Thanks for the info. But even at this I still am having a problem getting my head around why people are willing to dish out so much aside from the cool factor. I thought Razors were going to have the cool factor, and they did for about 3 months, now all I hear is stories of regret. I'd hate to see this happen to Apple but I still can't justify the price tag. But for me it's no choice anyway since I have no plans to leave my provider.
With all his blathering of whether it's innovative or not, and whether it's overpriced or not, David Haskins never addresses the question of how good it is for making calls.
My parents have a 20 dollar cellphone that's good for making calls. No one but a fool is going to pay 500 USD for a cellphone just to make calls at this point in time.
People happily buy "overpriced" iPods because they're really good for listening to music.
You're trying to compare this with iPod? Please. iPod does actually offer something for the price. If you're looking for a music player there is reasons for buying an iPod for just it's music. How many people really watch video on their iPods anyway? The average user is going to be stumped as why to pay 500 for an iPhone when their cheap throw away phone does the same thing. It's not like I can go and buy an 80gb music player for 35 bucks, the same can't be said for the iPhone.
But we won't know that until a lot of iPhones are in the flesh-and-blood sweaty greasy hands of a lot of real customers.
Absolutely but let's not be as ridiculous as to say that people are willing to pay 500 usd for a phone just to make calls. At a point in time big money on a cell was justified because there were no cheap cellphones and you actually got something (aside from gadgets) for the extra cash. When I paid 300 usd for my StarTAC it was worth it because of the small form factor of the phone. For it's time that was a big deal. But today? What is iPhone bringing to the table that makes it worth the cost? I can get apps for my phone, it has internet access, it can play MP3, it has a navigation system, it has a camera (which the iPhone won't from what I heard)... touch screen? Is that the big saving grace of the iPhone?
You're missing the point. It's not about people spending 2700 on a monitor, it's more like people spending 2700 on a monitor that is nearly the same as the monitor on their desks that they just bought for 1500. The question of who's willing to buy it at what price is already over. Besides, monitors can be bought without financial penalty. Cellphones are a bit trickier.
I can agree with the article to a point; if you already own a phone how much added value will be with the iPhone to get you to upgrade? Are you willing to switch providers to do it?
Assume the iPhone comes out this fall: I'm a Verizon customer. It's going to cost me just to get out of my contract or if I let it expire I'm still paying a monthly fee for 8 months while I have another provider dipping into my funds. And even if I'm a Cingular customer? Unless I'm out of my contractual obligations I'm going to pay more for the phone, in most likeliness.
Upgrading is going to be a pain and potentially expensive for most people. Maybe it's best not to be in on this one early. And what happens if the thrill dies? What happens if the first gen has problems? The number of people who I know that won't even think about buying a Motorola Razor because of it's issues is pretty high.
iPod had a leg up on an emerging market. Cells aren't that kind of market, they're going to have to be super sweet and fast in the door to get a foothold. Otherwise Apple will have to pump money in just to keep it afloat, ala XBox.
The graphics were bad even by the standards of the day.
You want to see some bad graphics? Come to my pen and paper game.
RPGs don't need to be graphically intense to be good.
I will agree that the were wargames to a point, that's what SSI was always best at. I still don't think many CRPGs are story intensive. Sometimes I'm thankful for it.
I presume it was a RPG, but it was sold as space-combat-trading game.
Elite was a flight/trade simulator. I love the game myself. It's far from an RPG (IMHO) because the entire time I played it I never really felt the need to conduct myself like the captain of a space cruiser. I felt it was a video game with a bit of meat that made it worth playing for hours at a time. Anyway...
