Your argument is actually PROVING that punishment of crimes deters crimes. "No sane person could look at the risk to reward ratio of armed robbery and conclude that it's a worthwhile endeavor".
That is the entire logic, and we then HOPE that the majority of society is indeed sane and we got the police for the rest.
To prove that punishment deters YOU, let me put this to you:
If for holding up a convenience store with a gun there was NO punishment whatsoever, would you do it? If you really needed the money?
It don't really matter because we know this is what happens, laws that are not enforced are broken all to often. I bet we wouldn't get as many drunk drivers if the penalty was the chair (well not as many repeat offenders in any case).
If ever you stopped doing something you wanted to do/thought about doing because it is against the law, then you are the living proof that punishment deters crime. Just not in the insane and those incapable of making logical choices. For them we have the actual jails.
As for your last point, you can pardon someone after 50 years in jail. You can't 1 second after the lethal injection.
If you READ the article you would know that he DID use twitter, to get even MORE people to come, RATHER then telling them to go away and/or not come anymore.
I am afraid that there is a clear case here. The police had asked that the event be cancelled and had asked for a message to be sent on the same channel that people had been invited, that people be told to leave or not come in the first place.
If a radio station was to announce an event on the radio asking for visitors to said radio station, then to many people show up and for everyones safety the event needs to be cancelled so fewer people will be there, is it unreasonable to ask the station to sent the message over the radio? No, that has been done and almost everyone would cooperate with such a request. Only a true asshole would FOR A PUBLICITY event, not cooperate with the police when things got out of control.
This was NOT a protest march, not a political rally or anything of the sort. For commercial gains someone endangered public safety and refused to help the police with trying to bring the situation under control.
Liberatarian nutcases on/. may scream bloody murder over this, but those of us with a brain can see what is going on because we can actually read articles before our brain shutsdown at the mere mention of the police.
Nah, the only decent americans are not over this time of year. Come may-june, you see them in europe. The rest of the year you get their children and grand-children. You can keep them.
Not all planes are passenger planes. This plane would be perfect for unmanned or long range observation. Carrying all your fuel aboard becomes incredibly expensive the longer your range has to be. This plane solves that by refueling constantly while inflight.
How about the evil people who use evil insurance companies? They want to the lowest cost, and how do they think that is achieved? By the company just taking peoples word for it?
This example is a woman who went for a cheap insurer, then found out that they are cheap because they hate to pay out.
Oh and why does everyone assume this woman is telling the truth? Where is the medical re-diagnosis to prove she is still suffering from depression? last time I checked, that would have been the first thing to do. She didn't. Doesn't that tell you a lot?
Newsflash! People have been known to scam insurance companies.
Cancer is a "simple" disease, not a mental condition. Why do you link the two?
Insurance agents ARE often experts in the field they insure. How else would they do their job? Car insurers know a LOT about cars, that is what they do. They collect as much data as they can and then determine what premium to charge so they can still make a profit by insuring against risks. And one part of it is knowing when a claim is bogus. Don't try to claim seagulls ruined the paint job on your car, in the mountains. Do not claim damage from hail unless you are certain hail did indeed fell in your parking spot, because they DO know. It is their job.
Depression is a very difficult mental diagnosis and people have been known to lie. This woman did NOT just go to ONE special event, but several, in a short time frame. When does depression end and just feeling blue start? When do YOU pay more for your insurance to cover someone else? Oh, that is right. YOU are paying for this woman and the moment YOUR premium goes up, you are crying the company check more carefully.
I could easily create an insurance company that is very nice and kind and considerate, you would also pay through the nose to be insured by it. Want to bet that you don't, that you go for the cheapest possible? Well, then this is how they do it, by investigating claims.
No doubt this will go to court. Sometimes insurance companies get it very wrong, but then, they have calculated the risks of that too and they seem to think that they have the edge here. Nothing I have seen so far convinces me they are wrong. All we got is two stories, why do you automatically presume this woman isn't running a scam?
When Steve Ballmer dismisses Apple it is really like a kid who pulls the cover over his head and repeats over and over "there are no monsters under the bed, there are no monsters under the bed".
Yeah, we know this in holland. Vodafone had a major screw up and was out of service for more then a day and a half.
