This is semantics at this point. If you install Classic, you are getting a MacOS 9 install... it is just a hidden one that you cannot boot. The post I was replying to seemed to imply that Classic would work if you had a previous install of 9.2, or at least that's how I read it. 9.2.2 *is* Classic now, thanks to the death of OS 9.
Like I said, I think we are arguing two different things. If you want to RUN OS 9.x, you are going to need to buy OS 9. If you want to run OS 9 software under OS X, install classic and the "invisible" OS 9.2.2 installation in Jaguar springs to life.
"Customers will be able to run older Mac OS 9 applications using the "Classic" software that will continue to be bundled with Mac OS X. "
Interestingly enough, MacOS 9.2.2 *wasn't* bundled with Jaguar...
Huh??? It was bundled with Jaguar (notice how everyone refers to it as Jaguar, not "Macintosh OS X version 10.2"). MacOS 9.2 (required for Classic mode) was an optional component in the installation, installed by default. It's on the second of two installation CDs that you got.
Jaguar just didn't include a bootable OS 9 Installation CD like the original OS X retail boxes did.
Geez, is this where all the mod points are going these days??:)
First of all, somebody needs to seed your music on Peer to Peer. I searched high and low for Tallman, and found nothing.
Once I could actually manage a download or two from your website (thanks Slashdot), and listen to Stumblepit, I realized... Tallman sounds just like a rehashed alterna-industrial doom and gloom wail band. "Bury the needle to puncture my eye, healing the wound as a notion divides. Sacrifice virtue to compensate pride; Symptoms are buried behind all the lies."
Just like my brother-in-law's death metal band, the lyrics sound like they were written by a high schooler with a moderately advanced vocabulary and a need to feel "like, dark, man... dark. Yeah." And the music is well performed and produced, but well... formulaic.
If you can enjoy yourselves and a small fanbase doing this, have fun. Just don't expect that the real reason you're not enjoying $ucce$$ is because of the record labels. Maybe it's just because your music only appeals to a limited audience, and some of that audience may already be tired of knock-offs.
My brother-in-law and all of his band mates still have day jobs, seven years and three CDs later. They are talented musicians, but they are not ground-breaking rock stars. There's a line.
You're pretty unfairly ripping WineX.... Transgaming has been working hard to provide wrappers for the _current_ version of DirectX, not the one from 3 years ago.
And you're pretty unfairly discounting the fact that DirectX is fully backwards compatible on Windows PCs. If you have DirectX 8.1 installed, you can whip out games written for 8.0, 7.0, 6.0, etc, and they will work fine.
As far as your older game not working, I don't know what to tell you. I can play all of the old Sierra Games (King's Quest 1-7, for example) on my XP machine just fine.
Reminds me of the great SNL skit with Nicholas Cage: "The name is Dumass, Dumass!"
That's a rootbeer commercial.
Nicholas Cage's name was "Asswipe," and the line was "Excuse me, that's pronounced Os-wee-pay!"
Sorry I remembered that skit recently when trying to think up a name for my unborn child.:) (Cage made every name that his wife suggested into a tease or a taunt to see if it would be appropriate.)
5. Pay my cable modem/DSL bill for VPN'ing over the weekends.
I work in Server Ops for a bank, and they already do this. I don't like how they are kind of draconian about in-office network policy, but the fact that they cover my DSL at home is a nice compensation perk. (I typically spend a few hours a week during non-business hours doing support from home.)
because we lost "Main Street America" and all the quaint little shops
Actually, the first year I spent over five thousand dollars shopping on the Internet (1999), I hypothesized that by about 2015, America's retail experience will be:
WalMart Home Depot Best Buy (God help us) AutoZone Old Navy Convenience shops/vending machines..and... THE INTERNET.
All the specialty shops can move to an exclusive, on-line presence where they will pay far less in bandwidth than property rental, and reach far more potential customers. And if "a shop" doesn't have it:
Chris Riggall, a spokesman for the secretary of state's office, attributed the problems to errors by poll workers, a glitch in the Windows operating system that runs the machines and problems with electronic cards that replace paper ballots and ballot boxes.
