You, and many others, are completly missing the point. The subject matter of the game is irrelevant; what is relevant is the attitude taken towards the subject matter. It's a question of whether the game can truly be called a game, whether it treats the subject matter with tact and respect - or whether it glorifies atrocities (more to the point: whether it glorifies real atrocities).
As an aside, I seem to recall Return to Castle Wolfenstein having an assassination mission in it, as well as civilians.
Where is the upcry when you have WWII games happening??
Don't be ridiculous. You can't possibly compare conventional warfare (conflict between soldiers, which nearly every WW2 game portrays) with murder.
If a WW2 game came out that casts the player as the administrator of Auschwitz ("Theme Deathcamp", perhaps?), damn right there'd be an uproar. This program appears to be treating the situation with tact and sensitivity, which is a far more relevant reason to not take offense at it. Contrast with that Columbine massacre Half-Life mod from a while back.
If this thing fires at everything that moves, how do you turn it off? Approach it stealthily from the back, ninja style? Run in a circle around it to dodge its fire like a skulk?
...directed at "Enterprise-grade apps and "coolness" may be inapproriate bedfellows. Besides, does any language offer both?", from the original post.
I get very annoyed about the whole "C verses Java" business, and even more annoyed at the term "C/C++". They're not the same language, damnit!.
C++ lets you do what you like, and as much of it as you like. C forces you to do everything, and Java stands over you with a whip from the first line. Out of those, give me "do what you like" anyday. C++ allows far greater range of expression than C or Java. You can build powerful types that behave as if they were part of the language to begin with, and won't break if you accidentally trip over the wrong global or cast them the wrong way. If you want OO, you can use as much as you like without having to pay for any more. If you want compile-time type safety for you custom types, you can have that too.
And for God's sake, if a text editor can have exception handling, surely it's not too much to ask for?
C is ancient and crude. Java is a padded cell and straight-jacket. There is a middle ground.
No, I'm being absolutely serious. The system is broken; demonstrate that it's a crock of shit by abusing it. What would be ideal is setting up organisations to do this large scale. DDoS the patent office, in effect.
Which reminds me. Wouldn't it be a viable defense against ridiculous software patents to go on a mad patenting of fundamental techniques and then make them all public domain?
I'd often wondered myself about whether programs like this could work. (At the time, I was wondering if it were possible to virally update Quake 3 to have client-side hit prediction, but that's beside the point).
I think this sort of thing is a good idea. Considering that worms can only work by exploiting security holes in the first place, using this kind of thing in a controlled way could be the answer. I don't think we're ever going to be able to rely on users to take proper precautions themselves, nor companies to always fix the exploits themselves.
Oh noes! It's not Open Source\ the latest in Microsoft\SCO flaming\ the umpteenth story of the latest Mozilla build! And I don't play decent games, so obviously they're not worth mentioning!
"News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." Gamer nerds are nerds, too. If you haven't even heard of the Thief series then quit your whining and go back to discussing the latest release of Mozilla FlamePidgeon (or whatever today's build happens to be called).
Or Maj. Motoko Kusanagi, or "Battle Angel" Alita, or Chi, or the EVA series (heh, kinda), or that twisted little robot from Tenchi Muyo GXP, or the chick from Metropolis, or...
You say it's something in the Australian psyche, but I have my doubts about that. Take Vietnam, for example - Australia went to war alongside America, but the general public were not happy about it. No, it's not something ingrained in the minds of the Australian people - it's a recurring phenomenon in the minds of our glorious leadership.
Take our current favourite international conflict, the war in Iraq, for (another) example. Like Vietnam, Australia and the US were the two major western countries on the scene, and once again Australia participated for two reasons. The first reason was a perception of a threat to international security (with Vietnam it was the "threat of Communism", here it was the "threat of Cliches of Mass Destruction"). The second reason was that our big bro was going to bash someone up, so we'd tag along and help to get on his good side.
Popular support for the war, by the way, is almost non-existant. Nobody wants to be in Iraq except for the government, and, as usual, dear old Jonnie Howard has his tongue too far up Bush's arse to care. No matter what the US does or decides, we'll be there, loudly supporting it. I say "we", because the general population are dragged along for the ride whether we like it or not.
And, no offense intended to the glorious leadership of the United States, it really sucks.
Yes, they do, as far as I know. (Er... hang on. I assume you mean school uniform, here. Just clarifying). Anyway, school uniforms are standard practise in Japan. They're pretty standard in here Australia, too. I don't live in America; I gather this is not the norm...?
But aside from that, my theory about why hentai is so violent\nasty\degrading to women is that the more straight-laced a society is, the further off the rails people go when they do break society's rules (or fantasise about it; ie, making\watching porn)
Make sure your home is termite free. Or you just might find holes in your speakers. Damn those things, I hope they choke on a splinter!...or get drunk. And chew crazy patterns into your furnature.
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You, and many others, are completly missing the point. The subject matter of the game is irrelevant; what is relevant is the attitude taken towards the subject matter. It's a question of whether the game can truly be called a game, whether it treats the subject matter with tact and respect - or whether it glorifies atrocities (more to the point: whether it glorifies real atrocities).
As an aside, I seem to recall Return to Castle Wolfenstein having an assassination mission in it, as well as civilians.
Where is the upcry when you have WWII games happening??
Don't be ridiculous. You can't possibly compare conventional warfare (conflict between soldiers, which nearly every WW2 game portrays) with murder.
