So, what does "food safety" have to do with anything?
I don't want to eat anything that's eaten something harmful to me, as that substance could be present in high enough concentrations to make me sick, or dead.
Perhaps The Mozilla team will figure out how to fool Windows into thinking that Mozilla is IE by then?
That would take a polotical shift. It's already possible to set the agent string so that it pretends to be IE. They don't want to make it userfriendly thought, because it will just convince webmasters that everyone continues to use IE, so why support anything else. We have to let site designers know that if our browser isn't supported by their site, they loose us as a customer.
Lawyers arrive in court, head counsel for IBM opens briefcase, pulls out megaphone, points it at Boies, and says in Eric Cartman's voice "Would you like, to suck my balls, Mr. Boies?"
Not entirely true. I know several people I consider average users, and they had to ask where things went. I consider an average user someone who doesn't know they can change the desktop back to classic. I've yet to actually see one Windows XP machine running the classic desktop.
If you could build a Linux system that a KDE or Gnome theme that made the system seem exactly like XP, coupled with applications that behaved exactly like the ones people are used to, you'd have a winner.
You know, I hear that argument quite a bit. But Windows 9x -> XP had a learning curve. Mac OS 9 -> Mac OS X had a learning curve. The same goes for applications. Every now and then the interface changes, and users learn how to use it. With OS, the vast majority just go with what's already installed when they buy it. Once Gnome and KDE are deemed useable enough to ship pre-installed on consumer PC lines by the likes of Dell, Sony, and HP, people will buy them as long as they can access all their files. They don't need to know that every widget will look the same. When people buy a new replacement computer, they say "Will I be able to view all my photos and listen to all my songs? Will I be able to access all my favorite web sites? Will I be able access my documents and spreadsheets?" If applications have full file compatibility, and the system mime types are set correctly, they won't care. They'll see right away that it's a little different, and they'll take the time to learn it, as long as the files open and the data is still correct.
Doesn't Linus work on the kernel? How is his input vital for desktops which are KDE/GNOME dominated now, projects he is not involved with...
Don't underestimate the importance of a good kernel for the desktop. You need good multitasking support (low-latency context switching, an efficient scheduler, a good VM system) for the GUI environment to be responsive and zippy. You need a good infrastructure and API for device drivers to get the most out of your peripherals. People hate buying a fancy video card only to find that half the I/O ports aren't supported.
Point number 3 is the only that had anticipated, and the only I consider valid. I guess I just assumed that different platforms would likely mean slight differences in the packaging. I mean, if the packaging layout is identical on all platforns, then all that leaves is waiting for the code itself to become 'stable' on each platform. Which means I, as an x86 user, have to wait for the code to stabilize on MIPS before I get an official platform, even though the code has been stable on my platform for a year.
Whatever. Red Hat, and now Fedora Core, has always given me everything I need, and I strongly prefer the config tools and menu layout on Red Hat to Debian's. So it doesn't really matter to me that much.
How usefull will this be for home networks where GUI browsing is [usually] preferred? I currently dual-boot half of my machines, so I use an SMB network so that a file system will be mounted on either client OS in the same manner regardless of the server OS. If I install this and convert everything to use NFS shares. Will I still be able to browse in the Network Neighborhood in Windows? Can I just type '\\\' in Explorer like I can with SMB? What about the 'Network Servers' gnome-vfs module, will I be able to browse with that using an NFS network?
Unless I can still browse, I only really see this being usefull in companies where workstations are pre-configured to mount shared volumes at boot. The benefit being you won't need to set up Samba on your Unix machines, or pay for a license to put this on one Windows box and then share it to the rest of the Windows boxes.
I wish I had read this discussion earlier. I was under the impression IBM asked for which lines of UNIX code SCO claims were placed in the Linux kernel. Everyone here seems to be assuming IBM asked which lines of the Linux kernel are infirnging. That wouldn't do much good. With SCO saying which lines of UNIX where appropriated. IBM can then go thru their projects which SCO has been talking about (like the SMP stuff, JFS, etc). They can also check the Linux kernels SCO is saying are infringing for these lines of UNIX code.
Actually didn't the judge already rule that discovery could be sealed from the public because it contained SCO trade secrets?
Ah yes, Grocklaw has it and some explanations of how it might be fought. But until it is broken it is unlikely that we will get access to the actual evidence.