This is the problem with this whole subset of games (RPGs that is); little, if any, require any real roleplaying. I like to play "rpgs", both on the PC and pen and paper, but I never really roleplay. I guess it's a very very grey area on what real RPGs would encompass. I guess that stuff like D&D and EQ are more like real RPGs since you're taking on the identity of another to the point that you have to deal with "life" from within their abilities. Elite simply doesn't do this. In EQ or DnD I may be a great fighter even if I'm bound to a wheelchair without the ability to lift my arms more than a few inches, it's just about the roll of the dice, it has nothing to do with my own real world abilities. In Elite it was much different, if you sucked at playing the game you just sucked... you needed to be as good a player IRL as what it came out as on the PC. I guess that may be the first sign of a game being an RPG; that barrier between real life abilities and the ability to work within the game scenario. Anyone has the same chance of rolling a 20 from a disabled guy in the wheelchair to the best athlete to a mathematician. In Elite you had to be a good physical player to reflect a good Captain Jameson.
I don't know, just some of my thoughts on the matter.
I'd like to test the effects of global warming on the production and recreational use of the marijuana plant. I swear to God it will be a scientific study.
Not pointing the blame at any one party but this seems to be the trend around here; misrepresenting the tone of an article to whip up fanbois into a frenzy so that they don't even read the articles but just give a knee-jerk reaction.
One thing that people seem to forget time and again is that you can not judge tomorrow's prices on yesterday's prices. Inflation [unanimocracy.com] has destroyed the US dollar (down 50% in 5 years), so prices double of what we paid 5 years ago can be considered "par" with the fall in value of the dollar.
I bought a 2001 Elantra, I bought a 2005 Elantra. The difference in sticker price was ~100 USD. Are you suggesting that I got my 2005 Elantra at half price since it didn't cost twice as much?
"Given that you can't run your own apps on it, would you buy an iPhone for $500?" 5%
While I appreciate the humor of your "survey" I honestly have to wholeheartedly disagree with it here.
If the baseline of the users willing to buy the iPhone @ 500 USD is 7% I'd say the number unwilling to buy the phone without the ability of installing 3rd party apps is going to be less than 1% over all.
Most people can't install their own apps today on a lot of phones. Aside from some smartphones out there most phones only have the ability to add apps downloaded from their provider or none at all. The only people the third party app question is going sway is the smartphone users and PDA users. I'd like to think that most people who actually own a smartphone and actually use it aren't going to be thrown by the ploy of "it's an apple" while most PDA users simply don't care. At least that's my take on it.
But we will accept a two year contract at double the normal rate, as long as we get the phone for "free".
Excuse me if I'm wrong in my interpretation of this but you're saying if I bought my own cellphone outright that my phone bill will only be half of what it is today? I've never heard of this before.
So they'll do the same thing with the iPhone that they do with every other phone. They'll offer 'em at half the price
Another poster said that Apple expressly forbids the half price deal on the phones. Can anyone clarify this?
So yes, only 1% of those surveyed would pay $500, but in the end, more than 1% of those surveyed will end up with an iPhone.
My personal experience with people is that they're far more likely to say they'll pay for something than are really willing to buy the product.
For me? I won't buy this from what I know of it:
1. I'd have to switch from Verizon. I'm not doing that. 2. No third party apps? I have a PDA with Windows Mobile on it that I can develop my own apps for and there are tons of third party solutions. While it would be nice to have it in the same unit as my phone, I already own it and don't plan on pissing away more money on a "mobile computer solution". 3. It doesn't have the capacity to replace my iPod.
If I didn't already have enough (by my standards) invested in my mobile technologies I'd consider it but even if I didn't I'd be hard pressed to leave Verizon and not have the ability to load 3rd party apps. That's just asking for too much for the "privilege" of owning this phone. While my current phone doesn't have all the gee-whiz features to it that the iPhone has I don't know how many of them I'd ever use in the first place.
Free speech be damned we're talking PATRIOT act here.
Funny. In Pennsylvania we have the same exact thing. And it is called terrorist threats too and was well before 9/11, the Patriot act or the Unibomber.
They're the same exact gimps who ask me why they're getting spyware at home all the time.
Just like a new hire into the IT department; I don't know these people from anyone else. Anyone can claim any amount of knowledge they like but as long as I'm responsible for the systems they're working on I'm not real comfortable letting these people do as they will in the hopes that they really know what they're doing.