Light rail service used their GSM network for communication rather then those obsolete radio systems everyone else uses. Result: fewer trams because it wasn't safe to drive a full service.
Please, tell me again how regular radio which just fucking works is obsolete?
Oh, and there has NEVER been a disaster big enough to wipe out ALL landline services, completly.
I am looking for the perfect netbook, and surely someone on slashdot knows where to find it?
Touchscreen, size SSD, HD's don't survive long on a moving train and are slow as hell anyway.
3G internal modem. (Wifi is just not available in enough places)
More then 1G of memory.
Dual core (atom speed is fine, dual really helps with responsiveness)
Large battery (9 cell)
Ideally: bluetooth internal. 1-2 interal USB slots (so that a stick or whatever doesn't have to stick out)
Tablet option:
Video output from thin cable, not the old d-sub thank you very much.
Anyone know a netbook like this? I need something that works on the move and can stand a bit of a beating. I am not suprised they fail more often, my Aspire one ZG5 gets an amount of abuse that I would never dare with a laptop.
Are the locks on your porsche designed to lock YOU the owner out? If you remove the ignition lock, will Porsche deny you access to the road or indeed refuse to service the rest of the car?
But why I am talking to you, Bill Gates is here and I see you have already assumed to position. Have fun.
MS is VERY good at finding security flaws, in everyone else's products. It is their own products they completely overlook.
And this story once again proves that MS could improve its public image instantly with one simple statement. SILENCE. MS, really, hire a lawyer as your public relations advisor. A good lawyer who always tells his clients to "SHUT THE FUCK UP".
I had just about forgotten about all the bugs in MS software... and this made me remember the entire long list of highly exploitable bugs unpatched for months or even years. Great job.
Facebook's Joe Hewitt, Second Gear's Justin Williams, and long-time Mac software developer Rogue Amoeba have all recently decided that enough is enough, and the loss of these [two?]developers and others [what others]
What a load of weasel language. ALL should really be both, and "these" should really clarify that "these" is only two. And where are the others?
There are 100.000 apps out there. Now call me silly but while there are a lot of possible programs I think that it is safe to conclude there won't be many CAD applications or ACID databases among them, the rules of the app store and the limitations of the iPhone hardware limit what is available. So a lot of it is meaningless drivel that nobody will miss.
And this respected developer mentioned in both story links? Did a facebook app. ONE facebook app... OMG NOSERS!!1!!!! How will they EVER find anyone else to write something like that!
Sorry, everyone knows that Apple likes total and complete control, people knew this when they signed up for it and they were happy to take the dollars that came with it. Why should Apple change?
Don't get me wrong, I think the one good thing about Bill Gates/Steve Ballmer is that at least they are not Steve Jobs or IT would REALLY be screwed but what is the issue her? What next, companies complaining that they can't add nudity to a 360 game? Then don't develop for a closed format with a megalomaniac calling the shots. Either you support open formats OR you accept that you WILL be fucked up the ass, no lube and bite your tongue.
Look at the damage done to buildings in terrorist attacks, the bomb is usually outside and blows the shell of the building in while the structure itself often survives.
With the wallpaper, the outside shell would remain together, no shrapnel blasting in or collapsing on people. Outside walls in big buildings rarely carry a structural load.
So this isn't meant to keep your house up against an earthquake or something, it really is what it says it is, supposed to stop the wall from collapsing from a bomb blast. NOT to keep it intact as a load bearing structure, but to keep it from doing damage to people inside.
Why is it that guys like you claim the whole counter-terrorism thing is a way for the goverment to scare people, when you scare yourself far better? Watch out, I can track your/. account and tell when you are on holiday.
That show has some REALLY bad science in it at times. For instance, one episode discussed the "myth" (rather old wives saying) that with breakfast cereal (the american kind) the cardboard box it comes in contains more NUTRITION then the cereal itself.
The amazing mythbusters then went on to determine the CALORIE/ENERGY and FAT contents of both products. Do Americans REALLY need more CALORIES or FAT in their diets? Not once did they test EITHER of the products for NUTRITIONAL values, as in minerals/vitamins etc. They proved that sugar coated grain gives you energy. No shit sherlock. Your MOTHER is talking about nutrition as you find it in fresh vegetables, and fruit. Not a sugar cube or lump of butter.