If a WW2 game came out that casts the player as the administrator of Auschwitz ("Theme Deathcamp", perhaps?), damn right there'd be an uproar. This program appears to be treating the situation with tact and sensitivity, which is a far more relevant reason to not take offense at it. Contrast with that Columbine massacre Half-Life mod from a while back.
This sort of thing never ends well.
Exactly. One hopes this is the least of the difficulties they'll run into in getting fusion working!
If this thing fires at everything that moves, how do you turn it off? Approach it stealthily from the back, ninja style? Run in a circle around it to dodge its fire like a skulk?
Well, it could be worse.
...directed at "Enterprise-grade apps and "coolness" may be inapproriate bedfellows.
Besides, does any language offer both?", from the original post.
I get very annoyed about the whole "C verses Java" business, and even more annoyed at the term "C/C++". They're not the same language, damnit!.
C++ lets you do what you like, and as much of it as you like. C forces you to do everything, and Java stands over you with a whip from the first line. Out of those, give me "do what you like" anyday. C++ allows far greater range of expression than C or Java. You can build powerful types that behave as if they were part of the language to begin with, and won't break if you accidentally trip over the wrong global or cast them the wrong way. If you want OO, you can use as much as you like without having to pay for any more. If you want compile-time type safety for you custom types, you can have that too.
And for God's sake, if a text editor can have exception handling, surely it's not too much to ask for?
C is ancient and crude. Java is a padded cell and straight-jacket. There is a middle ground.
Go ahead.
No, I'm being absolutely serious. The system is broken; demonstrate that it's a crock of shit by abusing it. What would be ideal is setting up organisations to do this large scale. DDoS the patent office, in effect.
Which reminds me. Wouldn't it be a viable defense against ridiculous software patents to go on a mad patenting of fundamental techniques and then make them all public domain?
"42", if I recall correctly...
No shit! And here we were, thinking it was one of the long-lost keyboard function keys...
Then they can be fluro furutistic space battle warriors. Er.. I mean "battle space". Whatever.
I'd often wondered myself about whether programs like this could work. (At the time, I was wondering if it were possible to virally update Quake 3 to have client-side hit prediction, but that's beside the point).
I think this sort of thing is a good idea. Considering that worms can only work by exploiting security holes in the first place, using this kind of thing in a controlled way could be the answer. I don't think we're ever going to be able to rely on users to take proper precautions themselves, nor companies to always fix the exploits themselves.
What's your point? We're suffering a torrential deluge of WW2 games at the moment, not "Hunter/Assassin style" mods.
Change is good.
...on the paperless touch screen machines"?
Well, fair enough. Those paper touch screen machines don't work too well, after all...
Oh noes! It's not Open Source\ the latest in Microsoft\SCO flaming\ the umpteenth story of the latest Mozilla build! And I don't play decent games, so obviously they're not worth mentioning!
"News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." Gamer nerds are nerds, too. If you haven't even heard of the Thief series then quit your whining and go back to discussing the latest release of Mozilla FlamePidgeon (or whatever today's build happens to be called).
Or Maj. Motoko Kusanagi, or "Battle Angel" Alita, or Chi, or the EVA series (heh, kinda), or that twisted little robot from Tenchi Muyo GXP, or the chick from Metropolis, or...
Anime isn't exactly short on robots.
Zero-G jumping castles! :D
When's the last time an ape told you he wasn't sentient?
Wait... if an ape told me he wasn't sentient, then...
Argh! My brain!
A lager IS a pilsener and vice versa. Maybe you're reading the sentance wrong?
Yeah, but would it understand if you wanted [a lager or a pilsner]?
Smart-arsery aside, "would the dog return the same thing if you used either terms?" is something interesting to think about...
You say it's something in the Australian psyche, but I have my doubts about that. Take Vietnam, for example - Australia went to war alongside America, but the general public were not happy about it. No, it's not something ingrained in the minds of the Australian people - it's a recurring phenomenon in the minds of our glorious leadership.
Take our current favourite international conflict, the war in Iraq, for (another) example. Like Vietnam, Australia and the US were the two major western countries on the scene, and once again Australia participated for two reasons. The first reason was a perception of a threat to international security (with Vietnam it was the "threat of Communism", here it was the "threat of Cliches of Mass Destruction"). The second reason was that our big bro was going to bash someone up, so we'd tag along and help to get on his good side.
Popular support for the war, by the way, is almost non-existant. Nobody wants to be in Iraq except for the government, and, as usual, dear old Jonnie Howard has his tongue too far up Bush's arse to care. No matter what the US does or decides, we'll be there, loudly supporting it. I say "we", because the general population are dragged along for the ride whether we like it or not.
And, no offense intended to the glorious leadership of the United States, it really sucks.
...of Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency?
Do all girls wear those uniforms?
Yes, they do, as far as I know. (Er... hang on. I assume you mean school uniform, here. Just clarifying). Anyway, school uniforms are standard practise in Japan. They're pretty standard in here Australia, too. I don't live in America; I gather this is not the norm...?
But aside from that, my theory about why hentai is so violent\nasty\degrading to women is that the more straight-laced a society is, the further off the rails people go when they do break society's rules (or fantasise about it; ie, making\watching porn)
Make sure your home is termite free. Or you just might find holes in your speakers. Damn those things, I hope they choke on a splinter! ...or get drunk. And chew crazy patterns into your furnature.