Unlike the new hire into the IT department; I have neither the time nor the authority to monitor their activities. I can't go and "slap them upside their head" for doing something stupid and that's if I even notice what they've done before something goes seriously wrong.
The kind of relationship that needs to exist between senior IT members and the people who work with the machines simply can not take place in a real world environment. It's not like I'm slapping the concept of working with these people down but I can't simply take it for granted that they know what they're doing and that they know when to draw the line.
I haven't even bothered to take into account the types out there who are looking to cause trouble... Anyone who works in IT should already have the picture of what I'm talking about when even good intentioned users go astray.
Nor does this mean that everyone who isn't IT should be dismissed as idiots. It's just that I'm responsible for the well being of these systems. Not to be over dramatic but are you going to let strangers watch over your children if their credentials are "I've babysat before"?
Art is required for the dissemination of culture in society?
And hobbies/sports/activities are required so we don't lead a life so mundane that we commit suicide or have a stroke at the age of 30?
And for some people mud bogging is art. If you've never involved yourself in an activity that is outside of the norm that you don't feel has all the beauty and spiritual essence of art without needing to be fed the impression wholesale than I'm afraid you may have been cheated.
As a rule we already penalize inefficient cars, from per cylinder taxes, to luxury taxes and the like. As a whole I think we should move to CFL and LEDs. But there are times where they're not up to par for what's being done.
You're certainly splitting hairs here. It doesn't bode well for your argument. But in any case, you're trying to decide who gets what and when on what is really a fairly artificial criteria. Does your standard also include people who claim that they're not getting to take full advantage of the produced art while they're viewing it at home in various art books? Or how about people who claim they can't read as well in the light of LEDs or CFLs? Should we make them exempt too? That's what I was trying to point to but you obviously either missed the point or had chosen to disregard it. What I'm saying, to try to clarify things further, is at what point are people given legitimacy in the form of an excuse to circumnavigate a law/standard? You claim that artists need better light, other people will claim the same for other activities from production level activities to reading the evening newspaper. I'm saying that these exceptions are, for the most part, bullshit.
Poke fun at the mud bogger all you want; I say it's just as legitimate an excuse as the artist has. Instead of bending the rules for one we should remain consistent in our resolve.
I don't think a ban is the solution, I think education and market forces will work just fine. My house, and my friends homes have all being using CFL for years now despite the lack of any ban in Canada.
I would like to agree but I neither have the power to remove this law from the books nor do I think people are willing to look at this logically. I use them too and I can't see why many don't but hey, if being an artist is a good enough excuse in your mind to be exempt from the law than what logical can be used to sway these people when there is no law in place?
But if they were to put a ban in place, it would have to have exceptions I feel.
As I said, there would have to be exceptions but if artistry is one of them than I can't think of a reason that shouldn't pass as an exemption from the law.
But I think there should be exemptions for people who do artwork and need a cleaner light source.
Yeah, I think people who like to mud bog in a big Ford pickup with a 10 litre engine should be exempt from all mileage and emissions standards too.
What kind of nonsense is this? If we're going to build a standard it should apply to all. Maybe if you can point out a serious medical reason I would agree to a concession but for people who do artwork? Come on. If that's an acceptable excuse to get around environmental measures what won't be considered? I know, maybe you like to think of artistry as high and mighty and mud bogging as the sporting choice of low lifes but it's not your call on what and what isn't a worthy pursuit.
I'm sorry but if you really want to stop this problem in it's tracks than standards are going to have to apply to all. Making concessions is only going to leave us holding the same "ball" further down the road.
I'm not talking about DVD. I'm talking about Blu-Ray. No one is going to shell out $30 extra for a Blu-Ray without expecting to get something back for it.
Probably not but this is only going to open us up to the Hollywood gambit of X-Men V2.342 HD! where they throw in another 12 seconds of footage and re-release it as a new product. What do you really expect to happen to older movies being released to a new format? Remastering is nice to consider and if they have the ability to bring it out in a higher resolution it's worthwhile but for many movies this isn't going to happen. Anyone who lived through the early days of DVD who expects better are fooling themselves. Some of that trash was so badly ported to DVD that you could still see the scratches on the old third generation films they were claiming were of better quality.