And yet many here at slashdot consider mythbusters as valid science and often quote their results to prove how silly a myth is.
I seen another show where helicopters were discussed and the claim was made that helicopters do not have ejection seats. Correct. US helicopters do not, SOVIET helicopters did. How many believe a lie because they thought a documentary was a documentary?
The truth, the real absolute, total and complete truth is not good entertainment and does not fit in a soundbite or between commercial blocks.
And the truth is hard to understand because you need to understand an lot of complex subjects that you actually need to spend some time thinking about.
What IS the mayan calendar and why is 2012 significant and as mentioned in the article is that different then 31st december 2009? If you don't understand WHAT a date really is, how time is tracked, then you COULD think 31st december 9999 would be an ending (which is rougly what 2012 is to the mayans). Silly if you TRULY understand calendars, numbers and such but many don't.
For many people, magical thinking fills in the gaps between their understanding of the world and a LOT of us do it. Come one, be honest how much of your understanding of gravity is a rubber sheet with a weight on it? There is no rubber sheet, that is magical thinking to help your limited intelligence deal with the concepts thought up by truly brilliant people.
So, don't be to condescending, you are no Einstein.
Our world is filled with half lies to explain things away because explaining everything to everyone would explode the education system and not help getting the bloody toilets cleaned and garbage collected and even peoples wounds dressed.
A simple story: In africa there used to be a believe that if you used a cooking stick twice, evil demons would posses it. White missionaries said this was silly superstition and forbid this practice. people soon dropped dead. Why? The evil spirit called food poisoning. This is LESS of an issue in colder climates like europe, but in the hot african sun food spoils far more rapidly.Oh, the story might not be true, but the gist of it is that sometimes "magical thinking" fills a gap between knowing that something is true and knowing the reason behind it.
But we humans ain't perfect and we all can't spent all our time reading books. These people heard something, didn't understand it and nobody is willing to clearly explain it and then there are stations like Fox that even add to the fear mongering for their own gains. Hell even Discovery and National Geographic are happy to host a "lets scare people" show to get ratings. How are people to know the full truth when the lies are sold so much better?
I think what NASA is doing is the right thing, but they should do it more clearly and get someone like Carl Sagan, someone who can talk plain english to explain it on tv on popular chat shows. SHOW people. Don't hide in the ivory tower sneering down, come out with the science. People LOVE science, but you need to open up to them, not by talking down to them, but by starting easy and then pulling them up. Why do you Einstein is such a celebrity? Because HE could do that. Few can. Certainly not most people here.
It was PROVEN that were you to emerge from a tunnel at a speed of greater then 30 miles an hour, the air blast would kill you. How hard do you drive?
Lots of things were impossible, before someone did them.
No, I don't see how someone's frozen head could be revived but think this. HOW many of you think it is possible to create an animal from a cell?
Yet the idea in Jurassic Park is not nearly as far fetched anymore is it? Used to be that dinosaurs came back in movie land because someone found some eggs that magically survived a million years. Suddenly a drop of blood will do.
And in fact, we might not even need that. Don't our genes contain the obsolete code from animals we were in the past? You could breed a toothed chicken.
No, I don't think that sticking your head in liquid nitrogen will work, but saying that the idea of cryogenics is impossible... that to me is ignoring that this has been said about way to many things. The impossible is only impossible until it becomes possible, after that everyone says "oh I could have thought of that". But you didn't because you thought it was impossible.
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Your argument is actually PROVING that punishment of crimes deters crimes. "No sane person could look at the risk to reward ratio of armed robbery and conclude that it's a worthwhile endeavor".
That is the entire logic, and we then HOPE that the majority of society is indeed sane and we got the police for the rest.
To prove that punishment deters YOU, let me put this to you:
If for holding up a convenience store with a gun there was NO punishment whatsoever, would you do it? If you really needed the money?
It don't really matter because we know this is what happens, laws that are not enforced are broken all to often. I bet we wouldn't get as many drunk drivers if the penalty was the chair (well not as many repeat offenders in any case).
If ever you stopped doing something you wanted to do/thought about doing because it is against the law, then you are the living proof that punishment deters crime. Just not in the insane and those incapable of making logical choices. For them we have the actual jails.