I was under the impression, thanks to a Groklaw article, that you can't claim both copyright/patent AND trade secret. You use copyrights and patents to guarantee that nobody is allowed to duplicate your work because you are distributing said work in a very non-discriminating manner. (Giving it to anyone who will pay, basically) Filing a patent on something puts documentation on how it works in the public domain. For trade secret protection, you can't disitribute it unless you are discriminating about who you distribute it to. You also don't get the guarantee that nobody can duplicate your work. For example, the recipe for Coke is a trade secret, and anyone is allowed to buy a can reverse engineer it, and mass-produce the same thing for profit. The Coca-cola company doesn't distribute the recipe to anyone.
The Groklaw piece I read talked about the USL v BSD trial, and how USL tried to claim trade secret at one point, but were unable to prove they had distributed the code in a discriminating fashion. It also came out that since the code had been disitributed so long ago, it wasn't even copyrightable, which is a large reason why USL and BSD settled the case.
My, this will piss the movie mogules in Hollywood mightily off.
The great thing about it, is that it was the Mythbusters on the Discovery channel who proved it. Their background is in special effects for hollywood movies!
But even if the maintainers of X on x86 also maintain the X packages on all other platforms, they could release packages for a particular platform in unstable as soon as it's ready. The x86 packages for X 4.3 have been in experimental for at least a few months. Why not put them in unstable. I'm not saying take effort away from supporting other platforms. I'm just saying release to packages to unstable for individual platforms as soon as they come available, rather than sitting on them until all platforms have been packaged.
I'm not primarily a debian user, so I'm not sure exactly how things are done. I'm just commenting based on what I've been able to glean from discussions about debian and my limited exposure to it.
Firing a bullet from a handgun thru the side/window of an airplane at 25k-30k feet will not cause explosive decompression. You have to pretty much set off a bomb that will blow a sizeable hole in the plane. And even then, if you have your seatbelt fastened you aren't likely to be sucked out. A similar situation actually happened on a flight at that altitude, but it was due to metal-fatigue, not foul-play. The only death was a flight attendent standing in the section immediately under the roof when it came off.
The only difference is the overseas programmer can afford to do the same work (as in comparable productivity) for 1/10 the pay as I can.
It's a big difference. But thanks to people like Fiorina, this difference will get smaller over the time. No matter do you like it or not.
You originally said stop whining and be more productive. My response was to say that productivity has nothing to do with it. The salary is the determining factor. The fact that someone in another country can do the same job for cheaper due to a lower cost of living does not make them more productive. If they could do the job more productively, taking less time, and saving money as a side-effect, that would be different, but I have yet to hear of a single example where this was the case (at least in IT. I know automated manufacturing plants in Mexico took many automobile manufacturing jobs).
No wonder you have problem with your employment
exactly where did I complain about my personal job? Throughout all the problems facing our economy I've faced a total of 2 months of unemployment. I'm complaining about rich executives increasing the number of unemployed domestic workers to save a quick buck to improve their personal bank accounts. I don't care how you spin, I will never consider that good for the local economy.
I fail to see how having money sitting in investments helps create jobs for the unemployed. The only thing I see it doing is boosting the bankrolls of the already rich. I have no problem with rich people increasing their wealth. I just hate when rich people screw thousands of workers to improve their personal bottom line.
Historically your goverment and corporations of your country were stealing money directly or indirectly from those colonies, which are trying to develop their economies now. That's why today you still live better than people in those countries. Way much better. I guess it's time for you to pay back. It's shame for you to complain of changing your car to something cheaper while people in India a starving without food.
Exactly what stealing are you referring to? Is it something that happened in my generation? Since I've been able to exert any influence on my government? What exactly should I be paying back, and to whom? I'm a firm believer in everyone earning their own way thru life. Perhaps you have misunderstood some of my first response as directed animosity towards the foreign workers. My complaints are 100% against the people in my country removing the jobs from my local economy. And where did I mention having to buy a cheaper car? I know that my standard of living is higher than that held by millions. I've travelled quite extensively around the world. The U.S. dollar has been losing value for quite a while. Our national debt is skyrocketing. And all the while more and more people find themselves unemployed. This puts a greater burden on government welfare programs. Which should cause an increase in taxes, but instead our government is borrowing money, setting in place more economic hardship for future generations who have to pay it off.
When workers of all nations have true freedom to live and work in whatever country they choose, then I'll stop being pissed off.
Don't waste your time and make a pressure on your goverment to open doors wider. There is no way to improve the situation by complaining and closing doors.