Also, it's really not as hard to see that a game is a port if the graphics still look up-to-date for the console. Given the Wii's graphics capabilities, most any recent PS2 game is going to still look really good.
A port's a port. Graphically or otherwise. And to be frank? Yes, most people who buy a new console want better graphics. Maybe you don't feel the same but plenty of others do.
Personally I don't buy consoles and even if I did I probably wouldn't bother myself with something that doesn't offer all that can be offered in a set top box.
And maybe I'm wrong here but I would think that graphics would be the easiest update to porting a game.
it seems to me that any candidate spending any significant effort on campaigning in SL is basically saying "I have no sense of priorities but please vote for me!!!"
But he isn't spending anything on this.
While I'm not supporter of Edwards and frankly think that Second Life is a bore I think this is a no-harm no-foul situation.
Yeah, it's neat to a point but it'll be about as influential as getting the man a billboard spot in Antarctica.
Man, a fantastic first line from a linux "advocate". You still don't understand why people call you guys snobs?
Linux does everything that you need.
Except for make my printer print, run EQ2 or CounterStrike or MS Office applications just to name a few things...
Linux has applications coming out of its ass.
Applications that I don't need because Windows has them as well. You need to offer me more, not excuses.
Cups (the common unix printing system) works with mac osx too... so, I'm basically calling your story.....bullshit!
Never said I was running Mac OS. I fail to see your point.
Last I checked, cups was very plug and play (over the network too), and all gui. Nothing to configure, and more than 4500 of the most popular brands and models of printers were fully supported (I got support for my HP printer from cups, and with direct support --in cups-- from HP!).
It's not an HP. If you, mr. genius, would have taken the pains you'd see clearly that I do mention in the thread that it's an Okidata. I guess reading is just too much for someone of your superiority?
Linux has millions of available applications. The only thing really stopping it is a pervasive campaign put on by microsoft which trys to sway people by paying their marketing people to infect sites (such as slashdot) and try to make it sound like Linux can't
What? Oh come on now. This is the ultimate bullshit. Linux fails because Microsoft commands it to fail? What a bunch of fucking shit. It's loser fanbois like you who give linux a bad name, not microsoft.
What was the exact make and model of your printer again? What was it? Huh? Cat got your tongue?
Again,I did mention it in the thread, but you're such a cool guy I'll let you go through the trouble of reading if you're really that interested.
It's assholes like you that are ruining the n00b linux experience. You start off by simply insulting me instead of asking a simple question? fuck. not to mention that you've already proven you have no real interest in helping me by being so smug.
Fuck, with advocates like you who the fuck needs microsoft? I'm sorry that we don't all come out of the womb knowing everything about linux. with people like you around it certainly helps me take more interest in just going back to a pure windows environment where I can get some help without being browbeaten for not being Mr Linux Wizard.
Really? MS? Is that why there's Mac support for it? Sounds like a mound of bullshit to me.
Anyway... none of that changes the facts, none of that makes my printer work.
And none of that stops the OSS mouthpieces (such as yourself) from developing your own drivers.
You've obviously missed the point of this post and you've only helped for me to see that OSS fanbois are always going to blame everyone else for their lack of hardware and software support.
Oh well, Windows works for me. That's what counts today and that's how I'm going to vote with my dollars until things change.
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Thanks for the info. But even at this I still am having a problem getting my head around why people are willing to dish out so much aside from the cool factor. I thought Razors were going to have the cool factor, and they did for about 3 months, now all I hear is stories of regret. I'd hate to see this happen to Apple but I still can't justify the price tag. But for me it's no choice anyway since I have no plans to leave my provider.
With all his blathering of whether it's innovative or not, and whether it's overpriced or not, David Haskins never addresses the question of how good it is for making calls.
My parents have a 20 dollar cellphone that's good for making calls. No one but a fool is going to pay 500 USD for a cellphone just to make calls at this point in time.
People happily buy "overpriced" iPods because they're really good for listening to music.