1) It's running Windows. I hope it is the XP kernel, and I hope the software vendor made sure to strip out all unnecessary services. If you HAVE to use windows, 2000/Xp is the ONLY way to go.
2) Why would the spokesman for elections have such an unfortunate name such as RIG ALL?
Oy!
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It was a suggestion not a mandate. Kind of like the suggestion to log into slashdot before posting so you have some credability.
Any moron can call someone a moron, BTW. Why not get creative?:)
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we could send a message to the MPAA by boycotting [these] movies.
Nah, I guess that just won't happen.
OR... we can do as someone else suggested and see the movie for entertainment value, then make a donation to the EFF, equal to or greater than the cost of our movie ticket.
I'm really getting bored with EVERY SINGLE STORY ABOUT MOVIES getting a dozen cynnical people asking why we're not boycotting the MPAA today. Though I can't really blame them, since there seems to be a free karma give-away on these types of responses. Can't we be a little less cliche and a little more constructive here?
As a matter of fact, it's not. It's a Democratic Republic. Which means that the majority of our elected representative's views become law and are enforced, for worse and for worser, by the executive branch.
If you want this to stop, vote for statesmen instead of lawyers and politicians. Voice disgust over the evident usurping of legislative power by John Ashcroft and his Assistant Attorneys General. Creative enforcement of questionable code of law is NOT what the executive branch is charged with.
People are too damn lazy anymore. Speak up and be heard... the first step may have to be convincing the businessmen and special interest lobbyists who buy the politicians to see things our way (think EFF), while slowly replacing the politicians with real statespeople who have a freaking clue and are not swayed by their payola, but instead genuinely represent the interests of their constituency.
I can slap two PIII's on a dual m/b for around $300
And at newegg.com, I can slap an Athlon XP 1700+ on a motherboard with on-board sound and 10/100 enet for $135... just built one for my friend to replace a Cyrix 6x86 250 MHz Compaq.
And having just sold my dual P3 1GHz server, I can say unequivocably that the Athlon XP with DDR is MUCH faster than the dual P3 1GHz.
Try AMD, you won't regret it.
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I just wanted the people getting laid off, i'll say a prayer for you and your families.
With all due respect, saying a prayer doesn't help them cope, it only helps your piece of mind. It's well documented that even the best deities have about a 50-50 record on approving/declining requests made via prayer. Things will either work out in your favor... or not.
Since the company was foreclosed upon, employees who were promised severance packages (even back on the July 4th pinkslip day) won't be getting a cent. How about we sent a couple of employees five bucks each to buy some dinner or make a car payment?
(Give unto God what is God's; give unto man what is man's. This is unfortunately a man-made situation, with people affected who need more than just people praying for them.)
If you don't find something you want on the UF board...that's a shame, but it's not the end of the world. Certainly there are enough places among the terabytes of internet bulletin boards for you to find one that suits your temperament. I personally hope you find one. You can even go ahead and slag the UF board there if you want. The people who make the UF board what it is will continue to do what they enjoy - namely, what they've been doing all along.
Kickstart, thanks for taking the time to reply. My rant is... yeah, it looks like it has coalesced into some sort of disjointed community; but what fun is a community of homeless people built on top of a toxic waste dump?
I met a girl online, via a mailing list "community" for a music group, in 1995. She saw something relevent that I had posted and emailed me personally. (We've been married for six years now.) I dumped that mailing list in 1996 when it became obvious that on-topic posts were less than 10% of the content, and when I look at the web archives of that mailing list today, nothing has changed. People around the world, sobbing about lost loves and sad lives. Celebratign when they get the 50 cent increase at work.
If you think that this sort of community experience has a place, well, you and I can politely disagree on this one. But at least detach it from the relevent, "legitimate" discussion forum for the webcomic. I prefer not to hear the "Days of Our Lives" stories from 20 and 30-somethings who have not matured past 15 emotionally.