What? Did I say when all the jobs come back to my country I'll stop being pissed off? Learn how to read. My statement, which you quoted, pretty much says when doors are open I'll stop being pissed off. I happen to think that more doors are open into my country than out, which you seem to acknowledge in the last statement of your post. Which is purely anecdotal. I lived in England for 8 years and Canada for 4, and intend to start my own business* in the caribbean, most likely Panama, where running hot water is something of a luxury. So keep your
Nobody takes your livehood from, but you. Get less lazy and more smart/effcient - and get better job.
The beancounters take the jobs away. There's no indication that I am any less productive than a programmer at an overseas company. The only difference is the overseas programmer can afford to do the same work (as in comparable productivity) for 1/10 the pay as I can.
I guess those few millions will be used back in the economy. What's wrong with that?
Nothing is wrong with injecting more cash into the economy, up to a certain level. But the people raking in millions a year like Carly Fiorina aren't spending that extra cash as it piles up. They're sitting on it. They're not using it to start new small companies to hire the millions of unemployed. They're not stimulating anything but they're bank accounts. And all that does is keep extra millions of dollars out of the economy. And it widens the economic gap. The American Middle Class (you know, the majority of the population that made the U.S. a global economic superpower) is withering away.
IMHO nothing wrong with [paying some overseas people] per se.
There is when it comes at the cost of domestic workers (and yes, I was against it when manufacturing jobs were being shipped off to Asia and South America, but I was just a child then).
So, in a long term developing countries develop faster using outsourced jobs. But guess what, they deveop faster a consumer market capable to buy more staff from US and Europe. So it is a good thing.
I advise you to stop complaining about outsourcing. It's a reality. Even without outsourcing a structure of a local job market changes drammatically every decade. If you won't adapt you will have more chances to complain about your livehood. Today you complain about outsourcing, Two decades ago about computers getting job from you. Four or five decades ago you would have complained about machibes and so on.
That's all fine and good. But I can't move to India and take advantage of the lower cost of living to work for those reduced wages. When workers of all nations have true freedom to live and work in whatever country they choose, then I'll stop being pissed off about the last few decades of foreign workers displacing domestic workers weakening my local economy and reducing my purchasing power.
I'm not trying to be stuck up or xenophobic or anything, but I believe it's wrong that people can move to my country and compete for the same jobs when I can't move to theirs.
i just don't believe that death is just punishment for auto theft. Whether it comes from my hands or the state's.
And I know you can kill someone with a bat, it's harder to not kill someone with a gun than it is with a bat. Even if you're just shooting them in the arm or leg you have to be aware of the angle of entry of the bullet so it doesn't pass thru a vital organ or artery, and it takes better aim. but that's all beside the point.
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potentially the fish that we do eat.
So, what does "food safety" have to do with anything?
I don't want to eat anything that's eaten something harmful to me, as that substance could be present in high enough concentrations to make me sick, or dead.
He was. Impeached doesn't mean removed from office, it means brought to trial.
That would take a polotical shift. It's already possible to set the agent string so that it pretends to be IE. They don't want to make it userfriendly thought, because it will just convince webmasters that everyone continues to use IE, so why support anything else. We have to let site designers know that if our browser isn't supported by their site, they loose us as a customer.
Lawyers arrive in court, head counsel for IBM opens briefcase, pulls out megaphone, points it at Boies, and says in Eric Cartman's voice "Would you like, to suck my balls, Mr. Boies?"
Hey! Do not taunt happy-fun-ball!
I don't remember where, but I swear at one point I heard Mel Brooks mention Spaceballs III: The Seach for Spaceballs II.
Uuuuuuhhhhhhh, apparently you did. All your TPS reports are using the wrong cover sheet. So I'll make sure you get a copy of the memo, Ok? Yeeaaaaah.
Not entirely true. I know several people I consider average users, and they had to ask where things went. I consider an average user someone who doesn't know they can change the desktop back to classic. I've yet to actually see one Windows XP machine running the classic desktop.
You know, I hear that argument quite a bit. But Windows 9x -> XP had a learning curve. Mac OS 9 -> Mac OS X had a learning curve. The same goes for applications. Every now and then the interface changes, and users learn how to use it. With OS, the vast majority just go with what's already installed when they buy it. Once Gnome and KDE are deemed useable enough to ship pre-installed on consumer PC lines by the likes of Dell, Sony, and HP, people will buy them as long as they can access all their files. They don't need to know that every widget will look the same. When people buy a new replacement computer, they say "Will I be able to view all my photos and listen to all my songs? Will I be able to access all my favorite web sites? Will I be able access my documents and spreadsheets?" If applications have full file compatibility, and the system mime types are set correctly, they won't care. They'll see right away that it's a little different, and they'll take the time to learn it, as long as the files open and the data is still correct.