You're trying to compare this with iPod? Please. iPod does actually offer something for the price. If you're looking for a music player there is reasons for buying an iPod for just it's music. How many people really watch video on their iPods anyway? The average user is going to be stumped as why to pay 500 for an iPhone when their cheap throw away phone does the same thing. It's not like I can go and buy an 80gb music player for 35 bucks, the same can't be said for the iPhone.
But we won't know that until a lot of iPhones are in the flesh-and-blood sweaty greasy hands of a lot of real customers.
Absolutely but let's not be as ridiculous as to say that people are willing to pay 500 usd for a phone just to make calls. At a point in time big money on a cell was justified because there were no cheap cellphones and you actually got something (aside from gadgets) for the extra cash. When I paid 300 usd for my StarTAC it was worth it because of the small form factor of the phone. For it's time that was a big deal. But today? What is iPhone bringing to the table that makes it worth the cost? I can get apps for my phone, it has internet access, it can play MP3, it has a navigation system, it has a camera (which the iPhone won't from what I heard)... touch screen? Is that the big saving grace of the iPhone?
You're missing the point. It's not about people spending 2700 on a monitor, it's more like people spending 2700 on a monitor that is nearly the same as the monitor on their desks that they just bought for 1500. The question of who's willing to buy it at what price is already over. Besides, monitors can be bought without financial penalty. Cellphones are a bit trickier.
I can agree with the article to a point; if you already own a phone how much added value will be with the iPhone to get you to upgrade? Are you willing to switch providers to do it?
Assume the iPhone comes out this fall: I'm a Verizon customer. It's going to cost me just to get out of my contract or if I let it expire I'm still paying a monthly fee for 8 months while I have another provider dipping into my funds. And even if I'm a Cingular customer? Unless I'm out of my contractual obligations I'm going to pay more for the phone, in most likeliness.
Upgrading is going to be a pain and potentially expensive for most people. Maybe it's best not to be in on this one early. And what happens if the thrill dies? What happens if the first gen has problems? The number of people who I know that won't even think about buying a Motorola Razor because of it's issues is pretty high.
iPod had a leg up on an emerging market. Cells aren't that kind of market, they're going to have to be super sweet and fast in the door to get a foothold. Otherwise Apple will have to pump money in just to keep it afloat, ala XBox.
The graphics were bad even by the standards of the day.
You want to see some bad graphics? Come to my pen and paper game.
RPGs don't need to be graphically intense to be good.
I will agree that the were wargames to a point, that's what SSI was always best at. I still don't think many CRPGs are story intensive. Sometimes I'm thankful for it.
I presume it was a RPG, but it was sold as space-combat-trading game.
Elite was a flight/trade simulator. I love the game myself. It's far from an RPG (IMHO) because the entire time I played it I never really felt the need to conduct myself like the captain of a space cruiser. I felt it was a video game with a bit of meat that made it worth playing for hours at a time. Anyway...
This is the problem with this whole subset of games (RPGs that is); little, if any, require any real roleplaying. I like to play "rpgs", both on the PC and pen and paper, but I never really roleplay. I guess it's a very very grey area on what real RPGs would encompass. I guess that stuff like D&D and EQ are more like real RPGs since you're taking on the identity of another to the point that you have to deal with "life" from within their abilities. Elite simply doesn't do this. In EQ or DnD I may be a great fighter even if I'm bound to a wheelchair without the ability to lift my arms more than a few inches, it's just about the roll of the dice, it has nothing to do with my own real world abilities. In Elite it was much different, if you sucked at playing the game you just sucked... you needed to be as good a player IRL as what it came out as on the PC. I guess that may be the first sign of a game being an RPG; that barrier between real life abilities and the ability to work within the game scenario. Anyone has the same chance of rolling a 20 from a disabled guy in the wheelchair to the best athlete to a mathematician. In Elite you had to be a good physical player to reflect a good Captain Jameson.
I don't know, just some of my thoughts on the matter.
sorry for being long winded.