As for your last point, you can pardon someone after 50 years in jail. You can't 1 second after the lethal injection.
Putting toilet paper in a toilet is obviously nor vandalism. Putting an entire rol in at once, is.
This isn't that hard to understand is it? The law doesn't fall for such childish wordplay games. Grow up and join the real world.
If you READ the article you would know that he DID use twitter, to get even MORE people to come, RATHER then telling them to go away and/or not come anymore.
I am afraid that there is a clear case here. The police had asked that the event be cancelled and had asked for a message to be sent on the same channel that people had been invited, that people be told to leave or not come in the first place.
If a radio station was to announce an event on the radio asking for visitors to said radio station, then to many people show up and for everyones safety the event needs to be cancelled so fewer people will be there, is it unreasonable to ask the station to sent the message over the radio? No, that has been done and almost everyone would cooperate with such a request. Only a true asshole would FOR A PUBLICITY event, not cooperate with the police when things got out of control.
This was NOT a protest march, not a political rally or anything of the sort. For commercial gains someone endangered public safety and refused to help the police with trying to bring the situation under control.
Liberatarian nutcases on /. may scream bloody murder over this, but those of us with a brain can see what is going on because we can actually read articles before our brain shutsdown at the mere mention of the police.
It will weight a 800 pounds and have service where ever it bloody well pleases to have service.
Nah, the only decent americans are not over this time of year. Come may-june, you see them in europe. The rest of the year you get their children and grand-children. You can keep them.
This guy isn't insightful, he is a twit.
Not all planes are passenger planes. This plane would be perfect for unmanned or long range observation. Carrying all your fuel aboard becomes incredibly expensive the longer your range has to be. This plane solves that by refueling constantly while inflight.
Insightful? No, short-sighted, yes.
Your is the size of a normal passenger carrying helicopter, theirs is the size of a model plane.
Somehow I think your thingy requires a LOT more in terms of support then theirs.
Theirs can be carried by a field unit, yours needs a support base.
Why can't you spot this simple thing by the fact yours comes on the back of a large truck while theirs is carried by hand?
How about the evil people who use evil insurance companies? They want to the lowest cost, and how do they think that is achieved? By the company just taking peoples word for it?
This example is a woman who went for a cheap insurer, then found out that they are cheap because they hate to pay out.
Oh and why does everyone assume this woman is telling the truth? Where is the medical re-diagnosis to prove she is still suffering from depression? last time I checked, that would have been the first thing to do. She didn't. Doesn't that tell you a lot?
Newsflash! People have been known to scam insurance companies.
Cancer is a "simple" disease, not a mental condition. Why do you link the two?
Insurance agents ARE often experts in the field they insure. How else would they do their job? Car insurers know a LOT about cars, that is what they do. They collect as much data as they can and then determine what premium to charge so they can still make a profit by insuring against risks. And one part of it is knowing when a claim is bogus. Don't try to claim seagulls ruined the paint job on your car, in the mountains. Do not claim damage from hail unless you are certain hail did indeed fell in your parking spot, because they DO know. It is their job.
Depression is a very difficult mental diagnosis and people have been known to lie. This woman did NOT just go to ONE special event, but several, in a short time frame. When does depression end and just feeling blue start? When do YOU pay more for your insurance to cover someone else? Oh, that is right. YOU are paying for this woman and the moment YOUR premium goes up, you are crying the company check more carefully.
I could easily create an insurance company that is very nice and kind and considerate, you would also pay through the nose to be insured by it. Want to bet that you don't, that you go for the cheapest possible? Well, then this is how they do it, by investigating claims.
No doubt this will go to court. Sometimes insurance companies get it very wrong, but then, they have calculated the risks of that too and they seem to think that they have the edge here. Nothing I have seen so far convinces me they are wrong. All we got is two stories, why do you automatically presume this woman isn't running a scam?
When Steve Ballmer dismisses Apple it is really like a kid who pulls the cover over his head and repeats over and over "there are no monsters under the bed, there are no monsters under the bed".
And he is right. Steve Jobs is in the closet.
Yeah, we know this in holland. Vodafone had a major screw up and was out of service for more then a day and a half.
Light rail service used their GSM network for communication rather then those obsolete radio systems everyone else uses. Result: fewer trams because it wasn't safe to drive a full service.