Don't forget Sun (GNOME is set to be the default on Solaris, displacing CDE) and potentially UserLinux, depending on how successfull it is.
Don't underestimate the importance of a good kernel for the desktop. You need good multitasking support (low-latency context switching, an efficient scheduler, a good VM system) for the GUI environment to be responsive and zippy. You need a good infrastructure and API for device drivers to get the most out of your peripherals. People hate buying a fancy video card only to find that half the I/O ports aren't supported.
The Linux infidels are committing suicide at our gates. The entire world laughs at them.
Whatever. Red Hat, and now Fedora Core, has always given me everything I need, and I strongly prefer the config tools and menu layout on Red Hat to Debian's. So it doesn't really matter to me that much.
Unless I can still browse, I only really see this being usefull in companies where workstations are pre-configured to mount shared volumes at boot. The benefit being you won't need to set up Samba on your Unix machines, or pay for a license to put this on one Windows box and then share it to the rest of the Windows boxes.
I wish I had read this discussion earlier. I was under the impression IBM asked for which lines of UNIX code SCO claims were placed in the Linux kernel. Everyone here seems to be assuming IBM asked which lines of the Linux kernel are infirnging. That wouldn't do much good. With SCO saying which lines of UNIX where appropriated. IBM can then go thru their projects which SCO has been talking about (like the SMP stuff, JFS, etc). They can also check the Linux kernels SCO is saying are infringing for these lines of UNIX code.
Ah yes, Grocklaw has it and some explanations of how it might be fought. But until it is broken it is unlikely that we will get access to the actual evidence.
I was under the impression, thanks to a Groklaw article, that you can't claim both copyright/patent AND trade secret. You use copyrights and patents to guarantee that nobody is allowed to duplicate your work because you are distributing said work in a very non-discriminating manner. (Giving it to anyone who will pay, basically) Filing a patent on something puts documentation on how it works in the public domain. For trade secret protection, you can't disitribute it unless you are discriminating about who you distribute it to. You also don't get the guarantee that nobody can duplicate your work. For example, the recipe for Coke is a trade secret, and anyone is allowed to buy a can reverse engineer it, and mass-produce the same thing for profit. The Coca-cola company doesn't distribute the recipe to anyone.
The Groklaw piece I read talked about the USL v BSD trial, and how USL tried to claim trade secret at one point, but were unable to prove they had distributed the code in a discriminating fashion. It also came out that since the code had been disitributed so long ago, it wasn't even copyrightable, which is a large reason why USL and BSD settled the case.
The great thing about it, is that it was the Mythbusters on the Discovery channel who proved it. Their background is in special effects for hollywood movies!
But even if the maintainers of X on x86 also maintain the X packages on all other platforms, they could release packages for a particular platform in unstable as soon as it's ready. The x86 packages for X 4.3 have been in experimental for at least a few months. Why not put them in unstable. I'm not saying take effort away from supporting other platforms. I'm just saying release to packages to unstable for individual platforms as soon as they come available, rather than sitting on them until all platforms have been packaged.
I'm not primarily a debian user, so I'm not sure exactly how things are done. I'm just commenting based on what I've been able to glean from discussions about debian and my limited exposure to it.
where do you think i got my info from? ;) Those guys r0x0r!
Firing a bullet from a handgun thru the side/window of an airplane at 25k-30k feet will not cause explosive decompression. You have to pretty much set off a bomb that will blow a sizeable hole in the plane. And even then, if you have your seatbelt fastened you aren't likely to be sucked out. A similar situation actually happened on a flight at that altitude, but it was due to metal-fatigue, not foul-play. The only death was a flight attendent standing in the section immediately under the roof when it came off.
Now I need WiFi for on the road.
Just get a Centrino-certified laptop. According to the adds, I can get WiFi atop Everest with Centrino!
You originally said stop whining and be more productive. My response was to say that productivity has nothing to do with it. The salary is the determining factor. The fact that someone in another country can do the same job for cheaper due to a lower cost of living does not make them more productive. If they could do the job more productively, taking less time, and saving money as a side-effect, that would be different, but I have yet to hear of a single example where this was the case (at least in IT. I know automated manufacturing plants in Mexico took many automobile manufacturing jobs).