I'd like to test the effects of global warming on the production and recreational use of the marijuana plant. I swear to God it will be a scientific study.
In other words, this headline is blatantly false.
Welcome to Slashdot.
Not pointing the blame at any one party but this seems to be the trend around here; misrepresenting the tone of an article to whip up fanbois into a frenzy so that they don't even read the articles but just give a knee-jerk reaction.
One thing that people seem to forget time and again is that you can not judge tomorrow's prices on yesterday's prices. Inflation [unanimocracy.com] has destroyed the US dollar (down 50% in 5 years), so prices double of what we paid 5 years ago can be considered "par" with the fall in value of the dollar.
I bought a 2001 Elantra, I bought a 2005 Elantra. The difference in sticker price was ~100 USD. Are you suggesting that I got my 2005 Elantra at half price since it didn't cost twice as much?
"Given that you can't run your own apps on it, would you buy an iPhone for $500?" 5%
While I appreciate the humor of your "survey" I honestly have to wholeheartedly disagree with it here.
If the baseline of the users willing to buy the iPhone @ 500 USD is 7% I'd say the number unwilling to buy the phone without the ability of installing 3rd party apps is going to be less than 1% over all.
Most people can't install their own apps today on a lot of phones. Aside from some smartphones out there most phones only have the ability to add apps downloaded from their provider or none at all. The only people the third party app question is going sway is the smartphone users and PDA users. I'd like to think that most people who actually own a smartphone and actually use it aren't going to be thrown by the ploy of "it's an apple" while most PDA users simply don't care. At least that's my take on it.
But we will accept a two year contract at double the normal rate, as long as we get the phone for "free".
Excuse me if I'm wrong in my interpretation of this but you're saying if I bought my own cellphone outright that my phone bill will only be half of what it is today? I've never heard of this before.
So they'll do the same thing with the iPhone that they do with every other phone. They'll offer 'em at half the price
Another poster said that Apple expressly forbids the half price deal on the phones. Can anyone clarify this?
So yes, only 1% of those surveyed would pay $500, but in the end, more than 1% of those surveyed will end up with an iPhone.
My personal experience with people is that they're far more likely to say they'll pay for something than are really willing to buy the product.
For me? I won't buy this from what I know of it:
1. I'd have to switch from Verizon. I'm not doing that.
2. No third party apps? I have a PDA with Windows Mobile on it that I can develop my own apps for and there are tons of third party solutions. While it would be nice to have it in the same unit as my phone, I already own it and don't plan on pissing away more money on a "mobile computer solution".
3. It doesn't have the capacity to replace my iPod.
If I didn't already have enough (by my standards) invested in my mobile technologies I'd consider it but even if I didn't I'd be hard pressed to leave Verizon and not have the ability to load 3rd party apps. That's just asking for too much for the "privilege" of owning this phone. While my current phone doesn't have all the gee-whiz features to it that the iPhone has I don't know how many of them I'd ever use in the first place.
In Pennsylvania we have the same exact thing. And it is called terrorist threats too and was well before 9/11, the Patriot act or the Unibomber.
Sorry, that should be "terroristic threats". I wanted to correct myself before someone jumped up and down on my ass.
Free speech be damned we're talking PATRIOT act here.
Funny. In Pennsylvania we have the same exact thing. And it is called terrorist threats too and was well before 9/11, the Patriot act or the Unibomber.
They're the same exact gimps who ask me why they're getting spyware at home all the time.
Just like a new hire into the IT department; I don't know these people from anyone else. Anyone can claim any amount of knowledge they like but as long as I'm responsible for the systems they're working on I'm not real comfortable letting these people do as they will in the hopes that they really know what they're doing.
Unlike the new hire into the IT department; I have neither the time nor the authority to monitor their activities. I can't go and "slap them upside their head" for doing something stupid and that's if I even notice what they've done before something goes seriously wrong.
The kind of relationship that needs to exist between senior IT members and the people who work with the machines simply can not take place in a real world environment. It's not like I'm slapping the concept of working with these people down but I can't simply take it for granted that they know what they're doing and that they know when to draw the line.