Please, tell me again how regular radio which just fucking works is obsolete?
Oh, and there has NEVER been a disaster big enough to wipe out ALL landline services, completly.
geez, you might have reminded him of the babage machine.
I am looking for the perfect netbook, and surely someone on slashdot knows where to find it?
Touchscreen, size SSD, HD's don't survive long on a moving train and are slow as hell anyway.
3G internal modem. (Wifi is just not available in enough places)
More then 1G of memory.
Dual core (atom speed is fine, dual really helps with responsiveness)
Large battery (9 cell)
Ideally: bluetooth internal. 1-2 interal USB slots (so that a stick or whatever doesn't have to stick out)
Tablet option:
Video output from thin cable, not the old d-sub thank you very much.
Anyone know a netbook like this? I need something that works on the move and can stand a bit of a beating. I am not suprised they fail more often, my Aspire one ZG5 gets an amount of abuse that I would never dare with a laptop.
Are the locks on your porsche designed to lock YOU the owner out? If you remove the ignition lock, will Porsche deny you access to the road or indeed refuse to service the rest of the car?
But why I am talking to you, Bill Gates is here and I see you have already assumed to position. Have fun.
MS is VERY good at finding security flaws, in everyone else's products. It is their own products they completely overlook.
And this story once again proves that MS could improve its public image instantly with one simple statement. SILENCE. MS, really, hire a lawyer as your public relations advisor. A good lawyer who always tells his clients to "SHUT THE FUCK UP".
I had just about forgotten about all the bugs in MS software... and this made me remember the entire long list of highly exploitable bugs unpatched for months or even years. Great job.
Is it my fault that all the greats are either dead or off the air (same thing)?
Sign of growing old, everyone you grew up with as idols is dead or senile.
Read the following sentences VERY carefully:
Facebook's Joe Hewitt, Second Gear's Justin Williams, and long-time Mac software developer Rogue Amoeba have all recently decided that enough is enough, and the loss of these [two?]developers and others [what others]
What a load of weasel language. ALL should really be both, and "these" should really clarify that "these" is only two. And where are the others?
There are 100.000 apps out there. Now call me silly but while there are a lot of possible programs I think that it is safe to conclude there won't be many CAD applications or ACID databases among them, the rules of the app store and the limitations of the iPhone hardware limit what is available. So a lot of it is meaningless drivel that nobody will miss.
And this respected developer mentioned in both story links? Did a facebook app. ONE facebook app... OMG NOSERS!!1!!!! How will they EVER find anyone else to write something like that!
Sorry, everyone knows that Apple likes total and complete control, people knew this when they signed up for it and they were happy to take the dollars that came with it. Why should Apple change?
Don't get me wrong, I think the one good thing about Bill Gates/Steve Ballmer is that at least they are not Steve Jobs or IT would REALLY be screwed but what is the issue her? What next, companies complaining that they can't add nudity to a 360 game? Then don't develop for a closed format with a megalomaniac calling the shots. Either you support open formats OR you accept that you WILL be fucked up the ass, no lube and bite your tongue.
Look at the damage done to buildings in terrorist attacks, the bomb is usually outside and blows the shell of the building in while the structure itself often survives.
With the wallpaper, the outside shell would remain together, no shrapnel blasting in or collapsing on people. Outside walls in big buildings rarely carry a structural load.
So this isn't meant to keep your house up against an earthquake or something, it really is what it says it is, supposed to stop the wall from collapsing from a bomb blast. NOT to keep it intact as a load bearing structure, but to keep it from doing damage to people inside.
In holland CE Edition of Dragon Age PC cost me less from Bart Smith Online then the console version.
Oh and I got better graphics.
And modding tools.
And mods.
But sure, you go play with your console, you posting this from anyone of them? Oh, so you need a PC AND a console? I only need a PC.
Or leave a note on the door for the milkman.
Or maybe the mail piling up is a sign.
Why is it that guys like you claim the whole counter-terrorism thing is a way for the goverment to scare people, when you scare yourself far better? Watch out, I can track your /. account and tell when you are on holiday.
That show has some REALLY bad science in it at times. For instance, one episode discussed the "myth" (rather old wives saying) that with breakfast cereal (the american kind) the cardboard box it comes in contains more NUTRITION then the cereal itself.
