toed boots and bending over with a big target taped to your posterior!
Maybe software lock in is enough for some not to switch to hardware and software lock in? Just a thought.
That's why guys my age sit around playing MAME and not giving a crap about Madden 07. How different could is possibly be from Madden 06?
While I do not completely disagree with you as far as it being easier for a smaller pool of talent to create a game in the past (and I hope that's the reason you got modded up)...
How many of those "guys my age*" are playing the same side scrolling shooters over and over again? IMHO yearly editions to Madden make about as much sense.
There are a lot of good games out there. It's easy to point to a very narrow selection of those games and make a cheap shot.
Being a person with no real love or hate for Linux I don't see Linux being the problem to the adoption of Linux. Most people really don't care about the OS, what they care about is the apps that the OS can run. Linux is kinda stuck here since a lot of the big office productivity and home entertainment vendors are passing them by.
Linux adoption will be proportional to third party software support for Linux. And sorry, no, cheap knockoffs like the GIMP don't really go far in this area. I use it and I like it but I'm not a professional graphics artist. That's the crux of the matter.
You kidding? Do you know the number of people I know who won't download a couple of songs anymore because of the fear of lawsuits? These people are now legal consumers.
Not to mention the potential out-of-court payoffs to be had if the MPAA can bring up charges. 15K is a good investment if they can turn it around.
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What do the users know, we must teach them ;)
It's not a user. It's a customer.
So tell me all about this facility that you admin with a few hundred PCs that you just stepped into and over ranked the higher management and started to install Linux on all of their machines?
Thanks for the information. I didn't read the Register's comments. My bad.
Automatic Updates is the quickest way of deploying patches to a computer, especially if an IT department has to maintain hundreds of those PCs.
:-)
You must not be an admin.
Fortunately, this just adds to the number of reasons to switch to Linux.
Again, you must not be an admin. It's a job, not a hobby. When the powers that be tell you that they want certain software and that software isn't available on Linux that's the only reason you need not to switch. We serve the customers needs, not our own whims.
Critics cried foul on the principle that users should have absolute control over their machines.... The revelation that Microsoft is pushing yet more installations not explicitly agreed to by administrators is not likely to sit well with this same vocal contingent.
It makes me ask: What kind of administrator is using automatic updates on their machines anyway?
Let's face facts, while Microsoft should take much of the blame on this any admin should know at this point that automatic updates is opening yourself up to all types of undesirable installs.
This is nothing new and it's sad to see "professionals" in the field are still leaving security updates and other installs to go through without even sending a glance it's way first.
It has nothing to do with sarcasm when it's modded insightful. I guess you just don't understand the concept.
If you would have RTFA you'd realize that the watch list != no fly list.
So much for reading.
Vision isn't going to make everyone stop their hostilities. That's the whole point of what I'm saying. The GP said "And a lot of those problems would go away if we stopped acting like little children". This simply isn't true. There is still going to be plenty of in-fighting and quarrels.
Just look at the Linux crowd; so much cooperation and so many different distro because there are so many with different visions.
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, there will hopefully be a point in time where that it happens but why dwell too much on it today.
And we do have the resources and the intelligence but we certainly don't have the drive. When it comes down to it Mr and Mrs Sixpack are still paying the bills on these types of things and, contrary to what some around here think, there are ears in Washington that do listen. If we can ever get the masses to see the virtue in scientific spending we will develop quickly but in the meantime we need to hope that corporations see some virtue instead because it's really the Sixpacks of the world that are doing the back-peddling.
It's just like the internet. Where would we be today without pr0n and the Exchange servers? Everything that has come about as far as wide spread advancement in this relatively new field was sponsored by the masses being entertained and the needs of corporate types. Scientists made the initial headway but the real motivation to get things moving was brought about with dollar signs not research papers.
Yeah, a lot of what the previous poster has to say reminds me a lot of the fallacy that modern man couldn't build the pyramids...
People would be extremely naive to think that we have come so far but somehow lost the ability to do what we did 40+ years ago. No great knowledge was lost. No ability to produce the materials were lost. Public interest in the space race is what was lost.
We will all either explore space together and get off this tiny planet, or we will all kill each other and our species will die out. I don't know about you, but I know which one I would prefer.
Did you ever think that even if you were willing to "go along with the game plan" that there are plenty of others who'd rather stab you in the back?
It's nice to think that you can throw down your guns and bombs and a great age of reason would swiftly follow but the much more likely scenario is that someone would just hide this gun behind their back and put a bullet in your head while you were working towards some other goal and simply take what was once yours.
We're living in a world where groups of people are willing to kill other people over a god damn cartoon! That should be a sure sign that we're not ready for the Utopian world that was sold to us in Star Trek.
Yeah, we're falling behind.
China? Yawn...
This "generation why" essentially asked the question "Why should we break our backs working long hours away from our families just to have a 9,000 square foot house and a big SUV?", "Why should I learn things that aren't going to make me a better person?", "Why should I work a job that I hate just for a higher salary?", etc.
You know, it's great to think that would be the motivation for these kids ("Will it make me a better person?"/"What about quality time with the family?"). But I don't really think that's what the motivation is. We have a generation of P Diddy and reality TV on our professional fringe that is less about making themselves better people but doing less and just trying to squeeze by.