Can someone explain the attraction to UF? I just don't get it.
I take thirty seconds to read UF every day, but I'm a leech otherwise. I don't read the discussion boards, I don't read the link of the day, and I don't buy merchandise.
What you want to do to gain insight on who "participates" in UF: read about 5 days worth of discussion threads.
This shows you who the "UF community" is... a bunch of unimaginative, generally unsociable geeks who trade repetative inside jokes and whine about how they are REALLY SMART AND NICE but other people don't understand them, and they are having a really hard time because their mom is in the hospital, and oh I hope she feels well, me too, ME TOO, me also, *hug*, etc. ETC. AD NAUSEUM. There is a random hit or two discussing the strip, but it's usually explaining the english to someone on a different continent.
So while I'm a "fan" of the strip, because it is a fair attempt at capturing humor at the ISP workplace and in the tech sector at large; the community eludes me because, humility aside, I have a life. Good for these people if this is what they want to do, but none of them seem genuinely satisfied with their lives, and I will continue to sit here and shake my head while "Mike Burns, your company's computer guy" and "Miss lonely and insecure" continue to try to find work and/or romance via the "community" at UF.org.
Sorry to be blunt, but that is my opinion. I'm sure yours is probably different.
I know that comment submitters like to put "cute" things at the end of the comment, but this one is just inane.
First of all, the gene just adds the ability to make extra sounds. You have to be able to process language in the brain before you can speak, listen, comprehend, and respond.
So the answer to How long? is "Much longer than you have to wait."
And I really did have to walk/hitch-hike 20 miles to school every day in the pouring rain (or boiling sun)!
Was this before bicycles?
With all the other energy ingenuity going on at your hours, I would think you could have at least concocted yourself an electric scooter powered by table scraps?
(Mr. Fusion units are easily found in most auto graveyards. Look at early 80s model DeLoreans first.)
Ask/. Is The Lazy Man's Version of Usenet and Google
While I can see where the "seed of truth" lies in this witty little gem, Ask Slashdot has a different kind of value than that gleaned from scouring Google (the web at large) and Usenet (newsgroup posts of a random possible age).
One is temporal relevence; someone asks a question today wanting relevent answers, and gets feedback largely based on the current state of affairs from various viewpoints. Most web pages linked/cached by google that have any real valule are static and were written at a past time. Usenet posts even moreso.
Second is the specific question may relate to a certain set of parameters or circumstances, and once those are given, the massive user population of slashdot can respond within those guidelines. (Though it is likely they will wildly diverge on any opportunity!:)
Finally you have the limitation of Usenet and the web at large to supply valid anecdotal feedback based on personal experience. You may find a million FAQs and HOWTOs, but are you really going to get a feel for "what has your experience been when you tried this?"
Those seem to be Ask Slashdot's strengths. Give unto Google what is Google's; give unto Slashdot what belongeth to/."
You say "civil disobedience" as if you know what that phrase means. Go read some Thoreau or King or Ghandi, and get a clue. Anonymous DoS attacks are *not* acts of civil disobedience, they're ATTACKS.
Strong words from somebody who won't even be bothered to sign a name.
"DoS" only means "Denial of Service" if you are taking away a service, and the RIAA provides no useful services except employment for lawyers.
Using "mob rule" strategies will just make it worse...
You're right, we need to stay away from any sort of civil disobedience. Who knows where this country might be if people protested oppressive behavior by doing juvenile things like dressing up like indians and dumping tea in Boston Harbor...
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This is semantics at this point. If you install Classic, you are getting a MacOS 9 install... it is just a hidden one that you cannot boot. The post I was replying to seemed to imply that Classic would work if you had a previous install of 9.2, or at least that's how I read it. 9.2.2 *is* Classic now, thanks to the death of OS 9.
Like I said, I think we are arguing two different things. If you want to RUN OS 9.x, you are going to need to buy OS 9. If you want to run OS 9 software under OS X, install classic and the "invisible" OS 9.2.2 installation in Jaguar springs to life.