The amazing mythbusters then went on to determine the CALORIE/ENERGY and FAT contents of both products. Do Americans REALLY need more CALORIES or FAT in their diets? Not once did they test EITHER of the products for NUTRITIONAL values, as in minerals/vitamins etc. They proved that sugar coated grain gives you energy. No shit sherlock. Your MOTHER is talking about nutrition as you find it in fresh vegetables, and fruit. Not a sugar cube or lump of butter.
And yet many here at slashdot consider mythbusters as valid science and often quote their results to prove how silly a myth is.
I seen another show where helicopters were discussed and the claim was made that helicopters do not have ejection seats. Correct. US helicopters do not, SOVIET helicopters did. How many believe a lie because they thought a documentary was a documentary?
The truth, the real absolute, total and complete truth is not good entertainment and does not fit in a soundbite or between commercial blocks.
And the truth is hard to understand because you need to understand an lot of complex subjects that you actually need to spend some time thinking about.
What IS the mayan calendar and why is 2012 significant and as mentioned in the article is that different then 31st december 2009? If you don't understand WHAT a date really is, how time is tracked, then you COULD think 31st december 9999 would be an ending (which is rougly what 2012 is to the mayans). Silly if you TRULY understand calendars, numbers and such but many don't.
For many people, magical thinking fills in the gaps between their understanding of the world and a LOT of us do it. Come one, be honest how much of your understanding of gravity is a rubber sheet with a weight on it? There is no rubber sheet, that is magical thinking to help your limited intelligence deal with the concepts thought up by truly brilliant people.
So, don't be to condescending, you are no Einstein.
Our world is filled with half lies to explain things away because explaining everything to everyone would explode the education system and not help getting the bloody toilets cleaned and garbage collected and even peoples wounds dressed.
A simple story: In africa there used to be a believe that if you used a cooking stick twice, evil demons would posses it. White missionaries said this was silly superstition and forbid this practice. people soon dropped dead. Why? The evil spirit called food poisoning. This is LESS of an issue in colder climates like europe, but in the hot african sun food spoils far more rapidly.Oh, the story might not be true, but the gist of it is that sometimes "magical thinking" fills a gap between knowing that something is true and knowing the reason behind it.
But we humans ain't perfect and we all can't spent all our time reading books. These people heard something, didn't understand it and nobody is willing to clearly explain it and then there are stations like Fox that even add to the fear mongering for their own gains. Hell even Discovery and National Geographic are happy to host a "lets scare people" show to get ratings. How are people to know the full truth when the lies are sold so much better?
I think what NASA is doing is the right thing, but they should do it more clearly and get someone like Carl Sagan, someone who can talk plain english to explain it on tv on popular chat shows. SHOW people. Don't hide in the ivory tower sneering down, come out with the science. People LOVE science, but you need to open up to them, not by talking down to them, but by starting easy and then pulling them up. Why do you Einstein is such a celebrity? Because HE could do that. Few can. Certainly not most people here.
You shoot it, right?
I saw it in old yeller. Great movie. Dog gets shot, fun for the whole family.
Signed, cat lover.
if you are still here, then isn't that proof you can in fact talk about Scientology anytime .... hold on there is a knock on the door.
It was PROVEN that were you to emerge from a tunnel at a speed of greater then 30 miles an hour, the air blast would kill you. How hard do you drive?
Lots of things were impossible, before someone did them.
No, I don't see how someone's frozen head could be revived but think this. HOW many of you think it is possible to create an animal from a cell?
Yet the idea in Jurassic Park is not nearly as far fetched anymore is it? Used to be that dinosaurs came back in movie land because someone found some eggs that magically survived a million years. Suddenly a drop of blood will do.
And in fact, we might not even need that. Don't our genes contain the obsolete code from animals we were in the past? You could breed a toothed chicken.
No, I don't think that sticking your head in liquid nitrogen will work, but saying that the idea of cryogenics is impossible... that to me is ignoring that this has been said about way to many things. The impossible is only impossible until it becomes possible, after that everyone says "oh I could have thought of that". But you didn't because you thought it was impossible.
Sigh, if you were a cook you would know you get inspiration out of others WORK, not out of some text book. Real chefs go to other chefs restaurants.