The ideology you mention just really isn't there. For some, sure, but those are the guys who disappeared after graduation and ran off to be Buddhist monks. The rest are looking for a handout and hoping that they can afford a house and a SUV with a McDonald's paycheck. This is the same kind of mentality that has lead to the big foreclosure crisis the US currently faces. If it weren't for fast, easy credit and these guys needed to put cash down on their goods you'd see a much different attitude.
A Hayes 1200 baud modem was an amazing piece of equipment and cost about $700
I was a Boca Research man myself. I use to get screaming transfer rates on the local BBSs. I held the 1200 baud record for a long time on one of the more prominent systems.
including the ubiquitous and almost mandatory posts from the "right to bear arms" crowd, who somehow manage to interject comments on gun ownership into almost any thread
Yeah, because we don't see enough posts that blindly attack republicans and the current administration*? Talk about putting your political spin on things here.
* Hate the current administration as much as you want but keep it relevant. George Bush is not the reason that you blew your engine in your car nor did he have anything to do with your boss finding out that you spend half of your day on Slashdot.
How is this different from countries oppressing people using US-made and -funded guns?
US guns have also liberated people.
Or do you blame the Soviets every time someone is killed with an AK?
If that's the way you think of it I'd say you're likely an American. It's popular in America today to blame the producer of a tool instead of the user who uses it for destruction and corruption.
Frankly, it's a sickening trend since it diverts attention from the real issue.
then again, I suppose anyone can push buttons
Go tell that to Klaus Schulze, Jean Michel Jarre or Edgar Froese.
And if it's so easy why aren't you making a living doing it?
What is however interesting is that this technobrega movement severely undermines one of the arguments frequently cited by the RIAA in favour of stricter copyright laws, which is that piracy undermines the ability of the music and film industries to invest in the next generation of local talent by lowering revenues from current sales.
:
Also from the article
"This year the multinational record labels will only release about 40 records by Brazilian artists, while tecnobrega artists will release around 400,"
Actually, this doesn't undermine the RIAA position at all. Don't forget that as much as we like to target the RIAA as an entity we're forgetting the man behind the curtain: The record labels.
What the technobrega kids are doing is putting out their own works and hoping for a profit at a show. Labels can't do that. Labels live on the sales of the recordings and for a record company to take a chance on a new artist they're going to need to see sales from an existing artist to have the capitol to make it all happen.
If artists can afford to produce their music and tour without the financial help of others it's a really good deal. We're still not in a time where that is always possible and some artist simple can not fund their own releases while keeping food on the table. That is where the record companies come in.
People are still being very short sighted into seeing why record labels had and to a limited point still have a place in the music industry. There certainly has been a big turn around in the last decade but it's still not perfect.
And knowing that these kids are mixing up their works mostly on PCs, it makes me wonder how much of the software that they're using is pirated. While I don't think the manufacturers of professional music software are hurting too much it still makes me hope that those who are doing well for themselves will take the time to owe up and put some money back into an industry that they're making a buck off of.
If the artist is giving this stuff away is it piracy?
It seems that the issue is getting a bit blurred between the concepts of giving something away and piracy.
I know it's not a popular idea but I still think that an artist should have rights to do what he wants with his creation. If they want to give it away for free to build a good fanbase that's great but that still doesn't dismiss people who are taking something without paying for it if the artist has put a price tag on it. Nor does it justify the downloading of a work even if it is offered freely from one source such as the Radiohead issue.
Windows guys, if you are tired of Mac "fanbois" kicking you in the rear stop issuing us steel-toed boots and bending over with a big target taped to your posterior!
Maybe software lock in is enough for some not to switch to hardware and software lock in? Just a thought.
BTW: I just wanted to know how old "guys my age" really are? I meant to add this on the prior post but my finger was fast to the submit button.
That's why guys my age sit around playing MAME and not giving a crap about Madden 07. How different could is possibly be from Madden 06?
While I do not completely disagree with you as far as it being easier for a smaller pool of talent to create a game in the past (and I hope that's the reason you got modded up)...
How many of those "guys my age*" are playing the same side scrolling shooters over and over again? IMHO yearly editions to Madden make about as much sense.
There are a lot of good games out there. It's easy to point to a very narrow selection of those games and make a cheap shot.
Being a person with no real love or hate for Linux I don't see Linux being the problem to the adoption of Linux. Most people really don't care about the OS, what they care about is the apps that the OS can run. Linux is kinda stuck here since a lot of the big office productivity and home entertainment vendors are passing them by.
Linux adoption will be proportional to third party software support for Linux. And sorry, no, cheap knockoffs like the GIMP don't really go far in this area. I use it and I like it but I'm not a professional graphics artist. That's the crux of the matter.
Shouldn't that be "Hey Hey Hey!! leave me outta this. !!"?
The sad thing is that "**********" is the name! This was just the crap from one user.
Tomorrow he's going to write about some user named "FatAlb3rt" or something. Those are the really good ones.
You kidding? Do you know the number of people I know who won't download a couple of songs anymore because of the fear of lawsuits? These people are now legal consumers.
Not to mention the potential out-of-court payoffs to be had if the MPAA can bring up charges. 15K is a good investment if they can turn it around.