Sorry to upset you.
"Customers will be able to run older Mac OS 9 applications using the "Classic" software that will continue to be bundled with Mac OS X. "
:)
Interestingly enough, MacOS 9.2.2 *wasn't* bundled with Jaguar...
Huh??? It was bundled with Jaguar (notice how everyone refers to it as Jaguar, not "Macintosh OS X version 10.2"). MacOS 9.2 (required for Classic mode) was an optional component in the installation, installed by default. It's on the second of two installation CDs that you got.
Jaguar just didn't include a bootable OS 9 Installation CD like the original OS X retail boxes did.
Geez, is this where all the mod points are going these days??
First of all, somebody needs to seed your music on Peer to Peer. I searched high and low for Tallman, and found nothing.
Once I could actually manage a download or two from your website (thanks Slashdot), and listen to Stumblepit, I realized... Tallman sounds just like a rehashed alterna-industrial doom and gloom wail band. "Bury the needle to puncture my eye, healing the wound as a notion divides. Sacrifice virtue to compensate pride; Symptoms are buried behind all the lies."
Just like my brother-in-law's death metal band, the lyrics sound like they were written by a high schooler with a moderately advanced vocabulary and a need to feel "like, dark, man... dark. Yeah." And the music is well performed and produced, but well... formulaic.
If you can enjoy yourselves and a small fanbase doing this, have fun. Just don't expect that the real reason you're not enjoying $ucce$$ is because of the record labels. Maybe it's just because your music only appeals to a limited audience, and some of that audience may already be tired of knock-offs.
My brother-in-law and all of his band mates still have day jobs, seven years and three CDs later. They are talented musicians, but they are not ground-breaking rock stars. There's a line.
Symptoms buried behind the lies, indeed.
Friends of mine have gone to Worst Buy or Office Despot and come back with drives that were DOA.
The plural of ANECDOTE is not DATA.
Meaning "a friend of a friend had this happen, and my uncle's roommate had this happen, so it must be TRUE!!" is a load of crap.
FWIW, I own 10 Maxtor hard drives between 30 and 120 Gigs, and none of them has so much as hiccuped in 3 years.
You're pretty unfairly ripping WineX. ... Transgaming has been working hard to provide wrappers for the _current_ version of DirectX, not the one from 3 years ago.
And you're pretty unfairly discounting the fact that DirectX is fully backwards compatible on Windows PCs. If you have DirectX 8.1 installed, you can whip out games written for 8.0, 7.0, 6.0, etc, and they will work fine.
As far as your older game not working, I don't know what to tell you. I can play all of the old Sierra Games (King's Quest 1-7, for example) on my XP machine just fine.
Reminds me of the great SNL skit with Nicholas Cage:
:) (Cage made every name that his wife suggested into a tease or a taunt to see if it would be appropriate.)
"The name is Dumass, Dumass!"
That's a rootbeer commercial.
Nicholas Cage's name was "Asswipe," and the line was "Excuse me, that's pronounced Os-wee-pay!"
Sorry I remembered that skit recently when trying to think up a name for my unborn child.
5. Pay my cable modem/DSL bill for VPN'ing over the weekends.
I work in Server Ops for a bank, and they already do this. I don't like how they are kind of draconian about in-office network policy, but the fact that they cover my DSL at home is a nice compensation perk. (I typically spend a few hours a week during non-business hours doing support from home.)
because we lost "Main Street America" and all the quaint little shops
..and...
Actually, the first year I spent over five thousand dollars shopping on the Internet (1999), I hypothesized that by about 2015, America's retail experience will be:
WalMart
Home Depot
Best Buy (God help us)
AutoZone
Old Navy
Convenience shops/vending machines
THE INTERNET.
All the specialty shops can move to an exclusive, on-line presence where they will pay far less in bandwidth than property rental, and reach far more potential customers. And if "a shop" doesn't have it:
eBay, man, eBay.
Geforce 4 ti 4600...
;)
Oh please. The GF4 is *SO* three months ago. I mean, the prices are already down to a much more affordable $330 for those 4600s.