I haven't even bothered to take into account the types out there who are looking to cause trouble... Anyone who works in IT should already have the picture of what I'm talking about when even good intentioned users go astray.
Nor does this mean that everyone who isn't IT should be dismissed as idiots. It's just that I'm responsible for the well being of these systems. Not to be over dramatic but are you going to let strangers watch over your children if their credentials are "I've babysat before"?
Art is required for the dissemination of culture in society?
And hobbies/sports/activities are required so we don't lead a life so mundane that we commit suicide or have a stroke at the age of 30?
And for some people mud bogging is art. If you've never involved yourself in an activity that is outside of the norm that you don't feel has all the beauty and spiritual essence of art without needing to be fed the impression wholesale than I'm afraid you may have been cheated.
As a rule we already penalize inefficient cars, from per cylinder taxes, to luxury taxes and the like. As a whole I think we should move to CFL and LEDs. But there are times where they're not up to par for what's being done.
You're certainly splitting hairs here. It doesn't bode well for your argument. But in any case, you're trying to decide who gets what and when on what is really a fairly artificial criteria. Does your standard also include people who claim that they're not getting to take full advantage of the produced art while they're viewing it at home in various art books? Or how about people who claim they can't read as well in the light of LEDs or CFLs? Should we make them exempt too? That's what I was trying to point to but you obviously either missed the point or had chosen to disregard it. What I'm saying, to try to clarify things further, is at what point are people given legitimacy in the form of an excuse to circumnavigate a law/standard? You claim that artists need better light, other people will claim the same for other activities from production level activities to reading the evening newspaper. I'm saying that these exceptions are, for the most part, bullshit.
Poke fun at the mud bogger all you want; I say it's just as legitimate an excuse as the artist has. Instead of bending the rules for one we should remain consistent in our resolve.
I don't think a ban is the solution, I think education and market forces will work just fine. My house, and my friends homes have all being using CFL for years now despite the lack of any ban in Canada.
I would like to agree but I neither have the power to remove this law from the books nor do I think people are willing to look at this logically. I use them too and I can't see why many don't but hey, if being an artist is a good enough excuse in your mind to be exempt from the law than what logical can be used to sway these people when there is no law in place?
But if they were to put a ban in place, it would have to have exceptions I feel.
As I said, there would have to be exceptions but if artistry is one of them than I can't think of a reason that shouldn't pass as an exemption from the law.
But I think there should be exemptions for people who do artwork and need a cleaner light source.
Yeah, I think people who like to mud bog in a big Ford pickup with a 10 litre engine should be exempt from all mileage and emissions standards too.
What kind of nonsense is this? If we're going to build a standard it should apply to all. Maybe if you can point out a serious medical reason I would agree to a concession but for people who do artwork? Come on. If that's an acceptable excuse to get around environmental measures what won't be considered? I know, maybe you like to think of artistry as high and mighty and mud bogging as the sporting choice of low lifes but it's not your call on what and what isn't a worthy pursuit.
I'm sorry but if you really want to stop this problem in it's tracks than standards are going to have to apply to all. Making concessions is only going to leave us holding the same "ball" further down the road.
isn't it possible to want both? you're acting like both can't exist at the same time.
I'm not talking about DVD. I'm talking about Blu-Ray. No one is going to shell out $30 extra for a Blu-Ray without expecting to get something back for it.
Probably not but this is only going to open us up to the Hollywood gambit of X-Men V2.342 HD! where they throw in another 12 seconds of footage and re-release it as a new product. What do you really expect to happen to older movies being released to a new format? Remastering is nice to consider and if they have the ability to bring it out in a higher resolution it's worthwhile but for many movies this isn't going to happen. Anyone who lived through the early days of DVD who expects better are fooling themselves. Some of that trash was so badly ported to DVD that you could still see the scratches on the old third generation films they were claiming were of better quality.
Also, it's really not as hard to see that a game is a port if the graphics still look up-to-date for the console. Given the Wii's graphics capabilities, most any recent PS2 game is going to still look really good.