No wonder you have problem with your employment
exactly where did I complain about my personal job? Throughout all the problems facing our economy I've faced a total of 2 months of unemployment. I'm complaining about rich executives increasing the number of unemployed domestic workers to save a quick buck to improve their personal bank accounts. I don't care how you spin, I will never consider that good for the local economy.
I fail to see how having money sitting in investments helps create jobs for the unemployed. The only thing I see it doing is boosting the bankrolls of the already rich. I have no problem with rich people increasing their wealth. I just hate when rich people screw thousands of workers to improve their personal bottom line.
Historically your goverment and corporations of your country were stealing money directly or indirectly from those colonies, which are trying to develop their economies now. That's why today you still live better than people in those countries. Way much better. I guess it's time for you to pay back. It's shame for you to complain of changing your car to something cheaper while people in India a starving without food.
Exactly what stealing are you referring to? Is it something that happened in my generation? Since I've been able to exert any influence on my government? What exactly should I be paying back, and to whom? I'm a firm believer in everyone earning their own way thru life. Perhaps you have misunderstood some of my first response as directed animosity towards the foreign workers. My complaints are 100% against the people in my country removing the jobs from my local economy. And where did I mention having to buy a cheaper car? I know that my standard of living is higher than that held by millions. I've travelled quite extensively around the world. The U.S. dollar has been losing value for quite a while. Our national debt is skyrocketing. And all the while more and more people find themselves unemployed. This puts a greater burden on government welfare programs. Which should cause an increase in taxes, but instead our government is borrowing money, setting in place more economic hardship for future generations who have to pay it off.
What? Did I say when all the jobs come back to my country I'll stop being pissed off? Learn how to read. My statement, which you quoted, pretty much says when doors are open I'll stop being pissed off. I happen to think that more doors are open into my country than out, which you seem to acknowledge in the last statement of your post. Which is purely anecdotal. I lived in England for 8 years and Canada for 4, and intend to start my own business* in the caribbean, most likely Panama, where running hot water is something of a luxury. So keep your
Nobody takes your livehood from, but you. Get less lazy and more smart/effcient - and get better job.
The beancounters take the jobs away. There's no indication that I am any less productive than a programmer at an overseas company. The only difference is the overseas programmer can afford to do the same work (as in comparable productivity) for 1/10 the pay as I can.
I guess those few millions will be used back in the economy. What's wrong with that?
Nothing is wrong with injecting more cash into the economy, up to a certain level. But the people raking in millions a year like Carly Fiorina aren't spending that extra cash as it piles up. They're sitting on it. They're not using it to start new small companies to hire the millions of unemployed. They're not stimulating anything but they're bank accounts. And all that does is keep extra millions of dollars out of the economy. And it widens the economic gap. The American Middle Class (you know, the majority of the population that made the U.S. a global economic superpower) is withering away.
IMHO nothing wrong with [paying some overseas people] per se.
There is when it comes at the cost of domestic workers (and yes, I was against it when manufacturing jobs were being shipped off to Asia and South America, but I was just a child then).
So, in a long term developing countries develop faster using outsourced jobs. But guess what, they deveop faster a consumer market capable to buy more staff from US and Europe. So it is a good thing.
I advise you to stop complaining about outsourcing. It's a reality. Even without outsourcing a structure of a local job market changes drammatically every decade. If you won't adapt you will have more chances to complain about your livehood. Today you complain about outsourcing, Two decades ago about computers getting job from you. Four or five decades ago you would have complained about machibes and so on.
That's all fine and good. But I can't move to India and take advantage of the lower cost of living to work for those reduced wages. When workers of all nations have true freedom to live and work in whatever country they choose, then I'll stop being pissed off about the last few decades of foreign workers displacing domestic workers weakening my local economy and reducing my purchasing power.
I'm not trying to be stuck up or xenophobic or anything, but I believe it's wrong that people can move to my country and compete for the same jobs when I can't move to theirs.
see here.
i just don't believe that death is just punishment for auto theft. Whether it comes from my hands or the state's. And I know you can kill someone with a bat, it's harder to not kill someone with a gun than it is with a bat. Even if you're just shooting them in the arm or leg you have to be aware of the angle of entry of the bullet so it doesn't pass thru a vital organ or artery, and it takes better aim. but that's all beside the point.