Now the big ticket item is the ATI Radeon 9700, as it spanks GF4 performance by almost 30%. It's a steal at only $400, if you can find one!
Talk to me again in a few months and we'll talk about the NV30 chip...
Chris Riggall, a spokesman for the secretary of state's office, attributed the problems to errors by poll workers, a glitch in the Windows operating system that runs the machines and problems with electronic cards that replace paper ballots and ballot boxes.
1) It's running Windows. I hope it is the XP kernel, and I hope the software vendor made sure to strip out all unnecessary services. If you HAVE to use windows, 2000/Xp is the ONLY way to go.
2) Why would the spokesman for elections have such an unfortunate name such as RIG ALL?
Oy!
It was a suggestion not a mandate. Kind of like the suggestion to log into slashdot before posting so you have some credability.
:)
Any moron can call someone a moron, BTW. Why not get creative?
we could send a message to the MPAA by boycotting [these] movies.
Nah, I guess that just won't happen.
OR... we can do as someone else suggested and see the movie for entertainment value, then make a donation to the EFF, equal to or greater than the cost of our movie ticket.
I'm really getting bored with EVERY SINGLE STORY ABOUT MOVIES getting a dozen cynnical people asking why we're not boycotting the MPAA today. Though I can't really blame them, since there seems to be a free karma give-away on these types of responses. Can't we be a little less cliche and a little more constructive here?
I say have your cake and eat it too.
Isn't this a fucking democracy?
As a matter of fact, it's not. It's a Democratic Republic. Which means that the majority of our elected representative's views become law and are enforced, for worse and for worser, by the executive branch.
If you want this to stop, vote for statesmen instead of lawyers and politicians. Voice disgust over the evident usurping of legislative power by John Ashcroft and his Assistant Attorneys General. Creative enforcement of questionable code of law is NOT what the executive branch is charged with.
People are too damn lazy anymore. Speak up and be heard... the first step may have to be convincing the businessmen and special interest lobbyists who buy the politicians to see things our way (think EFF), while slowly replacing the politicians with real statespeople who have a freaking clue and are not swayed by their payola, but instead genuinely represent the interests of their constituency.
I can slap two PIII's on a dual m/b for around $300
And at newegg.com, I can slap an Athlon XP 1700+ on a motherboard with on-board sound and 10/100 enet for $135... just built one for my friend to replace a Cyrix 6x86 250 MHz Compaq.
And having just sold my dual P3 1GHz server, I can say unequivocably that the Athlon XP with DDR is MUCH faster than the dual P3 1GHz.
Try AMD, you won't regret it.
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I just wanted the people getting laid off, i'll say a prayer for you and your families.
With all due respect, saying a prayer doesn't help them cope, it only helps your piece of mind. It's well documented that even the best deities have about a 50-50 record on approving/declining requests made via prayer. Things will either work out in your favor... or not.
Since the company was foreclosed upon, employees who were promised severance packages (even back on the July 4th pinkslip day) won't be getting a cent. How about we sent a couple of employees five bucks each to buy some dinner or make a car payment?
(Give unto God what is God's; give unto man what is man's. This is unfortunately a man-made situation, with people affected who need more than just people praying for them.)
JC (John Carmack, not the other one)
:)
There's a difference???
All hail the Messiah...
If you don't find something you want on the UF board...that's a shame, but it's not the end of the world. Certainly there are enough places among the terabytes of internet bulletin boards for you to find one that suits your temperament. I personally hope you find one. You can even go ahead and slag the UF board there if you want. The people who make the UF board what it is will continue to do what they enjoy - namely, what they've been doing all along.
Kickstart, thanks for taking the time to reply. My rant is... yeah, it looks like it has coalesced into some sort of disjointed community; but what fun is a community of homeless people built on top of a toxic waste dump?