I can agree to that.
A port's a port. Graphically or otherwise. And to be frank? Yes, most people who buy a new console want better graphics. Maybe you don't feel the same but plenty of others do.
Personally I don't buy consoles and even if I did I probably wouldn't bother myself with something that doesn't offer all that can be offered in a set top box.
And maybe I'm wrong here but I would think that graphics would be the easiest update to porting a game.
It's much easier to see that a game is just a port of an older version. People expect this of films.
When someone buys a new gaming system they want to be dazzled, when someone buys the DVD of Casablanca they already accept what they're getting.
BTW Fucktard, where the fuck do you see this as being a postscript printer? It's certainly not in OkiData's own specs
So I call "bollocks" on your research.
Who the fuck is the twat now?
it seems to me that any candidate spending any significant effort on campaigning in SL is basically saying "I have no sense of priorities but please vote for me!!!"
But he isn't spending anything on this.
While I'm not supporter of Edwards and frankly think that Second Life is a bore I think this is a no-harm no-foul situation.
Yeah, it's neat to a point but it'll be about as influential as getting the man a billboard spot in Antarctica.
PS the reason why you get the vitriol from some people is your namecalling: "zealots like you" and that you're a twat.
Uh, no. I never called anyone a zealot until I was called an idiot. So fuck off, hard.
I'll leave you guys to your Linux. Thanks for the "help".
What kind of idiot are you?
.....bullshit!
Man, a fantastic first line from a linux "advocate". You still don't understand why people call you guys snobs?
Linux does everything that you need.
Except for make my printer print, run EQ2 or CounterStrike or MS Office applications just to name a few things...
Linux has applications coming out of its ass.
Applications that I don't need because Windows has them as well. You need to offer me more, not excuses.
Cups (the common unix printing system) works with mac osx too... so, I'm basically calling your story
Never said I was running Mac OS. I fail to see your point.
Last I checked, cups was very plug and play (over the network too), and all gui. Nothing to configure, and more than 4500 of the most popular brands and models of printers were fully supported (I got support for my HP printer from cups, and with direct support --in cups-- from HP!).
It's not an HP. If you, mr. genius, would have taken the pains you'd see clearly that I do mention in the thread that it's an Okidata. I guess reading is just too much for someone of your superiority?
Linux has millions of available applications. The only thing really stopping it is a pervasive campaign put on by microsoft which trys to sway people by paying their marketing people to infect sites (such as slashdot) and try to make it sound like Linux can't
What? Oh come on now. This is the ultimate bullshit. Linux fails because Microsoft commands it to fail? What a bunch of fucking shit. It's loser fanbois like you who give linux a bad name, not microsoft.
What was the exact make and model of your printer again? What was it? Huh? Cat got your tongue?
Again,I did mention it in the thread, but you're such a cool guy I'll let you go through the trouble of reading if you're really that interested.
It's assholes like you that are ruining the n00b linux experience. You start off by simply insulting me instead of asking a simple question? fuck. not to mention that you've already proven you have no real interest in helping me by being so smug.
Fuck, with advocates like you who the fuck needs microsoft? I'm sorry that we don't all come out of the womb knowing everything about linux. with people like you around it certainly helps me take more interest in just going back to a pure windows environment where I can get some help without being browbeaten for not being Mr Linux Wizard.
Again, you're more of the problem than microsoft.
Really? MS? Is that why there's Mac support for it? Sounds like a mound of bullshit to me.
Anyway... none of that changes the facts, none of that makes my printer work.
And none of that stops the OSS mouthpieces (such as yourself) from developing your own drivers.
You've obviously missed the point of this post and you've only helped for me to see that OSS fanbois are always going to blame everyone else for their lack of hardware and software support.
Oh well, Windows works for me. That's what counts today and that's how I'm going to vote with my dollars until things change.
Actually, I must apologize, it's a C5200n. I misspoke.
Aside from that you must admit that if you goto Linux Printing's Okidata list there are a fair number of OD printers with no Linux support.
And yes, I googled and had done other research with no luck.