I met a girl online, via a mailing list "community" for a music group, in 1995. She saw something relevent that I had posted and emailed me personally. (We've been married for six years now.) I dumped that mailing list in 1996 when it became obvious that on-topic posts were less than 10% of the content, and when I look at the web archives of that mailing list today, nothing has changed. People around the world, sobbing about lost loves and sad lives. Celebratign when they get the 50 cent increase at work.
If you think that this sort of community experience has a place, well, you and I can politely disagree on this one. But at least detach it from the relevent, "legitimate" discussion forum for the webcomic. I prefer not to hear the "Days of Our Lives" stories from 20 and 30-somethings who have not matured past 15 emotionally.
Of course it is flamebait; it's the truth, and it's on-topic.
Can someone explain the attraction to UF? I just don't get it.
I take thirty seconds to read UF every day, but I'm a leech otherwise. I don't read the discussion boards, I don't read the link of the day, and I don't buy merchandise.
What you want to do to gain insight on who "participates" in UF: read about 5 days worth of discussion threads.
This shows you who the "UF community" is... a bunch of unimaginative, generally unsociable geeks who trade repetative inside jokes and whine about how they are REALLY SMART AND NICE but other people don't understand them, and they are having a really hard time because their mom is in the hospital, and oh I hope she feels well, me too, ME TOO, me also, *hug*, etc. ETC. AD NAUSEUM. There is a random hit or two discussing the strip, but it's usually explaining the english to someone on a different continent.
So while I'm a "fan" of the strip, because it is a fair attempt at capturing humor at the ISP workplace and in the tech sector at large; the community eludes me because, humility aside, I have a life. Good for these people if this is what they want to do, but none of them seem genuinely satisfied with their lives, and I will continue to sit here and shake my head while "Mike Burns, your company's computer guy" and "Miss lonely and insecure" continue to try to find work and/or romance via the "community" at UF.org.
Sorry to be blunt, but that is my opinion. I'm sure yours is probably different.
So, how long until I can get a talking dog?
I know that comment submitters like to put "cute" things at the end of the comment, but this one is just inane.
First of all, the gene just adds the ability to make extra sounds. You have to be able to process language in the brain before you can speak, listen, comprehend, and respond.
So the answer to How long? is "Much longer than you have to wait."
And I really did have to walk/hitch-hike 20 miles to school every day in the pouring rain (or boiling sun)!
Was this before bicycles?
With all the other energy ingenuity going on at your hours, I would think you could have at least concocted yourself an electric scooter powered by table scraps?
(Mr. Fusion units are easily found in most auto graveyards. Look at early 80s model DeLoreans first.)
While I can see where the "seed of truth" lies in this witty little gem, Ask Slashdot has a different kind of value than that gleaned from scouring Google (the web at large) and Usenet (newsgroup posts of a random possible age).
One is temporal relevence; someone asks a question today wanting relevent answers, and gets feedback largely based on the current state of affairs from various viewpoints. Most web pages linked/cached by google that have any real valule are static and were written at a past time. Usenet posts even moreso.
Second is the specific question may relate to a certain set of parameters or circumstances, and once those are given, the massive user population of slashdot can respond within those guidelines. (Though it is likely they will wildly diverge on any opportunity!
Finally you have the limitation of Usenet and the web at large to supply valid anecdotal feedback based on personal experience. You may find a million FAQs and HOWTOs, but are you really going to get a feel for "what has your experience been when you tried this?"
Those seem to be Ask Slashdot's strengths. Give unto Google what is Google's; give unto Slashdot what belongeth to
You say "civil disobedience" as if you know what that phrase means. Go read some Thoreau or King or Ghandi, and get a clue. Anonymous DoS attacks are *not* acts of civil disobedience, they're ATTACKS.
Strong words from somebody who won't even be bothered to sign a name.
"DoS" only means "Denial of Service" if you are taking away a service, and the RIAA provides no useful services except employment for lawyers.
Using "mob rule" strategies will just make it worse...
You're right, we need to stay away from any sort of civil disobedience. Who knows where this country might be if people protested oppressive behavior by doing juvenile things like dressing up like indians and dumping tea in Boston Harbor...